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posted Nov 22, 2007

Fundamental failure from the pitch to the board room.

Its been wrong for a while and I for one am glad its come to this, England have no passion or heart, fans and players alike (We will never get the passion shown at hampden from a middle/upper class corporate Wembley tea party).

Not under any circumstance do we deserve to qualify after some of the worst lackluster showings I have ever seen so far in this campaign.

Greed has killed the English game(the true fans who stand and sing with passion have been priced out) the pride passion and glory has gone, now its all about the money (though sky tinted specs) the FA have sold are sport and made a business, they should be bloody ashamed but what do they care their pockets are bursting(Just paid off McClaren 2.5 million), just made a load from some NFL game that wrecked are pitch.

"world class" operators "Golden generation" the players lap it up giving them the bloody nerve to let out autobiography's on top of there 100K a week salary's, they get 150k each for this joke of a campaign that along with there 1500 per appearance free should go directly to charity no way should they be paid for this insult of a performance.

We have lads right now in Helmand province who show more pride and commitment in the little toes they some times have to fight around the clock they get 13-14k a Year.

Bring on the five nations, maybe it will be a humbling experience for players and fans to be a taught a lesson by the likes off Scotland and
Northern Ireland.

NO PLAYER SHOULD TAKE MONEY FOR PLAYING FOR YOUR COUNTRY .

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posted Nov 22, 2007

Taught a lesson by Northern Ireland or Scotland. Yeah, right....
England are paying the price of the terrible decision to give McDonut the job in the first place. Barwick should resign after sacking McDonut. Let's have a measured approach now - the farce of Scolari is still fresh in the memory - and appoint the right man this time. Good riddance McDonut, you were never up to filling the role.

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comment by Dazz (U8743394)

posted Nov 22, 2007

A very insightful comment from one of my friends who lives abroad...

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England do not deserve to qualify, period. Their failure is not down to lack of world class players but the failure of the FA to appoint the right man for the job of managing the 3 lions. There is an abundance of English talent right through the premier league. The problem is the FA's inability to find the man with the right calibre to mould all that talent into a winning team. I win the world cup every weekend on my PS with England, I wonder why they cant do it in real life.

Steve Mclaren simply doesn't have the pedigree to manage England. His only claim to fame was being number two to Sir Alex and winning the league cup with Boro. His teams have always lacked character and any semblance of tactical discipline. The man is so clueless that he is waiting for the FA to boot him. It is not entirely his fault though. The lion share must go to the press.

The English tabloids are guilty of creating a false world of illusion about their football. They claim that the 3 lions are the best in the world and they are favourites to win every tournament they have entered since 1966 (They have not won a single trophy since then). They were responsible for unsettling Sven, whose record as England manager is only second to Sir Bobby post 1966. He qualified England for all the major tourneys under him. His major problems began when he started allowing public opinion to dictate his squad selection. England is the only country where 2 goals in four weeks and an ability to run 100m with or without the ball in 10 secs guarantees you a call up to the next squad example Dyer and Walcott. The English have no idea what it takes for a player to be an international. In serious countries like Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy and France, playing well every weekend does not even guarantee a call up. A player must have the right temperament, fit into the managers plan and that special talent that is not a monopoly of players playing for glamorous clubs. That is why players like Gilberto, Dilivio, Sampaio, Sorin etc became internationals and cornerstones in they successes of their national teams.The likes of Thuram, Makalele and Song still command places in their national teams because experience is a vital quality needed at international level even when you don't play week in week out.

It drives me nuts to hear pple say that Stevie G and Lamps cant play together. That is another creation of the press. Germany at one time had Moeller, Mathaus and Hassler in the same team....they won the world cup. Its the ability of the manager to fashion out a system where both can flourish. The national team is no tea party. England need business minded players in the team. Apart from Rooney, Terry,Beckham and sometimes Stevie G, they never play like it means anything to them. I'l pick Carragher ahead of Rio any day because of his never say die attitude. The press needs to back off and let the manager do his selection.

What England need now is a manager who knows his onions, a man that can stand his ground, instill discipline and make them winners. Too bad the press drove away scolari before he even signed. The way i see it, they either turn to Sir Bobby, who has the pedigree and experience to get them ready for the world cup OR they go for the special 1(he needs no introduction). Long term i would think they should go for their ex-internationals. Tony Adams/Stuart Pearce are my dream pairng. Both are winners, strong willed individuals with the experience to make a difference. Adams has been number two at Portsmouth for two seasons now and their results are there for all to see. He has had extensive spells at Italy and Holland. Pearce is inspirational and he works very well yougsters. Klinsmann has done it, Donadoni, Van Basten and now Dunga. There is no reason why they cant make England a team to be reckoned with in 2010.





