Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html en-gb 30 Fri 30 Jan 2015 05:20:41 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html Darren http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=97#comment35 I think 2010 is proving to be the real social year - proving that its here to stay and the limits are endless.Personally I think the foundation for most new businesses from now on will need to have a fundamental element of web ‘social ability’ involved, whether it is a dedicated online social 'arm' or adapting its products to be more accessible to everyday people - social & localised is the way of the web! Tue 12 Oct 2010 15:40:49 GMT+1 danielz http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=94#comment34 Facebook is really a plea when used at work, i'm pretty sure it should be banned from all the companies. I don't know how people can stay focus when every minute they have a new notifications... Well, I know the answer : they can't. Thu 15 Apr 2010 07:46:31 GMT+1 Mr Crabs http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=91#comment33 > Are we not just, as a human race, becoming less efficient and wasting time by using social networks like Twitter and Facebook?Personally I just think everyone went OTT on social networks this year, especially on Facebook as you mentioned above. Facebook must have cost industry millions worldwide, more than sick days probably. I know of many companies that have banned it now. Mon 08 Mar 2010 17:19:23 GMT+1 HarryChattaway http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=88#comment32 What a year this has been for me as well, I've really embraced social media, I've on Gather, and I've got my own blog on Live Journal. It is hard work though, and I'm still not sure what benefit it has.Are we not just, as a human race, becoming less efficient and wasting time by using social networks like Twitter and Facebook? Or is it doing the opposite and allowing things to be sold more frequently, our time to be used more effectively and essentially increasing the amount of work we do and the stresses on life? Wed 24 Feb 2010 12:59:13 GMT+1 gucci2sale http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=86#comment31 This post has been Removed Mon 18 Jan 2010 02:13:16 GMT+1 inf2007 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=83#comment30 RE: September: Water or the webTechnolgy consumption will continue to push the prevalence of Social Networking. Organizations such as Kiva.org and OLPC (one laptop per child) will benefit by having social networking and global bandwidth availability. It will be the platform for new ways to impact people and to assist others anywhere in the world. A connected framework for people to share knowledge and interact will create a world of new opportunities. Many entrepreneurs are customizing social networks to respond to specific needs. Access to education, for example, will benefit 3rd world countries tremendously. Sites such as http://starfall.com, http://funbrain.com, http://LearningInfinity.com , http://KnowledgeInfinity.com , http://kidsknowit.com , http://pbskids.org or even Youtube etc will allow anyone to have access to educational tools. The next wave of innovation will provide even more value added service to anyone with a computer which they otherwise would have been denied. Sun 17 Jan 2010 05:17:46 GMT+1 Threlkeld http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=80#comment29 The really interesting thing about Ubuntu and other operating systems is the process which virtually forces users to buy a Microsoft operating system when they buy a PC. For a brief moment last year it was possible to get several Netbooks with a free non-Microsoft OS, but now they all have XP or W7 installed and we have to buy them. So Ubuntu users have to pay Microsoft. Why? What forces PC makers to bundle XP or W7? Why no EU anti-trust action to ensure free competition, when we have had such actions about (eg) browsers. Why no investigative journalists delving into the murky mechanisms behind this strange constraint on trade. Why can't I get a refund on a bundled OS I don't use - I might see some virtue in all that obsessive MS validation apparatus if I could get my XP validation key cancelled and receive a refund! Wed 30 Dec 2009 21:46:58 GMT+1 Hastings http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=77#comment28 I am not sure there should be more coverage of free software as such.Really, the technology blog should look at the issues that are most appropriate for the BBC core audience.That may include free and open source software or the issues around it, or it may not.In the same way that people complain here that the BBC seems to be promoting Twitter, it should not be seen to be promoting the Open Source side of the tech industry over any other part of it.Talking of which, I noticed a most blatant bit of product placement on a BBC trailer on the News Channel this week. Sadly, I cannot remember exactly what it was promoting, but the main character in the trailer sits down and picks up their Apple laptop, with a beautiful clear shot of the Apple Logo right in the middle of the screen.A few years ago this would have been breaking every rule in the book, to be honest. Now? Not sure - but I would say it is breaking the spirit of those rules. Mon 28 Dec 2009 23:36:08 GMT+1 _Ewan_ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=75#comment27 @ringsting-iom Despite also being one of the open source crowd I thought that the Spinvox story was a cracking piece of proper journalism, and it's one of the things the technology section needs more of - a critical look behind the gushing press releases to the real truth about whatever this week's next big thing is.That said, there really should be more free software coverage. While Rory's assertion that the amount of Ubuntu coverage was "a fair crack of the whip, in relation to its overall share of the operating system market" may be true for the specific case of Ubuntu, it's not really a sensible way of looking at things. Free software is more than just individual products like Ubuntu and Firefox that happen to have free licences, it's a movement that has a much bigger overall impact on most people's lives than (say) Apple does. The principle and politics of it are an interesting counter to the proprietary world's view of users and their (lack of) rights, and an organisation that has a commitment to educate and inform really ought to be talking about that more.Even if you ignore the politics as such, the practical implications of software freedom are to allow the construction of things that simply wouldn't have been possible with proprietary licencing; things like Google (which relies on lots and lots of machines, and on being able to modify the OS to suit their requirements), Amazon web services (now underpinning many of the web start-ups this blog does write about), and the LHC computing grid (vital to the work of the world's biggest science experiment). None of these things could have been created without free software, and Linux in particular, but that overall picture seems to be missed in a flurry of small and mostly inconsequential fluff. Mon 28 Dec 2009 14:41:10 GMT+1 Prof Dave W Dawson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=72#comment26 This post has been Removed Mon 28 Dec 2009 06:29:21 GMT+1 Prof Dave W Dawson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=69#comment25 This post has been Removed Mon 28 Dec 2009 06:28:32 GMT+1 U14275380 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=66#comment24 This post has been Removed Sun 27 Dec 2009 19:39:48 GMT+1 Pixelvision http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=63#comment23 The Spinvox story kept going and going. Seemingly almost to the point that everything Spinvox did was accompanied by a blog post here saying why it was the wrong thing to do. Sun 27 Dec 2009 17:10:15 GMT+1 U9746596 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=61#comment22 Have to admit the spinvox story was definitely one of the most uninteresting of the year and don't really understand why it got so much attention.I'm one of the crowd who would much rather have such stories replaced with ones exploring the wealth of open source technologies out there.. Sat 26 Dec 2009 06:21:37 GMT+1 U14179821 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=58#comment21 This post has been Removed Fri 25 Dec 2009 18:25:24 GMT+1 Hastings http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=55#comment20 EwanI remember when Lineone was launched in The Times back in 1997. My partner was one of the moderators for the service's chat system.The community was made up of non-technical internet "users" who wanted e-commerce, chatting, blogging (still called web logging then), social networking, and so on and so forth.They did not know how the internet worked, who invented it and quite frankly (and quite rightly) did not care. They had no intention or interest of being an active part of some sort of revolution in technology; they were simply consumers and the internet was the way the got to consume.And if it was shiny and had more bells and whistles, and preferably took less buttons to get it to start and work, then it was that much more popular.Just like now, in fact.Very techy friends of mine were critical of services like Lineone, AOL and then Freeserve with their non-technical approach to internet customers. They were very critical of the users too, saying that if people could not be bothered to learn they had no right to use the internet.And of course, those wonderful, non-technical users were outnumbering my techy friends within weeks. Thu 24 Dec 2009 17:30:16 GMT+1 _Ewan_ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=52#comment19 The web may be in far more homes now than back then, but it is culturally identical and the issues exactly the same.I really can't agree with that. The culture has shifted hugely from a more anarchic self-supporting community feel to a much more hierarchical producer->consumer relationship. There seem to be a lot of newer users that think that the internet is something 'out there' that they look at, not something that they join and become a part of. When the old community wanted to do something they would define a protocol and get on with it; the new community volunteers themselves to be locked up in whatever walled garden offers them the shiniest baubles. Thu 24 Dec 2009 13:59:41 GMT+1 Hastings http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=50#comment18 To be honest, this is no different from any other year since the Internet became popular - just involved more people and different companies. So, lets go back not one year, but more than ten.....I remember chatting on WBS in the mid 1990s. 1.5 million members, we