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Sooo, whos gonna win it? Federer v. Nadal

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Rafa is ALWAYS favourite in a clay final, but only one man has beaten him on the red dirt in 3 years, and he'll be standing on the other side.

Rafa has his first proper match tomorrow against a resurgent GOAT. I go for Nadal, but not by as much as would have been thought a week ago.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

I think it would be absolutely fascinating if Federer won, it would just set the flame of the game wild red!
Having said that, clay has always appeared a mysterious surface to me, like some enemy of tennis, like a beast you have to conquer...

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comment by Reredef (U9395790)

posted Apr 26, 2008

Nadal of course. I don't even think Federer will be that bothered about losing. I think he'll be happy to have gotten to the final so he can get some practice in against Nadal and prepare for the tournament he's really interested in winning: RG

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comment by Turron (U9436598)

posted Apr 26, 2008

I want a real fight which brings people out of their seats at the level of tennis being played.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Federer will be bothered. The determination is back.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

A resurgent GOAT? I've been thinking about it for a while...is it cos Federer is hard-headed? I don't get it...fill me in!

More to the point, Nadal must still be considered the overwhelming favourite. If Nadal has a bad day Federer has a chance. However, i'd be more interested to see how well (or not) Federer can keep up if Nadal has a good day.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

I find it hard to imagine Rafa losing but I really want Fed shock me. This would be far more of a boost for RG than Hamburg was last year, as Hamburg doesn't hold the same importance despite being a Masters Series event. Claiming the title in Monte Carlo is far more of an achievement, and if Fed wins he'll do so knowing that he's beaten a Nadal desperate to win, rather than one perhaps conserving his energy.

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comment by Reredef (U9395790)

posted Apr 26, 2008

"A resurgent GOAT? I've been thinking about it for a while...is it cos Federer is hard-headed? I don't get it...fill me in!"

laugh
Here's a hint G.O.A.T

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comment by WUSCHLI (U9634124)

posted Apr 26, 2008

What a massive game this final will be! I think it would be great to see Federer coming back to his normal form and to see a tight game tomorrow. Especially after Federer suffered so much in the last few weeks and a lot of you guys already wrote him off.

I don't really care who will win the final, but it would be good for Federer to get some self-belief back for Roland Garros, as I still believe he is able to catch a win at the French Open!

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Nadal has the edge. I myself like clay the least of all the surfaces but watching Nadal the slowness of the court really helps his game more than any of the other players. He hasn't had to work too hard this week so he will be much fresher. But well done to Federer for beating Fat Dave on clay.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

...having spent 5 more minutes of thinking on it...i think i need more hints!

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comment by Reredef (U9395790)

posted Apr 26, 2008

G. of all T.

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posted Apr 26, 2008


It is going to be a good match but Nadal will win. Federer and Nadal are a close match with the edge to Nadal when they are on equal terms. But Federer has been sick and is still coming off it. Glandular fever is not a joke. At this level in tennis even one micro second makes a difference. I am a Fed fan but I believe Nadal will win.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Right, Goat is greatest of all time. Thank God for LL Cool J's album (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.O.A.T.) or i don't think i would have got it.

Back to the point. What i think should be worrying for Federer is the ease with which Nadal dispatched Davydenko. I mean Davy is not exactly a soft cookie...

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posted Apr 26, 2008

"If Nadal has a bad day Federer has a chance". laugh. Remind me who has bagelled whom on clay, between the two?

Nadal has always been Federer's for the taking. The problem is psychological. We will see the usual boxer's dance at the net on the red dirt which is the closest thing in tennis to the grit of the Colosseum, as Nadal implies violence should Fed win.

