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Reinstatement to the Premiership

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comment by U8055106

posted Jun 3, 2007

To be honest i believe Sheffield utd deserved to go down! I realy do love you guys over in Sheffield and our away game at bramall lane was ace fun! But to be honest if your relegated your relegated because you werent good enough and thats the sad fact. Being a city fan i know how much relegation hurts, but sometime you have jus got to accept that your werent good enough.
Sorry good luck for the championship, you've got a good squad a good manager you can come back up

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posted Jun 3, 2007

To be honest if Sheff Utd couldn't beat a poor Wigan at home then you deserved to go down, the table USUALLY doesn't lie. The whole Tevez thing does stink and has been handled really badly but its not the real reason you went down. Tevez got his first goal against Spurs and if West Ham had gone on and won that match I would also be p*ssed, especially if it had cost us a European place. But I would not have expected the Premier League or anybody else to do anything about it.

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posted Jun 3, 2007

As with most people I am tired of this topic - maybe that was the plan by the Premier League ??

I think the whole affair has just highlighted something we already knew - football is business these days.

I think we had an OK season - highs such as those against Arsenal or Spurs (sorry SufferingSpur) then we had moments of stupidity - I am thinking of the Kenny incident against Everton or the Davis cock up against Portsmouth. Our away tactics were flawed and probably you could say the Villa match was a turning point for us since it reduced our goal difference and made Wigan's task all that more easier.

McCabe has to put a positive spin on matters although it does worry me that what ever league we end up in next season this is not the ideal preparation.

I think the wrong punishment was handed out however I do not see it being over turned now since it would bring about more legal action.

On a different note did you see the item about the Sweden v Denmark match - 3-3 with a minute to play - referee sends a Danish player off and fan rushes onto the pitch to confront the ref. Ref walks off and Fifa say they may award the match to Sweden - think the whole football world has gone mad.

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posted Jun 3, 2007

I saw highlights of that game, it looked intense!

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posted Jun 3, 2007

Yes we should have beaten Wigan but we went down by a goal difference of 1. If you look back at the season we have had, there were so many incorrect decisions made against us that if just one had gone our way, we would have stayed up.
Warnock was a bit of a moaner but he wasn't wrong every time. On the balance, the decisions did not even themselves out for us over the season.
So we are currently down, but I do not think we deserved to go down. When it is so close, teams do not deserve to go down. When it is so close, it inevitably comes down to luck.

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comment by alc296 (U7510036)

posted Jun 3, 2007

I think you're clutching at straws; although I agree it shouldn't have been you that took the drop. I think we''ll be seeing you at the Walkers Stadium next season. <smiley>

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posted Jun 3, 2007

I think McCabe reckons if he says it enough, others will believe him. The Blades won't be reinstated, they've already been told they are wasting their time by the PL. Time to move on.

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comment by GC_S35 (U2862260)

posted Jun 3, 2007

i hope we stay in the championship for at least one season, the premiership is by far the worst league in england now money has taken over and players just go to who ever pays them the most, too many non english players preventing academy players having a chance, diving and surrounding/complaing constantly at the ref, poor atmos from other teams.

i wont miss the premiership one bit

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posted Jun 3, 2007

The decision is not with the Premier League. It is with the arbitration.
I wonder if it will alter West Ham's reported splurge of spending.
If anything confirms the inadequacy of the £5.5m fine it is the large amounts that West Ham are supposedly offering to improve their team next season.

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posted Jun 3, 2007

Personally I've grown tired of all this and now I think it's be funny if they docked WHU one point...meaning Sheff Utd win the appeal but still go down anyway

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comment by J_Nash (U7007815)

posted Jun 3, 2007

I agree, aside from the vast amounts of money the prem brings, I actually prefer the championship more; it's a much more open competition AND it means you get to have a licsened SUFC in games! hoo-ray!

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posted Jun 3, 2007

The whole affair will drag on for ages - if the Blades are successful and reinstated, West Ham will take legal action and so on and so on which could last for months/years. There is the small matter of playing football to consider whilst this is going on.

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posted Jun 3, 2007

All seems a bit like sour grapes to me. Maybe if they'd played better they wouldn't have needed to throw the toys out the pram.

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posted Jun 3, 2007

Westham were out of the EPL in january 2007 but won 7 of 9 to remain in the league.Sheffield united have themselves to blame,I hope arbitration doesn't reward lack of ambition as blades don't deserve to be in the premiership.

handing pro-blades verdict will not reflect well on the reputation of the EPL.Pliz accept your fate Blades coz you were given the best chance of all teams by playing an awful winless Wigan side on the last day at home,what more do you want.

