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Riise & Reina on title race

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posted Nov 15, 2006

Realistic - Reina
Optimistic - Riise

be nice to be in the top two but it would take alot of luck for united, chelsea and arsenal to lose so many games.

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posted Nov 15, 2006

If we'd have had the Dude in goal or Carson we might well have been in with a chance of challenging. However, we've had Pepe and he's looked more shaky than Michael J Fox in goal this season.

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posted Nov 15, 2006

Unfunny Michael J. Fox quip aside, you're right about looking shaky, but not just in goal, defence looks creaky, midfield imbalanced and upfront too many changes. Bellamy and Kuyt would start every game for me, but then being a United supporter I say carry on playing like you did at Old Trafford, Rafa looked clueless...if I spoke Spanish, I'd have been tempted to shout to him and help the poor sod out, because he didn't have a clue!

Liverpool v Bolton for fourth?

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posted Nov 15, 2006

I have to agree with Riise.

He's not saying we're favourites but at this stage of the season you can still play the numbers game. We've still got all of the top 3 to come to Anfield so you have to assume you're going to win your home games so that brings us 3 pts closer. We've played all the difficult away games so we should be able to put a long unbeaten run in from now on. The top 3 are all playing each other over the next few weeks so someone has to drop points etc. etc.

I know its all if and buts but this early in the season anything can happen in terms of injuries other distractions etc. etc. That what makes football interesting.

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posted Nov 15, 2006

Lol so funny that David Healy man whinges on and on about Fletcher and Carrick (both really good players for us this year already) on a liverpool post. I thought Fletcher was excellent against the stuttering Kop Kings. Carrick's pass on Saturday for Rooney's third chance in the match (come on Wayne!) was sublime....I say keep criticising them, its falling on deaf ears!!

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posted Nov 15, 2006

liverpool might be able to sneak 3rd. arsenal are a class side but they seem to struggle alot against aggressive teams (bolton, blackburn etc). i cant see united and chelsea dropping too many points. it will be intresting to see the table in the new year tho especially if liverpool can put a good run together.

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posted Nov 15, 2006

Someone does have to lose points when we play Chelski, and Arsenal play the russkis too, but I can see Liverpool struggling at Boro, there are lots of hard places to visit in the prem, not just Everton, United, Chelsea, Arsenal, and Bolton. Aston Villa away, Spurs away, hell, to you lot Sheff Utd away was a bridge too far :)

I'm a fan of Stevie G, he just transcends rival animosity across clubs, he's so good, but honestly will he ever win the league playing for what are, essentially a cup team that are good at pens?

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posted Nov 15, 2006

With confidence at such a low ebb and something significant bothering Gerrard (team performances, his performances, where he is playing, family life??? whatever) I cant see them making up the ground for a top three spot. Fourth is not beyond them but its mental as much as anything and we've run out of mental superiority now. We might have had it at the beginning of the season with teams fearing us with our pace etc and I do think if we had beaten either Chelsea or Manu we would still have that. However no-one fears us now. I can see us coming a cropper at midds on Sat even. Lose that and we're in the bottom 10! I think too many players thought glory was around the corner for us this season and work and concentration went out the window.

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comment by U1770108

posted Nov 15, 2006

Both are right- in different ways.

Sure we're going to still try and win the title- we're not mathmatically out of it yet.

Realistically though- it would take a near miracle to win.




Either way- it really doesn't matter- if we're going for 4th or 1st- we still need to get as many points as possible. The attittude at Anfield/Melwood should be the same no matter what our target- so it's really a rediculuos argument.


We're only 4 points off 4th- and we've had a more difficult fixture list than those around us in the table- so I think 4th shouldn't be a battle.

Bolton could have put up a fight- and may still- but I don't think Liverpool have to worry about less than 4th.



I still think 3rd, maybe 2nd are still possible- it all depends on who drops points- if the first 3 all run well till seasons end- 4th is all we get.

Chances are at least one of them will go through a shakey spell- so 3rd isn't too unrealistic at all.

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posted Nov 15, 2006

2nd place would mean you get more points over the 38 matches than either Chelsea or United - its just not going to happen. Theoretically, should Arsenal get caught up in another fruitless :) European campaign then you might overhaul them, as you're right your fixtures have been hard as a start, but just think, if you could have ground out draws even away from home what a position you'd be in with some toughies out of the way. As it is, its too much to make up with the squad you have.

