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posted Apr 19, 2007

Personally I’m not interested in UFC, kick boxing, or “wrestling” but I also think that pro boxing has been on it's deathbed for some years now. I recently saw a fight on TV with the two boxers wearing ridiculous shorts and adverts written on their backs. With at least 3 different world titles for every weight and any decent boxer being protected and given easy fights, it’s hardly a spectacle to attract serious sports fans. There’s also the question the lack of young boxers coming through, particularly in the USA. In Spain, where I now live, promising boxers are given bouts with people literally picked up off the street, usually East European immigrants who serve as human punchbags for a couple of hundred euros. It’s all very sad.

I used to be a boxing addict and I still get to as many live fights as I can, but I can see that, unless BIG changes are made, the sport of pro boxing will be dead in a few years.

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comment by pele32 (U7909133)

posted Apr 19, 2007

ufc is a brilliant sport, i started watching it about a year ago and im absolutely hooked,
unpredictiable knockouts, super fit athletes,
and an excellent sport on the up, can only see it getting bigger and bigger, all my mates are also hooked,

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posted Apr 19, 2007

A world class boxer would pick of a UFC fighter on the way in and drop em.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

I pretty much agree with puskas. I think boxing has been dying a slow death for many years. The culprit is boxing itself. Too many different organisations running their own 'world' titles. Too many promoters just thinking about the money. Too many boxers taking easy fights. Too much hype and not enough substance. Too many divisions with a lack of real quality competition (most notably the prestigious heavyweight division). In fact, too many divisions, full stop.
Whether UFC is going to take over long term, only time will tell. Wrestling was big not long ago and has died somewhat over here. Will more 'Ultimate Fighting' organisations spring up and start running their own belts? Will it start falling apart just like boxing did?

As a spectacle it's okay on TV where the cameras are close up but with 90% of most bouts spent having two men grappling on the floor I can't imagine why I'd want to see it live. Two men wrestling just isn't as exciting as two men standing toe-to-toe boxing.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

UFC is great and i do enjoy watching it. It can be more exciting and its taken very seriously by the fighters. Only thing is i dont want to see it replace boxing. Boxing at its best is better than UFC by a mile. Trouble is boxing has not been at its best for a while. Some people are saying that boxing has too many belts and i agree with this. The trouble with UFC tho is that they are just one of many Mixed Martial Arts organisations. There are better fighters in Prides organisation and what were seeing now is a power/money struggle between these organisations which means we have the question. Who is the best, who is the best heavy weight MMA in the world or who is the best lightweight? We will never know because these fighters are signed up to different companys who will never let there fighters go up against each other. Its as bad as having 4 heavy weight champs in boxing. Fact is if the boxing fans get annoyed with the many boxing titles then in my opinion UFC and MMA as a whole is at present a little worse.

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comment by sgcuwe (U7618897)

posted Apr 19, 2007

I totally disagree with IanBar30 statement a mma fighter wouldn’t stand and trade with and world class boxer he would shoot and take him down and beat him on the mat. that’s y its called mixed marshal arts cos u hav to be good at every thing. the sport of mma has come so far from the early days most fighters hav degrees hav trained for years to get where they are and are not protected on the way like boxers are. mma will take over cos the action is more interesting and the fighters more skilled and more athletic

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posted Apr 19, 2007

"A world class boxer would pick of a UFC fighter on the way in and drop em."

I doubt this. You have to be more then a big hitter. What happens if you’re fighting a guy who is on his back in a fighting stance? Constantly kicking at your knees. How you going to land a punch then?

I’ve no doubt some boxers could go into UFC and be very successful, but they would have to learn other disciplines as well. One of the favourite submissions used is an arm bar. You rely on your punches alone - you’re going down

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posted Apr 19, 2007

In boxing rules yes.. they spend all their time with their hands..

