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Rasmussen leaves Le Tour!!!

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posted Jul 25, 2007

Apparently he was spotted in the Italian Dolemites when he said he was in Mexico. (according to Dutch equivalent of the BBC)

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posted Jul 25, 2007

It's not known yet if the other Rabo riders will continue Le Tour. It's on the Dutch & Belbian equivalent of the BBC at the moment...

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posted Jul 25, 2007

Yes it's Eurosport just now. No mention of the other Rabobank riders and whether they will be pulled - in so far as it's apparently Rabobank itself which has requested his withdrawal, then I gues it willbe the entire team.
There's no easy answer to this - how can a sport so huge, so popular, cleanse itself? No wonder other major sports don't want to lift the lid!

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posted Jul 25, 2007

VeloNews state: "News Flash: Rasmussen pulled out of Tour
JULY 25 - Yellow jersey wearer Michael Rasmussen was sensationally kicked out of the Tour de France by his own Rabobank team, the Dutch outfit revealed on Wednesday. The Dane had seemingly weathered the storm over missing four out of competition dope tests in the past 18 months and had won Wednesday's stage to all but seal overall victroy. However the team has learnt that Rasmussen lied to them over where and what he was up to during the month of June when he was in fact in Italy and not in Mexico as he had told them. Rasmussen had won two stages during the Tour, though, his presence at the race was questioned by several officials and from the race organisers as well. His departure leaves young Spaniard Alberto Contador in the lead with Australian Cadel Evans in second."

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posted Jul 25, 2007

Alex - the 606 boards will now descend into utter chaos as dozens of posters from other sports come in to insult Cycling and it's fans......
I think I'll take up birdwatching.

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posted Jul 25, 2007

According to the Dutch equivalent of the BBC (reliable), it was Davide Cassani (Italian media / ex cyclist) who spotted Rasmussen in Italy when he was supposed to be in Mexico. When Rabo heard about this, they kicked Rasmussen out for lying to them.

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comment by Nitebot (U1534244)

posted Jul 25, 2007

Just seen this on Sky News. Don't know what to say really but this year's tour has been ruined just like last year's.

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posted Jul 25, 2007

TheInvigilator: Rasmussen lied to his team. So his team sacked him. Simple. No chaos is necessary. Millions of people lied today, he was just one of them.

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posted Jul 25, 2007

Smacks a bit of damage limitation by Rabobank as a result of all the adverse publicity. Without knowing all the ins and outs it seems a bit strange in the timing. All the kerfuffle about the missed tests was known about prior to the tour starting and he must be the most tested rider there at the moment. Such a shame as I love the tour as was enjoying his battles with Contador

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posted Jul 25, 2007

and Rabobank will still have other riders still in the tour. It was after all their decision to withdraw him..

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comment by Sarah K (U4268603)

posted Jul 25, 2007

When has the Yellow Jersey ever been withdrawn from the Tour before!?

Still he lied and he's gone. Looks like the teams at least are finally getting serious about this issue.

I just wish it wasn't the Yellow Jersey being soiled like that.

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posted Jul 25, 2007

Rabo are letting the riders decide if they want to start tomorrow. It's a shame this has overshadowed Michael Boogards last Tour, after all the hard work he has done he has done for the Chicken. What next?

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posted Jul 25, 2007

Gutted, but

In some sports (endurance, power) there will always be cheats. Same is with business, there always be corporate fraud. We don't stop business, we fight fraud.

It's the same for those sports. We should fight doping, not 'ban' cycling, 100 m sprint athletics, weightlifting, etc.

By the way: told you Contador would win Le Tour winkeye

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posted Jul 25, 2007

so Contador gets the yellow jersey? I would imagine he would rather have out performed the other riders to get it as opposed to way he is getting it?

Agree with Eastyman - I too was enjoying the battles and was looking forward to a fair fight to the end.....

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posted Jul 25, 2007

Invibrator, how can you continue to defend the indefensible?

