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posted Dec 15, 2010

i would rather go down than have allardyce

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posted Dec 15, 2010

i would rather go down than have allardyce
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Me too

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posted Dec 15, 2010

As a Boro fan who watches his team suffer in the championship (on a regular basis) are you sure you would rather go down then have Allardyce? Anything is better then relegation! even ugly football!

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posted Dec 15, 2010

Apparently beggars can be choosers...

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posted Dec 15, 2010

I would rather have Roeder back than Allardyce...!

West Ham is a footballing team, giving Allardyce the job would ensure that we are relegated playing long ball football. At least if we put Hughton in the job and go down we'll play some good attacking football

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posted Dec 15, 2010

As a Boro fan who watches his team suffer in the championship (on a regular basis) are you sure you would rather go down then have Allardyce? Anything is better then relegation! even ugly football!

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I have to disagree there mate. We had BFS & been relegated & I'd prefer relegation anyday to being subjected to that style of footy again...mind it does help that we managed to bouce back quick!

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posted Dec 15, 2010

As a Rovers fan having suffered over a season of Allardyce I can assure you you DO NOT want Allardyce!

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posted Dec 15, 2010

I hate to say it, but West Ham do have some big, chunky strikers in the shape of Cole, Piquionne and Obinna (who is small but very solid). And while Parker can pick an intelligent pass on occasion, the midfield is hardly bursting with creativity. Allardyce's style of football could well be West Ham's best chance.

I do, however, admire the spirit of the fans who claim they would rather be relegated than play the Big Sam way.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

@Wheater:

I disagree. They day my team play Allardyce style is the day I stop buying a season ticket and support them from home. It's the truth though - I dont want to watch that. Its not entertaining.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

utterly ridiculous to say win 1 of 3. The game has gone barmy

send for the men in white coats

can we have proper club management and managers appointed for a season

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posted Dec 15, 2010

I have to disagree there mate. We had BFS & been relegated & I'd prefer relegation anyday to being subjected to that style of footy again...mind it does help that we managed to bouce back quick!

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I think Newcastle was too big a club for Allardyce and he was out of his depth, but with Bolton and Blackburn he certainly performed above expectations and there is no reason why he can't do the same with West Ham, afterall Blackburn were in a similar position in 08.

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comment by Ruining (U855351)

posted Dec 15, 2010

"Dismissing Avram is not something the board wants to do" said the source.

"The club are aware that we were lucky to avoid relegation last season, and that Avram inherited a 'Championship-rate' squad.

"He's also had a dreadful run of injuries, but we can't get to the beginning of the window and not do something if things don't improve."

Right, so they don't want to get rid of him and want the squad to improve at the same time. Everyone in football who knows about the game (managers, players, coaching staff) say a manager needs to be given time. Those on the business end of football rarely heed these words and replace a manager when things are not going well and forget about the long-term picture.

I'm not AG's biggest fan but at times I have liked what I have seen of the team this season and desperately want WHU to have some stability. Several managers given a short amount of time to show what they are about will not bring that. Harry was our 8th manager in 100 years. The next one will be our 8th in ten years.

Let the people who know about football do their jobs and the rest be realistic with their aims when looking at the players they have at their disposal.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

As a Rovers fan having suffered over a season of Allardyce I can assure you you DO NOT want Allardyce!

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Talk about gratitude, Blackburn could easily have been relegated last year without him. I am an advocate for results first, style second, afterall teams play football to win surely?

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posted Dec 15, 2010

As an Albion fan I'd rather you go down that have Big Sam, in fact I'd just like you to go down. At the start of the season so many West Ham fans were rude and arrogant about the teams that came up you deserve what you have got. You were banging on about who you were going to buy ignoring your massive debt, well enjoy!