Alas, we shall be singing 17 years to you at OT next year! :)

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comment by Bornred (U2172107)

posted Nov 15, 2006

'It was neither mine nor Steven's fault that Gallas was unmarked'

So just whose fault was it then? Gerrard was in the zone that Gallas ended up in to score...for some reason he drifted back a few paces to watch henry, who riise had covered and now according to riise there was no one to blame for the goal?

I'd love to agree with Riise and say that we're not out of the title race yet, but it seems to me that coming from a player who has played nowhere near to his standards this season, bar his goals against Tottenham & Chelsea, we're not going to be anywhere near.

I don't want to see us go back to the Spice Boy days when evertyhing was 'fine' and 'win or lose, we're always on the booze' Different words now maybe but Riise's comments smack of the same mentality.

For the right mentality see Dirk Kuyt and Jamie Carragher...two players at the moment, along with Alonso, who are giving their all.

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comment by hayward (U4387237)

posted Nov 15, 2006

Every team in the Premiership should be aiming to win, otherwise why are they even there?

Having said that the likelihood of Liverpool winning the league is quite low and I reckon the likelihood of them qualifying for the Champions League again is quite low too.

My prediction: 6th (unfortunately that means Gerrard will be off in the summer!)

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comment by 10Totti (U1709412)

posted Nov 15, 2006

4th at absolute best providing the away form picks up...
A good run in Europe could be there downfall

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posted Nov 15, 2006

The title is pretty much out of reach (that said miracles do happen look at the campions league during the olympiakos game 2005).

that said 2nd is well and truly in reach. Arsenal are shaky against tougher oposition when they are not allowed to play. Man Yoo don't have enough squad depth to maintain their good form. When their key payers start tire mid season you will see liverpool make ground and chelsea build a lead in the premiership again!

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posted Nov 15, 2006

Its not often I agree with a Manc but I think Cantonascollar is right. Just looked at Liverpools website - what planet are they on? Finnan talking about how good the summer signings have been. Ok if we were in the top three but hey, Stevie we've lost 5 games away and have the worst away record in the division, what are you on about?
Like many others I had high hopes for this season. Even after Chelsea defeat I thought we could still make a fist of it. The Bolton defeat made me question my own sanity, the Mancs defeat was a mockery of a team with premiership winners ambitions and the Arsenal defeat, well if ever there was a team who could be beaten that was Arsenal, but Liverpool went there as underdogs and played like it. The season is over for this Pool supporter roll on Aug 07.

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posted Nov 15, 2006

Liverpool need to start playing gerrard in the middle, simple as. Its obviously not working, just look at the results! At home we are great, but so are most teams, that should come as standard, its away from home that isnt working. maybe deploy gerrard in the middle, ahead of sissoko and alonso? I love sami hyypia, but i really think its time to bring Agger in.Are we missing Kewell?? brings a lot of balance. The riise reina argument just sums it up for me, no one really knows what their aims are at the club, top four is correct. they certainly wont give up, but the title on what ive seen so far this season? no chance!

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posted Nov 15, 2006

I kind of subscribe to your view horshamred. The only thing I will say is that we're only 4 pts of of 3rd place, so there's still a lot of time left to turn it around to finish 4th.

This has probably been said already, but we need to start a run at Middlesborough. Then we've got Man City, Portsmouth, Wigan, Fulham, Charlton and Watford which with all due respect to those teams - we should be winning at home or away. 21 points from those matches should put us in a slightly healthier position.

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comment by FLJTJC (U5170390)

posted Nov 15, 2006

I never saw Liverpool as title contenders this season, and now I think they have to aim for a champions league spot.

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comment by Bornred (U2172107)

posted Nov 15, 2006

Gerrard doesn't track back enough to play in the middle, the idea was for him to play on the right and move inside and cause problems for the full back and defenders...it worked last season but hasn't this season because for whatever reason he hasn't bothered his backside to do so.

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posted Nov 15, 2006

Look at the goal Gallas scored and WATCH carefully! I generally find that many people (normally commentators) don't actually look at what is happening on the screen and make up their own fictional passage of play. Gerrard was marking Henry, that is quite clear from the fact that he even touches his arm. Now it was Riise who dropped back to mean Henry was double marked, and Gallas was free.

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comment by Bornred (U2172107)

posted Nov 15, 2006

it's zonal marking, gerrard stepped back from his zone in order to mark henry which he shouldn't have because riise had henry covered...this allowed gallas space to go in unchallenged into the area gerrard should have been.

