Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html en-gb 30 Mon 28 Jul 2014 09:36:52 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html Virtual_Doctor http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=96#comment24 I was right with what i said, but the wrong way round :)Web Exlorer, over the internet.... Wed 21 Oct 2009 12:36:17 GMT+1 300_thracians http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=92#comment23 Quote: "So technically IE should have been called 'Internet Explorer, over the web' and how do you expect to fit that text in a desktop shortcut :)"... Hmmmmm... Not exactly. The Web is a service that runs on top of the Internet, TCP/IP to be more specific. The Web is a collection of hypertext documents described in HTML and transported through HTTP. HTTP is just one of the many application layer protocols that run over the Internet. A browser is nothing more an HTTP client and an HTML rendering engine. That's why the name Internet Explorer is misleading. The name IE suggests that the program can explore the Internet. What is the definition of exploring the Internet? Maybe it's defined as the ability to look into IP packets, or act as a router? They are called Web Browsers for a reason, because that's what they do, they browse the WWWW and not the Internet. Wed 21 Oct 2009 09:30:59 GMT+1 chocaholicbuzz http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=88#comment22 The new search engine that everyone is talking about is Qlixter. Amazing technology with fantastic new features that surpass what Google gives you. Mon 19 Oct 2009 00:48:37 GMT+1 Virtual_Doctor http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=84#comment21 "PS: Why do people refer to the Web as the Internet, I do not understand. IE should have been called Web Explorer (WE)."The internet is all of the interconnected computers / servers worldwide - the web is basically like a service that 'uses' or runs across the 'internet'.So technically IE should have been called 'Internet Explorer, over the web' and how do you expect to fit that text in a desktop shortcut :) Wed 14 Oct 2009 16:12:36 GMT+1 300_thracians http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=80#comment20 Continuing with the car analogy and highlighting some of the differences between driving a car and using the Web, for me the main difference between the two is that someone wouldn't even contemplate driving without proper training, but most of the Web users have never been taught how to use computers. We just assume that most of the computer users today are capable of using their computers. IMO, the reality is very different, most users do not know how to use a browser or an office suite. A very simple example is the address bar in the browser, most people i know don't type addresses anymore but instead they write the address into the search bar(?). My gf and my parents do it as well, and those are people with university degrees. In a way I can understand why firefox coolbar and chrome address/search bar are basically the address and search bar morphed into one, it's all about usability. Anyway, my point is, there is nothing wrong with having a tutorial video. Most of the "normal" users should watch it!!! On the subject of Chrome, it is a great browser. I have tried it, it's not my first choice but I'd prefer it over IE any day. Some of my "normal" computer user friends have it installed as part of other Google applications and when I have to use their computers I always end up using Chrome instead of IE. PS: Why do people refer to the Web as the Internet, I do not understand. IE should have been called Web Explorer (WE). Tue 13 Oct 2009 14:53:16 GMT+1 siliconglen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=76#comment19 I was getting asked to explain Web2.0 to someone and that's a lot harder to pin down than "what is a browser". So if you want to know what Web2.0 is hopefully you will be able to point people at http://www.siliconglen.com/news/2009/10/web20-defintion.html and we might get a bit of consensus. Sun 11 Oct 2009 22:52:33 GMT+1 PhilT http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=72#comment18 "why would anyoe need to know what an engine or windshield are called in order to be able to drive a car"a friend of mine discovered last week why you need to know what the engine is called and how to look after it - her engine seized at speed on a dual carriageway as she hadn't put any oil in it for months. Fortunately there wasn't a 44 tonner on her tail and there was a place to coast off the carriageway. Sun 11 Oct 2009 10:47:50 GMT+1 steve smith http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=68#comment17 Even some of those who 'should know' don't know. I visited one of the mobile operator stores in Guildford, UK, last week and asked what was the browser on a particular phone. 