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posted Dec 15, 2010

clubs form is down to more than a manager, here is a list of factors

a) the quality of the players
b) the resources of the club
c) the quality of the coaching generally
d) the quality of the opposition

and other factors. To say a club would be relegated if the manager was not sacked is simplistic in the extreme. Grant should be retained for the season and over the season the form may improve, stay same or deteriorate. That will also be the case with a new manager. There needs to be a clearer sense of perspective and things put in their wider context. To give a manager 3 games is nonsense,utter nonsense

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posted Dec 15, 2010

I don't see the point of asking for the board members to get out. Nobody, apart from Arabs with more money than sense, can chuck shedloads of dosh at a club anymore, and it certainly would never happen at WHU anyway.
The board can influence who is sold and purchased, but it is Grant's job to get the team to play, and fit to play.
Sure he has had bad luck; difficult first fixtures, injuries and so on, but that is football. If it is a Championship standrad squad, as has now been said, then that is where we are headed un less 'someone' can get them to perform above their perceived standard and start over-achieving. That person clearly isn't Grant.
We are'nt likely to beat even a manager-less Blackburn, Fulham always seem to present a difficult challenge and we rarely, if ever, tend to beat Everton at home. So the Wolves game seems to be our best best for 3 points and yet from what I have seen of them this season they appear a superior side to us.
Allardyce isn't the man for us, irrespective of his escapist talents. He's expensive and the fans won't back him. The tone of these boards is already very much one of acceptance of the inevitable.
If it's to be an 'end of season' only job, bring back Curbs I say. If we are ready to chuck the towel in now, then let Hughton have a go. Sad it had to be like this, but I am not ready to start blaming G&S and co. They are easy targets but it won't do us any good.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

What we DO want, a Hammers team playing their hearts out for the claret and blue, a team playing good quality football in the style of the beloved West Ham academy. What we DO NOT want is a management team who are best incompentent, at worst illogical - why the win one out of three games at christmas scenario? It solves nothing! Axe Grant, bring in either Houghton or Jol, or Martin O'Neill, or Ray Wilkins, then wake David Gold and David Sullivan up with a cup of coffee and get them to sell the club, oh and whilst we're about it, can we get Lord Sugar to point the finger at Karren Brady and say 'You're Fired!' West Ham United have a long proud tradition, supplying three World Cup '66 heroes, playing attractive quality footbal. Currently because of the attitude of some players and our management team we are in serious danger of being relegated, whilst becoming a farce in the boardroom.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

Hope Allardyce gets the job. My boy has got a hell of a long throw on him and a big kick to get the ball upfield. This might just be his chance of breaking into the premier league. Might have to ban low flights out of City Airport though if we move to Stratford. winkeye

PS I agree with the 1st point. One win is a bit generous, I'd say we need 7 points out of the next 3 to have any hope of making ground and AG's had time to mould his team by now. They need to deliver when it matters, not just have heroic failures against the big teams.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

Talk about gratitude, Blackburn could easily have been relegated last year without him. I am an advocate for results first, style second, afterall teams play football to win surely?

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Not really, they're there to entertain, surely? If professional football fails to entertain its fans, then what purpose does it serve to wider society?

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posted Dec 15, 2010

If it's about results then watch the vidiprinter. Surely for 30 you want great entertainment.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

As a spurs fan (in peace) who has never rated Grant, for me there is only one sensible course of action; Grant out, Hughton in... did a great job with us along side Jol, and was fantastic with Newcastle. with all the senseless managerial sackings over the last week, the only one that actually would make sense is for Grant to go. Giving an ultimatum is pointless and will only prolong the pain. Even if he wins all three games, it is still the same manager and team, and will probably still be anchored to the bottom (or near enough)... no brainer for me.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

When Grant was first appointed, I posted on these boards, that he would probably get you relegated with a few games to spare. Right now, it seems like I'll be correct.

What has the guy ever achieved, apart from getting Pompey relegated ?? ... I wouldn't trust him to manage a Sunday pub team !!

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comment by ch21ss (U9240409)

posted Dec 15, 2010

If you turn over managers faster than once every 2 years, you aren't looking for a good manager, you are looking for a lucky charm. And luck runs out sooner or later, and you are left with a rubbish manager who just happened to take over around the time the team happened to have a relatively good run of results.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

how silly

grant got chelsea to the champions league final where they lost because of one penalty kick

really are some silly postings on here

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posted Dec 15, 2010

Its pointless to set Grant an ultimatum like that, if we win just one game from the next three we are still bottom! If they are going to let happy chops go then do it and get in Chris Hughton NOT Fat Sam.
We can still stay up but things have to change and change now, but if we are going to go down lets go FIGHTING, not the heads down play like cak stuff we are doing now! COYI!

