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Wise move for Newcastle?

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posted Jan 29, 2008

There is understanably a lot of speculation, but we need to find out what Wise's role is exactly before we judge.

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posted Jan 29, 2008

Wise has been brought in as part of a structured football management team to include a vice chairman and technical director. Keegan will retain responsibility for the first team and player acquisitions. This is based upon developing a continental style structure at the club. We have to view this as positive and trust that it will soon begin to pay dividends.

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posted Jan 29, 2008

stop speculating and wait and see.. god hey i swear bbc are worse then the toon for worrying and speculating

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comment by vasilis (U8397050)

posted Jan 29, 2008

'So if Keegan hasn't made this appointment, what does that tell you about the owners of your club?'

IT SAYS EXACTLY THAT THE OWNERS WHO APPOINTED KK APPOINTED DW.SIMPLE.
ALSO SAYS THAT LEEDS HAVE INVESTED WISELY ON POYET AND WISE AND MADE MONEY BY LETTING THEM GO.
WHO'S LEFT?BASSET? ANY CUTE LITTLE JOB FOR HIM?

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posted Jan 29, 2008

Two weeks ago, Wise stands there spouting off that Jermaine Beckford would be daft to join Derby County as the Rams are nowhere near as bigger club as Leeds Utd. Two weeks later, he's off to Newcastle on the hypocrite express. IMO Leeds are a bigger club than Newcastle (not in a seating capacity view) but they have a higher profile than the Toon worldwide.

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comment by vasilis (U8397050)

posted Jan 29, 2008

, saying on Monday: "I am reluctant to tell you all I know as I really do not know everything. I just do not know enough about it."

That's just typical Keegan from the past.

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comment by Podpot (U9376343)

posted Jan 29, 2008

comment by AbergeleRed
posted Just Now

Two weeks ago, Wise stands there spouting off that Jermaine Beckford would be daft to join Derby County as the Rams are nowhere near as bigger club as Leeds Utd. Two weeks later, he's off to Newcastle on the hypocrite express. IMO Leeds are a bigger club than Newcastle (not in a seating capacity view) but they have a higher profile than the Toon worldwide.

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Have you considered that Beckford could already be sold ready for the summer, Fulham and Derby are the clubs being talked about, you may find Wise jumped before he quit......

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comment by bluevasilis
posted Just Now

, saying on Monday: "I am reluctant to tell you all I know as I really do not know everything. I just do not know enough about it."

That's just typical Keegan from the past.

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Thats correct, 'in the past' yesterday infact, like you pointed out!

treated with the contempt it deserved.....

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posted Jan 29, 2008

According to the Daily Mail, Wise's job is a desk one and he has tripled his salary. I feel so sorry for Leeds as he has done a splendid job for them and despite that 15 point deficit they are in real contention for promotion.
It appears that everyone can be bought and there is no integrity left in football.

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posted Jan 29, 2008

It is positive. We have got rid of wise and will be getting Gary McAllistair instead. Wahey!!

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posted Jan 29, 2008

heavy_metal_lion

That picture is hilarious...hahahaha

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posted Jan 29, 2008

Yeah he doesnt have any clue whats going on at NC...
The confusion has already begun...Keegan keegan keegan nothing changed some old losing team..and now he doesnt have any idea whats going on with wise...thats wise..

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posted Jan 29, 2008

Newcastle are going to lose again today with Arsenal..

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posted Jan 29, 2008

Personally being a Spurs fan I have always been a little in the dark over the D.O.F role anyway. At a club with a D.O.F system, the head coach would never appoint the D.O.F, its a board room decision. It will be Wises role to identify and attract new talent to the club along with overseeing the progress of reserve and youth development.

As long as there is clarity in who has what responsibility then it should be fine.

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posted Jan 29, 2008

Firstly, "It will be Wises role to identify and attract new talent to the club" in which case he needs to be tuned in to exactly what KK wants otherwsie he will not be bringing in the required sort of player.

