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posted Mar 18, 2008

According to the BBC Sport news the police said that glass containers are not permitted inside sporting grounds and that is why they took away the champers.

But it does beg the question why Mike Blair did not have his Man of the Match bottle of champagne confiscated by the polis after the Calcutta Cup match. There were, after all, several million witnesses to this heinous crime.

Another classic example of the abandonment of common sense.

Well done East Fife btw.

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posted Mar 18, 2008

Both East Fife and the Police are at fault here.

The Police should know that the alcohol ban is not in sporting stadia - it's in football stadia. That's why the SRU can introduce alcohol sales at Murrayfield!

East Fife should also know that as football stadia are open to the paying public, they are covered by the ban on alcohol in public that affects the rest of us when we sit in the stands; as well as the ban on glass containers.

Both the Police and East Fife should know that they can get plastic champagne bottles that would have been allowed in the stands for spraying (but not drinking) keeping everyone happy!

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posted Mar 18, 2008

Wasnt there bubbly when United lifted the Premiership torphy last season? I saw a youtube vid of Ronaldo sraying it everywhere. So is this ban just for scottish sides or do higher league teams have exemot status?

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comment by Alex (U4024704)

posted Mar 18, 2008

I can explain this - the police knew full well that they were dealing with law abiding citizens that would ultimately do what they were told. Far easier to throw your weight around and bully these kind of people than real criminals.

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posted Mar 18, 2008

jakebrother - the law refers to sports grounds. There is nothing special about football stadia. However, it is up to the Secretary of State to decide whether or not to "designate" a particular ground or event. If he does not do so, there is no ban on alcohol, glass bottles, etc.

The police did overstep the mark if, as some reports say, they confiscated the champagne in the dressing room. The ban applies only to the parts of the ground used by spectators, which is why it is ok to present a bottle of champagne to the player/manager of the month on the pitch.

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posted Mar 18, 2008

Flamefox1989 - the particular law quoted in this instance applies to Scotland only. However, the law in England is similar.

United with champagne on winning the Premiership was ok as long as they kept it on the pitch and the pitch remained clear of spectators. East Fife had the champagne in the stands, which is not allowed.

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posted Mar 18, 2008

if the fans arent aloud to drink in the ground why should the players?

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comment by GD (U9186016)

posted Mar 18, 2008

Being a fan of said champagne-spraying club, I was there on Saturday, and the risks to anyone's health and safety were pretty minimal to say the least. The law of the land is the law of the land and all that, but you would have hoped that common sense would prevail. Granted, the police allowed us to run on to the pitch and celebrate with our players - I don't see the problem in spraying a bit of champagne around. What I also object to on the journalistic front is that the BBC and other media sources have given this story far more attention than us becoming the first club in Britain to win a league title! Just comparing the lengths of the two articles shows you as much. I'm still walking around with a smile as wide as the chimney of Methil Power Station is tall after Saturday - despite this corking piece of journalism.

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comment by Page73 (U8775663)

posted Mar 18, 2008

Only Scots...

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posted Mar 18, 2008

Typical muppet copper...I hope he is named and shamed in the Scottish press.Bet you he wets himself when up against some dangerous hoodlum....but health and safety regulations!Supercop to the rescue!Frank Dribben is alive and well in Scotland

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posted Mar 18, 2008

East Fife should grow up! All they had to do was pour the champagne into plastic bottles & carry on with the party. They made a mountain made out of a molehill. The police were only doing their job.

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posted Mar 18, 2008

Glass bottles are a risk to health and safety...
Only if they get thrown or dropped. Are there no glass windows in Scotland?

If it was not true..you could not make it up..

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posted Mar 18, 2008

Get real, as usual the bobbies get it all wrong. The law was introduced to prevent people peeing in glass bottles and throwing them about. Now thats unlikely to happening when people are celebrating the win... As usual the just embarrass us all in the eyes of the world. If only they were so tuff on the neds drinking and annoying people minding their own business.