Its tiring,this time is for transfer targets and England vs Estonia match.

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posted Jun 3, 2007

Sheffield United are pathetic, the whole story sounds like they planned their season in the hope that one team would get docked points! the simple fact is that they weren't good enough and didn't get enough points to stay in the premiership!!!

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posted Jun 3, 2007

Not going to happen...simple as that. However much West Ham deserve to be playing championship football it will be you who is. The arbitration panel is on 18 June FOUR days after the release of fixtures for next season, the PL are not going to be messing around with either having 21 teams in the prem or relegating the hammers or derby in replacement of you just after the fixtures have gone public. The whole thing is just a coverup, and if i was in your position i would be seriously p1ssed. Just get on with championship life, accept that you have been relegated and bounce back next year <ok>

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posted Jun 3, 2007

The PL were frankly spinelessly finger-wagging at West Ham for effectively cheating by lining up a world-class player against the applicable rules.

Their decision meant that it's OK to break the rules; it's just 'not nice'.

The decision was taken because a points penalty at the time would have meant pre-empting the relegation race by condemning WHU before the last game of the season.

It cannot be denied, though, that West Ham won points directly as a consequence of this cheating, and this should have been recognised in the PL decision.

(I believed at the time that they should have put their decision in a confidential, sealed envelope, to be opened after the final game).

I support neither team, but I believe SU have been unfairly penalised themselves as a result, just as N Ireland stand to lose out through no fault of their own if UEFA award the Denmark-Sweden match (abandoned at 3-3 in the 89th min) to Sweden.

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posted Jun 3, 2007

So Mr.Bean is leading Sheffield Utd supporters to Parliament on 13th June to petition MP's. When are these people going to accept that they just weren't good enough to stay up, and it has nothing to do with fapl or West ham. Well, Beans meanz whines !!!!!

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posted Jun 3, 2007

It's a disgrace how McCabe has openly admitted he is on a media offensive regarding the issue in an attempt to sway public opinion before the case is heard. Just imagine if the media tried to influence a court case in this manner - the accused would never get a fair trial. McCabe has lost all dignity and credibility.

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posted Jun 3, 2007

just have a Premier League of 21 teams next year <laugh> ;)

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posted Jun 3, 2007

Yet again the FA has fallen short and proven that is fallible. West Ham should have not been allowed to play Tevez until he was "legal" or they should have had points deducted. Having said that he has been brilliant for them which makes it all the more ironic.
Sheff Utd should definitely stay in the Premiership. Warnock did a cracking job with what he had available, and he is honest, unlike some.

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posted Jun 3, 2007

Regardless of any rule breaking, Sheffield United were the third worst team in the premier league. 38 league games confirmed this.

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posted Jun 3, 2007

This whole situation has become an absolute farce. I'm a Chelsea fan and liked what the Blades brought to the Premiership last season along with the legendary Warnock. Make no mistake if this was a smaller club i.e the likes of Wigan, Watford, Sheff Utd etc then there would have been a points deduction i'm sure of that.

The fact is West Ham deserved to go down but because the press seems to love them so much no one would have the bottle to the decent thing and deduct them points. This isn't a minor offence hence the 5.5m fine, but this is a slap on the wrist since its estimated each team will pick up about 40m for being the PL next year.

Good luck to you Blades, let's hope for once justice will be done.

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posted Jun 3, 2007

send West Ham down they don't deserve to be in this league after their poor performances. It took an illegal player to single handedly save them which is wrong. I support sheffield united on this 1, although i'm not a fan of either club.

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posted Jun 3, 2007

you cannot have three london clubs getting relegated in one season and have three d.f.n.b,s coming into the premier league,sky,wont like that, more expense from there west london base.there is also a matter broken rules are they exempt from f.a.rules

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comment by Will (U3213891)

posted Jun 3, 2007

I have never been more disgusted with the Premier League or clubs that supposedly should be adhering to it's rules, that the disgruntled four had signed to at the start of the season.

And a Premier League with an extra two games the season which has a major international championship at the end!? This case stinks of selfishness and no thought of our national team's success.

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posted Jun 3, 2007

does anyone else think that sheffield united are being really childish??
they signed, along with everyone else, a document saying that they would stand by the decision the premier league made, but now its gone against them they haven't. is that not being really immature??
they have to stick by the decision both they and the premier league have made and concede that they weren't good enough this year.
and 21 teams is absurd, fixture congestion and fatigue is a factor anyway, i mean look at the fa cup final, both teams were too tired to do anything and chelsea got lucky.