Secondly, "It appears that everyone can be bought and there is no integrity left in football." If a rival company offered you a new job at 3x salary of your current would you not take it? Also he will be moving up to the Premiership which for an aspiring manager is the right way to go. I think a reality check is in order...

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posted Jan 29, 2008

comment by AbergeleRed
posted 52 Minutes Ago

Two weeks ago, Wise stands there spouting off that Jermaine Beckford would be daft to join Derby County as the Rams are nowhere near as bigger club as Leeds Utd. Two weeks later, he's off to Newcastle on the hypocrite express. IMO Leeds are a bigger club than Newcastle (not in a seating capacity view) but they have a higher profile than the Toon worldwide.
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Is that a joke?



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comment by U9563463

posted Jan 29, 2008

I wonder if Keegan has said this to the local radio:

'I would loveit , just love it... what Wise? who choose him... I would hate it, just hate it... what on earth I am now assistant to Alex Ferguson...'

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posted Jan 29, 2008

NCFC - Tony.
I am well aware of reality thanks, yes money always comes first doesn't it? But for Leeds to have won promotion under such difficult circumstances would have given me a greater buzz than going to a Prem Club where the management is so iffy .Leeds are good enough to get back to the Premiership in due course.

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posted Jan 29, 2008

Wise small short and with a fighting heart.all the way D.

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posted Jan 29, 2008

What the hell is going on?! Newcastle are becoming more & more of a laughing stock with every appointment/signing(or lack of!)
They're linked with all these so called 'stars' and the best they can come up with is Dennis Wise?! What exactly is he gonna do? Are they grooming him to become manager in a year or 2? Is he acting in the transfer market? Or is he a spy appointed by Mike Ashley to grass on KK's every move? A bit like Grant/Mourinho last season. I really don't think this is going to work and Newcastle are just making themselves look more and more stupid than they already do.
The only way to blemish this shambles is to spend 50m on 3/4 top class players. But i can't see that happening. I just can't take Newcastle seriously.

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posted Jan 29, 2008

Its unusual for a technical director to have no say in who the coach is. What interests me is, why Dennis Wise. There are people on the continent that actually specialise in the role, Arnesen did, Comolli did (love him or hate him). They have no interest in being a coach or manager. Look at the problems caused when Pleat did it at spurs, by undermining the manager, simply because he wanted to manage. Will Wise be able to resist ? and its not like he has a rep for resisting his implulses, as Callum Davidson will testify to.

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posted Jan 29, 2008

By this time next week, I expect Ken Bates to be Newcastle's Human Resources Manager.

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posted Jan 29, 2008

Newcastle fans said they wanted entertainment above everything else. So I think a bit of a mix up has happened and they have gone for the wrong type of entertainment as they have hired 2 clowns

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posted Jan 29, 2008

Very strange move to me this? Could maybe understand Wise going as Number Two but as Director of Football? He only had limited experience as a manager and normally its a more experienced person who takes that role on?
Are they saying he can identify players better than KK?
Does he have to approve all KK's proposed transfer targets?
Keegan said he didnt know much about it but Mort said he was fully aware? They seem on different wavelengths to begin with?

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posted Jan 29, 2008

Podpot, syop talking garbage.
Would you be happy at staff been brought in behind your back, if so oyu are a fool.
Keegan should have been told of the appointment, or it looks like Ashley is practically admitting he thinks Keegan is hopeless and he made a mistake in appointing him. Perhaps he(Ashley)sees Wise as the next Newcastle manager.

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posted Jan 29, 2008

rohansrider posted:

But for Leeds to have won promotion under such difficult circumstances would have given me a greater buzz.

Difficult circumstances? are you having a laugh? Take a look at Luton if you want difficult circumstances. Having multi-millions to spend on players in league one along with the premiership facilities is a million miles away from difficult circumstances, in fact considering all things your probably the best off club in league one.

So how about you drop the "hard done by" act, the "we're a big club" act because your not hard done by, you broke the rules and suffer the consequences like every other club, if you ask me you got off lightly like you always do with crowd trouble and so on. Neither are you a big club, your league one club, no club in league one is a big club, neither is any club in the championship a big club.