used to chat, create our own websites, blog, share images and so on. Many also had Geocities sites (that shut this year) where they ran everything from personal blogs to fan sites. Some search engines, controversially, started talking about including these pages in their searches.... (guess which one did?)We were using ICQ like crazy for instant messaging and those who had early DSL (not in the UK!) were using voice chat. People liked the multi-window of ICQ allowing for multiple chats and conferencing. MUDS were the online games (though limited appeal).File sharing was common (via ICQ and other ways) and was criticised by many. Copyright issue was a common argument with many arguing that the internet was a different world and normal law should not apply ... to anything! Some of those same voices were also shoving malware into the files to take advantage of low OS security.There was a myth that Porn was paying for the internet and was therefore a necessary evil.There was a growing worry about child pornography, but the ISPs became angry at the idea that they should check their users personal web pages, even those held on the ISP servers, or block the usenet groups used by paedophiles - they said it was not their job to police the internet .... familiar argument?We were rapidly learning about privacy back then and the realisation that if you put it up on the web, someone else may find it. Infoseek was one of the main search engines of choice, Google was still stuck at Stanford.Web pages used Gif animation and Java Applets rather than Flash, and audio was often in the form of midi files as audio files were a bit big! But what people were doing and talking about back in 1995 on the web was exactly the same as now, just with a few less bells and whistles. The web may be in far more homes now than back then, but it is culturally identical and the issues exactly the same.It has been an arrogance of the industry that they have changed the way humans communicate and have somehow created a brave new world. They haven't - human beings still communicate in exactly the same way as they have for millennia, using sound and sight. If anything, the internet is only just catching up with the idea that what it offers is a very incomplete version of communication compared to how human beings communicate when physically facing each other. And the conversation has not changed either. People still like talking rubbish over the fence with their neighbours, so much so that the biggest money making opportunity is being regarded as trying to emulate that real life situation as closely as possible - that is what Facebook is, just a simulation of a idea that is thousands of years old.I am reminded of the lyric "Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss," from the Who song "Won't be fooled again."Except we are - time and again. Thu 24 Dec 2009 09:51:03 GMT+1 PeterJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=47#comment17 This is the first time I have looked at this blog and was surprised at just how narrow a view of technology it appears to present. Technology is about the comercial application of science and engineering, and is not limited to information technology alone as the blog would suggest. Thu 24 Dec 2009 09:34:05 GMT+1 linlin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=44#comment16 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 07:29:27 GMT+1 The Biased Broadcasting Company http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=41#comment15 This post has been Removed Thu 24 Dec 2009 00:20:19 GMT+1 The Biased Broadcasting Company http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=38#comment14 This post has been Removed Wed 23 Dec 2009 23:52:31 GMT+1 The Biased Broadcasting Company http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=36#comment13 This post has been Removed Wed 23 Dec 2009 23:16:47 GMT+1 jr4412 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=33#comment12 Rory Cellan-Jones."..getting to play with new operating systems."from your lack of feedback on your Ubuntu experience I read this to mean that you've been too busy to "play". shame. Wed 23 Dec 2009 21:24:20 GMT+1 U14179821 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=30#comment11 This post has been Removed Wed 23 Dec 2009 20:00:54 GMT+1 Sarah http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=27#comment10 Oh, it's called systemic bias by the way, Wikipedia has a good article on it:http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Systemic_bias Wed 23 Dec 2009 19:04:46 GMT+1 U14179821 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=25#comment9 This post has been Removed Wed 23 Dec 2009 19:03:05 GMT+1 Sarah http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=22#comment8 Why apple's software gets more coverage than other minority operating systems, the answer is in plain sight really:Macs are most commonly used by people not comfortable with "hard" technology: like journalists and PR people, in fact most of the kind of professions you get in the BBC!Apple is simply in their minds more often, it's what they use, it's what their friends use.Though proportionally it doesn't have anywhere near as the market share, you would never know from the BBC's constant free advertising for them, I agree... Wed 23 Dec 2009 19:02:20 GMT+1 U14179821 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=19#comment7 