MMA includes so much more.. in an MMA fight any boxer would be sibmitted within seconds by a top level MMA fighter.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

If any of you guys think boxing is dying just look at the fight at the beginning of next month, de la hoya vs mayweather, de la hoya is getting $30 million + ppv % and pretty boy $16 + ppv %.
You think UFC can compete with that ? Chuck Liddel who is the biggest name in mma right now got $250,000 for his last fight. I think that says enough on its own. This video explains that well : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB5XxIzrRAk

You have to remember also boxing is a well based sport with huge amauter background, where mma has a very small field of competitors you really think that MMA fighters are on the same professional level as boxers ? You really can't compare the two. I watch both mma and boxing for me boxing is a true sport wheres mma is closer to WWE.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

Ah but Hudson Eagle - UFC has just bought PrideFC for $US 70M last month. In fact, now UFC are probably the undisputed authority for MMA. I would further suggest that it is non-analogous to compare the situation with rubbish alphabet titles in boxing to the competition between Pride and UFC (which doesn't exist anymore) as UFC and Pride athletes often cross borders to fight each other even if they end up losing. Chuck Liddell, for example, is a UFC legend but he went to Japan to fight, and eventually lose, to a Pride FC fighter. Many many many others like Mirko Cro Cop et. al. have done the same. In any case, that's a non-issue now.

I am, however, saddened by the corruption of boxing as a sport; in my spare time I am an amateur boxing trainer and I love the sport. I feel that some of the lads I train are no longer captivated by the sport and will not pursue the development of their talent at the professional leagues.

All credit to Dana White and Marc Ratner for making UFC what it is today. Boxing's got a lot to do to catch up!

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comment by pele32 (U7909133)

posted Apr 19, 2007

what if a the professional boxer meets a professional wrestler, where he just gets grappled and slammed to the math everytime,
or a excellent kick boxer where he lands knee kicks constantly while also aiming flying kicks to the head, thats bull about a world class boxer picking of a ufc fighter easy,
they are some grat athletes in the ufc that any world class boxer would find it hard to live with,
examples are george st pierre, matt hughes,
chuck liddell, excellent fighters,

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posted Apr 19, 2007

Too many divisions with a lack of real quality competition

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That's true. It's all designed to create as many titles as possible. What about the "Not Quite super-Middle but Heavier than a Middle" Weight? They're inventing them all the time. Everybody can be a champ today. We'll soon have more titles than fighters.
In the old days we had one Middle Weight and the champ had as much prestige as the Heavyweight champ - SG Robinson, Marvin Hagler etc. for example.
And now?

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posted Apr 19, 2007

The UFC is a good watch and once you get in to it you really appreciate the more intricate aspects of it. As great as it is to watch someone get knocked out and take a few kicks and punches whislt they are down, the art of submissions is also fantastic. An arm bar can be as exciting as a knock out punch.

I am a fan of all competitive sports and this is another good spectacle. Without, it seems so far, any corruption which will hopefully continue. Also, you can look at the fighters and where they are from and there are such a range of athletes from all over the world, as opposed to the latest HBO golden fighter so everyone gets exposure if they are good enough. At the same time, I don't feel there is or should be a divide. Boxing will still produce a few people that will excite us and we all know that we will still watch the big fights.

It is also worth looking out for the Pride fighting Championship where a lot of the MMA athletes also compete.

Funnily enough, one of the main reasons I personally started following UFC was when Ken Shamrock entered the WWE (WWF at the time). Funny really! blush

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posted Apr 19, 2007

Well yes boxing may still be bigger than UFC now, but if you look at how far MMa has come in just 5 years, If I were a boxing promoter I would be very scared.

and with MMa, you actually have to be educated in it to enjoy it, otherwise yes, it looks like 2 blokes rolling around on the floor.

I think its great that ppl are actually taking it very seriously as a sport, and i think its a credit to what the guys at the UFC have done in recent years.

And some MMA fights do turn out like boxing matches when u got 2 kickboxers in there....but u have no gloves, no endless clinching, 5 minute rounds...I love boxing too but give me MMA and day...And The Ultimate Fighter is the best show on TV...its a great introduction to the game.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

Ha it's funny to see how a aboxing fan/boxer says they would trash a UFC fighter, when they participate in a COMPLETELY different sport with completely different rules. MMA and boxing require two completely seperate skills sets. A boxer couldn't go into a cage and becoming a cage fighting world champ. Boxers are used to fighting with many rules, and don't know how to fight on the ground, whihc is a very skilled art, but requires understanding of the game to appreciate it.