'Google' came the answer. Fri 09 Oct 2009 16:06:28 GMT+1 1950 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=64#comment16 IE is dreadful, but they are slowly catching up to the standards when rendering code. It would make life so much easier if all these browsers were compliant to the same rules.I use Firefox but Opera and Safari are great too. Haven't really warmed up to Chrome yet. Fri 09 Oct 2009 15:36:17 GMT+1 Virtual_Doctor http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=60#comment15 Hive-MindWhy would anybody other people who are interested or work in the trade need to have any knowlege of how the internet functions??I drive my car to work and back every day, i know it's got an engine, but i haven't got the faintest clue how it works and neither do i want to know. If someone tried to explain mechanics to me I'd drift off and wouldn't listen anyway.As long as people understand the 'Highway Code' of computing on the internet, leave them to happily click 'Internet' and 'Facebook'. Ingnorance is bliss.... Fri 09 Oct 2009 12:59:57 GMT+1 U9746596 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=56#comment14 @13I have to disagree, most people don't know what internet explorer is, the simply just click on start and then internet, they don't necessarily know what the name of the software actually is. I have had so many blank faces when I ask people if they use internet explorer.Also there is huge amounts of money to be made in the browser wars. People use defaults and so the default search engine makes a fortune for microsoft and google. Google pays mozilla millions for search referals from firefox. Thu 08 Oct 2009 23:30:40 GMT+1 Michael http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=52#comment13 @13 Knowledge about a system almost every person uses in some way (even if indirectly) every day is not a bad thing. The internet and it's associated technologies have quite literally changed the world just as much as, say, the invention of the internal combustion engine.The need for learning about this sort of stuff is partly due to respect for the incredible amounts of hard work put into making our lives as nice as possible, and partly due to necessity. Much like how we learn history or science at school - it is because having general knowledge about our world is very important. People should not look at the internet as a kind of magic, but instead look at it and see the incredible machinery behind it, even if it is only a tiny dip into a horribly deep pool of complexity - at the very least it is interesting, but hopefully to some it will be inspirational.The internet and computational systems in general are the tools that will undoubtedly shape our future in a massive way, to be almost completely ignorant of their operation is not a good thing.As for browser wars, yes they are non-profit (Firefox, one of the most popular, even being run by a community where anyone can contribute, not a company) but this makes it no more important. It's called competition, if we didn't have browser wars (or format wars or standard wars or...) we would be stuck with a terrible internet, slow and clunky, a decadent browser and standards system and probably a very expensive dial-up bill. Thu 08 Oct 2009 22:56:16 GMT+1 hackerjack http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=48#comment12 It does seem worrying, when people don't know what a browser is. Similarly, however, it also seems a lot of people don't know what an Operating System is, either, which would be similar to driving a car and not knowing what an engine is.Or, in the case of a Browser, not knowing what the windscreen is.--------dont be stupid. Anyone who uses the interent knows what a browser actually is, its just they do not know what it is called. Ask them about internet explorer, safari or firefox and 90% of net users will recognise one or the other, the generic tem browser just does not register. Similarly more people know what Google (as a verb) means than the phrase search engine.As for your exmple, why would anyoe need to know what an engine or windshield are called in order to be able to drive a car?The whole browser war thing i stupid nonsense anyway, no-one earns any money from any of them so why do they bother other than to inflate their own egos? Thu 08 Oct 2009 09:17:38 GMT+1 keithfusco http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=44#comment11 IE8 for Windows and Safari for MAC.That is all you need, IMO. Thu 08 Oct 2009 09:09:38 GMT+1 cjb1101 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=40#comment10 It does seem worrying, when people don't know what a browser is. Similarly, however, it also seems a lot of people don't know what an Operating System is, either, which would be similar to driving a car and not knowing what an engine is.Or, in the case of a Browser, not knowing what the windscreen is. Thu 08 Oct 2009 07:59:44 GMT+1 Aidy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=36#comment9 "What's a browser?" It's actually a very good question as I spend a lot of time on the internet and I still don't know the answer. I know that something called "FireFox" is a cure for cancer and something called "IE" is what killed Jesus and that most people seem to use "Uneducated Propaganda" to surf the net. Wed 07 Oct 2009 23:53:39 GMT+1 U9746596 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=32#comment8 I was thinking about the comparison between the browsers the other day. I have IE8 on my machine (only because I use Chinese internet and that doesn't function properly in any other browser) and so I have to use it every day. If you put Chrome up against IE the difference is almost laughable, it makes you wonder why anyone even uses that hunk of tripe. Yet Chrome is still only pulling a tiny percent of users, and many of those transferred from firefox.I guess as Chrome develops it will start to pull more and more firefox users which will be a shame as firefox in itself is still much much better than ie.The key is education and the fact is that although more people are using the internet still not many of them actually know what it is, as long as they can get facebook and the news they are happy. While ms is shipping ie with windows it is still going to be the dominant browser no matter how horrible it is to use. Wed 07 Oct 2009 23:20:51 GMT+1 Pixelvision http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=28#comment7 I'd expect something a lot more... technical from a technology blog. Come on, where's the real technology news? Google trying to educate users isn't something special. There's no deep significance that needs to be unearthed to understand Google's motives. People are ignorant one way or another and it's more of a social issue than a technology issue. This blog post reads as if it should be titled "what I read on Google today". Wed 07 Oct 2009 19:25:59 GMT+1 ravenmorpheus2k http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=24#comment6 I don't find it surprising that so few people know what a web browser or search engine is, or at least can distinguish between the two.I maintain the point of view that there are too many "noobs" out there who would do well to learn something about what they are using before they set out to use it, we have a driving licence, why not a computer licence?Oh btw just for those who don't know here is Wikipedias definition of a web browser - A web browser is a software application for retrieving, presenting, and traversing information resources on the World Wide Web.Pretty self explanatory if you ask me, but then I was asked what is a web browser, not what is google chrome, which would probably have been the more relevant question to this unscientific study... Wed 07 Oct 2009 19:24:48 GMT+1 Marc http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=20#comment5 I noticed when I browse Google's home page in Internet Explorer I am shown a link offering me the opportunity to download Chrome, but I don't get this when I use Firefox. Is this just me I wonder? Wed 07 Oct 2009 15:17:44 GMT+1 hackerjack http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=16#comment4 Most people probably dont know what a browser is, they dont need to know. Their computer comes with one or anothr and they just click on it to get to the internet.If Google had bothered to ask the same people who said no if thy know what "internet explorer" was they would likely get a much larger response of yes because that is what it is labelled. Wed 07 Oct 2009 14:42:25 GMT+1 Greg Tyler http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=12#comment3 It's got to be asked how the interviews were conducted in June but the video was uploaded in April? Wed 07 Oct 2009 14:24:22 GMT+1 nkkingston http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=8#comment2 I know enough people who work in electronics shop or on tech helplines to be completely unsurprised by this. People frequently ask to buy Google or "The Internet", and are flummoxed by the fact it's a monthly payment ("I don't want to rent it, I want to buy it"). The number of people who think "wireless" and "a normal keyboard/modem/mouse with the cable cut off with a pair of kitchen scissors" are interchangeable is impressive. Wed 07 Oct 2009 14:10:25 GMT+1 Douglas Daniel http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=4#comment1 Wow, if all you need to do to be a BBC technology journalist is reword posts from the Official Google Blog, I could do it in my lunch break.Seriously, what exactly is the point of this blog post? Where's the scope for discussion? Where is the insight? This might as well have read "Google have posted something on their blog. Go and read it." Wed 07 Oct 2009 13:54:30 GMT+1 AlexGraham http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/10/what_is_a_web_browser.html?page=0#comment0 Haha. You can tell Google have fallen out with Microsoft and Apple. Both companies browsers are last on its list of available browsers (http://www.whatbrowser.org/browser/). Not a bad little site though, question is when will they really start pushing Chrome via its main pages, instead of the little 'try Google Chrome' messages currently Wed 07 Oct 2009 12:11:34 GMT+1