This post has been Removed Wed 23 Dec 2009 18:53:46 GMT+1 badger_fruit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=16#comment6 By the time rory does his more thorough breakdown of Ubuntu 9.10, what's the betting 10.4 will be out?!One would also hope that Rory spends at least 1 month with the alternative OS, you can't learn to drive for the first time in 1 day, so I hope he doesn't expect to learn a whole new OS and way of doing things in anything silly as 1 day. Now, I know your blog is more of a personal thing so you can say what you like about it but if you're going to do that, at least get the tech correspondants writing about the new releases on the main tech pages to balance it out and give us linux fans something other than facebook/twitter/spinvox/microsoft and apple stuff thank you.All the best to one and all, peace on earth and goodwill to all mankind ... not that that will happen while us humans:1. scrabble around trying to make mountains out of paper (money) so we can claim to be "so rich it hurts" - afterall, can't take it with you when you're gone!2. believe there is a god3. think we have the devine right to kill each other and pretty much any other species we feel like in the name of "fun".Anyway, here's to the future - hope that one day mankind will stop cutting out the lungs of this fragile planet (the rainforests).Regards Wed 23 Dec 2009 17:09:37 GMT+1 allabouttowler http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=13#comment5 Eugh, I'd like to apologise for some rather dodgy spelling and punctuation in my previous post... Like anyone cares! Wed 23 Dec 2009 15:37:03 GMT+1 allabouttowler http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=11#comment4 C'mon Rory... You got the hump when the Ubuntu/Linux community failed to be incredibly grateful for you're frankly rather (granted unintentionally) dismissive article didn't you...It's fair enough, Linux isn't a majority sport yet - but i'd be prepared to wager it's market share isn't sufficiantly smaller than Apple's to justify the enormous slant in your coverage.And given the reaction your post saw I'm somewhat astounded that your more through review of Karmic Koala took quite so long to get round to... Is the single most debated topic you've ever blogged on really of secondary importance to the ridiculous spinvox story?Anyway, Merry Christmas to all - regardless of your OS! Wed 23 Dec 2009 15:32:24 GMT+1 AlexGraham http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=8#comment3 You might want to add in the little bit of news that Google announced it was entering the Desktop OS market with Chrome OS in 2010.As for using Linux for a whole day, the "name me another mainstream media outlet which gave it more prominent coverage this year" comment muddies the water. You write for a technology audience, and as I work in an IT environment I know that more of my colleagues who are more likely to read your articles run Linux. According to W3Schools stats from there site (http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp) Linux and Mac use is increasing among the more IT literate (an assumption based on W3Schools target audience), therefore its your responsibility to represent this non-Windows based viewpoint and at the very least know what your talking about and there is no way you can do with only 1 days use of Linux.The fact that other main-stream media outlets may not represent Linux properly is not a benchmark you should be using as it's assuming that other outlets are doing there jobs properly.On a related issue regarding Windows usage, I'm sure you're aware of the Operating System usage of visitors for the BBC website. There is a core problem as many people at work (including me) have to use Windows and therefore your stats are potentially skewed to a significant degree. So in truth you can't know really that if someone only accesses the BBC website during the day at work whether they would ordinarily be interested in more Linux, Mac or Windows based news items.Thats just my 5 cents.. Wed 23 Dec 2009 13:40:41 GMT+1 Pixelvision http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=5#comment2 I think technology that involves social issues are always going to be perceived as bigger than other technology because by definition, it involves a lot of people. But the way I see it is there's more important stuff going on behind the scenes. The actual technology enabling this to happen.In 2010 (and beyond!), when it comes to people dealing with technology, I'd like to hear more "how does it do that?" instead of "look what it's doing". Wed 23 Dec 2009 12:45:04 GMT+1 Andrew Jones http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=2#comment1 Nice round-up of the year.Looking forward to hearing about your Ubuntu experience. However, I am not sure that you (or other media outlets) do give Ubuntu/Linux fair coverage, compared with the coverage you give Apple despite their overall share of the market. Wed 23 Dec 2009 12:11:25 GMT+1 mpkisr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/12/2009_the_social_year.html?page=0#comment0 The section on Google Earth above reminded me of the absolute GENIUS who painted an enormous willy on the roof of his parents' house, which was there for a year (!) before Google spotted it. Anyone remember that? It has to be one of the best light-hearted stories of the year. Wed 23 Dec 2009 11:49:02 GMT+1