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posted Feb 7, 2008

Well once you are adults and move around the world you dont really live in each others pockets. I have two sisters who I'm on good terms with but i often go six weeks sithout speaking to them.

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comment by albert (U6379863)

posted Feb 7, 2008

bnb, your analogy is inappropriate.

jm and am play tennis,so they are in the same profession. they go to the same major events and quite possibly stay in the same hotel. they play in the same davis cup team, or rather did play.

they might also share the same home when they are off events.

so the probability of their bumping across each other and talking is much much much higher than in your case!

the other point is its weird to have one brother criticise another in the media.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

Jamie Murray: I'm your older brother, Andy, and I was stepped over!

Andy Murray: That's the way Mom wanted it.

Jamie Murray: It ain't the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!

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posted Feb 7, 2008

Is that a quote from On the Waterfront, Moody?

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posted Feb 7, 2008

From Jamie Murray quotes it looks as if Andy made the decision and didn't speak to J Lloyd or his team mates.

If you're on a team and someone is impolite, brother or not you would probably criticise.


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posted Feb 7, 2008

JFF GFII

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posted Feb 7, 2008

laugh Okay! Trivia: that's one of only 2 sequels to win the best picture oscar... name the other!

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comment by albert (U6379863)

posted Feb 7, 2008

coolwolf, he didnt speak to john lloyd. i was listening to radio 5 last week and they were interviewing jl. jl mentioned he hadnt spoken to am and came to know of am through other sources.

dont know if am has spoken to jl since, but the time when the news broke out, he hadnt.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

Police Academy II?

winkeye

It's probably Rocky II, but I'm not going to bother looking it up.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

pixel - it would seem that andy's hair gets in the way of using a phone.

This was posted on a different thread by Moody Chops. Classic

Jamie Murray: Andy, you're nothing to me now. You're not a brother, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do. I don't want to see you at the hotels, I don't want you near my house. When you see our mother, I want to know a day in advance, so I won't be there. You understand?

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posted Feb 7, 2008

Not Rocky II! Bad enough that Rocky won without imagining more oscars for that tripe. And on the issue, this is all rather strange: one would imagine that with his new super team hyper force coaching squad he would be more reachable but instead he seems to be cloistered.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

Yeah well brothers squabble, and obviously DC means more to JM's career than it does to AM's. Still this is an entertaining development! I hope they keep it up.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

I believe Lord of the Rings, but can't remember the name of the second film.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

"Jamie Murray: I'm your older brother, Andy, and I was stepped over!

Andy Murray: That's the way Mom wanted it.

Jamie Murray: It ain't the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!"


Post of the year.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

Team Murray would appear to be sailing through choppy waters at the moment

Jamie Murray (the one with the grand slam title) is it would seem a little peeved at his brother for letting the team down and not going to Argentina where they most probably are going to get trampled in to the clay court.

I posted yesterday on another thread that AM has in my opinion a severe problem with his attitude and this discussion is bearing that out if h did not have the common courtesy to telephone John Lloyd himself that he would not be available then that is disgraceful but we are learning that Andy Murray seems to think he has earned his place at the top table already which he has not

He is it seems beginning to believe his own hype and is surrounded by a bunch of yes men and employees who are going to tell him and his Mother what they want to hear not what they need to hear.

Good for Jamie for bringing this out in to the public domain in my opinion maybe as his brother and Judy's son he is one of the very few who can speak out against Andy without being on the receiving end of a tirade or getting thier P45

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posted Feb 7, 2008

I think Mario Puzo deserves the credit. That one's better than the other one on account of the brothers being the right way around agewise.

So Lord of the Rings (III?), but neither of the others won did they, so I guess good old Al, Bob and Marlon still have the edge.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

‘I believe Lord of the Rings, but can't remember the name of the second film.’

No, it was the third one, ‘Return of the King’.

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comment by Goofy (U9333761)

posted Feb 7, 2008

I have an issue with the title of this article - IMO, it should read "weird Murray brother" - one of them is quite normal.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

Boggo got slaughtered by the LTA and their clique for not wanting to play in the Davis Cup and was basically ignored for a long time afterwards.

Wonder if the petty squabble rule employed then by the LTA will apply to Andy as well????

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posted Feb 7, 2008

FPD no it won't. I don't know what you mean by "petty squabble rule", but presumably you actually mean "withdrawing from Davis Cup" rule?

If so the differences are these: Murray withdrew ostensibly because of health and fitness concerns; Bogdanovic withdrew because he didn't want to play. The second difference is that Bogdanovic is a middle-ranking journeyman who can barely be relied on to win a tie against a player of similar ranking, let alone one of the 150 odd ranked higher; Murray is the 11th best player in the world, and could be relied on to give a game to the number one player in the world on any surface.

