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Burnt out or moaning minnies?

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comment by keek (U6846602)

posted Nov 1, 2007

6th game in 18 days....and? what's the problem?
1.5 hours of 'work' every 3 days...<steam>

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posted Nov 1, 2007

May be all EPL Managers should rotate Key Players like Rafa. Had there not been a rotation policy at Liverpool, Gerald could have sustained a season ending injury between the stress of Playing for a big club like Liverpool and a great nation like England.

All big 4 Managers should protect the top English National Team playsers via squad rotations.

Rafa is not a fool after all the blames.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

these guys are on 100k..a week; go and speak to the thousands of mums and dads who struggle to look after kids etc and would jointly love to earn that in 3 years. Burn out; stop whinging and get on with it. If the top lads are not keen on the work I suggest that they give up football and do a proper job!!!!

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posted Nov 1, 2007

Is this a wind up <erm>

1st rotation now playing to much <doh>

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posted Nov 1, 2007

I do think some players are affected by physical burnout more than others, like fast bowlers in cricket, box to box midfielders like Stevie G and most rugby players. But some common sense could go along way to solving the problem. Why Benitez felt the need to give Gerrard his 6th game in 18 days i don't know; it was the entry round of the Carling Cup against mediocre championship opposition! I'd have been far happier seeing a youth player in there getting some experience and us losing while Gerrard gets a rest. Like most fans, i don't care about the Carling Cup. And yet Benitez claimed the reason he was leaving Torres out of vital Prem games when he was on fire earlier in the season is coz he wants him fresh at the end of the year?! STUPIDITY!

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posted Nov 1, 2007

Don't forget all the training they have to do. Admittedly it seems like easy work to most people- myself included- but surely that ammount of physical strain on the body is not healthy.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

less we forget, gerrard was taken off against everton so he got a rest then

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posted Nov 1, 2007

The instinctive response might be to have little sympathy for our lavishly-paid sports stars.

But the bottom line is that most of us want our national teams to thrive.

And the current schedules for our elite performers in football, rugby union and cricket are working against that aim.

Premiership players are getting four times as many injuries as players in European leagues that have a winter break, according to Uefa.

Perhaps it's little surprise that England's fittest player at the last World Cup was Owen Hargreaves - who enjoyed a winter break with Bayern Munich - even though he had played more games than either Steven Gerrard or Wayne Rooney.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

Steven will only see Burn-Out as a failure to his club. He loves Liverpool so much he would play every day if he got the chance to.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

Gerald lack match form and that is why he played in the carling Cup yesterday. The # of games played have nothing to do with fitness. That is no easy call for any Manager.

If the EPL can't help its top players rest, it is a competitive disadvantage compared to other leagues.

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comment by Rob (U7927081)

posted Nov 1, 2007

Not healthy? whats unhealthy is a 22 year old earning 5 million a year and complaining that he's "tired"!

Grow up ya bunch of nancies, ply your trade for a decent wage and then complain about the hours - if your getting 1million a year +, then shut up and get on with it.

Lets not forget the fact these guys retire when their what, 34/35? how many of us working joe's can say the same?

some people....

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posted Nov 1, 2007

Just to clarify... four times as many injuries in April and May...!

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posted Nov 1, 2007

I would've thought part of the reason for there being more chance of injury towards the end of an English season than abroad is because we play an extra cup competition. Scrap the league cup (for top sides in europe at least) which would reduce fixture congestion early in the season and move a few of the games from the Xmas/New Year period to earlier in the season.

I've always thought it was stupid cramming so many games into the Xmas/New Year period. There's a much greater chance of postponement round then for a start which is bad for fans and players, pitches will be harder leading to more injuries and it must be tiring for the players, and lower the quality of matches. I think the winter break idea is probably a good one, but not if they're going to use it as an excuse for our poor performances in international tournaments. Players who play in other countries have been just as poor in recent years, e.g. Ronaldinho at the last world cup.

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comment by Mani (U9559519)

posted Nov 1, 2007

Personally I'd like to see all teams that play in Europe not entered into the Carling Cup at all.

That's potentially 4-5 games less for the top clubs where most of the England Players are but still the opportunity for everyone else to win a cup, yes it would devalue it a bit but it's better than shrinking the Premiership which is frankly unthinkable to most fans.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

Rob_United,
You are comparing Apples and Oranges.
How many working Joes including Lumber Jack Joes have the presurre F-Ball stars deal with.

