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Le Guen VS Ferguson

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posted Jan 4, 2007

Following on from the Presley afair at Hearts, will be very interesting to see how the press and pundits handle this?

Will Ferguson get to Vet the next manager to ensure he handles the club the way he like it done?

If not whats to stop the whole afair being repeated should Fergusons form drop and the nxt Rangers manager has to leave by "Mutual Consent".

My personal point of view is Murray will regret not backing his manager in this. What will happen in the changing room now?

Will it be Durrant and Fergasun vrs all the players that PLG brought in?

Rangers also have 26 days to find a new manager and then off load the players that they dont want and bring in players that he does during the transfer window.

Or will Durrant et money to spend?

Or woe betide will Murray "the owner" decide on the transfers.

If it is the last optin a certain Lithuanian will be laughing all the way to Andy Walkers Scotsport studio.

Imagine an Owner getting involved in the football side of a club in Scotland.

laugh

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posted Jan 4, 2007

too true...

they have made a real hash of this and the dressing room must be in a shambles. At least they are messing everything up in a season where they are not going to win anything of significance.

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posted Jan 4, 2007

I shouldnt be laughing as Harts can get into a mess like this just as easy.

But somehow I cant get the smile off my face thinking what the pro-rangers journalists are going to say about this.

Owner of club gets involved in playing side and manager leaves.

That sounds so familure to me as a Jambo.

lets hope the impartial (well they say they are) press can report this in an open honest and very funny way.

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posted Jan 4, 2007

Quite agree - we will turn into Newcastle with Shearer picking who comes and goes from now on. Murray should have stuck to his 'long term' line instead of panderring to another overpaid footi player

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comment by Stewart (U1675364)

posted Jan 4, 2007

Not a rangers fan but think this is the best solution for the club. Very easy to sit and laugh at the club but I have mates that are fans and they all supported Barry. The guy would bleed for the club and perhaps should be involved in selecting the next manager.

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posted Jan 4, 2007

What a shambles. Will the club be renamed as Barry Ferguson FC and the stadium renamed Barrys Patch. Time again for a vastly overrated player to move on.

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posted Jan 4, 2007

I think that this is a culmination of the fact that his signings haven't been up to scratch, he seemed unable to motivate his players, constantly giving the same "what can I do?" answer and shrug of the shoulders.

I also believe that the Fergie decision was made without consulting Murray.

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comment by u45106 (U2079629)

posted Jan 4, 2007

This is a big surprise....i'm not sure ferguson would have really wanted this - since Rangers don't usually act like this with managers.
My guess is that the captain issue, may not have been past through Murray, or the PR team.
PLG had a big reputation, and may do well in Europe still.
The only problem is....who's next in line. I never wanted rid of alex mcleish anyway.

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posted Jan 4, 2007

Definately player power gone mad, and completely predictable.

I've heard that Dowie is lined up already.

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posted Jan 4, 2007

THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE AGES AGO, LETS JUST GET A HALF DECENT MANAGER WHO CAN AT LEAST GET SOME DECENT RESULTS, THE PLAYERS THAT PLG HAS BROUGHT IN ARE ALL FLOPS

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comment by mc0116 (U7028346)

posted Jan 4, 2007

It's hard to decide which side to go with. Le Guen has been quite contradictory in his decisions since joining (4-2-3-1 then back to 4-4-2 as well as the Letizi / McGregor fiasco and now the Ferguson / Captain roles), though he do prove to be a successful boss in France. Did he leave Lyon too early too? What was his thinking on that one?

Ferguson is obviously going to be influential - he is the captain, one of the longest serving players and a Rangers die-hard. If he was that much trouble though, would he not have been 'found out' by now, whether at Rangers or with the Scotland camp?

I cannot decide who is to blame or who is the victim - though it's going to be a hard six months until the club is brought back under an organised and settled rule.

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posted Jan 4, 2007

There's only one winner in all of this - Gordon Strachan!

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comment by src1968 (U991989)

posted Jan 4, 2007

I am a Spurs fan so I am neutral in this. I think it was right for Le Guen to go as results were not good enough. I think Ferguson should now be sold to stop this happening again as it seemed to at Newcastle

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posted Jan 4, 2007

Its shocking that a chairman would back a player over the manager. I take it Ferguson will get a veto over who the next manager is?

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posted Jan 4, 2007

Did anyone really believe that Rangers would back Le Guen over Barry Ferguson. I personally think Ferguson is over rated but my only surprise is that Rangers haven't sacked Le Guen earlier. The big question is who next? As a Jambo I can suggest a few candidates!

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posted Jan 4, 2007

Common sense prevails. Le Guen had no love for the club. If only we could get Ricksen and Bardsley back. Stripping Ferguson of the armband and giving it to someone who has hardly played and had just said he wanted to leave was the act of a man who wanted out. He knew the reaction it would create. You'll not be missed Le Guen. Thanks for Sebo. Shame Pardew already got a new job.

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posted Jan 4, 2007

I agree that Le Guen should have had more time.