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posted Jul 25, 2007

It all seemed a bit convenient that he was somewhere training in Mexico's outback and couldn't be tested then rides Le Tour like a demon.

As a fan, I feel cheated by watching these frauds accept stage wins with a straight face. God knows what fellow riders and especially innocent team-mates are feeling right now.

I think that the only way forward for cycling is to dish out life bans for these offences.

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comment by ATL11 (U2206652)

posted Jul 25, 2007

Is it me or is cycling just becoming a Joke. Everything that could go wrong has!

& Deja Vu on this time last year!

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posted Jul 25, 2007

Reallywheelie - I've had my doubts about Rasmussen since he caught Valverde in the TT last Saturday - it just didn't ring true. And yes he has lied to his team which is why he's been sacked.

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posted Jul 25, 2007

This is really upsetting. It has ruined the tension building up in the last few stages between the main contenders. It was a great spectacle and now it is for all the wrong reasons.

I guess the question will be how well does Contador time trial

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posted Jul 25, 2007

Thanks for that FRE. Lets laugh at a man dying. Nice. You really are a class individual.

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posted Jul 25, 2007

Kanga - why don't you try actually reading people's posts? You and FigRoll just troublemakers of the worst kind...
I'm away on business tomorrow so you can post all the vitriol you want then.

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posted Jul 25, 2007

Horrible this, i have always kept faith in cycling and the cyclists but this is the end.

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posted Jul 25, 2007

Well you could argue that in the battle against doping there are, to paraphrase Hinault, "pas de cadeaux aujourd'hui" - no gifts today.

Interesting to note that Rabobank have acted under their own code of conduct. Will ASO invite them to withdraw as well or will the fact they've acted at their own instigation and without prompting mean they can start tomorrow as this would be an internal matter?

Poor Phil S is probably enduring one very long day in France chasing the stories. I imagine quite a few hacks are currently frantically trying to refile their copy for the morning papers.

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comment by MM (U1882659)

posted Jul 25, 2007

I can't believe this. With four stages left and half of Denmark glued to the TV for the first time since 96, this happens. Rasmussen had 14 drugs tests before and during the TDF, and all has come back negative. What's the point of this? Why now? My god this antidoping frenzy has gone too far!

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posted Jul 25, 2007

Pretty severe punishment for not being where you said you were... I wonder if there is something else that we don't (yet) know about?

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posted Jul 25, 2007

Right, Rasmussen is a MORON for lying about where he was. He's an idiot and of course he's lost the trust of his team.
But he has been tested around fourteen times over the course of July and EVERY result has been negative. Can you read that? NEGATIVE.

I'm gutted he's bee thrown off, of course though the French will be overjoyed but what I found most amusing was that one of those Cofidis riders sitting down in protest at the start of the stage was thrown off the Tour for doping.

I'll stand by Rasmussen unless it's proven that somehow he was doping during the Tour. As far as the tests are showing so far, the quiet, unassuming Dane has performed to a yellow jersey standard WITHOUT the use of drugs. Kudos to him.
But he is an idiot.

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posted Jul 26, 2007

Rasmussen’s clean results during the tour are largely irrelevant. When doping controls first came into sport the popular work around was to “disappear” for a while and train hard using performance enhancing drugs to improve your training. Then flush your system out and turn up to a competition clean and post a load of clear tests. This is why cyclists have to inform the governing bodies where they are, Rasmussen did not. This aside and if we accept he may have never used drugs the fact is still the same, he a professional athlete, he knows the importance of these tests and knows his professional and moral responsibility to do what ever is possible to complete them (including giving them a call and letting them know if he changes his plans).
He has failed this obligation on 4 counts and been warned of his conduct before, if he is not guilty of doping he is guilty of professional misconduct and bringing the sport into disrepute.

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posted Jul 26, 2007

hmmm maybe he's got a secret girlfriend in Italy and didn't want to tell his wife ... winkeye

but seriously ... TDF goes from bad to worse ?!

and there's more to come ... for whom did Contador ride for last year ? Liberty Seguros. So someone will start pointing the finger at him next ...