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posted Nov 22, 2007

Redknapp?.......

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posted Nov 22, 2007

I cannot honestly believe that Barwick, after annoucing to the world he was going to Portugal to meet with their head coach Scolari, as their nation was getting themselves ready for the World Cup, and was subsequently jilted as you wrote, is going to have another crack at getting the right man??!!!

Im sorry but this man has absolutely no credentials to be picking Englands next national coach, he was only brought in to use his knowledge of the Television world to great effect for England and hes done that.

Im not even surprised that Barwick is going to be choosing the next manager, it was his hasty appointment of McClown that was the whole problem in the first place, but this is the FA where mediocracy is truly rewardeddoh

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posted Nov 22, 2007

Ill tell you what justice is...

Charging the FA the 1 BILLION this country will lose from not being in the championship. That would make them get a proper manager next time around and perhaps sack the idiots that head the FA

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posted Nov 22, 2007

I heard a Croatian fan on the radio today expressing amazement that our media was saying they had nothing to play for last night. He said every player was playing for their country and the privilege that brought with it. What a difference to the team of so called super stars. Gerrards performace was insult and he should hold his head in shame, as should others (I think I could have got past Bridge last night)--but we know they wont and will continue to ythink they are world beaters when the truth is we simply aren't good enough.

Well done to Croatia--they thoroughly deserved to win and outplayed us throughout the match. I for one found myself willing them to score the third if only to make changes happen. But even so I ahve no confidence that muppet man barwick has any idea and the FA Board are simply a joke----how mnay of them I ask will be on the plane to South africa to hear the World Cup draw--and why????

At least Scotland went down fighting--we simply rolled over which

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posted Nov 22, 2007

zooboo55, wise words indeed.

The other debate that was linked to this article contained a lot of threads accusing England fans of thinking that we have a divine right to be in major tournaments. As an England fan, I believe no such thing. Any team must qualify on its merits. England simply haven't been good enough. True, player-for-player, England SHOULD qualify for every major tournament with ease, but these players rarely seem to perform for their country. Maybe it's because 1500 to play for your country is considered by them to be a pittance, given that they are being paid (not earning) vast sums to play for their clubs. These players are not driven by pride, they are driven by greed, and playing for their country does not come out as a lucrative-enough option.

Back to the vacant manager's position; Mourinho would be a good candidate, as would O'Neill (who I always felt should've got the job ahead of McClaren). At present, there isn't an English manager good enough to manage England. Nationality should be no barrier, the best man must get the job.

I also like the idea of a football 'five nations'. Some of the other home nations, NI and Scotland in particular, have excelled themselves in the Euro qualifying, well done to them. On present form, I fear that England will fare badly in such a tournament to these teams, and deservedly so.

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comment by Tony_D (U6069886)

posted Nov 22, 2007

I can't see the problem. England were brilliant last night and McLaren is the perfect manager. Why sack him??

I mean, when you play for England, or manage England, you are "representing" your country, are you not?

Well just take a look around. Read your newspapers, watch your TV screens, observe the place in which you work. Give our society a quick once over.

My point is that the England football setup from top to bottom, FA, Manager, Players, are all a perfect representation of this country. They exemplify everthing that England, as a nation, is about.

I for one am proud of the brave lads who went out onto that rain soaked field last night and took on the responsibility of showing the world how far into mediocrity this country has sunk, not just in football but in every possible way.

Bravo to each and every one of them I say, Bravo.

New Manager? Oh,don't need one, let the players form a Quango and select themeselves, much easier.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

At last and end to the fans suffering. Will the FA finally listen to the fans and bring in someone that is going to run the team without allowing himself to be a yes man to the FA. Jose or Martin O'Neil would be my choice. O'Neil should have got it last time round. Please get it right Barwick, dont let either of these 2 turn the job down, even if it means paying through the roof in the managers wages to finally get things back on track.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

I agree, players shouldn't be given money for playing for their country (they get enough as it is anyway). Possibly a reward for winning but nothing more.

It annoys me that the passionate fans who could possibly raise the atmosphere have been priced out of Wembely, and as far as I'm concerned every single ticket for every single Wembley match should be subsidised by McClarans pay off. Or they simlpy reduce ticket prices, what a crazy idea that is.

Anyway back on topic, totally agree with McNulty, go for Mourinho, we can't look any worse than we already do so if he were to turn us down we'd just have to deal with it. Someone like Mourinho would be perfect, although he has already said (and fair play to him for being honest) he's not sure what he would do if he was England boss and came up against Portugal, as we so often do!