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posted Mar 18, 2008

Very well done to East Fife... an extremely good season by all accounts, and they deserve to celebrate winning the title as much as they want. How come Rangers were allowed champagne on the field at Ibrox when they returned with the CIS Cup trophy? Is there a difference between Rangers and East Fife spraying champagne?

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posted Mar 18, 2008

Now we have taken away the right to celebrate in the old fashion way. How pathetic!!! The police should be ashamed of themselves. People have precious little to celebrate don't take it away from them when they do.

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posted Mar 18, 2008

Fair enough the point about the bottles on the pitch but in the dressing room is a load of tosh. What do they do in the boardrooms and corporate hospitality - serve drinks in paper cups poured fromplastic bottles? I trust that the Falkirk polis will head to Falkirk's next home match and shut the directors lounge and hospitality down and confiscate any glass items they find or is it one rule for the big clubs and another for the wee ones!!

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posted Mar 18, 2008

Yet another case of officious idiots who don't appear to understand the reason for a law and therefore enforce it blindly. Heaven help us from such morons whose brains' contents are only the list of rules, and are therefore clearly incapable of applying independent thought and common sense. It doesn't take a genious to realise that such celebrations are completely outside the reason for this rule's existance, and applying it here achieves absolutely nothing.

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comment by Jimmy G (U1094004)

posted Mar 18, 2008

What a shitty little country we've become. How bloody sad and petty.

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posted Mar 18, 2008

I just heard the item on the main Scottish TV news. We wait sixty years for a title and TV's first real interest is in a non-event such as health and safety.

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posted Mar 18, 2008

This is a complete joke! When are the so called authorities going to learn that in circumstance's like this, they cause trouble for themselves and make themselves look stupid! Surely common sense should prevail!!

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posted Mar 18, 2008

"Surely common sense should prevail".

I think that there's a law against it somewhere.

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posted Mar 18, 2008

It just goes to show how putrid this government has made this country. Police officers should be out reprimanding actual criminals intead of denying a group of men, who have worked damn hard to get this title, from enjoying themselves.

It just shows how cowardly and backstabbing police actually are. No wonder everbody hates the sight and smell of them.

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comment by laval74 (U8437760)

posted Mar 18, 2008

Common Sense? You're absolutely right it should be (and certainly in this case) applied but unfortunately it's long gone, dead and buried, replaced by the abominable PC.

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posted Mar 18, 2008

It really isn't fair to call the police 'pigs'. Pigs are cute and in fact quite intelligent !

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comment by kEITH (U10448512)

posted Mar 18, 2008

This has got to be the most pathetic act by the police yet!!

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posted Mar 18, 2008

Whats worse is if this was in the Premiership this wouldnt even be a news story, the police would just over look the incedent. Its a shame really all football teams no matter what size should be treated the same.

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posted Mar 18, 2008

Ch Inspector Audrey Mcleod said "officers again spoke to the club highlighting the potential for glass bottles to present a Health & Safety issue particularly with a number of families with children in the vicinity".

Did no one thing to ask the utterly fatuous Ch inspector to elaboate on just what that danger might be? Or was she implying that the families might actually seize the bottles and wreak havoc themselves?

Anyway I'm getting on the phone to Ch Inspector McLeod and telling her to get at least 200 coppers down to Methil Sainsburys first thing in the morning. I've heard there are glass bottles piled high on every shelf and mums, dads and kids everywhere. Sounds like a real recipe for carnage.

I'll let you know if I'm charged with wasting police time.

And.....well done to East Fife!

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posted Mar 18, 2008

As apolice officer, albeit in wales, I find myself shaking my head in disbelief at how the cops can shoot themselves in the foot time after time. The law is the law, but we all have discretion and this smacks of real jobsworth. Shame.