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posted Dec 15, 2010

This season has been atypical in many ways - West Ham have every chance of staying up, with or without AG.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

Having witnessed the successful man management displayed by the present owners at first hand in Small Heath at the totally transformed St Andrews ( I think at one stage we were promised a new stadium.....when Birmingham was going to win the olympics - good one that Karen) all I can say to you Hammers is you are on a journey....you will get a decent manager and team after considerable heartbreak...probably like everything else by 2015.

So financial stability is ensured ....but some times there is more to life than living within your means especially if you are a football fan....but then again what do ex horse owners know about football ????

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posted Dec 15, 2010

"Not really, they're there to entertain, surely? If professional football fails to entertain its fans, then what purpose does it serve to wider society?"

I'm entertained by winning to be fair; plus atmosphere, the experience, just having a laugh. Let's be honest, outside of Arsenal and maybe one or two other big clubs - no teams actually play attractive football. Everyone's so scared of losing these days. There's a lot of snobbery against Allardyce 'cos he likes to wind people up a bit.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

I find the statement to be rather crude, "win at least one of the next three or you're fired". Surely this raises issues if all three games are drawn? The sensible thing to do would be to have some sort of dance off followed by a public phone in.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

To what extent is a manager REALLY responsible for what does on on the field in the following games? And I mean REALLY.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

I don't mean to bash him, but I really didn't understand the appointment from day one. I mean he took Portsmouth down and didn't really make much of an effort to stay afloat - just made out that it was inevitable (which yes, it was but he could have given it a better go).

It's a shame that West Ham are rock bottom. I like that club and feel they should be near the top. They need some investment and a good manager. That seems to do the trick nowadays.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

What goes around comes around. You shoulda gone down years ago instead of sheffield!

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posted Dec 15, 2010

West Sham have the owners they deserve. A couple of guys who just spin spin spin and produce nothing but well nothing! You are going the same way as the Blouse did under them. They luckily fell across Steve Bruce, without him they would have gone further and further downhill. Unfortunately you aren't going to be that lucky!

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comment by Skylynx (U1798828)

posted Dec 15, 2010

Avram Grant is a poor manager with no real experience of managing any English team for more then a season. How do you plan for the next season without ever having got there yourself with the same team? Only a manager of proven experience will get them out and Allardyce is a good option until the end of season. Why not try and get Holloway as he will get the best out of this poor side and play football the West Ham way.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

Utter Codswallop. If he was the 'right man for the job' just a short while ago, then surely the club management have to bear some responsibility for getting it so terribly wrong in appointing him?

This fella lost the prem by a point or maybe two when he took over during hard times at Chelsea, (long periods without Terry, Drogba or Lampard) lost the champions league final by the width of a post, and has always struck me as a pretty sensible bloke.

Form is temporary. I'd say stick with him, give him a bit of dough, hope the injuries start to improve and I'm sure you'll stay up.

Having said all that, the owners are the owners, and can do as they choose. But ultimatums? Please. Either back him, fully, or bin him off. Don't humiliate the chap.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

Foxman.

What has Wednesday's relegation got to do with West Ham????

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posted Dec 15, 2010

comment by No7 (U14354265)
posted 6 Minutes Ago

West Sham have the owners they deserve. A couple of guys who just spin spin spin and produce nothing but well nothing! You are going the same way as the Blouse did under them. They luckily fell across Steve Bruce, without him they would have gone further and further downhill. Unfortunately you aren't going to be that lucky!

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No 7...is that after the make up?

Are you actually going to contribute anything worthwhile to this debate or just carry on your anti west ham mutterings?

Same way a Brum?

Err...last time I looked they bought them for a quid, sold them for 80 million. Took a rag @ss club with a run down ground and turned them into a debt free mid table PL outfit, making some very harsh and sometimes unpopular decisions on the way.

Now as a Baggie, you should be enjoying yourself, probably the biggest yo yo club of recent years. So be off with you, go and enjoy while you can, because you know and I know that you will be back in the swing of it before long.