It's the nastiest build-up in tennis, but if Fed is unphased there can be no excuses from his opponent for a loss in the season's first Masters on the surface on which Rafa has staked his entire reputation.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Fed is now match-hardened after beating Nalbandian and Djokovic who have both beaten Nadal last year. Obviously not on clay but on the evidence of his last 3 matches here,Federer does seem to be moving much better on the clay surface and he is not giving away too many free points.
I think he has a chance as he knows exactly how Nadal will play,whereas Nadal may find a different Federer on this surface.
If Fed upsets the odds,people will begin to wonder how much of it is down to his new clay court coach,Higueras.

stenhammer

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posted Apr 26, 2008

"I mean Davy is not exactly a soft cookie..."

Rog managed to cripple him in their last match winkeye

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posted Apr 26, 2008

i hope nadal wins, to carry on the so called downfall of smug fed. bbc take note nadal beat davy 6-3 6-2, not the 6-0 6-2 false information on the story, did any of the bbc staff watch it?

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posted Apr 26, 2008

It says 6-3 6-2 on the article...so where's the mistake? And why is Federer smug?

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Federer was in magical form today, really taught Djokovic a lesson. Especially in that first game when Roger crunched a backhand cross-court leaving the Serb to watch the ball sail past him. Djokovic played well in the opener, so let's not take anything away from the Swiss Master as he really looked confident and calm today.

It has to be said how brilliantly Federer has turned things around after his second round troubles against Hidalgo. Well done Roger.

In the final I feel Federer needs to get the opening set to worry Nadal. Both players are hitting top form meaning this final really has all the ingredients to be a classic.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Yes, Fed has a very very narrow escape from that Hidalgo something with 1-1 and 1-5 down but has gone from strength to strength. Last night's successful tussle with Nalbandian probably did the trick.
As for Nadal, Ferrer we playing some brilliant stuff in set 1 until he suddenly lost the 11th game. Then there was nothing.
Davydenko was much more straight forward for Nadal.
I hope Fed wins tomorrow and comfortably to show that he can beat Nadal on dirt and also to show that he does need a coach. Higueras was very tense in the 1st set - his face was a grimace and he much have bitten through his lips every time Fed made an error though they were few.
If Fed starts beating Nadal, Higueras will be the most sought after and highest paid coach hereafter.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Win or lose tomorrow Fed should be proud of what he has done this week. I certainly never thought he would get to the final. That victory over Nalby did it for me. I think he has a chance against Nadal but I reckon Nadal will win. Still it will be good for both of them to play each other. I really hope Fed gets pumped up so we can watch some good tennis.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Nadal is red hot favourite tomorrow but I think Fed will be ultra geared up for the final for a number of reasons:

1) It's important for him to score as many psychological brownie points against Rafa before the FO as possible - so if it does boil down to a match between the two at the French, Fed may have the self-belief to perhaps go one-step further in the one that he most desires. Moreover, if Fed is finally able to get Rafa's number on clay (in addition to Hamburg last year), it'll give him an insurmountable level of confidence, of the kind that I believe shall be unrivalled, even if he doesn't even have to face Rafa at the French.

2) Following Fed's illness and recent lack of form, Fed has a much greater incentive than normal to prove his critics wrong and showcase a win in a big masters series tournament like Monte Carlo - coming back from the brink of defeat against Hidalgo and then going on to beat the best along the way will only make a win here that extra bit sweeter. It will also diminish any qualms that were made about him prior to this point - in fact, even if he loses tomorrow, it will still appear as though some degree of order has been restored, as he usually loses to Rafa in the big clay-court finals even when he has been in good form leading up to them!

Regardless, I hope he gets his own back on Rafa - perhaps he's due now smiley

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posted Apr 26, 2008

We all know that if there is one player in the world who can beat Rafa on clay that it is Roger.

Roger had match points in the historic Rome finals.

Then Roger broke Rafa's match streak of 81 wins on clay. Roger did what no one else could do the previous 81 times.

Now Rafa has won some 96 out of 97 matches on clay. That only loss is to Roger. Roger did what no one else could do 96 other times.

