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Who will succeed Eddie O'Sullivan?

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posted Mar 20, 2008

I don't think the IRFU can afford Jack White as England are bound to snap him up if Ashton goes. Ruddock would be a good option, but some of the older 'precious' players might find him a bit tough to get along with.

Kidney would be an obvious chose, but I think the IRFU need to be brave and go for a SH experienced coach

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posted Mar 20, 2008

From a neutrals view I would say that Pat Howard should be top of your list (if you cant get Jake White that is). However Ruddock is not a bad shout at all. He might ruffle some feathers but perhaps that is exactly what is needed?
I hadnt realised that his son plays for Ire U19. What club does he play for?

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posted Mar 20, 2008

If Jake white was available and the irfu could afford him then he would be most peoples first choice. After him I would like pat howard- he is available at the moment and did a great job at leicster. Ruddock would be my third choice and i would be very happy if we got him too.

I really dont think kidney would be a good choice. he has been around with the irish provinces too long and knows all the players very well so would already have his favourites etc- after such a long time with eddie in charge i think a clean start would be the better call

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comment by U4313325

posted Mar 20, 2008

Pat Howard would be my first choice, with Mick Galwey doing the manager job Brian O'Brien used to do!

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posted Mar 20, 2008

Jake would be the best for Ireland as he even turned around a RUBBISH bok side, 00 - 04 was very painful for me pre White 53 -3 anyone...

Seeing as he did change his name to an English one I think he has some serious plans for England though. I would be pretty happy if Kidney could get in there, would he want to leave Munster though that is the question.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

I had heard that Michael Bradley was a outside choice. I would like to see Pat Howard with Bradley as his no 2. I think that would be a very forward thinking team. I am sure that Connaught would not object to Bradley being released as Edwards was.

What do others think of this combination?

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posted Mar 20, 2008

To answer your query about Mike Ruddock's son Ciaran, he plays second row for the Swansea club and is Irish qualified because his mother comes from Dublin.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

I didn't realise Jake White was born Jacob Westerduin. You learn something new every day

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posted Mar 20, 2008

Why did he change it - was it an Akrikaans issue?

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posted Mar 20, 2008

The IRFU should be taking Jake White for a very expensive lunch immediately. Perfect chance to nab him before England sort themselves out. Would be good to get in a coach who has no previous experience with the players like Gatland and Edwards for Wales - we need a big shake up.

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comment by jp2785 (U9366342)

posted Mar 20, 2008

I think Ruddock would be perfect for the job. He knows more about Irish Rugby then any of the other options bar Kidney whow ont get the job after the whole leinster thing. Whites another good option but I doubt he'd take the job. My Pecking order would be Ruddock then Howard then Mitchell.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

As long as Ashton's position is in limbo, I do not think that Jake White would take the post, though he would be first choice. So best alternative would be Pat Howard and I would be inclined to agree with blind540 on Bradley as his assistant, provided of course that both were prepared to accept the posts.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

The top 2 contenders for me are Pat Howard and Jake White. The positives for Howard are that he is very much a forward thinkng coach and will not have as much expectation on him as White would. However, with Leicester he was working with a club with one of the best adademies in the northern hemisphere and an ability to attract top players. But his success is unquestionale and he seems to create environments of confidence and winnng. White is an outstanding coach and is proven at the top level of international rugby. Personally I think he is waiting for England's phone call. I wouldn't go for Kidney becuase Ireland need at least 3 strong provinces to be a success and he is an outstanding coach who we need developing players at provincial level. Plus we need someone with no experience of Irish rugby recently as we really need someone to to tell all the established players that they are not guaranteed the shirt. All players, regardless of what side of the irish sea they play on, must have an equal shout at getting into the Irish XV. We don't have enough players to be selective and if someone is playing consistanly well in the guinness premiership then why not use it to our advantage?Competition to create hunger again is vital to get out of this slump. If i had to choose the man I think would do this, I would go for Howard.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

Doubt if you could get White but best of luck and happy hunting. In the real world however my money would be on Ruddock. I see him as someone who could draw the talent out of players and forge a team - something which sadly seemed to be lacking through the world cup and recent 6N's. He also has that Irish connection with past clubs.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

I think it takes more than just one person to coach an international side so we need to talk an entire coaching setup. I am a fan of Declan Kidney, seeing as he has been a success at Munster. As George Hook said during the Six Nations, Munster would have beaten both England and Wales playing a ten man game. However, i think there are better people for the job than Kidney.