I love Ferguson as a player, however, if he has been a disruptive influence this could have been causing problems on the park. Apparently he did the same thing to McLeish in the final stages and Mark Hughes at Blackburn.
Le Guen will now go to Marseille and probably be a huge success.
No matter what - Rangers fans should simply wish Le Guen well (Remember, once a Ranger always a Ranger!) and get right behind the team (including Barry Ferguson).
Let us consolidate 2nd place and concentrate on building for next year.

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posted Jan 4, 2007

i agree, i said when he dropped barry that it was like shearer and gullit all over. I didnt expect the fallout to be the same too. Things werent good this season but we would still have came 2nd and things would be a lot better next season. Now i have no idea, bad decision, if the most promising young manager in europe cant help us who can. Not the rubbish that will be touted in press as next boss.

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posted Jan 4, 2007

What a joke, what is going at Rangers i would like to know what clement, sionko, sebo and the rest of PLG's French Revolution are thinking now?

Maybe i wish i hadn't joined Rangers i expect Rangers to be dipping into the transfer market in january!

I suspect Jimmy Calderwood, Walter Smith or possibly Souness (god help rangers).

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comment by jdm1873 (U1771107)

posted Jan 4, 2007

It was bound to happen. PLG knew exactly what he was doing as he wanted an escape route. Pity he cant take some of his signings with him!!!!!

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posted Jan 4, 2007

It makes me wonder why PLG went to Rangers in the first place. The lure of the Scottish Pound maybe clouded his judgement.

As for Murray obviously backing Ferguson what will he do next make him player/manager.

In the world of Glasgow Rangers it wouldn't surprise me!!!!

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posted Jan 4, 2007

Le Guen is not daft - he wants to return to France with a half-decent reputation, so he creates a "him or me" scenario and can now go back and say "The chairman didn't back me." He was clearly wanting out. I just hope we go for a British manager, somebody who appreciates what Rangers are all about.

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posted Jan 4, 2007

I dont think Le Guen was using this scenario to get sacked as much as people thought. I think MUrray used it more as an excuse to get rid of him. Le Guen was disliked weeks before the Barry Ferguson scenario. He has left because results were dung and he isnt as good as he thought he was and has had to bite the bullet. The ferguson thing just added to the amount of doubters at Rangers.I have absolutley no idea who will replace him.

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posted Jan 4, 2007

If the media had any significant say in PLG's departure then the problems of rangers are great indeed. ITs clear that some fans werent happy, but that was more wiht results than manager (i got that impression) and a foreign manager needs time. Celtic have been going strongly, but that does not mean PLG is a bad manager. The real kick in the teeth is that Murray seems to have listened to the captain over common sense . Players get dropped every week, and in many respects, dropping the captain is a move that says no one is undroppabble. In my mind, Le Guen was emphasising how important the club was ie Team first, individuals second.

Apparetly Murray had other ideas.

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posted Jan 4, 2007

Must say as a Jambo I am amazed some people are citing that Murray wasnt consulted over striping Ferguson of the captaincy as an excuse for him leaving.

I thought the general opinion in Scotland was that owners shouldnt get involved in the playing side of the team?

Or has this changed since Murray has well and truley gottten involved in the playing side of things?

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posted Jan 4, 2007

As a Jambo there is something very refreshing about seeing another SPL club becoming the laughing stock of European Football!

After this ridiculous incident where a vastly overrated captain has had a manager with an outstanding reputation all over Europe sacked. How do Rangers seriously expect to attract anyone of any quality to the club?

It's perfectly clear that their ever so articulate captain is going to have to veto whoever comes in!!

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posted Jan 4, 2007

Le guen had to go. The disagreement with Ferguson was only the straw that broke the Camels back. The bottom line is, his signings were nowhere near the quality a club like Rangers demands, His tactics were ill suited to the SPL and he failed to adapt. Murray was right to get rid of him, in the best interests of the club. It beggars belief that players like papac and sioko can get a game for Rangers. I hope Murray brings in an experienced manager like Walter Smith to steer Rangers back to the top of the league. I am sure Sir David Murray will back his new manager in the tranfer window. The new man will no doubt want to have a clear out. In my opinion the squad needs to be built from the ground up. Only a few players are fit to wear the jersey. Ferguson is one of those players week in and week out he gives his all fro the club he loves. If that is player power then I say power to the players. I think Ferguson being a Rangers fan himself was only voicing the opinions of 90% of the support.

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posted Jan 4, 2007

It's cause and consequence - the bad results came about because of poor management, and Ferguson (and the players) lost confidence in him and his methods. Once that happens, it's very hard if not impossible to recover the situation.

Also, one should not forget his treatment of Fernando Ricksen - I think ultimately questions have to be asked of whether he understood the job of managing Ranger FC, which is very different from his experiences at Lyon.

However, Murray should not be blamed for appointing him - looking at his record, who wouldn't have?

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posted Jan 4, 2007

my gut reaction when i heard about ferguson is that guen was asking to be sacked. you dont just remove your captain and one of best players without doing a lot more to get somekind of compromise with him.

its a bit of a shame in some ways- id like to have seen ferguson trying to prove himself in the eng prem again

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posted Jan 4, 2007

Ha Ha ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.....Just stopped laughing long enough to say I thought Le Guen was doing alright! So who's beeting on Billy Davies as the next man in the Hot seat?
PS I thought David Murray didnae sack managers?!!!

