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posted May 30, 2007

I think that's another nail in the coffin for the FA. They have consistently shown us how useless they are and this is another one.
G.Poll has been and still is one of the best referees around. Everyone can make mistakes, specially under stress. But he's been terrific throughout his career. If he says the FA hasn't backed him, I believe every word.
Wish him all the best....

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posted May 30, 2007

I never liked Graham Poll as a referee, but the FA have to back their officials or the trend of disrespect towards referees will continue to get worse in the professional game.

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posted May 30, 2007

I think the world cup was the turning point in Poll's career. After he showed 3 yellow cards to a player I think his critics really took advantage of that. We also know that Mourinho and Ferguson are not big fans of him either.
Good luck to Graham Poll

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comment by danjo (U6897476)

posted May 30, 2007

Theres not a ref, player or manager who doesnt make mistakes and there are many many worse refs than Graham Poll.

Consistency is what all fans want and this season has been typical for its inconsistency.

Maybe video technology is part of the answer but then we already have video used for incidents "not seen" by the ref. Is this silly rule so the FA isnt seen to undermine its refs?

As long as I remember (and probably since the beginning of time) the FA has been an archaic, school tie, private members club that seems to exclude precisely the people who should be most involved.

My sincerest wish is that the new reforms, increased independance and the inclusion of fans, may help alleviate all the problems.

It all starts at the top. If the FA shows consistency then maybe a top ref like Poll would have the confidence to continue. With consistent punishments the clubs, players, managers and fans would know where they stand and know what to expect.

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posted May 30, 2007

All the FA seem interested these days is making money. If a so called star player is sent off and suspended for 3 matches it hits the FA in the pocket. Discipline in football is at an all time low and the referees are hung out to dry by the FA.

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posted May 30, 2007

Pretty much agree with all the sentiments on here - I never particularly rated Poll as a referee, but that can be influenced by all sorts of factors.

The simple fact of the matter is that referees are criticised by everyone in the game, without any comeback. The man in the middle is there to call things as best he can, and in this age of feigning injury and general unsportsman like behaviour the job is getting more and more difficult.

Referees should be supported by the FA through either technology, assistance, or even plain and simple backing from the authorities.

It's a thankless task, and unless we're carefull, the number of ref's coming through the ranks will become less and less, really leaving us in the mire.

Stop giving them judgement calls to make (the farcical offside rule) and support them with rulings such as "anyone bar the team captain approaching the referee unsolicited should receive an automatic red card".

Teh amount of cameras and TV coverage already puts unprecedented pressure on refs. The last thing they need is a bunch of undisciplined yobs being allowed to pressure them further.

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posted May 30, 2007

Why do we never hear of managers and players complaining about the referees in rugby?

The FA should be ashamed of the treatment their officials receive every week, but when they refuse to publicly back them in rows like this, what do they expect?

The solution is simple. The refs are already mic'd up. How about letting us hear what gets said in player/ref discussions?

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posted May 30, 2007

I have no sympathy for Graham Poll. He is one of the most limelight-seeking referees out there, as well as being on of the most inconsistent. He has favourite players who he never takes action against and yet he is very quick to book players who he dislikes. I remember Wayne Rooney's multiple outbursts to Poll last season in one particular high profile game which went completely unpunished, while less well known players in other matches were booked for far less. Poll is a self-serving referee who will no doubt now try to forge a career for himself in the media.

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posted May 30, 2007

i'm so happy that he's gone for good.Steve B is the best right now.

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posted May 30, 2007

he doesnt pay attention to the game...at all.
considering he was awful in the chelsea games and is pretty much the only ref to give a player 3 yellow cards! i wont miss him in the game at all.

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comment by dav2504 (U4780994)

posted May 30, 2007

I have to totally agree with moodyred... the respect thing starts top down... sadly lacking in this country. Like other contributors... managers even as recently as David Pleat and Graham Taylor have never questioned refs decisions in such a volatile way and the FA havent exactly been supportive of many of their 'staff' ( Bar Sven )including most refs.

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posted May 30, 2007

One of the easiest questions - with Graham Poll and the referees. Their word should be law and the FA should back them until proven differently. As for Terry being brought up for charges, - what happened? Pay a little fine? Pocket change to these folks. Immediate stripping of England captaincy would have gotten Terry's attention even if the manager it returned at next training camp. Lying and bringing the game into disrepute are not qualities the FA want in a captain, are they?