I used to think that stand up fighting/ striking was all that mattered, but had my eyes opened when I went to an MMA class and fought even some beginner/intermediate MMA players. Think about the number of times boxers clinch, especially when they get tired, well consider every time a clinch happens, a top, judo, wrestler, or Brazilian Jiu Jitsu player will have you on the ground. They can't even stop each other taking them down, let alone a boxer whose had no grappling training trying to stop them getting the take down.

I personally think that whilst the mainstream might be attracted to MMA (Pride is much better than UFC) because of the marketing and spectacle of two people fighting in a cage, boxing will always have a following. Boxing requires different skills, and gives variety as opposed to just watching MMA all the time or vice versa.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

A boxer would not necessarily defeat a mixed martial artist. Many mixed martial artists are highly skilled boxers.

Stephan Bonnar for example is a 6'3" 205 pound former Golden Gloves junior Boxing champion, I believe. Although he has had some success in the Octagon and is a fan favourite because of his hard head and aggressive stand up style, he isn't in the championship shake-up at 205 pounds and has been defeated by other stand up fighters and more traditonal wrestling/Jiu Jitsu fighters.

What Mcguigan calls rolling about on the floor is very technical greco-roman wrestling and Jiu Jitsu submission attempts, although I admit there is the more basic and brutal ground and pound technique favoured by many fighters.

Mcguigan had hard heavy hands and real guts, but if even a lightweight (11 stone) JJ guy got him he would break his limb or choke him out in a matter of seconds.

As a fighter Mcguigan should show more respect to other fighters regardless of their sport.

I'll tell you something I'd rather fight Barry McGuigan when he's in a mad rage than fight George Saint Pierre in his best mood ever.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

With the purchase of Pride by the owners of UFC you really do have the possibility of Best vs Best.. Fedor vs Randy Couture, Lidel vs Silva etc.. UFC / Pride are planning these super fights where the belt holder in each organisation will fight each other.

Outside of the big 2, the smaller events, Cage Rage, IFL etc.. will be the feeder events where up and commers can get their experiance.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

'Pick off a boxer on the way in', I'm sorry, I don't know what you are basing that comment on. The dynamics of Mixed Martial Arts are completely different to that of boxing e.g. smaller gloves, the throwing of kicks and knees, bigger cages/rings, clinching, take-downs etc. Matt Skelton fought MMA in Japan against a wrestler, and got beaten very quickly.

I do agree, however, that boxers would win in a boxing match against an 'ultimate' fighter.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

MMA has become big because it does what boxing hasn't over the past few years - give people great competition at the top level, and have undisputed world champions at each weight class. And it also has fighters that people care about - people wanted to see Randy Couture come back and win the UFC Heavyweight Title, and his comeback drew the largest crowd in MMA history, and one of the biggest buyrates. No wonder people like Girls Aloud want to be seen at an MMA card rather than some rubbish Frank Warren promotion.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

With the world of MMA, im ecstatic it’s getting the mainstream exposure it deserves. Personally I feel both boxing and MMA can co-exist, and im not going to enter into a debate on who would win in a fight between a boxer and MMA expert as it’s quite circumstantial. (After all its this very debate which was one of the main fundamental reasons MMA came about in the first place in the early 90’s in North America).

It does sadden and amuse all at the same time with the boxing experts entering into the debate and “slagging” MMA off. I see it as a desperate attempt to hide their insecurities relating to their bruised corrupt sport, coupled with their lack of education with the sport.

Also, someone mentioned earlier about the Pay packet for the Mayweather fight and Liddel only getting 250k. Firstly you do realise that Liddel will also have a contract with the UFC which will see him get something like $10 million over 3-4 years as well as fees for winning his fights???? Obviously not I guess. Plus the May “Super fight” is the first such boxing even in years, where as at a UFC ppv you get such an event at least at every other event.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

Matt Skelton is currently the british heavyweight boxing champion. What a lot of people do not know is that he fought a professional MMA fight in 2001 in the Pride FC against a journeyman US fighter called Tom Erikson. He was tapped out in under 2 minutes from a choke. This really does not support the earlier boxers claim that a world class boxer (skelton is ranked top ten by the WBO) would wipe the floor with a professional MMA fighter. Can you imagine what Fedor would have done to Skelton or would do to any heavyweight boxer? Regarding earlier comments I agree entirely that boxing and mma are entirely different disciplines with differing rules and skill sets required and both sports have great merit. What annoys me is the blind arrogance of the majority of the boxing community denouncing MMA when in truth they just do not get it. They also quote the historical argument that boxing is a traditional sport and has been practised and honed over hundreds of years and MMA is a new flash in the pan sport. MMA is an amalgamation of Judo, BJJ, Karate, Muay Thai, Greco-Roman Wrestling and many more. These disciplines have been practised for a lot longer than the Queensbury rules style of boxing. I think more respect is due!!!