One act you can keep though is the "everybody hates us" act, that's spot on.

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posted Jan 29, 2008

dennis wise director of football! ha ha ha what a joke

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posted Jan 29, 2008

Newcastle are very much Like Britney Spears or Amy Winehouse....Your just waiting for the next time they do something utterly ridiculous.

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comment by Ruining (U855351)

posted Jan 29, 2008

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7215342.stm

Looks like even the bbc can't find a role for him.

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posted Jan 29, 2008

wisey must be somewhere rollin on the floor laughin, can't believe his luck. of all the people in the world, what in gods name made them go for wise, what are his credentials? its quite ridiculous.
as for the director of football, it's good work if u can get it, recommend some signings,if they are unknown, you look like a mastermind when they arrive, when they don't work out, and the manager gets the sack

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posted Jan 29, 2008

Chris Mort

"with his considerable energy and intelligence, we believe he will do very well in this new position"

What are they putting in the water up on Tyneside?

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posted Jan 29, 2008

Perhaps we've all under-estimated Ashley. He's quickly sussed out that appointing KK would be a huge PR success, but that KK probably isn't that good of a manager, once all the hype dies down ..... To that end, he's appointed Wise as an ' Overseer ' who will manage all the transfers and probably advise KK on 21st Century football as a whole ;-)

Amazing that KK didn't know Wise was coming to the Toon though .... still, that's the way they do things in Newcastle these days ..apparently .. ;-)

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comment by Andynod (U8563280)

posted Jan 29, 2008

Not wise at all! This is just another example of no loyalty in football. I'm an LFC fan but feel that Wise was doing good things at Leeds. For a club that has seen so many changes in the last 6 years this must be another kick in the teeth. To get a manager that was going to turn the points deduction into automatic promotion was the best thing that has happened for a long time. Surely Mr Wise would have shown himself to be a better person if he'd stayed at Leeds and continued his good work rather than run to hide behind Special K's coat tails getting paid triple his current wages??

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posted Jan 29, 2008

What makes me laugh is that a couple of weeks ago the whole debate was whether Newcastle were a big club or not- I would love to see what those that thought it was think now-fair play to Wisey though the cheeky cockney has struck gold!!What a joke!!lolololol

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posted Jan 29, 2008

One of the oddest decisions by a chairman ever. Someone with experience of the role possibly. But Dennis Wise ?!?

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comment by sid (U3723633)

posted Jan 29, 2008

never mind worrying about keegan and wise working together if i was a newcastle fan which im not i would be putting a question mark over the teams work ethic.

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posted Jan 29, 2008

More like Morcambe and Wise.

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posted Jan 29, 2008

There have been some odd decisions in football over the years, but surely the situation at Newcastle is really strange.

Allardyce getting sacked was obvious.
Appointing Keegan was peculiar, given that he has not won anything in football and has walked from his responsibilities more than once.
The clamour to give Shearer a role is misguided, but everyone thinks he's got a magic wand.

Now, NUFC appoint Dennis Wise to a position that is unknown.
Keegan didn't know he was coming, but it would seem that Wise may have more "power" than Keegan if he is to determine transfer policy.

We're only half way through the season, so what else is there to come?
I know Newcastle fans are loyal and will publicly back the owner and Keegan and possibly Wise's appointment, but I wonder what they REALLY think about this farce.

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comment by Dodgy2k (U9301461)

posted Jan 29, 2008

Like alot of people, who were slagging us off for not giving Allardyce time, give this time. It is surprising since he's not experienced etc, however's who's to say that "you need" an experienced person to do this position. Sometimes, an experienced person isnt better suited then an up and coming. Especially if you are trying to transfrom the club which i think Ashley is obviously trying to do.

(Im not one of the ones who wanted Allardyce out and thought he should have been given time (even though his football was crap).. ))

Ashley knows what he doing, he's not an idiot,and doesnt become a billionaire being one .