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comment by Kev (U2641757)

posted Jun 3, 2007

We all know West Ham have got away with murder - but come on you Sheff Utd guys you need to wise up! This arbitration panel is like a South American election - the result is fixed before the vote takes place. You, like us at the Boro are the poor relations of the Premiership, too far North and too industrial. You never get any decisions going your way. Forget it - you'll have to get back the hard way, by winning some games in the Championship.

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posted Jun 3, 2007

legendary warnock? how do you lose the most important game of your teams history in the past decade at home, NEEDING A DRAW. i dont care if westham paid off the referees. bad teams are not meant to stay up. sheffield is a BAD TEAM. they were not the 3rd worst, wigan was. but wigan took advantage of a stupid team and escaped thier fate

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posted Jun 3, 2007

Liverpool fan here so I'm a neutral.

Anyone who said SHeff Utd deserved to go down are talking absolute b@llocks, Sheff Utd deserved to stay up, West Ham deserved to go down because of fielding players who wernt their players.

Tevez has got West Ham more than 6, 7 points, without Tevez West Ham would of been relegated.. anyway who cares how many points Tevez would of got west ham.. the fact is West Ham brokes the rules and should of got 10 points deducted.. if West Ham do stay up then I hope they start on -15pts, it's only fair.

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comment by cadh45 (U3875397)

posted Jun 3, 2007

Sheffield United got relegated because they were not good enough. West Ham survived because they had Carlos Tevez.
Leave United where they are, because they finished third bottom, where they deserved to be after 38 games, and dock West Ham the necessary points as they may have broken the rules.
There is no other realistic way around it.

xxx

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comment by Jack (U1773165)

posted Jun 3, 2007

I don't understand why people are saying, "Sheffield finished 18th, so they should go down."

Yes they finished 18th, but this is because West Ham fielded ineligible players!
They broke the rules and should have gone down.
I think the only reason they didn't get points deducted was so the FA could claim they have the most entertaining league, with both 1st place and relegation places still being decided in the last few weeks.

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comment by TinmanX (U8435492)

posted Jun 3, 2007

Sheff Utd have got to be the biggest bunch of whiney girls in English football.

Come on Blades, take lifes hard knocks without all this whimpering and sobbing would ya?

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posted Jun 3, 2007

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posted Jun 3, 2007

Sheffield United were frankly just not good enough over 38 league games and could have survived on the final day of the season..but bottled that one.
If they could have that chance over again they'd bite the proverbial hand off!!
To be going on an on about this "injustice" is just getting petty- nothing is going to happen as a result and they might as well be chattering on about how they got relegated because a goal was wrongly disallowed earlier in the season or because a man was wrongly sent off.

It is dissappointing that this situation has happened, but its happened and Sheff Utd should move on and be focusing on next season...this isn't a slight on SU on my part either, i hate Wigan and was gutted the Blades couldnt take full advantage and send them packing!!! ;-p

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posted Jun 3, 2007

The point is that West Ham should have had points deducted in the first place, not the fine.

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posted Jun 3, 2007

just face it, Sheffield United got relegated.

West Ham broke the rules. Now that the Premiership can't go back on their decision because they have already screwed it up, they could just give Sheffield United the money that they would give West Ham and West Ham could get the money Sheffield United will get in the Premierhip.

Or they could give West Ham a points deduction at the start of the season and maybe Sheffield United a head start but that would be unreasonable.

Or both....

Or how about they just swap them around now, admit that they made a mistake and not damage their reputation even more.

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comment by SFRover (U2628539)

posted Jun 3, 2007

Despite McCabe's confidence, I'll be surprised if the decision is over-turned. The Premier League are spineless and, as is the way with much of football these days, it comes down to money. Who will generate more money for the Premier League? Sheff Utd, hard-working northern team with little financial backing? Or the supposed 'Academy' of West Ham, from the capital, with a mega-rich owner looking to splash the cash this summer?

The 5.5m fine was a disgrace. I agree completely with those who have said that Sheff Utd have been relegated for playing by the rules, whilst West Ham have been rewarded for breaking them. So they've lost 5.5m - what does that matter when you're about to get 30m-plus from TV rights?

There are still question-marks for me over how Tevez was supposedly re-registered too - If he belonged to this media company when he signed for West Ham, but then this agreement was terminated after the Premier League's ruling in April, how was he then re-registered? I'm sure that the company didn't just say "oh well, you just have him for nothing." Presumably West Ham paid a fee to break this agreement, does this not then mean that it was a "transfer"? And as it took place during April, when the transfer window colsed in January, is this not a breach of rules too?