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posted Apr 19, 2007

I think there has been some PRIDE is better quality than UFC hype. Now UFC have the rights to all PRIDE fighters we will soon find out. However, I think we will find that they are at about the same standard. Some UFC guys will win and some PRIDE guys will win.

As for Rampage he looked rusty and one dimensional against Eastman, who is little more than an MMA journeyman. I fancy Liddell will knock him out. Chuck's takedown defense is now the best in the game. I struggle to see from the Eastman fight what Rampage will bring to repeat his vicory over Liddell. Chuck has developed since then.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

There was a guy down my boxing gym who I think fought in Cage Rage, I think he was a top ten fighter or top ten british fighter, don't know, I think he has trained in many martial Arts, but he said that he more focussed on boxing now for his skills, and that he was more nervous fighting with a boxer then someone ofs his discipline because of the natural hand speed, power and accuracy of the punches, he said when you are facing a punching fighter, once you get to the latrer minutes, and you have taken some heavy shots, its very hard chasing the opponent to clinch them when they are picking you off just outside of your fighting range.

Obviously this wouldnt apply to all the guys, it would depend on style, and its naive to say one type of fighter would always beat another.

But like most people have said, octagon fightiong is getting alot more popular and the big fights are being made, but I dont honestly think it will over take boxing, and thats because boxing has an accepted public image, although it is complained about and boring lefty's try to ban it, its not uncommon for a family of all ages to sit together and watch the big fight. I do think tho that UFC will become more popular among pure fight fans who appreciate the entire fight, rather then just there guy winning.

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comment by drjones (U1771947)

posted Apr 19, 2007

People will always like boxing because of its long recorded history on film. But a boxer against a top martial artist isnt even worth debating.

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comment by Big D (U3331310)

posted Apr 19, 2007

"I do think tho that UFC will become more popular among pure fight fans who appreciate the entire fight, rather then just there guy winning."

"pure fight fans" would surely be more attracted to a cross section of fighters rather then a single style? I think they can both co-exist but I feel the younger generations will prefer UFC to boxing.

Mainly due to boxing politics, numerous titles at weights and the fact that the UFC is actively seeking to improve so should hopefully get better.

Lets take Frank Warren and Don King for example, if Dana White had the boxers these to had under his control I GUARENTEE that we would have had:

1- Hatton in superfights before he split from FW.
2 - Calzaghe having had and going to have his superfights.
3 - One world heavyweight Champ.

Dana White aint afraid to give the fans whatthey want, FW and other promoters are scared of losing their meal tickets.

Some of you will argue that dana white aint a promoter, he aint but he controls the match ups, promoters have too much control in boxing and boxing is being ruined because of it!

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posted Apr 19, 2007

Boxings 'accepted public image' is of a sport riddled with corruption and greed, and with about 100 meaningless fights to every meaningful one. Just look at the farce in Cardiff. Boxing will never recover from what it has done to itself, and now that there is an accaptable alternative the future for boxing is looking grim, and deservedly so. I think most sports fans (and even boxing fans) look upon boxing with abject horror over what the sport has become. it seems like the whole point of boxing is to try the utmost to make sure the top fighters never fight each other

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posted Apr 19, 2007

btw i agree with bigd, boxing promoters make football agents look like mother theresa

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posted Apr 19, 2007

Can i just make a comment on the issue of a boxer beating a MMA with ease.

Fair enough comments on that a boxer walking into a ring to fight MMA rules fight would struggle, and would not simply knock the other guy out.

But a point id like to make is i can see a great boxing champion being trained and becomming a great MMA fighter.
I could not see a great MMA fighter being trained to win a world title in boxing. Do you think Chuck Liddel could take up boxing and be a champ? NO WAY!