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posted May 30, 2007

wot was that idiot poll thinking of when he sent jt off he cost us that game with disalllowing the perfectly good drogba goal and sending jt off for doin nothin, when assou ekkoto raised his arms at jt but didnt get punished is that because poll turned a blind eye towards it or jus thats hes wants to be centre of etension becuase he has to make his mark on such a big game

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posted May 30, 2007

why should the fa back such a rubbish referee personaly i would sack him because he has messed up the english game because of his stupid decisions

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posted May 30, 2007

The real reasons for Poll's red card to Terry never came out, quite understandably, given the furore that would have followed. As I understand it, Poll was being quite gentlemanly in the PUBLIC reasons given out - what was reprehensible was Terry's reaction to it; he should have taken his punishment like a man & been grateful for Poll's stance.

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posted May 30, 2007

Yeah I agree Brian Barwick is one of the most shady characters in football. I think it's time him and his cronies at the FA were moved on or given the push.

While I'm no fan of Poll (he was never a particularly good ref), but I do think Barwick had elicited pressure on Poll by taking forever before the stepped in over comments being made by Terry, Mourinho et al.

The whole disciplinary process at the FA needs an overhaul...

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comment by Jack (U1773165)

posted May 30, 2007

I think we should all respect referees, as they do such a difficult job. Any decision they make could cost the team a trophy, or could send them down a division, which means they make multi-million pound decisions all the time.
That is alot of pressure.

Also, I feel apart from the World Cup incident with the 3 yellow cards, Poll has had an excellent refereeing career. I feel the media has overhyped any bad performances he has had, and he'll never get praised for having a good game, because referees are expected to. I think he has had alot of unfair criticism.

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posted May 30, 2007

Poll is exactly right and the FA remain a toothless joke. Dishing out 10,000 fines to multi millionaires earning 10 times that amount a week for loutish, foul mouthed cheating is pathetic as is fining a Premiership club 0.5m. It's simply recovered and more by putting 10p on a pint or 50p on a programme.

The FA and UEFA has to get serious and adopt a much tougher system linked to points deductions for accumulated team and individual misdemeanors. Too many cheats blight the game and too little action now takes place on the pitch in the 90 minutes what with all the play acting, feigning of injuries, deliberate disruption and delaying of play and, most notably, the disregard of referees. The FA should stop kidding itself but then here is an organisation that presided over the debacles of Wembley and Steve McClaren. Why should we be in any way surprised that its disciplinary structure and effectiveness is also second rate.

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posted May 30, 2007

This guy is a complete waste of space.

In what way did Terry act inappropriately? Poll sent him off, for a reason no-one could understand, and Terry calmly left the pitch, straight away. In a post-match interview, he was asked about it, and said he didn't know why he'd gone, and that Poll had given him two reasons. He was then (unfairly, in my opinion) given a fine for "dissing the ref" or whatever. He never spoke about it again.

Poll is clearly just trying to get his book deal, or media career started, and I hope both fail. I have no interest in "the Terry sending off, my side of the story", and I'm sure no-one else does either.

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posted May 30, 2007

As a referee myself, while I must sympathise with Graham Poll for the FA's lack of guts (standing up to any of the so-called Big clubs would make a nice change) and particularly agree with John Terry's sending off (simply for the inordinate amount of swearing at referees that seems to go on), he has been past his prime for nearly two years now, not one year.

Even before the world cup, Poll was losing his touch, and I am in no doubt as to why, as it is the same with every offical FA referee today. The blame lies entirely at the doors of Sir Alex Ferguson and Jose Mourinho, to a lesser extent Arsene Wenger and Neil Warnock. Referees are never backed to the hilt by the FA in the top flight, simply because of the amount of criticism all referees get, no matter whether a decision is right or not. If the referee doesn't see it, he can't give it, pure and simple.

In which case, I would say a change in the rules is in order: allow the referee to choose whether or not to have a video replay (simply walk over to the fourth official and see the replay on his screen and make a decision there) for any goal - scoring oppotunities, and ONLY goal scoring oppotunities, if they are in doubt. Leave the rest to the referee once more, and let him get on with it.

Poll has been a victim of hyped media attention, and the lack of loyalty of the FA disgusted me at times (although to be fair, handing out three yellow cards to the same player in one match, you're asking to be brought home in a straight jacket), and while I know that the English game now will be better for his passing, remember that he wasn't always useless, and remember why such a good referee, held in such esteem for most of his career, has been laid by the wayside now.

