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posted Jan 31, 2011

Totally agree, it doesn't make sense to sell him. There's no time to find a replacement and Shola & Leon Best are nowhere near good enough to have as a main strike partnership for the Premiership. Our team is based around Carroll (and Nolan and Barton) but we need to keep Carroll at all costs.

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posted Jan 31, 2011

Selling Carroll would demonstrate, pretty conclusively in my eyes, that the owner has no ambition for the club beyond finishing 16th in the League and recouping his capital outlay. I am not annoyed that we haven't spent anything (our objective for this season was to stay in the league before consolidating and pushing on over a period of time and I think we're going to do that with a bit to spare) but selling Carroll would be reminiscent of the late 80's when we sold our best players (Pedro, Waddle, Gascoigne) to make extra cash. Carroll is (more than arguably) the most talented player to come through Newcastle's rank in over 20 years. He is (pardon the phrase) a figurehead* for the club and a player we need to build our team around for the next 10 years. We must not lose him.

*Albeit a very ugly one in more ways than one.

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posted Jan 31, 2011

Come on Newcastle fans.... 30 Million for Caroll????
Newcastle would be crazy to reject that sort of money. And Liverpool have lost the plot offering that sort of money. Look at it this way Barca never paid 30 million for David Villa, and Caroll is half the player. So If I was Ashley I would snap there hands off. Newcastle could buy 3 or 4 top players with that cash. Thats if Ashley releases the money that is?

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posted Jan 31, 2011

@ markowire

A week or so I would have completely agreed with you. £30mil for Caroll? Take their hands off.

But now on deadline day, with no realistic way of bringing in a replacement. It's a different story. Yes, £30mil is way more than he's worth. But keeping Caroll may prove to be the difference between us staying up or spiraling back into the championship. By that measurement, rejecting the money now to provide Premier League safety is the only option.

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posted Jan 31, 2011

Trouble is, I don't trust MA to release funds (in the summer, by which time we could still be playing theoretically be playing in the Championship) and I'm not convinced we can attract top players, or that Pardew won't pesh the money up a wall on someone sub-standard (e.g. some current Southampton player, come off it, if Fonte or Lambert are so good, how come they're playing in League 1?). As I've said elsewhere, selling Carroll just shows the club has no ambition and you could expect other key players (Barton, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Enrique) to take that as a hint and ask for a move. Carroll is not world class yet, but with the right coaching (and if he cops his head on) I really think he can be, he's a player we can build a good team around. To let him leave at this stage of his career would be criminal.

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posted Jan 31, 2011

comment by markowire (U8183820)

Look at it this way Barca never paid 30 million for David Villa, and Carroll is half the player

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Granted. However could you see Newcastle being able to attract a player of Villa's talent? That's why we cannot afford to sell Carroll.

In the grand scheme of things, he is young, his wages will be relatively low (despite a contract being signed recently) and he wants to play for this club. We cannot magic a player with these attributes out of thin air.

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posted Jan 31, 2011

"We can't afford to lose Andy Carroll he's our best striker if we lose him now we could end up doing a 2008-09 season" -

Just like Liverpool in the 2010-11 season....

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posted Jan 31, 2011

Go away Liverpool, you are not getting him and that goes for the other vultures out there with dosh. Sell him and we are screwed.

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posted Jan 31, 2011

If Darren Bent was worth £24 million then Andy Carroll must be worth £50 million, and it`s about £50 million just for staying in the premier league.

Over the years far too many class N.E. players have been allowed to leave the area for short term financial reaasons, Alan Shearer has to be admired for bucking that trend.

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posted Jan 31, 2011

Are players really worth the silly money that is being bandied about ? take a look at this article

http://expertscolumn.com/content/how-footballer-worth-money

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posted Jan 31, 2011

Come on Newcastle fans.... 30 Million for Caroll????
Newcastle would be crazy to reject that sort of money. And Liverpool have lost the plot offering that sort of money. Look at it this way Barca never paid 30 million for David Villa, and Caroll is half the player...


Look at it this way.. David Villa is coming up 30, Carroll is 22. Villa has maximised his potential, Carrol still has a lot to learn. Then you have Torres 50 mil? for a striker who is so inconsistent, cant find any real form in the premiership. then there is sergio aguero, chelsea had a 40 mil bid rejected, another great player but the premiership is totally different. So your sayin 30 mil is ridiculous for Carroll.. he has proven himself in his first proper premiership season, and hes english, so he is obviously goin to be worth a fortune. 30 million, would never take it smiley

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posted Jan 31, 2011

"We cannot magic a player with these attributes out of thin air."

Thats the crux of the matter.

He's on a shiny new 5 year contract, and so unless he really wants to go (and is willing to engineer it maliciously) then he's ours for the foreseeable. Unless there is a top class part/ex coming in, who really wants to play for us... and a pile of money, he stays here.