My point is you can not compare the 2 sports against each other and get a fair result.
If you took a great boxer against a great MMA in a boxing bout then the boxer would win easily. If you take the same two fighters and they fought a MMA bout, you would see the MMA pro win. But doesnt any boxer have a punchers chance in MMA.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

maybe this will make the boxing world to look up and finally make the best fighters fight each other instead of just the name's, instead of calzaghe/manfredo we could of had calzaghe/kessler and a good fight to boot! UFC is novel but really, is it an art form like the sweet science? i think ufc its a step backwards as it is more than likely that the modern form of boxing owns a little to older vertions of ufc, ie a scrap outside a pub.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

The main difference in the management the sports, apart from the obvious longer history of boxing, is the fact that MMA fighters do not have promoters trying to make the fights for them. UFC decide who fights who and then agents can agree a fee with them. As long as it stays like this the fights will always remain competative and that is a big plus over boxing.

The one fear UFC should have is another organisation trying to muscle in and create it's own competition. If that happens MMA will go the same way as boxing with 100+ world titles in each weight category, people turning down fights and losing belts because organisations say they have to defend it against their fighter and titles holders taking easy fights to keep money coming in.

UFC also seems to be attracting the younger crowd, Hollywood stars are regulars at even the lower level fights, the fighters are younger and (in many cases) fitter than boxers and this is something boxing is failing to do.

All in all I think the people involved in boxing should be very worried.

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comment by boils (U2585143)

posted Apr 19, 2007

well guys
I'll put my cards on the table before. I have reported on K1 and Pride events
MMA is growing so fast and getting PPV numbers far greater than boxing due to the rounded skills shown, the unified champions and the fact that there are millions of martial arts out there from judo, karate, kickboxing or Tae Kwan Do who recognise their own sport with MMA and are energised by it. While a good ko is always exciting, my favourite ever fighter is Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, the Brazilian Ju-Jitsu expert who is brave beyond a lion and beaten many of the greats (including Crocop who tops the bill this weekend) by submission. a great submission takes years of martial arts training.

No one underestimates Judo as a sport. MMA will revered in the same way in years to come.

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comment by Big D (U3331310)

posted Apr 19, 2007

"But doesnt any boxer have a punchers chance in MMA."

Bit of a silly comment surely? If the boxer has a punchers chance in MMA surely the MMA fighter has a boxers chance in Boxing?

"But a point id like to make is i can see a great boxing champion being trained and becomming a great MMA fighter.
I could not see a great MMA fighter being trained to win a world title in boxing. Do you think Chuck Liddel could take up boxing and be a champ? NO WAY!"

No where near as easy as you think, theres no way a "great boxing champ" (theres what ,maybe two or three at the min?) would have the time to fully be able to learn any of the MMA style properly. As for the MMA fighters there a few of them that have done well in the golden gloves champs earlier in their careers.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

What tripe HudsonEagle.

That's like saying any human being who has the strength to swing a punch has a 'punchers chance'.

Explain Hasim Rahman. A terrible boxer who became world heavyweight champion because he had a 'punchers chance'. Bad fighters have more of a punchers chance in boxing than they do in MMA.

A journeyman boxer going into MMA would be destroyed because of the simple fact that the opponent would KNOW that he was ONLY a boxer and not conversant with any other fight style.

So the MMA fighter wouldn't even get into a position where the boxer could throw a meaningful punch.

He would shoot in take him down and break his arm.

A boxer's best chance would be a flying knee to the face as the mma guy shoots in.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

im so gutted its on ppv on setanta, does anyone know how much it costs and if u have to fully subscribe to setanta to get it? Are bravo gonna do a re-run at any point?