On the flip side, he might love the chance to win a World Cup (lots of work to do with England to even come close) but then he probably knows that he will get his chance to manage Portugal at some point.

O'Neil is the next best option but how is he going to feel after being shunned by the FA in May 06 and now quite clearly 2nd choice to Mourinho...?

Throw whatever Mourinho wants at him and hope he takes us on!

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posted Nov 22, 2007

Barwick should resign with immediate effect. He's got to take responsability for our faliure!! You can;t always just blame the manager !! Bring on Jose !!!

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posted Nov 22, 2007

twinW3BOY doh

do you honestly think you would beat scotland right now erm

look deep within the shambles of an institution that is the FA, fans and team with with less that 1% of the passion and commitment that our fans and team show. scotland is a football nation on the up and it appears, for the meantime anyway, that english football is in terminal decline. without the money it would already be a dodo ok

BRING IT ON winkeye

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posted Nov 22, 2007

I think they should be called the 3 cubs, not 3 lions.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

Of course Mourhino should be a serious consideration. Not only is he a proven winner, his can adapt his tactics, and more importantly, is not afraid to drop underperforming players.

I would not go for O'Neill, I think his reputation has been tarnished by his welcomed his appointment with open arms - Now I am not so sure.

Allardyce and Curbishly? No different to McClaren in my view - Neither has succeeded at club level, let alone international.

No, we need a recognised proven talent - I think it would be remiss not to offer it to Wenger and Ferguson - Even if the chances of them taking it is remote - That is the calibre of person we need.

Mourhino, Capello, Lippi, All are good, realistic targets.

One thing is absolutely clear to me. If you are going to give these people 4 year contracts, then you write in clauses that the FA retain the option to sack without recompense should we fail to qualify for a major tournament. Any manager that refuses to sign up to that obviously has no courage of his conviction and should not be considered anyway.

We also need to give the FA time. Even if that means appointing a caretaker manager until after the Euros. We absolutely cannot rush into this, and we do not need to have the right man in place until next summer. Let wait for the right talent to become available and not just take what is there now.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

BTW with everyone talking about the next England manager, can i just first take Arsene Wengers name out of the hat.

Was in the pub last night with a few mates, and all they kept saying was how brilliant it would be if the FA hired Wenger.

Three reasons why this wont happen

1:He hates international football, he thinks its beneath him, and quite frankly i agree.

2:He doesnt get on with the FA

3:He never breaks a contract, and his Arsenla one runs till 2011.

I think in the medium term Mourinho will make a good manager, he knows our league, our overzealous and hypocritical media, our deluded supporters, and after being fined or censoured many times he should know the FA quite well.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

Roy Hodgson.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

So now, we are for a foreign manager???? I said it so many times. England will NEVER win anything as long as the press and media keeps putting pressure on the manager.

Now BArwick is wrong. When he took Erikson, everyone was going on and on about how wrong he was....bla bla because the manager of the england team SHOULD be british!!!!!!

So, he got Mclaren.!!!!! Was it not what the England fans and media wanted?????? Now, again he is wrong!!!!!!

Now,what happening????we don't care if the next manager is NOT English anymore????? Do fans NOW want Jose or Scolari??????????




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posted Nov 22, 2007

SORRY IF THIS DRIVES PEOPLE NUTS BUT GERRARD AND LAMPARD CANT PLAY TOGETHER....FACT....ITS NOT ABOUT THE MANAGER GETTING A SYSTEM THAT FITS BOTH OF THEM AND ALLOWS THEM TO SHINE....THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY SYSTEMS IN FOOTBALL.
BRIDGE OUT, LESCOTT OUT, CAMPBELL OUT, BECKHAM OUT.....BARWICK OUT.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

You need to go for someone who wants it, and someone who can command respect and has tasted success in some form before. This alone, combined with his tactical ineptness, should have ruled out McClaren from the outset.

I would also choose Mourinho, but only just over Capello. FC wants it, he's a good manager, who can get a team to win things. We should give up on this 'we need to play attractive football' lark, they only get together as a team rarely, so just winning is about all we can hope for. Jose has the ability, the respect and the tactical nouse and balls to do it, he has the whole package, but what edges it for me, is that he has total respect already from Terry and Lamps, very important England players, and this is key.

Both would have the balls to drop a Lamps or a Gerrard if needs be. I'd go with it, even being a Liverpool fan, if he dropped Stevie and we won. All i want is a bit of glory for my country, and I reckon these 2 could make it happen.

Maverick outsider would be a Peter Reid/ Ian Wright combo, can you imagine the passion in those team talks!