Every step is micro-managed by the media. I will turn down the millions for that kind of preasure.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

I think we should get rid of the Coca-Cola cup.

All other countries have one cup and i think this helps.

2 cups is too many and i think that just the FA cup would suffice.

I would hate to have a winter break as it is hell in the summer when we don't have any football on.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

Simon Austin - BBC Sport

Perhaps it's little surprise that England's fittest player at the last World Cup was Owen Hargreaves - who enjoyed a winter break with Bayern Munich - even though he had played more games than either Steven Gerrard or Wayne Rooney.
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Don't know about enjoying a winter break, didn't he suffer a leg break?

How have you arrived at the conclusion that he played more than Rooney or Gerrard? Seems unlikely but I'll happily be proved wrong Simon. <ok>

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posted Nov 1, 2007

Well the Scottish FA and SPL have agreed to postpone both Old Firm games prior to Scotland playing Italy in the final group game. I dont see why you lot cant do something along these lines?

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posted Nov 1, 2007

A couple of options present themselves:

Why not stop and team in Europe from entering players registered for Europe from playing in the League Cup?

Reduce the Premiership by 2 teams. I know it's never going to happen simply because of the money involved, but it would be the easiest solution to the problem.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

More whinging and whining from our overpaid prima donnas. Do they play any more games than players in successful teams in the sixties who played more league games, the same number of FA cup games together with internationals? Admittedly there was no Carling Cup then and the European competitions were all knock-out, but there were no substitutes so they had to play the whole 90 minutes of every game. Pitches were heavier and training/diet not so sophisticated. Just get on with it lads, stop moaning and think yourselces lucky.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

Two teams can be cut from the EPL without its quality being adversely affected. It'd seriously affect cash flow, though, and money talks the loudest.

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comment by itenary (U5347691)

posted Nov 1, 2007

Why is it only the British player who suffer?

Surely the foreign players (Essien, Drogba, Torres, Kuyt, Fabregas, Ronaldo, etc etc) so it levels the playing field as everyone suffers, not just the Brits. And as people regularly complain that there are too many foreigners in the teams then it's the foreigners who get tired and it doesn't affect the British national teams.

Bobby Moore played over 70 games in the 65/66 season, on worse pitches, with worse tackling being permitted, with less pampering and inferior diets. I don't recall him being burnt out.

Also, isn't it the whole point of having squads? Look at Arsenal, they rested 11 players against Sheffield Utd and still won comfortably. If Liverpool and Chelsea have to play their best players to scrape through at home to championship sides then they are doing something wrong somewhere.

Football is gradually losing its soul in this country. Winter break would be another blow.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

Gerrard's biggest problem is the back strain caused by carrying the rest of his mediocre teammates around on his back.

Agree with emohawk88 about reducing the Premiership by 2 teams .... can i nominate Chelsea & Tottenham.

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comment by Rob (U7927081)

posted Nov 1, 2007

"How many working Joes including Lumber Jack Joes have the presurre F-Ball stars deal with."

@ PhillyLpoolFan
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I agree it's a high pressure job, which is why earns they earn the big bucks.

What you seem to be suggesting is that not ONLY should they get the millions of pounds, they should also be molly-coddled and have the pressure removed from them - thus making them even more spoilt.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

What a surprise a survey round a workplace and the people want more time off, send a survey round where I work and 100% of people would say they want more time off.

Get a grip, footballers are handsomely paid, teams have squad players to use to give players a break its all part of managing a team, the manager should monitor players and rest them if he thinks they are carrying a niggle.

We played Arsenal's second 11 last night while all their first team had the day off, in fact they even brought ona player numbered 43 or 48 either way thats 4 squads they could muster up if needed, so No footballers shouldn't have a winter break the clubs should manage this and thats that.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

Agree with emohawk88 about reducing the Premiership by 2 teams .... can i nominate Chelsea & Tottenham.
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Wrong but funny. One of those teams is almost volunteering themselves anyway with the shambles that has been their season so far.

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comment by Rob (U7927081)

posted Nov 1, 2007

Agree with emohawk88 about reducing the Premiership by 2 teams .... can i nominate Chelsea & Tottenham.
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Wrong but funny. One of those teams is almost volunteering themselves anyway with the shambles that has been their season so far.
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Oh cmon Mr Blue burns, Chelsea havn't been THAT bad...