Now, I am pretty sure it's past your bed time.

ok

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posted Dec 15, 2010

comment by Foxman_WBA (U13628761)
posted 17 Minutes Ago

What goes around comes around. You shoulda gone down years ago instead of sheffield!

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What is it with the Baggies fans at the moment, I could be wrong but they seem to be getting a little ahead of themselves. Will probably survice this season, then be back into their boing boing division boucing as usual.

Probably to do with the Dorran's saga, the new Scottish Pele by all accounts, looks like we dodged a 5 million quid bullet there.

Put Tevezgate to one side, it's been flogged to death and quite frankly it's like you.

Boring.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

No7:

not sure you are who you claim to be as your profile is still in moderation and that a fairly new looking number you have there. Anyway, not all of us were on the Baggies board giving it large - some of had reservations from the start about how good (or not) our team was. So for you to come on our board claiming that is wrong.

As for the quote from the source at the club of "The club are aware that we were lucky to avoid relegation last season, and that Avram inherited a 'Championship-rate' squad."

If that was the case why sack Zola? Why not give him funds and then up until christmas at least to see what he could have done? Or are they looking to blame the players if we go down this year rather than their lack of investing in the 'right' players?

This is not coming across well for them (the board) with those sort of quotes, as they are infering that Zola did a better job with a championship standard squad, than Grant is or can do with the addition of several PL standard players (unless they are prepared to admit that none of their acqisitions since taking over ARE PL standard).

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posted Dec 15, 2010

So AG has to win one of the next three games to survive the axe. Huh! He needs to win all three to be even considered to stay on. An unlikely outcome given the season so far. How can we beat Spurs and Man U (albeit a second 11) and lose at home to Newcastle beats me!

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comment by Jeff (U10397772)

posted Dec 15, 2010

I would sack him now, and hire Sam Allardice.

He is the master in relegation sitautions, pardon the poetry.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

I'm no fan of West Ham - nor the pseudo mockney image of their supporters. But this three-match ultimatum is a joke. They'll go down anyway, but G&S making them a laughing stock certainly wont help.

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comment by Reid (U14383225)

posted Dec 15, 2010

"The way we are performing" That wetshammerhead is the essence of the ultimatum. Grant has to get this team playing the way we know they can, or his time is up.
There are, as I've posted a few times now, a ton of points available for any of the bottom teams, who can step up to the plate, between now and the end of Jan. and I'm sure G&S know that as well as anyone. So, if Grant can't make it happen in the next three, they still have enough games to still pull us out with a new man.
I hope he can, (and, I suspect, so are G&S) starting with this Sat. because it's still a vastly better option to have him proved right and the team winning matches than another upheaval with a new man.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

Why is it it's always the managers fault ?

Why not the players, where is the loyalty these days.

Yes if all else fails sack the manager get rid of the coach, sell some of the players who do not preform as got to be the answer.


How many duds have the club bought over this past three season, the ones who were going to set the season on fire.

We will see, Time will tell.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

if the players are flops then it's the manager who chose them. anyone could have told you avram was a plum... anyon except thos two clowns you have for owners laugh your best bet is for avram to lose the next three games and get the sack... how can he keep you up when he has the charisma of a turnip.

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posted Dec 15, 2010

'If we DO win just one out of three, we will have played 20 games and secured 15 points and STILL be bottom of the league! '

You might get a win and two draws! That's 17 points and 17th place assuming the win comes at Fulham! (and they lose their remaining games with Wigan + Wolves getting no more than 1pt from 9)

I wish AV the best in getting that 1 game win as he is steering you in the right direction and it would be a shame to see him go winkeye

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posted Dec 15, 2010

grant got chelsea to the champions league final where they lost because of one penalty kick

really are some silly postings on here

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Yes, but he did it with the team J.M. built !!! .... Can you tell me when he had success with any team he built ??

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posted Dec 15, 2010

Our predicament is the fault of our players.

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comment by Dave (U14332221)

posted Dec 15, 2010

QPR fan in peace.

It appears from where I sit that it is entirely the fault of the players not earning their huge salaries that have got WHU in the mess. There doesn't seem to have been major changes on the field so maybe the owners should back AG in the transfer market in January, rather than bring someone new in whio hasn't a clue about WHU.

Unless, after Newcastle...WHU already have someone in place.....

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