Ultimatley now that it seems that Ashton will keep his job as England coach, then White has to be the outstanding candidate. If you appoint him head coach then why not have Mike Ruddock or Alan Gaffney as backs coach, with Jim Williams or Keith Wood as forwards coach? Maybe Jake White would bring his own people in, but i think a team such as that would be outsatnding

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posted Mar 20, 2008

For all the Jake White nominators out there, can I just remind everyone that for all his success, his brand of rugby would bore you to tears! If Ireland want to play decent rugby, not a 10man power game, then pick a coach from NZ or AUS who will come in and shake things up, and play expansive rugby

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posted Mar 20, 2008

How about Brian Smith of LI

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comment by Neil (U9701706)

posted Mar 20, 2008

Ruddock would for ireland what Gatland did for wales ,
how many trophies did howard actually win? 2 in 4 years wasn't it?

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posted Mar 20, 2008

when wales won the grand slam this year, they were the best of a bad lot. they deserved to win it but all the other teams were rubbish.

when they won it in 2005 ireland and france were on form and ruddock had not the likes of hook or phillips in the team. nor had he shaun edwards along side him. i really do hope that he decides to join ireland :)

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posted Mar 20, 2008

Of course Connacht would object to Bradley being taken away...but the supporters wouldn't.
Why? Because Bradley is crap. What has he done with Connacht? Nothing. Connacht have not won an away game in 3 years FFS!! That's not acceptable, and if the IRFU promote him instead of firing him it'll show how unbelievably thick they are.

And Griffman you are totally wrong. We need FOUR provinces pulling their weight not three. Another person buying into that bull makes me mad. Why are young players wasting their time on benches behind two foreign players instead of playing for Connacht? I just hope whoever comes in can point this out.

JP I totally disagree with you as well. I think that the worst thing we could do is get someone who "knows" the Irish players. We need somebody who won't respect reputation (had enough of that off Eddie), and instead will respect ability and form. Someone who is not afraid to rock the boat.

This whole thing is a little late anyways.

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comment by Gazsom1 (U8635189)

posted Mar 20, 2008

New Ireland coach?.....Brian Ashton? <laugh> Seriously though, Ruddock would tick all of the right boxes for the Irish, meethinks anyhow.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

i think they should appoint george hook!!!
he would knock some sense into slackers like o'drisscoll and darcy and he would give the young lads a chance ... i think thats a good argument... but honestly jake white will not accept the post and declan kidney isnt good enough so therefore i choose pat howard with alan gaffney as backs coach niall o donovan in the mix (he did as much as eddie for ireland) and maybe a jim williams or a neil jenkins in there too and a better rugby league defence coach

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posted Mar 20, 2008

jake white has a proven track record. get him quick. as long as they also appoint the right back room staff. EOS was a very good coach but it was patently obvious that he couldn't do it on his own. a forwards and backs coach is also important. lets not forget what Eddie O'Sullivan DID achieve in his reign. he did a great job but failed to recognise when he needed to make changes or get help.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

First appoint Mick Galwey as the team manager, get him on board and involved in appointing a coach, Mike Ruddock would be good or Wayne Smith and let the two of them pick a back room staff. I'm not Galwey's greatest fan but I am aware of the impact he makes he has something about him that brings the best out of people and he sets his standards very high. He does have to work in tandem with a very good coach with plenty of international experience not Declan Kidney

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posted Mar 20, 2008

As a Munster fan I would not like to see Declan Kidney getting the Irish job as I would prefer him to stay with Munster. I would like to see the IRFU phoning up Jake White (now that it looks like that Ashton will stay)and asking him to name his price and give it to him. Let him bring in whoever he wants as his backroom team with no question of money. If you want the best you must pay the best. The IRFU cannot be short of cash now that 80k are attending the Irish matches. Come on IRFU get your finger out and sort it out ASAP.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

I hope you don't get ruddock,would love to see him at the osprey's next year.<ok>

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posted Mar 20, 2008

Yes I'm sure you would want a Munster man, just to secure the Munster mafia hold on (Rep of0 Irish rugby...sure stick in George "knows fek all, but has loads to say" Hook and there's the dream team in place!