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posted Nov 1, 2007

S13 Wizzzaaaard !
posted Just Now

What a surprise a survey round a workplace and the people want more time off, send a survey round where I work and 100% of people would say they want more time off.
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Perhaps they should be pay as you play. Afterall, I don't get a 2 or 3 month holiday, paid. Do you?

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comment by Dado (U6366932)

posted Nov 1, 2007

Moaning Minnies!

<ok>

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posted Nov 1, 2007

Regardless of how much they are paid the simple fact is that they are not burning themselves out, all this is just rubbish. They have to play a couple of times a week and train a couple of times a week, if this meant we all burned out then local league players, such as myself, would be dropping dead every 2 minutes in april when we are playing 4-5 games a week to fill in for postponed fixtuers. And thats after going to work. The only reason the players feel more burned out is because they are told from such a young age that if they play more than 90 mins a week they will be burned out. Its just an excuse

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posted Nov 1, 2007

Rob_UnitedXI
posted 1 Minute Ago

Agree with emohawk88 about reducing the Premiership by 2 teams .... can i nominate Chelsea & Tottenham.
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Wrong but funny. One of those teams is almost volunteering themselves anyway with the shambles that has been their season so far.
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Oh cmon Mr Blue burns, Chelsea havn't been THAT bad...
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<star>

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posted Nov 1, 2007

Just get rid of the League Cup.

It's a tournament that most of the big Prem clubs don't take especially seriously anyway as shown by their fielding of under strength teams.

This would leave plenty of room for the FA Cup to be finished by May and still leave room for a winter break in January.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

I know ...
1/2 th players salary and double the squad.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

This really is a joke, I play football twice a week as well as training for the marathon and doing a full time job, and I am not moaning!!

6 days in 18 days is what they get paid for, I would happily play 12 games in 18 days for that money and for something I love, again we are looking for excuses for why the England team isn't good enough, footballers in all other countries play the same amount of games as our players, what are they taling about??

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comment by coops86 (U3029296)

posted Nov 1, 2007

I am working a 64 hour week. My wife works 40+ hours. We then have to devote time to our three children when we get home. Our jobs are hard but they afford us a moderatly comfortable lifestyle with one two week holiday a year. Its about time these "top stars" had a reality check. What have these "top stars" won recently. Under achievers and overpaid. They need to work bloody harder if anything.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

what rubbish ,try gettin up at five every day and workin on a buildin site and gettin paid in a year what some footballers earn in a week,we have lost all sense of reality with football today,when there not playin they are jettin all over the place doin other things to make money,advertising,endorsingand partying,they have a great life better than most.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

I think maybe Owen Hargreaves also benefited from playing in Germany at the time. The Premiership is played at a much faster pace than any of the other top leagues such as Spain, Italy and Germany. Playing at full pace for the majority of the season will also have an effect on players.

It is hard to feel sympathy for guys who take home 80k+ a month net and I in no way feel sorry for them but it can't be good for the English National side. Thats probably another issue entirely though, club vs country? In this country the clubs have so much money and so much power that the International game is secondary. Unlike in sports such as rugby where clubs serve countries. We seem to have got things the wrong way around.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

Doesn't virutally every other league in Europe take a break at some juncture? The EPL should as well - indeed, have the EPL take a break but let the Championship etc roll on during that time. People will still get their footy fix and the best players get a break and should be better prepared to represent their countries.

All this whining from people like Rob_united, Wiazaaard, etc - bitter about their own lots in life and so must begrudge anyone else getting a break.

Look - if giving the players who represent England a two week break mid-season better enabled them to represent the country and gave us a better chance of winning a big tournament without jeopardizing club prospects, what foolish England fan would take issue with that?

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posted Nov 1, 2007

As already said, players are playing less football than ever now, thanks to the squad system and less interest by the clubs in cup competitions, and yet they still plough this 'to many games furrow. Add into that no replays, and players dropping out like flies when it comes to international friendlies, and the words "whining overpaid gits" pops out of the slot.

What makes me laugh, is anyone with a Rothmans can see how little football they play now compared to the days of yore, and yet the OP has been sucked right into their (baseless) arguments.

What they are really saying is "I want to do less work for even more money".