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posted Mar 18, 2008

Hold on a minute lads.....there's a law against having alcohol in controlled containers which is glass bottles at football grounds in Scotland. It's not the fault of the Police that East Fife didn't wish to obey that. They would certainly know about the law as it has been on the go since 1980. There can't be one law for players and directors and another for fans. Shame on you all for blaming the police

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posted Mar 18, 2008

What a pathetic country we are becoming. God preserve us from the health and safety brigade who seem to infest every public body in this country. Three sad bits about this (a) the chief inspector is probably getting all kinds of praise and kudos inside the police service. (b)We the general public have so little fight left in us that we tamely put up with these idiots. Lastly we are talking about this decision instead of the real heroes namely EAST FIFE.
Well done lads

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posted Mar 18, 2008

"There can't be one law for players and directors and another for fans. Shame on you all for blaming the police"

Why not? The law is clearly there to deal with troublemakers, and the players celebrating their victory clearly aren't. There's the law, and then there's common sense in applying the law. You appear to be supporting blind application, irrespective of the fact that you're benefitting no-one by doing so. The law was created for a reason, and the players' celebrations are not that reason. The aforementioned sadly-lacking common sense would say you use the law to deal with a problem when appropriate, and there was no problem here. Enforcing the letter of the law in complete ignorance of its spirit is utter foolishness, achieves nothing positive, and makes it look petty, officious, stupid, and vindictive in the eyes of the public.

If the only reason the police can give for enforcing a law is "it's the law", and haven't got a single other argument, then IMO they aren't doing their job properly.

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posted Mar 18, 2008

While officers were there, I hope they checked the directors' wine was coming out of boxes instead of bottles...

Congratulations to East Fife. The bubbly may have been put on hold but no doubt they made up for it later in the evening!

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posted Mar 18, 2008

So if the law does not allow alcohol in glass bottles, how come SKY managed to present Alan Maybury with a bottle of champagne after the cup game tonight ?? Scottish Police are full of CRAP

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comment by dm0511 (U9700269)

posted Mar 19, 2008

What do we pay the Police to do, would it be possible for them ALL to attend a common sense course. Unfortunately our boys in blue are fast becoming the laughing stock of the world! Its getting to the stage where we would be better off with corrupt South American style officers who at least had a bit more intelligence and nous than the vast majority we employ here.

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posted Mar 19, 2008

First of all, Congratulations to East Fife, the boys have been superb this season and to clinch the title this early is just fantastic!

As for the jobs-worth police at Stirling on Saturday - grow up!!! Apply some common sense and allow the players and fans to enjoy their day..... or were your shifts due to finish at 5?

Roll on the 19th April when they're presented with the trophy at New Bayview!

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posted Mar 19, 2008

I assume that the same police authority would show an equal initiative had they been in control of the CIS Final last Sunday ? No doubt their counterparts in Glasgow never contemplated such action. No wonder Scottish Football is in danger of becoming the laughing stock of Europe

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posted Mar 19, 2008

the law is to stop hoolies chucking bottles at each other - understandable .. BUT this was players / managers celebrating in the dressing room so not really "in the public domain".

GET A LIFE !!!

I can see it now ... at Silverstone Lewis Hamilton will be arrested for "acting in a dangerous manner with a champagne bottle" smiley

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posted Mar 19, 2008

The police have a difficult job...no doubt about it, but they don't do themselves any favours by adopting this self-righteous jobsworth approach to what should have been a huge celebration for East Fife.
Well done East Fife!!!!

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posted Mar 19, 2008

What are the police officers supposed to do? Just say 'nah, don't feel like enforcing that law today'. They have to apply the law, and they did their best to let the team get around it by warning them repeatedly that it wouldn't be allowed. The team should just have taken it on the bus and celebrated elsewhere.

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posted Mar 19, 2008

Forcecrag

The law against alcohol in ANY container and NOT in plastic bottles was passed in 1980 following a spate of particularly anti social behaviour in footballl culminating in a riot at the Old Firm Scottish Cup Final at which mounted police had to baton charge a pitch invasion by fans. In other words football fans shot themselves in the foot. East Fife would be well aware of the law and have a duty to show their fans an example by obeying it. All the talk about Lewis Hamilton etc is hot air as the law doesn't as yet apply to Formula 1 Grand Prix which as far as I know are not held in Scotland anyway.