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posted May 30, 2007

Well done Graham Poll. It's high time a referee fired back at the whinging, egotistical prima donas that are premiership managers. Every single one of them thinks he is being cheated or taught a lesson by referees. When was the last time a manager publically said 'Yes, the referee was quite right not to give us a penalty there'. No i can't rememember either. The bottom line is that the FA is frightened of the big clubs, their players and managers. The clubs intimidate officials, refererees and anyone else who has the misfortune to get in their way. Yet another reason why football is rotten to the core and after attending matches for over 30 years I don't care if I see another one again. The obscene money, corruption, bullying and arrogance in the game nowadays is nauseating.

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comment by lean_go (U8089577)

posted May 30, 2007

Is it just me or was there a time when referees stood strong, and their suspensions were respected so much, that when an England player was suspended he was also ommitted from the England squad as well, as a mark of respect to the game.

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posted May 30, 2007

There is saying that if you don't notice the Ref during the game he/she has had a good one. However sometimes the Ref needs to be noticed by sanctions etc.

As a Level 5 Ref (Senior County) and a long way off Graham's Level I know how hard he has worked to acheive his status. Yes he is in the limelight but so would any Ref with 18 or cameras viewing the view of the Ref, except the Ref only has one!

Most players at all levels seem not to respect the Refs decisions, through ignorance or repetition, what I mean is they do it week in week out so it is excepted. When a player is correctly sanctioned ie caution/send off the Ref is wrong because they have had a look at the telly. They are unprofessional in this respect and unable to except correct decisions.

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posted May 30, 2007

Graham Poll is a pants ref!

However it is true that the FA should stand by their refs and offer them more support!

managers, no matter who they are, should respect refs and accept their decisions!

it is easy 4 us 2 sit in our arms chairs watching a match and say "that wasnt a penalty" but the ref only gets one cance, one second to make his vital decision!

take rugby for example... u dnt get players in the face of the ref arguing the decisions!! rugby players a built like bricks and yet they have been taught to respect the ref and his play to whatever he says!

footballers need to be re-educated in order to gain the levels of respect for the refs that we see in rugby!

it is teams like Chelsea that ruin the spectacle of football by surrounding the ref tryin 2 manipulate his decisions! i think that the FA should also enforce very hefty bans and fines in order to disuade footballers from continuing this disgraceful behaviour!

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posted May 30, 2007

The usual blinkered, tunnel-visioned comments about a ref who has dared to expose our sweet FA.
Full marks to him and let's hope it leads to others doing the same.
We can only hope that this action will influence the new FA set-up in a change of direction.
I'm not holding my breath though.

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posted May 30, 2007

As referees are told who they can and cannot send off by the premier league it is no wounder referees are losing respect as they have sold there souls for thirty pieces of silver and a sponsored coat. The laws of he game are for everyone one those at teh top and those at teh bottom. So referrees use them and use them correctly and to hell with the bleaters who maon and groan. Do your job or get out.

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comment by murph73 (U5416614)

posted May 30, 2007

Tell us again Mr Poll:

How many yellow cards is a player to be shown before receiving a red card? Two or three?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2006/4853428.stm

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posted May 30, 2007

I blame both. Too many referees think they should be as famous as the players (Poll being one of the leaders in this regard) and they're substandard at their jobs because they'd rather hit the headlines than do what they're supposed to do.

At the same time the FA are to blame because they're a waste of space for 2 reasons. 1. they employ these attention seeking idiots and 2. they've created an environment in football where players are so heavily paid they think they're royalty and act like brats on the pitch, which makes the job of the ref harder, how do you control people who don't respect you?

The problems they're having with Poll are just a symptom of the current footballing system, which in my opinion is in desperate need of an overhaul from top to bottom.

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comment by ogcreid (U2196028)

posted May 30, 2007

I don't know what refs are paid in the PL, but I'll bet it's small fraction of what the managers a players are paid. But now they are knocked around in public by the media and big money managers dragged into the public eye like celebrities without any training or preparation for dealing with this. Reffing in the PL without making mistakes, [because of the speed of the game and the deviousness of some the players (and managers)] is impossible. Mourinho insulting GP in pubic is disgusting: he has no right to do it. If you are a player or manager making 50,000 + a week perhaps you should expect to deal the slings and arrows of outrageous public attention. But the refs are just ordinary blokes who have devoted their lives to serving the game, and they must be respected for doing that and protected.

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posted May 30, 2007

what is a referee anyway, referees want to be the centre of attention nowdays. the players are the stars. i hate referees like Poll who make stupid decisions and then have that smug grin on their face as if they are king. im glad graham poll is gone. And also referees should be as fit as the players, if not fitter after all they should be able to cover everything that happens on the pitch. some of the referees in England are overweight. Poll has got a right tyre and a half, not to mention some of the others

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posted May 30, 2007

tomthebook?......no idea what your talking about there mate.