Sod em'.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

There's going to be a lot of cynical comments on here about top players being multi-millionaire primadonnas getting paid a fortune for doing almost no 'work', but the fact remains that no matter how rich you are the human body can only take so much stress and strain before it breaks down.

Before you claim top athletes do no 'work', try totalling up how many miles Gerrard will have run during those six games (some of which will have been sprinting) and then add on all the training he does on top of that.

Still think you could do that for the best part of 9 months without your body complaining?

If you're still not convinced go and ask an ex-pro footballer how his knees are. At the end of his career Gabriel Batistuta couldn't train between games because his knee joints were practically destroyed. And he was in his mid thirties.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

MrBlueBurns - no mate I don't and I don't get 100 grand a week to play football.

I mean what next, they shouldn't pay tax cus they are so hard done too. They should be allowed to drive at 100 mph cus their cars are so much faster than ours.

Pains me to say it but a good few years ago a Sheffield Wednesday player was interviewed after a match against Arsenal when Wenger first started up this winter break too many matches in a season tripe, when asked if he thought that footballers played too many matches he answered "your joking I get up at 10.00 play football for 2 hours then go home its a great life" I rest my case.....

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posted Nov 1, 2007

ok give these pampered prima donas a mid winter break, and guess where they will be spending it.

1 on a beach relaxing, doing light training, ensuring that the burn out doesn't occur,

or

2 off to the usa or the far east to play more matches, for lucrative fees.

So impose a mid winter break and have the courage to automatically demote any club that plays a game of football during it.

Then ask if there is a need for a mid season break.

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comment by Rob (U7927081)

posted Nov 1, 2007

comment by DeadRobin
posted 33 Minutes Ago

I know ...
1/2 th players salary and double the squad.
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Excellent post problem Solved.

10/10

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comment by coops86 (U3029296)

posted Nov 1, 2007

Phillylpoolfan
I am under constant pressure to achive in my work (who isnt). These stars sell their photos to all and sundry then moan about intrusion.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

if youre getting paid 2.5 million pounds a year to play the sport that you love, i think you can take 60 games a season without rest. lots of players get rested for easier matches anyway

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posted Nov 1, 2007

If footballers were on the aveage persons wage then I'd think that it would be fair.

But as they earn around 100 times my salary in a month they dont get any sympathy from me.

So what if some have played 6 games in 18 days. In 18 days I've been working on 14 of them AND I put in more hours.

The nation team is not as good as people think it is. These are players that treat it as a chore and could do without it.

It just shows how far removed from reality these players are. Its about time they were brought down to earth.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

Rob_UnitedXI
posted 1 Minute Ago

comment by DeadRobin
posted 33 Minutes Ago

I know ...
1/2 th players salary and double the squad.
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Excellent post problem Solved.

10/10
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As an extension of this, the quality would drop, people wouldn't be as entertained, would stop going to the ground and tv wouldn't put so much money in the game.

I'm not sure if I meant that seriously or ironically. <yikes>

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posted Nov 1, 2007

I defintely think the league should be reduced to 18 if not 16 teams.

Not only would it get rid of more of the poorer sides who bring little to the league, it would also make the league more exciting. With only 16 teams, virtually every team in the league would always have something to play for.

Plus less games would mean better national sides and higher quality football because top players wouldn't always be knackered.

I'm sold.

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posted Nov 1, 2007

Two things:
1) Are the players forced to play? Or can they just tell their manager, "look, boss, I need a rest..." ?<doh>
2) Too much money is at stake in terms of club success these days, at the highest level. Teams put club success way above country in terms of which they'd rather see. Then debates like this arise when England do badly (again) in Euro or World championships. It also contributes more and more to widening that gulf between the Premiership and lower divisions, and even the "Top 4 vs The Rest" gulf WITHIN the Premiership! (But that's a whole different debate...<whistle>)

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comment by Niko (U9910197)

posted Nov 1, 2007

The wages the players are earning, ridiculous though they are shouldn't really be a consideration as they're just a distraction from the main issue. Our cricket and rugby players, while hardly being poor, earn barely a fraction of what our footballers do, and the problem seems to be common across all three sports. I think what Phil Neville is saying makes perfect sense, but fixtures during the Christmas holidays are big money spinners, so I doubt very much anything well be done, as per usual...

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