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posted Mar 19, 2008

common sense should be allowed to prevail. End of story.

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comment by Chris (U7643128)

posted Mar 19, 2008

This is just plain ridiculous. Does this law stop TV companies and sponsors from presenting their man of the match with a bottle of champagne? Next they'll be dishing out vouchers for Londis or Threshers instead.

"On behalf of the panel in the TV studio, we would like to award you Steven Gerrard the man of the match award. Please take this 2 litre bottle of Vimto as a token of your achievement."

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posted Mar 19, 2008

Congratulations to East Fife on winning the Third Division already, but i was there at Firs Park watching that game, and what a game it was, lovely to watch the football but got to admit Shirey didnt have much of a chance, after the game, the east fife players were celebrating in the stand with the glass bottles and finding out police would make an appearance for this is shame, but anyways, well done to East Fife and have a great season in the Second Division next season...ok

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posted Mar 19, 2008

Well done to East Fife. What a miserable bunch the Scottish Polis can be. Rules are made to be broken by applying a bit of common sense. This just makes Scotland look a backward nation - something the SPL are doing quite nicely this season without any help from anyone.

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posted Mar 19, 2008

"Forcecrag

The law against alcohol in ANY container and NOT in plastic bottles was passed in 1980 following a spate of particularly anti social behaviour in footballl culminating in a riot at the Old Firm Scottish Cup Final at which mounted police had to baton charge a pitch invasion by fans."

I think you've missed my point entirely. The law was introduced (arguably reasonably enough) to deal with a particular problem. What was happening at East Fife was not that sort of thing at all, and in no way comparable. It wasn't what the law was designed to target, and unfortunately an clearly innocent celebration in clearly utterly different circumstances that the law wasn't targetting got accidentally caught in the net. Anyone with half a brain could see all that, see that the law wasn't really appropriate in the circumstances, and behave sensibly and use discretion. Unfortunately we live in a world where such sensible attitudes are discouraged, and replaced with blind obedience, however ridiculous (rather like the ultra religious types in many ways).

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posted Mar 19, 2008

What a lot of utterly ill-informed, inaccurate, jump-on-the-bandwagon, herd-mentality tosh written here over the past two days based upon lazy, ill-informed journos unwilling - for the most part - to get of backsides and check the BASIC facts. Fact: the police didnt confiscate the champagne. A fact that police confirmed to the media but hey, why let that ruin a silly season story. Fact: the bottles/champagne werent a problem in the dressing room. It was when it appeared on the stand twice it became an issue and the request was made for it to be removed, perfectly amicably and the club officials did so. Did you see Barry Ferguson and Co spraying champange all around the Nat Stadium stand at the weekend. No? Why? Cos every police force in the land follows these regulations and every club is meant to adhere to them. You can debate all day about the action taken by the officer(s), and whether they should or shouldnt have taken that course of action, but at the end of the day discretion was shown - no-one was arrested, no drink was seized, no-one was stopped from celebrating a memorable success and 400 East Fife fans were allowed onto the pitch to express their glee. Hardly authoritarian by the police. Think it says it all that sensible East Fife fans reckon its a shame the focus is on this hurricane in a teacup rather than their success.

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posted Mar 19, 2008

Shouldn't the police be trying to arrest criminals? They are not enforcers of health and safety. Why are the police not allowed use their own brains over things like this. You pause for a moment and say, "It would be ridiculous to stop people celebrating something they should be happy about, I am going to try and arrest some hoodies, unless I get scared and run away." Cowardly police, willing to threaten people they know they can intimidate rather than do their job which involves risk. Please note I do not lump all police in this category but there seems to be an awful lot of them around, willing to arrest someone law abiding, but when confronted by a gang will bluster and puff and apologise because they can't do anything.

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