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posted Apr 19, 2007

I think the reason I prefer MMA to Boxing (I was and still are a huge boxing fan) is the quality of the cards.. UFC events on Bravo give you 4 quality fights at least per card.. sadly the same cannot be said of most boxing fights.. bottom line I find MMA much more interesting to watch.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

I know, I won't have ppv on principle. You don't have to subscribe but I think it will probably be £12-15. If it was a better card I might consider it, but I would be buying it just for Bisping and he's not at the level yet where I will pay £15 quid to see him. Ravishing Red was about 2 inches from submitting him. Elvis has a poor record on paper but he's been in with the best, I expect Bisping to win but I wouldn't be surprised if he loses.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

MMA all the way. More fun, multi-dimensional and entertaining to watch than boxing by far. So many weight categories in Boxing makes it boring- watching the Pride FC Open weight fights is a different league. MMA WILL start to dominate boxing in the UK as it has done in the states on PPV tv. This UFC in Manchester will be a real eye opener for people who have not yet seen the likes of Cro Cop and Arlovski in action. These guys are SERIOUS athletes- not Danny Williams etc

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comment by abraxis (U4691069)

posted Apr 19, 2007

where have the boxing comments gone? They seem to have been replaced by this UFC thread. Imo it is fine for the two sports to co-exist as I enjoy both of them, but as the boxing comments seem to have disapeared does this mean the BBC are replacing boxing with UFC?

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comment by marv (U1683568)

posted Apr 19, 2007

UFC is awesome, Moloney is naive to think that the UFC franchise is just going to go away. Boxing needs to get its act together as the number of complete mismatches being billed as "top fights" in boxing these days is becoming a joke. I've lost count of how many belts, divisions and "champions" there are that no has ever heard of, let alone seen box. I've not preferred boxing to martial arts since the days when Tyson was at his peak.

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comment by marv (U1683568)

posted Apr 19, 2007

"A world class boxer would pick of a UFC fighter on the way in and drop em."
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This is complete nonsense, the first punch the boxer throws he's gonna get a wrist lock, taken down to the floor and pulped. The MMA guys are also much fitter.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

I give full respect to the mixed martial arts; I thank them for putting on well matched fights and even though I am a boxing fan I fully appreciate the skills needed in any martial art as I for one believe that boxing in it self is a martial art.

For me boxing at the elite level will always be a better spectacle than UFC but at the Frank Warren level I would definitely prefer UFC.

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comment by drjones (U1771947)

posted Apr 19, 2007

Martial artists are natural fighters. Skelton was a MMA guy with no Amatuer boxing experince and has reached the pinnacle of boxing in his own country and is waiting for world honours He is doing better than boxing purist Audley Harrison. That says it all to me. MMA owns a boxer.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

Hang on a minute!
I recall people saying the same thing about kickboxing and it frazzled out quiet quickly. I think if you ask a real fan of fighting sports boxing is the ultimate because there is so much skill involved within the participation-as well as the fact that there are strict rules which mean that fighters have do's and dont's. This is where the skill lies and so competitions such as UFC are found wanting-not because of lack of action, which with comparisson to boxing has more, but simply due to the fact that it has no basis for weighing up individuals from different backgrounds and eras.

For instance, how many times have you been asked the question:
"who would win in a fight-Ali or Tyson?"

This wouldnt happen in UFC and so it relies on its brutal combat to draw people in.

For Americans its perfect because the bigger the violence the better but for the rest of the world they are more interested in the skill and the process of winning and thats why boxing shouldnt be worried.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

Wow! The BBC thinks Paris Hilton is A-list!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/6568593.stm

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posted Apr 19, 2007

"This is complete nonsense, the first punch the boxer throws he's gonna get a wrist lock, taken down to the floor and pulped. The MMA guys are also much fitter."

How the hell can you say that?! Why is a boxers punch any different to a MMA? MMA fighters throw punches, do they get caught in arm locks each time? No! MMA fighters use boxing to enhance their striking skills so its all the same technique. I feel like boxers are being hard done by on this forum.
Let me put it like this. If a Mike Tyson in his prime had taken a year out to train as much as possible for MMA i think he would have kicked them all into another world, or punched at least.
I think at the very least you would have to say any decent boxers have better striking ability than most MMA fighters. This is not a put down but if a guy trians his whole career to punch then he is gonna be better than Mr Judo at punching.

As for my point earlier, i believe that although MMA has much more skill than just striking it still leans towards striking and ground and pound. As striking is such an important skill i do think boxers would do well.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

pool legend...

your post is full of so many inaccurate and irrelevant points its untrue.

UFC has loads of rules, many more than boxing because the combat is more varied.