Man to man marking it would've been different, gerrard would've been in the right

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posted Nov 15, 2006

i fink u lot r crazy ... sinc wen hav liverpool had a good start to the season? we just need to pick up on our away form which will start at middlesborough on saturday and work from there! the season ends in may we can catch up and get fourth spot .. EASY!:-)

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posted Nov 15, 2006

i think liverpool can start their run at the riverside this weekend & its time for good old hyppia to be for agger & stevie g be played in the middle just behind crouch & bellamy

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comment by U5373450

posted Nov 15, 2006

"We never give up. Cowards give up"

Interesting words from Riise.Where they aimed at his team mate?
Gerrard,Pennant,Bellamy all clearly unhappy.The Spanish contingent have given up and look total uninterested and now Riise having a go at his team mates.

It brings joy to my heart.

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posted Nov 15, 2006

Maybe we got sussed out from last year.. those runs we went on.. Momo was unknown, gerrard roamed, 1 striker.. now we are a little too attacking? It takes time.. let me ask 1 question

Who you want in charge now and for rest of season?

rafa of Houllier?

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posted Nov 15, 2006

calm down theres allways the cups to contend.dont get me wrong i feel the same way ive been saying this for 16 yrs mate.

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comment by Phil (U4827019)

posted Nov 15, 2006

I think only Alan Hansen and his rose coloured spectacles saw Liverpool as title contenders this year. Chelsea will win it, Man U, Arsenal (my team) should be up there, but I think with all due respect Liverpool will have to settle for a mid-table finish.

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posted Nov 15, 2006

Before the season started.
I didn't think Liverpool would be challenging for the premiership this season. They have crap strikers. None of there strikers are capable of getting 20 goals a season. Their wide players (Pennant and Kewell) are crap, can't pass people, who can't cross, can't pass, can't shoot and their defence is absolutely rubbish.
To win the premiership and Champions League you need a striker who can score 20 goals a season, you need wide players who can pass people and deliver a good cross and a good defence, who can defend well. Liverpool have none of Things a SUCCESSFUL football team needs to win the premiership and the Champions League. Liverpool are not gonna win anything, until they sort out there problems.



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posted Nov 15, 2006

hush previous comment. Liverpool have the class and skill to bounce back. It is quite worrying though but I think we have had hard games and the next few look easier and with a few wins we could be up to 4th in no time

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posted Nov 15, 2006

I agree with the last comment from artetarocksmyboat! Highhlytalented I have to disagree with you, you talk about class players, Gerrad has the potential to score 20 goals/season, (when played in position) and once he is allowed to play his game will soon start chalking up on the score tally. I still beleive Dirk Kuyt has the potential to score 20 goals, he has made a great impact thus far and will shine. Although I have not always been a fan, and mock him or you will! Crouch is the most prolific stroker in an England shirt at the moment and has the potential to shine in a red jersey. I still beleive Pennant could give us some pedigree on the wing, but I would love to see major signing in that area come Jan, just to give us some depth!. Is there anyone out there who would not call Garcia and Alonso class??? I think very highly of these guys. Remember last season the points we made up and distance closed from this time last year??? Reina, Carragher, Finnan, Hypia have the potential to be solid and keep goals out, (rememeber oour run again last year, we just seem to be loosing concentration away from Anfield. I had great expectation this year, especially after the Charity shield. I have been a red for 20 years now. Call it passion, call in madness but it is still mathmatically possible to win the league. Once the back four becomes as water tight as we know it can be, Gerards plays to his strenghts, and Crouch and Kuys become fluid with each other, I think we could silience a few critics. At the start of this season I made a bet of 100 with a mate that the reds would win the league, ask me now would I withdraw that bet?.... No is the answer. Like all true fans we believe in our club, once the club starts beleieving in themselves we can hurt the big four.

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posted Nov 15, 2006

Anyone who questionms Liverpools capability are just plain silly. The potential is there for all to see.

But where is the desire - it looks like Riise is the only one who is either determined to make an effort. Or is it pure folly and he doesent really belive it?

Either way Beniteiz is not giving Liverpool the will, the hunger, the desire to win

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comment by U3288561

posted Nov 16, 2006

Liverpool fans are so embarrassing <doh> & their players it would seem too! these guys will still be saying they've got a chance when it is mathematically impossible <laugh> realisitically they were never in with a chance due to not being good enough <ok>

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posted Nov 16, 2006

Not that I'm biased or anything... But I genuinely believe they have the ability to win anything. At the moment though their confidence has been knocked badly. They are always capable of going on long winning streaks and changing the look of the table completely. I hope that starts at the riverside this weekend! No teams are looking unbeatable this season and I'm sure the top three will continue to drop points. Maybe I'm being overly optomistic! But who cares thats what being a rose tinted blinkered fan is about!!!