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posted Nov 22, 2007

Mourinho would not only get the players working as a team, he'd be able to handle the british press too. That's going to be a hugh factor in the selection because whoever gets picked is gunna get ripped to shreds.
Personally I don't think anyone could do a great job with us. I know bad workmen blame their tools. But Our players are certainly a bunch of them...

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comment by albert (U6379863)

posted Nov 22, 2007

i follow football from a disappointment and still was mildly shocked at yesterday's results.

everyone is blaming the FA, the Manager, the players etc.. are the fans blaming themselves for the state of affairs?

you fans are perfectly willing to pay overpriced tickets and watch your clubs and thereby primarily contributing to the overheated economy that is english football.

you fans are today castigating the english team for their performance yesterday,but when the league games start, the same fans will go back to supporting their clubs and calling the very same players as the next thing to god.

its not the press, the fa, the players.. its the fans who are buying into everything that is dished to them that has created this situation

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posted Nov 22, 2007

Sir Clive Woodwood, said he could coach any team to win a World Cup. I hear he isn't doing anything at the moment apart from upseting Elite sportsmen and women getting ready for the Olympics.

I don't care who it is as long as they are the Best Persom for the job. Not some Wannabe

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posted Nov 22, 2007

bye bye steve.just go and get jose we need him and lets get some believe back in these players.and start looking at other players to play for this team.from a life long stags fan.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

laughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaugh,Total class trust the FA to make a crisis out of a drama, well only in England.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

Help us Jose Mourinho you're our only hope! NO REALLY ENGLAND WANT AND NEED YOU!

Lets hope the press stay off his back long enough to let him get the job done. One more thing to the FA: GIVE HIM TIME AND LET HIM DO IT HIS WAY!

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posted Nov 22, 2007

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posted Nov 22, 2007

serves mcclaren right for dropping robinson...

egg on your face steve.

maybe it was a personal tactical plan to get 2.5million and not have to work; he may have just realised his chances of winning the lottery were rather bleak, so thought this a better idea.

got to hand it to him, carson just won him a fortune!

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posted Nov 22, 2007

I heard a fan say after the game "We do need someone English..... like O'Neil!" Er, he's Irish and hence foreign to England. What's worse, he's a foreigner with little or no European experience.

England (and Scotland, Wales and The Irish) HAVE to play in a European and World Stage, there is no Premiership style games and it's folly to think England can win tournaments playing in Summer tournaments winning 4-3 with storming up and back games from the likes of Gerrard.

We need a) Jose Mourinho or simply b) a European Coach with a proven history at either international or TOP-LEVEL European Football. Not O'Neil, Not Shearer, Not Allerdyce, Not Pearce not ANYONE of that ilk.

Finally, we need to accept that the style of football England currently plays, even when we play well, will not get us anywhere. We need a fundamental change to the players ethos and approach to internationals.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

Forget Mourinho! laugh

He does not want to manage any teams at an international level until he wants to manage Portugal from 2016.

Why is no-one mentioning Terry Butcher, Bryan Robson or David Platt!?

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posted Nov 22, 2007

As long as there are grey suited amateurs enjoying the perks of the job for doing very little and the players are motivated by money and arrogance alone there will be no promised land whoever gets the job. Until there is a realisation that England are not wordldbeaters and at present are not even ordinary the building cannot begin. The one big problem is Who would want the job when they see who the bosses are? Self respect will see a few turn it down.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

Get in Mourinho and bring back regular matches between the home nations we could call it the 5 nations... England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Northern Ireland. At least it'd give the players match practice together. Oh sorry it's not a new idea RUGBY have had it for years and Engladn reach semi-finals and win world cups in that sport!

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posted Nov 22, 2007

I agree tactically Mourinho might be a wise choice but there is a need for a manager who will not have any "issues" with players. Im talking of Maureen's statement about his untouchables at Chelsea. Well quite frankly no one should be an untouchable in the England team not least the so called golden generation who so abjectly failed last night and im talking particularly of Lampard, Gerrard, Cole who were part of a midfield that went awol for the evening.
We do not need untouchables in the England team, we've had that, with their WAGS, for the past 6 years. Im a Liverpool fan but I think Gerrard was pants yesterday. Apart from his brilliant penalty I didnt know Lampard was even playing! Cole kept trying to do silly things instead of keeping possession. Goodbye to the lot of them.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

a regular * basis* , that should say above.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

At present, there just is no credible english candidate for the job. Among the Brits only Martin O'Neill stands out. There is a long period until the next truly competitive game and the way is clear for appointing a foreigner without any sense of shame.