Keegan, i believe, knows whats going on. You cant run a club from the start without trust and being given some kind of plan for what they both (chairman and manager) want to achieve.

Give it time, then judge. I think thats what the majority of supporters are now (thankfully) prepared to give and do.

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posted Jan 29, 2008

I dont know whether its a wise move for wise or not but one thing is for sure and that is NC are going to lose today AGAIN...KK will do nothing new and the wise guy will add nothing special..wierd stuff have already started happeninig...Arsenal are beating newcastle 5 today

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posted Jan 29, 2008

Very strange decision from both wise and Newcastle, just can't see it working. Clearly wise has gone for the money, and maybe didn't have the confidence he could cut it without poyet, but other than a nice pay day can't see this doing his career anything but harm. As for Newcastle, anyone else think keegan looked a bit peeved at the press conference? How much he did or didn't know about it, it Clearly wasn't his choice and whilst I really don't rate him as a manager why would you undermine him before he's even got his seat warm?


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posted Jan 29, 2008

Apparently Wise was fed up at Leeds due to the commuting from London where he lives with his family.
With his Newcastle role (?) it seems he can work most of the time from London.
Sounds like a winner to me.

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posted Jan 29, 2008

I cant help feeling that Wise is a big mistake for Newcastle. He's a time bomb waiting to go off. Likewise Joey Barton.....and Kevin Keegan doesnt exactly hold back either..

That old blue touch paper is alight.....best stand back and await the resulting display!!!

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posted Jan 29, 2008

Has a boro fan I should be laughing,but I am not.With all the loyal fans NC have,and the support they give to their club,they do not need all this agro.I am sorry to say but the club is going into meltdown.What, with keegan coming as a last chance hero and the great sheeeeera showing where is real feeling are,and its not with NC.The new owner has made it even better and caused even more confusion by bringing in Wise to make kk look a fool.I know I dont come from Newcastle,so can some fan please let us all know what is going on.

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posted Jan 29, 2008

You have to look at the overall scheme of things alongside wise you have got Real Madrids scout and basically a negotiator each on their own maybe very uncertain decisions But together they look like a very good team.

Newcastle needs a good youth scheme and if they do what they plan to do and bolster the youth set up with some good buys and scouting then in a few years time they will feed the team.

I can see what Mike Ashley is trying to do and I think and hope that they can change the club for the better and at least threaten the 6 top clubs!

As for wise everybody is quick to call Newcastle crazy but everybody deserves their chance and I do not think Ashley or Keegan would be there if they do not think it will work.

Same with Barton Keegan has stuck by him and he will change for the better over the rest of the season, you watch. Wise will bring a distinct knowledge and eagerness to suceed to the club, you are all talking as if he has no brains yet to be successful not only as a player but as a manager as well he will have the desire to succeed which he has demonstrated time and time again. Give them a chance before you all talk negative about what is going on.

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posted Jan 29, 2008

I think Wise has been brought in to make sure KK doesn't do another Asprilla...

I just hope Wise isn't in charge of looking after the players on a night out, because soon they could all end up playing for HM Walton FC with Mr. Barton...

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posted Jan 29, 2008

wooohahahahahahaahah the circus continues y i man it aint getin any beta!!!!

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posted Jan 29, 2008

Well the news out now is that Bassett has gone, so no so called management for the team in their game today, whatever next. Leeds never seem to have anything in their favour at all. I hope DW is happy with himself, afterall it must have been difficult to hide behind the person that really made the team, he just ended up being exposed for what he really is, a total waste of space

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posted Jan 29, 2008

comment by babypink2807
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he just ended up being exposed for what he really is, a total waste of space
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Not very much space. 4ft 11 ins of it.

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posted Jan 29, 2008

The manager should decide who is on the staff in a coaching/scouting/youth development etc role and it seems that Keegan doesn't really know just what Wise will even be doing!

As long as Keegan remains in charge, it will be fine and I'm sure he will as he knows whats what.

But if the board are making these strange decisions that we see unsettle football clubs, then it's the beginning of imbalance within the club.

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