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posted Mar 20, 2008

Galwey has done nothing! Why would anyone put him into the Irish setup now?

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posted Mar 20, 2008

Please listen to this first. Eddy is ireland's most successful coach ever. He is also posibly Ireland's longest serving coach, especially when you add in his time as assistant to Gatland. He must be thanked by all Irish fans.

However, that said, his time was up. Ireland became stale and the only thing to do was to change coach because we don't have the depth to change the squad.

Who then to replace him??? My dream tiket would be Kidney, Ruddock and Jim Williams. They are all winners which we once again need. Looking at the set up in Munster Kiddney has a strong back room and he listens to the players.

Eddy's biggest failure without doubt is his inability to man manage. His treatment of Geordan Murphy in general and this season in particular was awful.

Furthermore he failed to make use of three extremely good number 7s in Keith Gleeson, Johnny O'Connor and Shane Jennings which ultimately meant a slow but powerful back row and a lot of slow ball. We progressively lost more ruck ball and where it was quick ball it was usually down to the effores of our centres D'Arcy and O'Driscoll both of whom have suffered injuries. D'Arcy's would not have been injured had he stayed away from the ruck.

Look at Wales and New Zealand who have Richie McCaw and Martin Williams to create continuity and speed up the breakdown.

I look foward to some new energy but thank Eddy

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posted Mar 20, 2008

With the best interests of Ireland in mind, I suggest Bernard Laporte to succeed O'Sullivan!<laugh>

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posted Mar 20, 2008

It cannot be Declan Kidney - that would be an absolute disaster, as will any Irish coach.

Wed go back to provincial favourtism as we seen under EOS - especially if we put a Munster man in charge - final nail in the coffin for Ulster and Connacht im afraid.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

Most of the names thrown about make some sort of sense but id almost beg the IRFU not to appoint Kidney or Ruddock.
Its pretty obvious that ruddock wasnt the brains behind the 2005 grand slam.

Kidney, im sure would do a grand job initially but i cant see him bringing too many young players through (lets face it, thats what we need). Take what happened with rob kearney at leinster for example. Under kidney he was playing U20s rugby, not even leinster A. When cheika came in, one of the first things he did was to bring kearney straight into the first team. Since hes been back at munster he hasnt really brought anyone through either. Lets hope keith earls gets a few more chances next season.

Sentiment in me would love an Irish coach but i just dont see one other than kidney (Bradley being too inexperienced at the top), so id go for john mitchell or pat howard. i dont see jake white taking it so id say hes out of the picture. then again i didnt see shaun edwards accepting wales over england

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posted Mar 20, 2008

Ah it would be great to put the"final" nail in the Ulster coffin!!!What exactly were the nails that went before they appoint Kidney?
I think it would be a mistake to appoint Kidney, great club coach, perfect for munster where players can play on till mid thirties but as eddie proved international rugby seems to prefer young talented players, just like what seems to be comming through from Leinster and Ulster. It would be great to get a coach who could form a great team using those players while not losing too many more ranking places.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

I suffered through a miserable world cup followed by a miserable 6 nations. Whoever is chosen for the job it must be someone who will (re)install a sense of pride into Irish rugby. Even in the bad old days Ireland never went meekly, nowadays hardly a squeek of protest can be heard as Ireland are being put to the sword. I have never seen a greener, cleaner Irish jersey leaving the field of defeat as last week at Twickenham. No vision, no guts, no pride but at least we saved money on the Tide and Persil or whatever they use nowadays.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

Where is Dean Richards these days? Surely he would be just the guy we need.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

Bleeding obvious:

Jake White, Pat Howard, or Marcelo Loffreda.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

Pat Howard will be appointed shortly after the Easter break!!