As for the violence, much more ppl are brain damaged and killed in boxing

As for comparing it to kickboxing, thats a ridiculous point. Yes it frazzled out, but i dont think u can call beating ppv buyrates for boxing 'frazzling out'. UFC is a global force...was kickboxing ever in the same league???

And as for your different eras point, im not quite sure what the hell your on about.....you could easily debate gracie v jeremy horn, militich v hughes.

and as for saying its not skilful, you need to learn many more techniques and skills in MMA than boxing....only someone ignorant of the sport (as you appear to be) would make such a silly comment.

and as for saying its for americans, do you have any idea how many brazilian, russian, japanese fighters there are?? and there is many MMA gyms and promotions in this country.

If your gonna argue against something, it helps if you have the vaguest idea what your talking about

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posted Apr 19, 2007

I believe the two sports can co-exist but that is not to say that boxing doesnt have serious problems.
Boxing really does need to sort itself out, with all the different world champions it is becoming farcical.
The best thing about UFC is you get proper match ups between fighters not the mis-matches that often occur in boxing(Calzaghe v Manfredo springs immediatly to mind)!

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comment by l001 (U851442)

posted Apr 19, 2007

For all you boxing fans who may be under the impression that MMA fighters are nothing more than 'amateurs', check out Mirko Filopovic, a croatian striker, who has successfully made the transistion to MMA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlQ3YqC6TqM

Regarding boxers training hard to become MMA fighters, not nessacerily true. Cro Cop above has been quite successful, but many other boxers have failed miserably.

The same goes with MMA fighters. There is no reason why an MMA fighter with decent skills in boxing (like most have), wouldn't be able to train boxing full time and become a champion. Some could, others couldn't.

There are a few important tools a boxer loses in MMA...
Ducking and weaving is not particuarly effective, due to knees, kicks, and elbows from 'unexpected' angles.
Rolling with punches does not really work with the much less padded MMA gloves.
You cannot catch jabs and other punches on the gloves like in boxing.
You cannot rest in a clinch, knees driven into your thighs and body hurt.
You have to learn a new style of weight distribution, one that allows you to drop your weight backwards very quickly, incase of a wrestling shot, which can disrupt the commitment to punching combinations.

Anyway, just some education for a few people.

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posted Apr 19, 2007

sirliverpoollegend

You are repeating a hopelessly out of date stereotype of the UFC.

Jiu Jitsu, Karate, Greco-Roman Wrestling and Pankration have been around a lot longer the the Queensbury Rules, pal.

These sports are older and require more skill and training than boxing.

If you genuinely believe there are no rules and no skill involved in mixed martial arts then you shouldn't be allowed out unsupervised.

Brutal? There have been no fatalities in any organised MMA events. How many deaths or seroius brain injuries result from professional boxing?

Boxing relies on barrow boy gangsters to run it. It is the most brutal, exploitative and corrupt sport in the world. The huge majority of boxers are unfit journeyman who earn a pittance.

The majority of MMA professionals are extremely fit. Many come from the american collegiate sport background (wrestling and Jiu Jitsu)and have academic degrees and a background of years and years of structured training and education. Others come from Martial arts centres across asia which have been teaching these disciplines for centuries.

How many boxers have that level of education and discipline?

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posted Apr 19, 2007

Silverpoollegend, as stated above really:

The main fundamental reason why there’s none of the “Ali Tyson” talk in MMA is because the sport has only really been around for 14 years, where as your referring to boxers from 2 completely eras. Plus another reason is the guys who fought back in the early 90’s are still fighting today, because a MMA fighter has a longer life span (Hence the World Heavyweight champ in the UFC being 43/44) as it is a safer sport regardless of the opinion it being an Ultra Violent sport.

Just out of interest how much UFC have you watched??? To describe it as “Brutal” sounds more like someone jumping on the very small and miniature critic band wagon to someone who has actually sat down and observed the art of MMA. UFC statistically is safer than boxing and the only reason people brand it barbaric or brutal is because they look at the premise of two guys fighting in a cage and start to jump to conclusions with out having any hard facts. I will admit that Pride, the now defunct bought up Japanese promotion was a lot more violent than the UFC as it allowed ground kicks and stamping, but the UFC are working on getting a globally recognised set of rules.

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