He has taken sets off Rafa at Roland Garrows and other tournaments, that others could not do.h

Roger can win by doing the following:

Attack Rafa's back hand relentlessly and put way into the open forehand court.

Return Rafa's most second serves by staying and attack some from inside the baseline on critical points.

Not come to the net too often, but mix it up on important points.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Federer has shown today that he is on a role and that is to make his claycourt game his main priority!

Federer has broken many records on grass and hard but hasn't on clay.

I feel he now wants to be known as the player who conquered all surfaces and not only the longest time at number one and most grandslam titles.

If he beats Nadal tomorrow which he will most probably do then we will have a very interesting Roland Garros final.To beat Nadal tomorrow he will have to attack and all ways be on the offensive because otherwise it's Nadals type of game thats going to be played.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Federer has more to prove. He's always been considered a bit of a choker in clay court matches with Nadal, even when he beat him there were excuses made in Nadal's favour about fatigue and the number of sets. And now Federer's being taken for granted even more than usual, since he's 'only' won one tournament this year and it was 'only' because Davydenko pulled out while Federer was already a set in front. I think Federer has the motivation to pull this one off, myself. But Nadal is still favourite, and rightly so. No titles for him this season, either.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

The influence of his new coach is very clear, he do not try to take the ball so early on his back hand any more, he is more patient and wait for his chances, he use the moon ball more than befor, and it pays dividend. I think Nadal will meat a whole different player tomorrow!!

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posted Apr 26, 2008

BulletMonkey makes a fair point about Nadal, which hasn't really been discussed; Nadal hasn't won any titles yet this year. Will this make him extra pumped for tomorrow? Or will it add some jitters that Fed can exploit?

In response to my own question, I don't think these factors play heavily on the players' minds; once they hit the court they're far too pumped to make such philosophical considerations.

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comment by Kenzo (U1650852)

posted Apr 26, 2008

Obviously, Rafa Nadal is still the clay king, and he owns this surface almost, but maybe Roger Federer has made that important move with the new coach, and improved the fact he could already play on clay, to tweaking it and improving the tactics and techniques with a reknowned Clay court coach. Who knows, Federer has suddenly shown some of his old magic against the form players in Nalbandian and Djokovic, its astonishing how he's turned things around from the Hidalgo match, where he showed champion quality from being in the doldrums with his form. Federer still has every chance to beat Nadal, if he could do it in Hamburg, and he's suddenly found his form at just the right time, its down to him to execute it, he's almost one of the only ones on Clay who can topple Nadal.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

This must be a joke "thing Federer has going for him is that Nadal has had a cakewalk, while Federer is match tough."

If anybody has been fortunate is Fed. I mean, last week he won in Portugal when Davidenko retired due to injure and today the joker does the same and gives the match to Fed.
Nothing brilliant at all.
Nadal beat Ferrer yesterday and that is not a simple task. Fed is the one who has been blessed with so many freebies. I cant remember Borg, Connor, McEnroe ever having so many free matches. Yet you guys are saying that Fed is on top form. HE hehe he! Dream on!
Tomorrow Nadal 6-2, 6-3

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comment by Kenzo (U1650852)

posted Apr 26, 2008

Federer can do it, if he's learned all the previous lessons of playing Nadal on Clay - he's had enough goes at it, he needs to learn from past mistakes, of which he made quite a few in all those French Open/Masters series finals.

I'd like him to beat Nadal tomorrow, it will be a long time coming for him.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

I think if there us a time when Roger can beat Nadal on clay then its now. I've never seen him play so well on this surface. Nadal hasnt played his best this week so I think Roger has got a great chance to lift this title.

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comment by jamie (U8591610)

posted Apr 26, 2008

does anyone know what time the final is tomorrow? i think nadal will win but i expect it to be a close one!

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Nadal in SS.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Not yet... Federer is close... but it is not his time yet

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posted Apr 26, 2008

No, it won't be close. Not just in SS, Nadal will dominate in SS.