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posted Mar 20, 2008

I can't believe Mike Ruddock is being mentioned. Sure he's a decent enough coach, but a lot of his success came as a result of steve hansen's work. Many people will know how the training sessions under Ruddock were less productive, whilst he sat in his car 'working'. Scott Johnson did more for the squad to maintain Hansen's standards.

Of course, no matter who takes over the real problem will be finding quality players, as the irish golden generation come to the end of their careers.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

Ashton for Ireland!!!. Please guy's give him another go. We'll pay you, you can even have his boyfriend Balshaw for free.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

You won't get Jake White. Surprised he's in the running to be honest!

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comment by Gustino (U2931330)

posted Mar 20, 2008

Jim Williams has already accepted a job back in Oz so he'll not be on any ticket. Bradley hasn't progressed Connaught at all in three or four years and the word around recent international camps about the skill levels of Connaught players would suggest that he's nowhere near the mark. In any case, politically within the union as son-in-law of Noel 'Noisy' Murphy his candidature would not be welcomed. On Mick Galway, fine player, fine man but what proven management experience has he got? On Howard, why all the hoopla - hardly proven leading a club like Leicester with internationals for subs to two club trophies. The starting point should be to appoint Conor O'Shea as Manager - he does have proven admin and managerial competence at the union level, can see what the standard is across the unions and can handle the politics of being employed by a rugby union. Have him then involved in selecting the coaching team. Get quality backs, forwards and defence coaches from overseas - a forwards coach from Down Under. Where is Michael Jones now - is he still working with Samoa? - or Wayne Shelford and a backs coach from France - Berbizier? although his predecessor in Italy John Kirwan wouldn't be a bad option there either. Would tend to agree about bringing the defence coach in from League if you can get a good one. As a left field suggestion for conditioning / fitness I'd bring in John McCluskey who worked with the uber successful Armagh gaelic football team and who has, I believe worked on conditioning with some Premiership clubs and finally, in the same vein, Brendan Hackett to be the psychologist. Experienced in working with both teams and individuals up to Olympic athlete level, and available having just finished up a stint as CEO of Irish Athletics - probably pound for pound, each the best in Ireland at what they do

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posted Mar 20, 2008

Not sure what you mean with "ah it would be great to put the final nail in Ulsters coffin" .Surely what we need is unity to improve the fortunes of Irish rugby and not provincial loyalties as this is how we are at this point now.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

I was just wondering out loud what were the other nails put in to the coffin of Ulster? Surely they cant blame our goverment for the tax incentives which the republics provinces enjoy? I just think it's a little naive to disregard any coach who is A irish or B has worked with the provinces. And didn't Conor o'Shea just accept a big job in the UK?

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posted Mar 20, 2008

John Mitchell has a 82% win rate when he coached New Zealand, other than Graham Henry he is one of the best coaches there's been, losing to Australia in the semi,s of the 2003 WC finished him.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

Scott Johnson's still available as well. Possible backs coach... perhaps with Pat Howard as Head Coach?

don't know exactly what Michael Jones is up to but Pat Lam was the unbeaten Auckland NPC team's forwards coach last year. He's a coach on the up. Shane Howarth was their backs coach.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

diom1982

The comment about needing "at least 3 provinces" playing well had no refernece to a specific 3.This year 2 provinces are doing well and 2 aren't. Subsequently Irish rugby has a horrendous year. If 3 provinces, and I mean ANY 3 are playing well then the Irish team will have a better chance to be a success.It's not an anti connacht reference and i'm not buying into any "bull".Entirly agree that Ireland need to ensure all 4 provinces are doing well and that young irish players are playing regular high level rugby.

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posted Mar 20, 2008

"I was just wondering out loud what were the other nails put in to the coffin of Ulster? Surely they cant blame our goverment for the tax incentives which the republics provinces enjoy? I just think it's a little naive to disregard any coach who is A irish or B has worked with the provinces. And didn't Conor o'Shea just accept a big job in the UK?"

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colindaniel if you are seriously trying to construe that Ulster rugby has not been the victim of bias from the IRFU then you dont need to ask yourself what the problem with the Irish rugby is - because your it.