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posted May 30, 2007

I find it difficult to imagine a more odious group of people than those running the FA. They seem incompetent, indecisive, careless and ignorant at the very least! I think referees have a very tough job; it's a fast game and whilst we all get to see everything from six angles their decision is based on the moment. I have a huge amount of sympathy for Poll. There is no way they deserve the level of abuse they recieve from fans, players and managers. Even reading the semi-literate comments here has annoyed me! The FA has a duty to support their staff and if they don't, why would anyone want to work for them? They could however do themselves a favour by not claiming to be so bloody perfect!

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posted May 30, 2007

I reckon there is more to this than meets the eye. The real agenda here is to keep the business (sorry; 'game') in the public eye.

These sort of handbag incidents do just that. After a relatively dull game, how best to ensure media coverage for the club; why, a good row that gets front- as well as back-page coverage.

Look at the 'disgraceful mass brawl' involving chelsea and arsenal at the Millenium stadium; it was little more than a case of handbags and ruffled hairdos, yet it was still making the news a week later.

The FA, the clubs, and the media love and need all this nonsense, as it fills more column inches than the actual match ever could.

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posted May 30, 2007

I might have some sympathy for Poll if he wasn't such an a***hole. In a game where managers and players face disciplinary action if they criticise refs in public, referees should be invisible in the public eye. Graham Poll deliberately positioned himself as the "Superstar Ref".

The fact that he saw himself as the central figure in games, was confirmed to me a couple of years back when I saw a feature Football Focus ran on him, and you saw quite how full of his own importance the man was. He paraded round grounds before matches like some visiting dignitary, calling managers, players and chairman by their first names as he sneered at them, shouting across the ground to make sure they were aware of his presence, signing autographs, all the while displaying a breathtaking arrogance.

The fact is, this man is a terrible ref. I don't for one second doubt that he wanted to "teach Chelsea a lesson". I've played in matches where certain referees behave like that in amatuer football. Why would anyone think the same type of personalty didn't exist in certain refs in professional football? As an Everton fan, his incompetence cheated us out of the cup against Arsenal, and he later lied about his reasons for sending off Faddy. He also cost Spurs this season against Arsenal in one of the most rotten displays I've seen by a ref at any level. He had an absolute shocker at the World Cup, which proved he was a poor ref. I'm glad he was exposed in such a public manner. I didn't see quite so many magazine and TV interviews from him this year.

Dreadful ref, horrible man, good riddance to bad rubbish.

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posted May 30, 2007

In the 1980s 'fans' moved from being asked to believe referees were myopic to believing they were intentionally so; in the 1990s the same 'fans' moved from doubting a referee's parentage to doubting his fairness. We've now arrived at the point at which managers - not just fans - now openly cast doubts on their integrity, fairness, judgement, reason and even sanity. This downward spiral is what a game like football deserves when its governing body regards this lack of respect for independent officials as 'a bit of fun' and referees as fair game. While the FA has looked on, referees have been vilified, threatened and cajoled openly by managers. The FA - and fans - now deserve what they get: a game dominated by threats from egomaniacal managers and (some) violent thuggish fans. Why anyone willingly chooses to officiate at a game of football - at any level - is beyond me.

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comment by raf594 (U1685034)

posted May 30, 2007

I am delighted that Graham Poll has spoken out about the pathetic attitude of the FA & the Premiership towards the vitriolic comments that come from managers & the prima donna players generally. Of course they should support the referee on all occasions. Rugby Union, which is a real man's game, gives an example of how these matters should be handled and how players should behave. In Rugby how many times do you see a referee give a dressing down to a player almost twice his size with the player accepting the admonition in a proper fashion. Nor do you see half the team harrassing a referee because they don't like a decision. Only the Captain may approach to ask the reason for such a decision. Why? because rugby referees are supported by everybody involved in the game. I say bravo! to Graham Poll for telling it the way it is.

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posted May 30, 2007

Most Referees would have finished after giving the same player a yellow card 3 times in the worlds biggest football tournament, but he couldnt help one last stab at the limelight. John Terrys sending off against Spurs was an error, but rather than coming out and admitting it, he goes on the offensive. Regardless of Chelsea's actions he was a glory hunter, spoilt many high profile games, but also plenty of others that werent televised. I dont think he was biased against any particular team, just a very poor, media savvy ref. Goodbye, good riddance.