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posted Jan 4, 2007

does any one have to hand the stats of Le Guens reign?

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comment by 4IAR (U1140038)

posted Jan 4, 2007

david murray = romanov in disguise!!

Seriously, why pay someone 1.4 million to make the decisions only to overrule them on who the guy wants in his team...?!?!?!

David Murray...hang your head in shame!!

Murray gewtting tired of the 9 - 5 job, now fancies himself as a manager!!

As for Ferguson....Come on tae fluck!!

He is a good player, no more,,,the best of a bad bunch! what happens to him now??

Totally overrated and at the end of the day he was paid to follow the managers instructions....he couldnt do that! in fact he rebelled and did what he thought was best WTF??!!??

Seriously...who would boss rangers now?

what if they dont get on with the prodigal son??

not with a barge pole!


no mote top managers for rangers now! who would go there???

I thought hearts were the laughing stock of football...think again!!


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posted Jan 4, 2007

Rangers must not want to go through the tough transition this season. You hire good people to do good things, but if you haven't got the heart for it, so be it. A huge mistake by Rangers, who on this kind of show, are doing better than they deserve.

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posted Jan 4, 2007

This is a big mistake by Murray! He will live to regret the day he let this manager go!

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posted Jan 4, 2007

I honsestly believe Le Guen has fashioned this whole thing. Axeing Ferguson was a bizzare move in the first place - why it wasn't sorted inhouse is beyond me, unless there was an alterior motive behind it!

Results awful, signings unbelievably bad, football style non-existent, not enjoying the job and failing miserably, how can I get out with some money in hand and my pride intact before another transfer window?

I honestly believe he knew what he was doing in order to get out. Seems a bit sudden a sacking for me!

Any thoughts?

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posted Jan 4, 2007

Lets look at it on the playing side.
The team were so so bad with Sebo getting his name chanted by other fans to come on to the field(they dont do it because hes good)
Ive never been the biggest Barry fan thats even though ive met him few times years ago and hes a good guy, but he was at times only 1 of 3 that were trying for the team .
Last thing we should have paid twice what celtic paid for big Elvis as letting him slip with the mincers we have in defence id go out on a limb and say that would help Le \rubbish get the push.

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comment by mzakko (U2321991)

posted Jan 4, 2007

lol lets get Ivanauskas!....I do hope Clement stays as he only came here because of Le Guen and his a good player. We should get a good british manager with a bit of cash to sort out this defence!!!Just one good centre-back will do!

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posted Jan 4, 2007

I just don't understand why people get so worked up about football. I can think of better ways for grown men to invest their time, money and energy. If anyone cares about this issue I would say "Go get yourself a life!" smiley

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comment by hess808 (U3080940)

posted Jan 4, 2007

surely all that has happened here is le guen has embellished the ferguson issue in order to sneak out the backdoor without completely ruining his reputation - what exactly has ferguson done?

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posted Jan 4, 2007

Yes 17Points, I'm sure yours is an neutral analysis. I frankly don't care that much, being from south of the border, but it's nonetheless interesting to chat about it.

And whoever it was that said about Rangers having crap players - who brought the players? Le Guen.

As for Murray having any sort of control over team affairs, why haven't the players come out and said anything if this were the case? If Murray did want to have control, why would he employ Le Guen when he can just get some far cheaper and hassle-free?

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posted Jan 4, 2007

It proves that Fergie does have a major influence in the dressing room and on the club as a whole.
He should have an influence in the dressing room being the club captain. Obviously too much for PLG.

It shows Murray up after supposedly backing the managers decision.
I think now he has to come out and say whether or not he had backed PLG in the first place. I dont think this is true because why would he cut short a holiday and rush home for crisis meetings when he knew all abt it from the begining!!

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posted Jan 4, 2007

The New Ranger Manager will need to take the Dressing room by the scruff of the neck Who other than Terry Butcher could do this? With Richard Gough as his right hand man

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posted Jan 4, 2007

I think David Murray will sorely regret the decision to let PLG go because no player is bigger than the club and the manager was quite correct to take any action he deemed fit. Barry Ferguson obviously does not relish being told what to do or how to operate as a team member on the park and as the boss PLG has to act accordingly.

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posted Jan 4, 2007

I thought he was going to go after Rangers not doing as well as Celtic!

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comment by deleted (U3765986)

posted Jan 4, 2007

Well we know who the boss is now don't we? Bit sad that a player can have so much influence at a club. Seems that one player can be bigger than the club.

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posted Jan 4, 2007

Le Guen by all accounts is one of the best young managers in Europe, Ferguson is an average midfielder who couldn't hack it anywhere but Rangers where he is clearly king. If he undermined the manager should he be the one getting the chop? seems strange to me maybe a touch of the romanovs!

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posted Jan 4, 2007

I love the fact it says in the article that he couldn't adapt to the scots football league - I think I could probably manage Rangers and come 1st or 2nd !!!! laugh

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