I would love, to see you justify or give reasonable and plausible explanations as to why, despite being the powerhouse of Irish rugby for generations upon generations, Ulster now struggle to get a player in the Irish team...

Again i cant wait for you to tell me its because our players arent good enough (because Southern coaches have refused to develop them)...

You will struggle to find anyone outside of the Republic of Ireland that can give logical explanations for the decline in Ulster rugby, thats because the reasons for the decline are very simply at IRFU level and a clear and deliberate policy instigated by EOS to not picked players outside of Munster or Leinster except in an absolute emergency.

There used to be 3 Irish teams and one development team, what we have now is 2 Irish teams (Leinster and Munster) one development teams (Connacht) and then Ulster...

As a result of deliberate smear campaigns from Southern fans and as a result of the climate in Irish rugyb under EOS (we all know the upper middle class pratts from D4 are responsible) Ulster rugby has seriously suffered - in the last 10 years any Ulster player that wants to get into the Irish teams has had to be twice as good as their Southern counterparts.

I know its convenient and easy for you boys to pretend thats not true, the sooner you start accepting it, the less damage it will do to Irish rugby in all 4 provinces.

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posted Mar 21, 2008

Former Ireland captain Keith Wood has said that Eddie O'Sullivan's departure as national coach is primarily down to the squad's failure at the World Cup
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Funny, I thought it was down to the fact he's an awful coach.

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posted Mar 21, 2008

comment by irishmicky (U6266942)
posted 10 Hours Ago
Do me a favour and drop the paranoia. You clearly haven't a bog what your talking about. I love a logical explanation as to how the Ulster dominated IRFU can be anti Ulster. For Crying out loud if anything Rugby is still and english sport that wants to give alligence to the Queen of England and that's a major part of Ulster Identity. What the hell do you think they have 2 anthems for.
If Eddie O Sullivan didn't pick players from Ulster it's not because of an anti Ulster bias, it's because of his way of doing things. He didn't pick Geordan Murhpy for a long time either as he didn't play in Ireland. Stupid reasoning on both his part and your I am afraid. I would love to see you give a logical and well thought out example as to how Irish Fans waged a campaign against Ulster Rugby? Wake up would you and stop holding on to old dead persecutions that were always imagined

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posted Mar 21, 2008

I feel you’re missing the point as you’ve pretty much just said, I’m paraphrasing, ‘Ulster is like playing in England…Geordan Murphy…’… Anyways as an examples, not of bias but definitely overlooking, come in the form of Isaac Boss, Tommy Bowe and Neil Best.
Taking Boss first – ‘he’s been poor this year,’ I hear you say. True, a bad season but let me take you back to last season and the season before when EoS persisted with Peter ‘one dimensional’ Stringer (not jumping on the bandwagon, I’ve always thought he was very very very very poor and we wouldn’t win anything with him and O’Gara…and there’s another one…David Humphreys..that fella should’ve been playing much longer than he did..lets face it playing O’Gara hasn’t paid off in the long term if we want to win more than the Triple Crown) over Boss when he was actually the best scrum half playing in Ireland, using snipes, breaks and box kicks – all these things we’re now attributing to Reddan who is..a Munsterman but in fairness playing in England. Turning to a little bit of opinion – Boss was actually scrum half in Ireland’s best performance I can remember – against Australia in 2006.
Tommy Bowe – Come on even you must see that Bowe was the form winger this season and, assuming Eos was always going to play BOD and D’Arcy in the centre, should have been starting in front of Trimble or Murphy on the wing.
Neil Best – Neil Best has been the most ferocious back row for Ireland in recent times and was also a great performer in the bespoke match against Australia, until he lost his place – due to Ulster’s form – to the young starlet…Simon Easterby…who has remained on the bench this year for no reason as he is not an impact player by any means.
And by the by it would also be useful to note that two of the three I have mentioned had pretty much given up on their international career and sought a livelihood over the water and one cannot help but think this is because they felt they were not going to get into an Ireland squad let alone a team. We have EoS to thank for those two boys going.

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