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posted May 30, 2007

Of course Graham Poll is right but the FA are in hock to the clubs and the expensive pampered players.
The need for a sin bin and immediate punishment of dissenting players is an absolute necessity. Frankly the behavioour of the players actually spoils the game stops it flowing and wastes time

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comment by Freddie (U2254385)

posted May 30, 2007

Graham Poll should not have been allowed to referee anymore games after the World Cup Fiasco. He lost all credibility as a referee in my eyes. There are too many referees out there who think they are God and can do what they want.

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posted May 30, 2007

Should anyone really be giving this clown air time? He was an inept league referee and a complete embarrassment to himself and to everyone in this country at the world cup. Do us a favour, retire quietly and dont bother publishing a book about your exciting career in card counting.

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posted May 30, 2007

Graham Poll has been one of the worst referees in my opinion, he is the worst of the bunch for wanting to be the centre of attention and grabbing the limelight. This is just another little anecdote he can use on the after dinner speach circuit or for if he gets TV work, which he has expressed an interest in.

Referees are supposed to control games but far too many of them are influencing results with poor decisions these days. The incident in question concerning John Terry was a joke and the player did not deserve a second yellow and the red card that resulted.

It's not always referees fault though and the football authorities fail to back them in ways that really matter, such as clamping down on diving and other forms of cvheating, or by introducing technology which can eliminate errors in major decsions.

This is a multi-million pound business which is being influenced by poor decisions made by many referees who don't have too much clue what it is like to actually play the game.

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posted May 30, 2007

It's times like this that makes Graham Poll my hero, he's a legend in the eyes of the nation!

*SENSE THE SARCASM!*

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posted May 30, 2007

I'm with Poll on this. The FA has been useless in its support of the officials. With some players and managers actually accusing refs of cheating and getting away with nothing but a fine (which means little or nothing to these highly paid prima donnas).
Start docking points and suspending players for their outbursts and then see how attitudes change.

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comment by stuvon (U5867888)

posted May 30, 2007

What the Chelsea players and manager have said is no different to Wenger saying the Carling cup linesman lied. They should all recieve the same punishment.

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posted May 30, 2007

I would say abit of both. The FA does need to keep the big four and the pretenders in check. However the FA needs a reality check. I am glad we didn't make the FA Cup final as I would have had to sell a kidney to afford the programme, yet all the gigs this summer are much cheaper. The FA needs to clamp down on officials who clearly hero workship/ are scared/ not fit - a fine example of this was Blackburn Rovers versus West Ham when the inept trio on the day gave the worst goal of the season, followed up by a dive from a player who shouldn't have been playing. It sometimes seem that being a ref in the premiership is the only profession where poor performances equal a promotion. The also need to sort out the tapping up problems in English football, it seems we are starting to copy the Real Madrid approach of leaking it to the paper for a few months to unsettle a player then when he's wanting a move put in a cheap offer. I won't miss Poll given the number of poor displays he's given at Ewood over the years

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posted May 30, 2007

I do sympathise with Poll because, as was mentioned earlier on this thread, we live in a era where cheating and gameship are rife.

Moving the discussion on a bit, what about the use of a sin bin, perhaps mainly for dissent but not necessarily restricted to this. Can't see any logistical problems with this and may liven up some games because the team with 11 may try to take advantage of say, 10 mintues with the opponent down to 10 men.

Any thoughts?

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posted May 30, 2007

you can all say what you like about what poll did at the world cup.

But he is spot on the f.a havent ever backed the ref's properly. The f.a hardly ever charge a player if the ref missed an incident in a game.

Like 3 micheal brown tackles this season.

Poll has been criticised to high heaven for 1 mistake. The f.a makes mistake after mistake and somehow get away with it.

Look at the west ham thing , micheal brown last year , micheal ball , ben thatcher. they all did disgusting things and got crappy bans

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posted May 30, 2007

Mr Poll always seems to want to be the star of the show - for this reason he is a bad ref. I do not agree that referees should be above criticism or should automatically be supported by the FA. However, managers or players should not intimidate them, lie or con them into wrong decisions through diving etc. Each case should be considered on its own merits. In this case, I believe Poll was proved right, so what on earth is he complaining about? Oh yes, he wasn't publicly patted on the head. Why should we be surprised by his reaction?

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posted May 30, 2007

Most Football fans have a natural hatred of refs anyway, its all about being part of a social group, do as the pack does, do as the pack says. Its human nature and referees become referees because they are at the top end of alpha maleism, they like to take charge and to dominate, its all part of the human hierarchy system, if we lived in the wild, Graham Poll would be at the top and the players and fans under him. As far as Grahams retirement goes, all Alpha Males get deposed in the end.

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