So Murray will walk back into the team whenever he wants to.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

Moody Chops yes that comment was a little bit in wind up mode. Obviously Boggo's attitude didn't help but I can't stop thinking that Andy isn't going to look good if it turns out there's substance to what his brother is saying.

Regarding treating higher ranked players more favourably well the Davis Cup is a team sport. Personally I like the Capello approach with Beckham and his 100th cap for England. Doesn't matter who you are you've got to earn it. Maybe tennis can learn from the Italian?

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posted Feb 7, 2008

Well it depends on what Lloydy wants to achieve. (It occurs to me incidentally that his wages are probably in some way dependent on which group GB are in, but I guess he's hardly eking out a living). If Britain had say three other viable singles players in the top 30 or so then I think I could see him dropping Murray for future ties, but there is just no possibility of it happening under current circumstances. In all honesty, the current team without Andy Murray could well be looking at successive relegation seasons, and it's a while since they dropped that low. So his hands are tied, and being the politician that he is, Murray is likely to take advantage of that in the future. He holds all the cards and Lloydy holds none, it really is that simple. Not healthy perhaps, but not simple.

Another thought that occurs to me is what JL's opinion is on the Andy/Jamie relationship, given that he and his brother were in a similar position many moons ago.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

I can sympathise with Andy Murray. A lot of criticism of him has been about his lack of focus. Well, here he has made a decision which demonstrates that he is focused on his career. I don't think it was an easy decision - he could probably anticipate the hullaballoo that would ensue as a result.
Judging from the comments on this board, many of you are responsible, professional adults. How many times have you had to choose between professional self interest or doing public or civic duty? It's not an easy choice and he's paying for the decision he made with an understandable dip in public (and family?) favour. But his priority has to be his career and if he believes that the switch between the two playing surfaces would be damaging, I for one believe him and support him in that.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

I think the only tie Boggo has missed for which he might have been picked was the Serbia tie, however at the time the team was made he would have only been 3rd choice as both andy and greg where ahead, beliving eh woudl just be bench warming perhaps he prefres to concrentrate in rankings events.

It was unfortunate however that andy got injured (twice!) in the run up to the tie, so Big Arv's had to play one of the opening live rubbers, which he unsurprisingly lost to Novak if i remember right.

in the current case murray does really hold all the cards and he if wants to play in our next tie, probably in september, then he will be picked, JL really has no choice in the matter.

GB has had little luck in DC at the top end, in that our last 2 WG matches have both been away ties, when it is obvious to pick clay, and both very strong teams (even by DC standards), the Argies this time and Oz last time (when Hewitt was current world no1)

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posted Feb 7, 2008

MC you bring up a very important point. Performance related pay is what the LTA is all about. In the juniors it's all about how many of their performance players are in the top 100 internationally and it'll be no different in the adult game (asuming others can follow AM's example). Obviously then it follows that success in the Davis Cup is a key measure of high level performance.

Without Andy we wouldn't even win any play off to get into the world group so yes Lloyd can't always call the shots. I think this will become a big issue potentially if later on in the year AM for whatever reason isn't available again. Hopefully it would be a case of "will he/won't he for the next few years but somehow I have a nagging doubt that he may feel his debt to the LTA was paid off when he dispensed with Brad's services.

Hope I'm wrong.

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comment by albert (U6379863)

posted Feb 7, 2008

bp, i started off this thread not to criticize am. what am does is his choice. he wants to play dc or not, wants to skip gs, wants to retire - totally his choice.


my thread was about the weirdness of a family slaning being played out in public. its one sided as of now with jm loosing off the first salvo.

and by the way your comment - "How many times have you had to choose between professional self interest or doing public or civic duty?"

you will be surprised at the amount of responsible professional people who will do civic duty without ducking out of it.

your comparing professional people with professional tennis players is not right. doing a civic duty is very different to representing your country.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

coolpixel totally agree it's entirely up to AM what he does. Certainly players like Sampras and Federer put their ranking interests higher than that of playing Davis Cup for their respective countries on several occasions.

It's a difficult one. Henman never faced criticism over skipping Davis Cup duty towards the end of his career but that was obviously down to the fact that he had given his all to the cause over a number of years.

Coming back to the point of JM using the media to question his brother and his intentions. Hmm perhaps not the wisest thing to do but I can see where JM is coming from.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

i think tim did face quite a bit of critiscism for skipping the DC, but in the press any time a british player steps onto court they get criticsed over here!

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posted Feb 7, 2008

I have always thought Andy was a bit weird, and Jamie far more pleasant likable.
He was probalby in the background all the time, as Andy is a bigger talent, and so hasn't had time and opportunity to be puffed up with pride .
First time I noticed it was when Jamie was playing Wimbledon doubles finals with Jankovic, and ANdy was not even in the box, or turned up at the end (like, he was nervous to watch, what a load of tripe!)
Compare that with Djokovic's brothers who were happy to share his brother's success.
Anyway, AM has always reminded me of that evil, wealthy guy from Simpsons...