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comment by Steve (U9429468)

posted Apr 26, 2008

Certainly going to be interesting. Clay definitely suits Nadals style of aggressive fast paced back of court slogging. Federer is much more of a technical player and is undoubtedly technically the best tennis player in the world. He just needs to adapt to the speed of clay and be far more aggressive with that accurate forhand he has.

If he can force nadal to play backhands i can see Federer winning although only by maybe a small margin. If however he doesnt do that i think Nadal will win pretty comfortably.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

francotirado:

You exaggerate in your anxiety to prove your point. Federer was a set ahead in a 3 set match against both Davidenko and now Djokovic,but you imply he only won because they retired. Your argument only holds water if both these players retired when they were AHEAD.
As for your score forecast in the final,that Nadal will win with the loss of only 5 games,the odds are that you will end up with egg on your face tomorrow.Nadal was gifted the 2nd set when Ferrer was serving for it at 40-0. He virtually donated it and Nadal got through the only tough match in the whole draw,which was kind to him. Lucky for him that Nalbandian (who beat Nadal the last 2 times they played,and Djokovic,who beat him this year)were both in Fed's half.

stenhammer

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posted Apr 26, 2008

djokovic really annoys me, to quit like that because he was 'dizzy' is ridiculous! A true winner would carry on playing until they physically cant walk anymore. Nadal or Federer would NEVER have done that! He's just a bad loser thats all. Well done to Fed btw, he really taught him a lesson today and showed now he's fully over his illness and training 100% he is still the man to beat. Gna be very interesting 2mo against Nadal.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Anyone who calls himself "Nadal 11" cannot be trusted to give an objective comment on tomorrow's final and be expected to be taken seriously.

stenhammer

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Dear stenhammer:

Rafael Nadal for Roland Garros (French Open) 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 to 2019. That will be a total of 15 Roland Garros (French Open) titles for Rafael Nadal (at least).

Regards,

RafaelNadal11

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Rafa is also playing in the doubles final with Tommy Robredo! How sensible is that? If he keeps going like this with 4 tournaments in 4 weeks he's going to be shattered by Roland Garros so that may be interesting.
As for Federer tomorrow, I predict Nadal in 2 tight sets.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha good one

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posted Apr 26, 2008

I can't see Fed beating Rafa but hope he proves me wrong.

If Rafa wins , he will probably go on to win @ RG next month. However, if FED wins at Monte Carlo, this will put the cat amongst the pigeons and open up RG big time.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Rafa said after the 1/2 final that he feels better and better on this surface. He might just be right which means troubles for Federer. For the rest even his current form suffice smiley

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posted Apr 26, 2008

should nadal have missed the entire clay season because of some injury he would have lost 2500 points and dropped to the 5th place in the rankings. Somehow his true place if you consider the whole season on all surfaces.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

I love Fed-Nadal matchups. I really didn't think Fed was going to make it there, which would have been a shame as Sunday is the only day I'm going to be able to watch this tourney! Nice weekend present. smiley

Nadal has to be strong favourite, but it should be intriguing.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Still have to favor Nadal, with Federer only back on form for a couple of matches.

Regarding some of the comments on strategy here on 606, in this tournament Federer has stood further back on both his second serve returns and on many back hands (possibly Higueras?).

Some said here Fed should attack Nadal's backhand; actually, in Federer's sole victory against Nadal in Hamburg he relentlessly attacked and broke down Nadal's forehand, not his backhand. Fed ran around Nadal's short forehands and attacked them wide driving Nadal off the court -- and dominated at 2 and love.

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Roger Federer, 12 times grand slam champion, will undoubtedly anhiliate nadal the "king of clay" with his graceful and aesthetically pleasing shot selection. Then we'll see who'll be pumping their fists !!

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posted Apr 26, 2008

Hamburg's surface is faster than tomorrow's, Fed should try and beat Nadal in his own game, applying pressure all around and using the opportunities the clay-court gives

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