Which leaves .. Cadel Evans !!

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posted Jul 26, 2007

Austrian_jez, what do u mean leaves Cadel Evans. Evans will probably take the yellow jersey in the ITT.

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comment by Torres (U8367036)

posted Jul 26, 2007

i think its great that he's been withdrawn from the race and it should be the same for every rider until the message gets through that CHEATING WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED.

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posted Jul 26, 2007

monkeyman (funny login !!) : I meant that Cadel is currently second, but if Contador is kicked out for doping then he will inherit the lead.
Of course you are right - he'll more than likely take the lead in the ITT anyway ...

Let's hope that this core of doping junkies will get flushed out of our sport.

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comment by Benneth (U2919365)

posted Jul 26, 2007

fair play to rabobank. i think its great the way the teams are taking such strong action against these riders, especially cofidis and astana for withdrawing completely. its been another damaging year for the sport but i honestly think things are looking up. my interest is dead for this year but i will never lose faith in this sport.

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posted Jul 26, 2007

This episode has been a result of ridiculous bungling all the way from all parties involve. Here's just a small list of Shoulds and Shouldn'ts that have led top this happening:
a) First and Foremost Rasmussen SHOULD have informed of his training whereabouts and either it was unforgivable complacency or something more malicious.
b) The system of ensuring riders know the rules of disclosing your whereabouts SHOULD have been clearer. Rasmussen isn't the first to claim that a simple administrative mistake can lead to serious bans.
c) The UCI & Danish authorities SHOULD have communicated and co-operated with each other to ensure that any possibility of intention on Rasmussen's part could have been punished earlier.
d) Patrice Clerq and the ASO SHOULD have known about these tests and made a decision about Rasmussen before the tour. It is their personal responsibility to do everything in their power to ensure the tour is riden by flawlessly clean riders. Something as simple as a phone call to the UCI then the Danish authorities would have been enough to sort this mess out a long time ago. The same goes for Rabobank and Rasmussen equally should have informed his team.
e) The Danish authorities SHOULD have made a decision about Rasmussen before the tour rather than waiting until he was in yellow to ban him from the national team.
f) Rasmussen SHOULD have cleared up the situation as soon as it came out rather than being vague and increasing suspicion surrounding him him.
g) Clerq and Rabobank should have made the decision to ban Rasmussen during the rest day allowing a fair showdown between Contador and Evans the next day.
h) Frankly and most importantly Clerq SHOULDN'T have banned Rasmussen or alternatively SHOULD have taken personal responsibility and sacked him himself before resigning for his own part in this mess.

What angers me most about all this is once again Clerq has victimised non-Latin countries and furthermore hidden behind made up rules and worse Rabobank and not acknowledges his own failings in all of this. He is a bully and a coward and until we have a fair, honest and brave leader in charge of the tour we will continue to have problems. Why should the riders trust Clerq now? When he can make up rules and sentance riders long after the offence has taken plus just because he doesn't like the guy who has won. I'm sorry but if Rasmussen was French this wouldn't have happened.

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comment by stwl (U4284084)

posted Jul 26, 2007

andrewj100 is right. Similarly, I remember hearing that Ben Johnson only tested positive for stanozolol in Seoul because he resumed doping after unexpectedly losing a race to Carl Lewis earlier in the season.

This begs the question of whether riders who have previously doped should ever be allowed to resume competing, or whether they continue to carry an unfair advantage. (Here the athletics comparison is with Grit Breuer.)

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comment by Benneth (U2919365)

posted Jul 26, 2007

so gutted for bradley wiggins sadface

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posted Jul 26, 2007

Go Cadel! But somehow my each-way money on him is cold comfort this morning... I would rather have lost every bet I ever made on the Tour than see it come to this.

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posted Jul 26, 2007

Alex; why would ASO take out any riders of the Rabo team. None of them (including Rasmussen) has tested positive. The reason why Rasmussen is out of the tour, is that he has been sacked by his employer for lying to the Rabo management.