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posted Feb 7, 2008

Hmm perhaps not the wisest thing to do but I can see where JM is coming from.
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It really is better to avoid these interviews with the media or at least have a non contentious answer planned in advance. Better to express any differences in private.

Bottom line its the parlous state of British tennis that is the real culprit and questions should be addressed to those in charge for the last umpty two years..

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posted Feb 7, 2008

I'm sure the pair of them will laugh their heads off at the furore, if not now than in the future. Neither of them has any real reason to care whether the British public think they are at each other's throats, and this sort of thing is absolutely fantastic for both their media profiles.

As for svetlana's comments, we get still more of this mind-reading that she specialises in, and I'm not sure why I bother replying to it. No matter, Andy Murray has frequently been seen at Jamie's matches, sometimes in the players' box, sometimes skulking in the entrance gangways, and real human beings have noted on more than one occasion that he gets extremely worked up about the matches. But I guess your own personal whims and prejudice negate all that erm evidence huh? Perhaps you could start another thread about Djokovic where you can be safely ignored?

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posted Feb 7, 2008

svetlanainole AM and Mr Burns laugh

Don't quite see the resemblance myself. More like groundskeeper Willie without the beard perhaps?

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posted Feb 7, 2008

with or without muzza, argentina will sweep GB. probably if muzzah had decided to play, GB would have won a set LOL

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posted Feb 7, 2008

Mr Burns? Rubbish!

Andy Murray is Napolean Dynamite.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

Good comments Moody.

Why should brothers communicate about their professional life? I have a wonderful relationship with my brother and I don't tell him what I am doing. Sure, they are in the same team, but surely AM tells the coach, not the other members of the team.

Fed is not playing for Switzerland and I don't hear anyone criticizing him. I wonder if it was a match that GB had a reasonable chance of winning whether AM would take the risk. Reality is, GB playing Argentina on clay, in Argentina, is always going to produce only one result. Why take a risk with fitness for a lost cause?

Murray is a real talent but still young. Give the guy a go, is what I say.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

"I wonder if it was a match that GB had a reasonable chance of winning whether AM would take the risk."

I think he probably would have.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

"I wonder if it was a match that GB had a reasonable chance of winning whether AM would take the risk."

I think he probably would have.
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but probably it wouldnt have been on clay so then it wouldnt have cause the 'knee problem'

any away tie will cause us difficulties cause of clay. There are very few conturies in the world group who would not choose to play on clay when they draw GB. Belguim, Germany & USA are the only possible ones i think who might choose a differnt suirface.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

I dunno, France might well lay a grass court specially, just to laugh in our faces a bit more. smiley

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posted Feb 7, 2008

remember when we played oz with hewitt and phlipoo. They chose clay cause even tho they hate it they know GB hates it more!!

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posted Feb 7, 2008

Clay players often think grass is for cows.

GB players must think clay's just for pottery classes.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

I remember Ecuador beat us on grass.... sadface

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posted Feb 7, 2008

True it doesn't get much more insulting than offering up the 'Poo' on clay. laugh I forget, did he win?

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posted Feb 7, 2008

yes he beat alan mackin, straight sets i think.

oz picked clay cause they thought they'd face tim and greg, but ended up v boggo and mackin!! boggo only just made it back from injury himself for the tie!

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comment by SM (U1900149)

posted Feb 7, 2008

Let me see, what's more important, traveling to Arg to play in an antiquated tournament that very few people give a hoot about or taking care of yourself so you can does as best you can at singles which is your main priority?

I don't understand why there is this uproar, I really don't?

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posted Feb 7, 2008

In DC he’s meant to be representing his country – the country that funded his tennis development, incidentally – and he clearly doesn’t care that much.

That’s fine, his choice. So long as he remembers that the next time he wonders why he isn’t commanding the unconditional support of British fans.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

Did anyone else the the Question of Sport episode when the Murrays were on opposing teams? Although they tried to keep it light, Jamie made a few amusing comments that Andy did not like - there was definitely a bit of needle going on!

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posted Feb 7, 2008

The foul-mouthed loser has now said he will commit to the next GB match. It's about time the LTA told him to stick his offer and his attitude where the sun doesn't shine - Scotland!

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posted Feb 7, 2008

Totally agree with these comments and as for Federer not playing Davis Cup, he gets to the final of most events and has a number one ranking to maintain. I would think his country might forgive him bearing in mind the success he has attained and maintained. Don't think Andy Murray can yet be spoken of in the same breath. Is Djokovic not playing Davis cup this week, he has a lot of points to defend and has played a lot more tennis than AM,yet is prepared to put himself on the line again.

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comment by albert (U6379863)

posted Feb 7, 2008

HC, i didnt start this thread to criticize am.

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posted Feb 7, 2008

There is no tougher tie than Argentina away. Murray may well play the next few ties, but he really left his team in a hole when he deserted them for this tie.

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