I'd go for Mourinho on a good salary and big bonuses for getting beyond the quarter finals of the 2010 world cup, but in the meantime I'd also give him carte blanche for poking his nose in wherever he likes and coming up with proposals for the 'root and branch' reform of the game in the UK. He is capabale of doing that as well as tough enough - the FA clearly can't do it for themselves. A contract that runs until the end of the 2010 world cup would probably suit both and give Mourinho plenty of time to go back into club management.

My point is that to manage the English football team at this moment may not be enough to tempt Mourinho, but the opportunity to re-structure it could appeal to him enormously.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

It is blatantly obvious who should be the next England managers.....

The chief football writers of the newspapers - after all they are ALWAYS right and instantly know where the England team go wrong !!!

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posted Nov 22, 2007

- THE FA ARE AN ABSOLUTE JOKE!
- 4 year contract????????
- McClaren's CV was already rubbish, most Boro fans didn't like him and he seems to be living off his reputation as a coach at Man Utd
- Nearly everyone knew this was a disaster waiting to happen
- IT SHOWS IT'S NOT WHAT YOU KNOW, IT'S WHO YOU KNOW AND MCLAREN OBVIOUSLY DONE A LOT OF BROWN-NOSING TO GET THAT JOB!
- At the same time I feel sorry for the bloke, he's an England supporter and tried his best, but all except the FA seems to know that his best wouldn't be good enough
- England not qualifying is a disgrace, the FA should hang their heads in shame and then make a sharp exit

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posted Nov 22, 2007

If you look closely at Murhino and chelski..I would bet part of his leaving was to undertake not to work for any English club for the next N number of years. I wouldn't imagine he just walked away from the Richest Russian alive today. He is probably in hiding for his life. He isn't going to manage Engerland. Neither is O Neill so stupid to take it on after last year. ...You cant say give us a top class manager and then say but not one who plays defensively..Winning no matter how you do it should be enough. If I were you guys I'd be rooting for an Italian.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

I am not sure O'Neill should be rushed into this, or any manager that has not proven he can take, let's say, Aston Villa and put it into top 4. O'Neill has not done that yet, so other candidates should be ahead of him.
My order:
Mourinho / Lippi / Scolari / Capello.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

Jose Mourinho laughlaughlaughlaughlaugh what makes you think Mourinho wants the job he had to put up with Abramovich and you want him to put up with the FAlaughlaughlaugh

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posted Nov 22, 2007

What makes you think martin o'neil would take the job now?!

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posted Nov 22, 2007

laugh

Nice one Tone!

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posted Nov 22, 2007

Ebbsfleet have the right idea. Sell 2 million shares at 10 a share and then let the 2 million select the squad, team and formation. Perhaps then we may win something, especially considering everyone knows what needs doing !!!

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posted Nov 22, 2007

I have never understood why the FA don't insert a clause into ANY managers contract that 'if you fail to qualify - you walk.' No payouts. That's the minimum REQUIRMENT for an England team.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

There's still not the slightest sign that the FA recognises the massive scale of the task. Barwick this morning talked about root-and-branch reform * of the senior england team*. That doesn't even begin to adress what's needed : root-and-branch change across our national footballing organisation from top to bottom , to finally meet the years of empty FA promises on improving the level of technical development across the game, where our kids are * still * not getting anything like the level of skills training of they need on a regular basis. The years of empty FA promises on establishing national centres of excellence also have to be addressed *now*. If none of this happens, this will have been a wasted opportunity, and we'll be waiting another 40 years for a trophy.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

Stuart Pearce!!

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posted Nov 22, 2007

NO MOURINHO. IT WILL MEAN WAYNE BRIDGE AND LAMPARD STARTING EVERY GAME.
NO NO NO!

btw, carson is the rinse.

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comment by robisme (U8446972)

posted Nov 22, 2007

"Why is no-one mentioning Terry Butcher, Bryan Robson or David Platt!?",

Because they have done sod-all too, we need experience not guys still learning the job. There is no English manager good enough or Irish or Scott or Welsh.

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posted Nov 22, 2007

To all of you calling for Mourinho - I am on your side but have my doubts it will actually happen.

But the FA must at least ask. Jose, as we all know, has an ego and he may just want to come back and answer a few people who sent him on his way from Chelsea in less than complimentary fashion.

Will he want it? Who knows?

Will the FA persuade him? They should at least try.

And maybe lurking in the back of Barwick's mind is the feeling that if he pulled that off all previous sins would be forgiven.

Just watch out though. Someone on the FA board may worry he has just a bit too much to say for himself.

Mourinho for me - but sadly I am not holding my breath.

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