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posted Nov 16, 2006

when will you sad liverpool fans realise that not only are you 2 weak 4 a title challenge, you will b lucky to get a uefa cup spot this season. I respect riise for his comments at least he has come out fightin unlike the rest of the club. get used to mid table life cus ur gonna b there 4 a long time until a decent winger and striker is bought!

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comment by FLJTJC (U5170390)

posted Nov 16, 2006

I personally see a few areas Liverpool need to stregnthen before the Challange Man U and Chelsea.
1) Your defense this season is not of a top 3 standard.

2) Wingers in all honesty are atrocious!

3) Kuyt needs a profilic partner up front.

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posted Nov 16, 2006

well, it's very possible who could say Ghana would beat Czech after losing to Italy in grp stages,look the reds are still a team watch either any one likes it or not Chelsea would always want to avoid us Even the Arsenal that thrash will be coming to Anfield for the quarter final of carling cup,We beaten Arsenal 63 times or so while they have only beaten us maybe 58 times or so.Let have the confidence in our team. I believe Liverpool will still go places

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comment by U5373450

posted Nov 16, 2006

I had great expectation this year, especially after the Charity shield.

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Errr,it's a pre season friendly.Maybe you should have taken more note of those beatings at the hands of the lower league German sides as they seem to indicate the level you are at.

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comment by U3909751

posted Nov 16, 2006

comment by CantonasCollar79
posted 19 Hours Ago

Lol so funny that David Healy man whinges on and on about Fletcher and Carrick (both really good players for us this year already) on a liverpool post. I thought Fletcher was excellent against the stuttering Kop Kings. Carrick's pass on Saturday for Rooney's third chance in the match (come on Wayne!) was sublime....I say keep criticising them, its falling on deaf ears!!
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And blind eyes...Where is this post where I say these alleged things!

<laugh>

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posted Nov 16, 2006

it would be interesting to view benitez and houllier's prem. record against roy evans who was pipped at the post a couple of times(and he had an exciting team to watch) really without the backing of the board. <erm>

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comment by U6461483

posted Nov 16, 2006

I agree with Reina! He could of at least said "we are an average cup team and from the looks of it we will never win the Premiership and end up like Notts forest or Wolves"

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comment by U3909751

posted Nov 16, 2006

It's tough, Liverpool are what 16 points behind... this isn't Siere B and you are not Juventus.

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posted Nov 16, 2006

Liverpool have surpized me this season by being so poor as i think the world cup has an affect on some of the bigger players

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posted Nov 16, 2006

average side that have got even more average over the summer brum saw you coming for pennant and dont get me started on not so speedy gonzalez they are atrocious and not to forget aurelio and bellamy the only good player they signed is kuyt

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posted Nov 16, 2006

comment by AngrySIM
posted 12 Minutes Ago

Liverpool have surpized me this season by being so poor as i think the world cup has an affect on some of the bigger players

That's just nonsense were we the only team who sent any players and did reina and alonso have exactly the same experience which made them poor this season?

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comment by Mumbles (U2969964)

posted Nov 16, 2006

put gerrard in the middle and ull b fine... sissoko and alonso are not a gd partnership in the middle.. both too defencsive.. stick gerrard in there and ull b bck to ur best.. but hopefully west ham get some cash and he comes to us in the summer :P a man can dream lol

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comment by U3211366

posted Nov 16, 2006

Liverpool is a team on the wane and no excuses will hide that fact ! Gerrard this and Gerrard that <laugh> one man team oh no they do have Zenden <laugh>

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comment by U3288561

posted Nov 16, 2006

I believe Liverpool will still go places
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Comments like the above just sum up Liverpool fans.... & which places are they likely to be? not successful ones thats for sure <laugh>

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posted Nov 16, 2006

well all of our fans are going to harbour hopes of winning the prem until it is scientifically impossible, so a lot will agree with riise, but our priority now is getting into the CL places, and with sissoko's injury, our assault to the top will be hindered greatly

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comment by cerifc (U6613267)

posted Nov 16, 2006

1 thing i do believe is nomatter where l/pool end up in the table the the fans stick with there team and manager,would never disgrace them like man u fans last year when man u where playing s**t in all comps

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