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posted Jun 3, 2007

Why do the BBC keep giving McCabe airtime? Sheff utd went down because they had fewer points. Tevez was never ineligible, the problem concerned an element of third party ownership. An independent commission, appointed by all the Premiership clubs decided to fine West Ham 5.5m. Lucky or not, they were the only ones who had the right to appeal. They chose not to and to pay the fine. That should of been the end of the matter. However, bad losers, noticably Wigan and Sheff Utd, started a media spin which distorted the facts and showed themselves to be no respecters of the rules, or the facts. Arbitration will show that the Premiership followed the rules, and then maybe we can get back o talking about football, and not whingeing from a club that went down because they had fewer points. Sheff Utd should concentrate on trying to get promoted next year and stop wasting their money on stupid publicity-seeking spin. And the BBC should know better.

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posted Jun 3, 2007

time and time again you hear about players under performing for england because of the length of the premiership season and the amount of games that have to be played. this is the perfect oppurtunity to point the national team in the right direction. send both teams down, Sheffield utd because they were the third worst team and west ham because they cheated. maybe we could relegate four teams next season as well?

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posted Jun 3, 2007

The simple fact is that when the decision was made, Sheffield United's destiny was in their own hands. Everyone said on the last day of the season "it'll take a miracle for the Blades to go down", but they made a backside of it against Wigan and deserved to go down! Simple as. West Ham on the other hand were fantastic for the last few weeks and if they had played like that all season would have been pushing for European places - I know who I'd rather see in the Premiership next season!

Maybe the fairest way would be to have a play-off between Sheffield and West Ham?

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posted Jun 3, 2007

This would not be an issue if Sheff Utd had survived. I think they are bad losers and deserve to be going down. West Ham kept fighting to stay up, they are the ones who deserve premiership status next year. Relegation should not be down to point deduction or punishment. The fine was good enough and I think Sheff Utd do not have a case.

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comment by Nuggets (U7339780)

posted Jun 3, 2007

Tobysandison what a great idea.

A play off between West Ham and Sheffield United minus Carlos Tevez is a great idea to decide the outcome.

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posted Jun 3, 2007

In my opinion West ham united should have been relegated as they broke rules, and obviously broke the rules severely to get a 5.5million fine. Tevez was instrumental in keeping them up, but should he have been playing? no. As a Manchester United fan living in the north i have full sympathy for sheffield united but they should accept their fate and get back to the premiership by winning the championship. West Ham cheated but didnt get punished, probably had something to with trevor brooking in my opinion, ah well we can speculate all we want but sheffield united and wigan are teams from the north, we all no about the f.a's southern bias

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posted Jun 3, 2007

I really don't get these people who say United 'didnt do enough'.
The only reason West Ham did better than us was by profiting from their illegal dealings. Had United bribed the refs in our last three matches to finish above Wham, would everyone be saying "well, they did enough to stay up so they should be ok"?

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posted Jun 3, 2007

I wish you would stop trying to find excuses for your team going down!! Ok West Ham's punishment was a fair bit generous but they have infact already been punished!!

I'm starting to get tired of hearing about this topic now....

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posted Jun 3, 2007

It is just plain wrong of Kevin McCabe to say that reinstatement is certain, and for actor Sean Bean to use his celebrity status in order to lead a march on Parliament.

Already on this board I can see Blades' fans convincing themselves that a return to the Premiership is near, and without even having to kick a football. It's like Bryan Robson's job is being done for him.

The Premier League is not a public body, so what will a march on Parliament achieve anyway? No laws were broken to relegate Sheffield United - they just were not good enough to survive this season.

And with any luck, West Ham superfan Ray Winstone will have set an ambush for Bean at the bottom of Whitehall. They could then have a bare knuckle fight to decide Sheffield United's fate once and for all. <cool>

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posted Jun 3, 2007

this is getting really boring now. i actually feel sorry for the fans of SUFC because im sure they dont want the shame of this. it will never work and is incredibly petty. i hope you do come straight back up because then we can sort it out on a football pitch, where it should be sorted.good luck and well done for getting rid of neil warnock.

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posted Jun 3, 2007

This fiasco is an English problem, in any other country the Tevez situation wouldnít be a problem. A lot of South American players are owned by third parties. Like Tevez, Kaka is also partly owned by a third party, but you canít see Liverpool challenging Fifa/Uefa to strip Milanís Champions League win. Man Utdís new signing Anderson, is also party owned by his agent (who will get £4M), but United now own the player 100%. So Sheff Utd should just shut up and concentrate on next season. In reality Jagielka handball is what sent you down.

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