There is no proof whatsoever of any doping use by Rasmussen (tested before and during the tour) or any of the other Rabo riders. The remaining seven riders -who all did a great job btw- will decide themselves wether they will continue today.

The fact that the whole Astana team and Cofidis team have left the tour is unbelievable to me. Moreni and Vino have broken the rules and therefor been thrown out of competition, but since when is one responsable for the acts of one's collegue. If anybody at the BBC would break the rules and get the sack, would you accept your P45 because of that? No bloody way I'd think.

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comment by eurgain (U6469833)

posted Jul 26, 2007

The obsession with drugs enforcement is certainly spoiling the sport for me.

I have always been put off participating in and watching sport because of pompous officials enforcing petty rules getting in the way of the action. This is a prime example.

I watch sport for the spectacle and I really could not care less how a sports competitor obtains their performance. The participants are all adults and should be left to achieve their levels of performance by whichever means they choose.

Most sports just have too many rules that are too strictly enforced for them to be good to watch.

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comment by rich 96 (U1991643)

posted Jul 26, 2007

It amazes me that vino now does not get a mention now he's left and Rasmussen's name is dragged through the dirt. Contador would never be in 2nd if it wasn't for robobank doing the majority of the work in mountains, discovery has really not been the driving force. As usuall the french are bitter having never won there own race since 1985, if moreau had the yellow jersey the story would have been slighty different, the tour should be completly abandoned, because the remaining top 10 riders might have faired better or worse depending on team control, its complete farce.

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posted Jul 26, 2007

comment by igmeister
posted 10 Hours Ago
Thanks for that FRE. Lets laugh at a man dying. Nice. You really are a class individual.
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Well Igmeister, a lesser man than I would probably throw this quote at you, "If ten will kill me I'll take nine and win". Might even suggest that you're a bit Ignorant of cycling history if you don't know that Simpson's death was what made cycling face up to the reality of drug abuse. And the end result of decades of not facing up doping was... Simpson's death. It ain't nice, but it's the truth.

Besides, I wasn't laughing at Simpson's death, I was smiling at Rabobank's decision to sack Rasmussen. Here we have a major team about to win the Tour de France with a rider that hasn't failed a dope test. Yet they chose to throw that away because it smelled suspiscious.

If other teams follow Rabobank's example, this could be a watershed in cycling's efforts to become a clean sport, and become the biggest landmark since Simpson died. I think this is something worth celebrating.

But like I said, a lesser man might congratulate you for using Simpson's death to score a cheap, righteously-indignant point on an internet forum. I on the other hand couldn't possibly comment!

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posted Jul 26, 2007

question to all: how many French riders are currently on warning from UCI / local governing bodies regarding missed doping tests ?

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posted Jul 26, 2007

Curious that the official Tour site (all languages)still has Rasmussen in yellow. I don't know the ins and outs of their rules:will he still be regarded as the leader until he doesn't start today?

And would that mean Contador won't be able to wear yellow today as is surely his right?

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posted Jul 26, 2007

'Cadel Evens, tour winner'. Hmm, there's something not quite right about that. Remember when the tour was won by someone you respected? Seems a long time ago now.

I agree with Benneth, really feel for Wiggins this morning having made it through the moantains, and from the sounds of him, fancied his chances in the last TT.

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posted Jul 26, 2007

comment by TheInvigilator
posted 10 Hours Ago
I'm away on business tomorrow.
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Hurray! We can go back to discussing bike racing! biggrin

What?
Hasn't anyone else noticed that, just as Matt Slater only pops up when there's a dope bust to write about, the Invigilator only appears after a positive test? And all he does is pollute the debates with pompous lectures directed at the BBC and 'strays'.

Pardon me if I'm wrong, but I think you'll find the Invigilator has been conspicuous by his absence whenever the rest of us have been talking about the Tour de France. Why oh why can't he make that absence permanent? I suspect this forum is the only attention he gets.laugh

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