Hence, i doubt very much that he's going anywhere.

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posted Jan 31, 2011

Good to see someone in the tranfer market is keeping their heads, even if it's newcastle. £30M?!? We copuld buy most of the strikers for every club in Spain lower than 6th for that.

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posted Jan 31, 2011

Oh go on...we'll let you have Ngog.

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posted Jan 31, 2011

No disrespect to Newcastle or Andy Carroll, but I cant understand why hes worth 30 Million. Obviously to Newcastle hes worth much much more, in terms of what he offers the team, and also, again, no disrespect, but youre effectively relying him goals to keep you in the league.

At 22 hes still not the finished article. Signed a new contract recently, wants to play for Newcastle, and is doing a very goood job, in the premier league. I think he should stay til the summer, then if he wants to leave, then youve still got a 30 million pound player. Also If Newcastle stay up, then maybe they could use the funds to build for next season. Wortst case scenario, you get relegated, would anyone begrudge him a move to another club?

hes clearly capable at this level, and would probably want to continue playing in the Prem.

Seems to me that its a win-win situation for both parties if he sees out the season at St James.

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comment by red-eye (U1803614)

posted Jan 31, 2011

Carroll apparently doesn't wanna leave so that's normally the end of it isn't it?



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comment by tom (U13152021)

posted Jan 31, 2011

Lads, I'm torn! Although Carroll has lots of potential, he's only had one good season in the Championship and half a season in the Prem. Don't forget, Kevin Phillips top scored in the Prem while at the Mackems and no one ever bid that amount for the little chimney sweep. £30m is massive money and we could buy 3 great players with that. I have to say, although Big AC is class, this offer is tempting! Thoughts?

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comment by Mike (U14144569)

posted Jan 31, 2011

In theory, we should snap Liverpool’s hands off, if they’re offering £30 million.

He’s not worth that.

He’ll play for England, and probably retain a regular squad place, but he’s not going to be a superstar in my opinion.

What I’m saying is, the only problem with this deal for me, is the timing. We’re going to have to go half the season without our best player……….

If we can get £35 million, and maybe get a deal done with another striker by tonight, I’d definitely take the money.

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comment by Mike (U14144569)

posted Jan 31, 2011

With £35 million, or even £30 million, we could buy:

A quality striker for £15 million

A quality midfielder/defender for £15 million

And we'd be a better side.

My only question marks with this deal are:

1: Whether Ashley would release the £30 million to buy new players, or whether the greedy fat cockney would keep it for himself.

2: Whether we'd be able to get in someone between now and midnight to replace him to some extent

3: Whether it's fair on Carroll, who is toon through-and-through, and wants to retire with the club. Whether that sends a good message out to the city

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posted Jan 31, 2011

Its not always about the money. Hes a Geordie and is proud of his roots and team.

It ridiculous money and Newcastle could so much with it but if the man doesn't want to go its too bad.

Also why would he want to go to a team more threatened with relegation than the team he is with? Surely Spurs would have been the better option.

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comment by tom (U13152021)

posted Jan 31, 2011

I agree Mike and chezza100. Firstly, would King Fatty pocket 50%+ of the wonga and secondly, should we hold on to him and disregard the big offer because he's a local lad who loves the club? Both are good points, and a disregard of the money to nurture a local hero would be admirable. But still...£30,000,000 for a young, relatively unproven player?!!! Torres was £23m when Liverpool bought him and already an established international. The world's gone mad!

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posted Jan 31, 2011

Carroll is a great player, brave. I wouldn't sell him to the s.hite. Carroll is a geordie through and through - fans love him. Those other fans, well, the stench...

Great to see Man U sitting 14 points above them (not a Man U fan, but it's still great!)

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posted Jan 31, 2011

I think this is very foolish of Liverpool and smacks of panic buying. £35m for Carroll is massively overpriced, and means you have wasted most, if not all of the money received for Torres on an inferior replacement.

True he has potential, but he is also got a bit of a laddish reputation, which could easily end in tears, and unrealised potential. massive gamble.

From Newcastle's side, i would absolutely bite their hands off for the money, buy in a useful loan player (or maybe even someone like Forlan) and then search int he summer for a replacement.

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comment by Mike (U13124542)

posted Jan 31, 2011

You'd be morons to turn down that kind of money for Carroll. If it were any other team in Newcastle's league position they'd bite Liverpool's hand off for their prize player.

The only factor is again how much money would Newcastle get to play with? A few million could be useful in keeping Ashley's failing clothing empire going.

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posted Jan 31, 2011

Much as I would hate to see him leave, the money being talked about is more than a fair price, and I can see how Newcastle must be tempted.

But if he does go, we simply have to get someone else in today - can't rely on Ameobi to lead the line for the rest of the season.

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