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World Cup for the World

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posted Dec 2, 2010

Explain the massive appeal of world cups in Russia and Qatar to me then.

As an ordinary football supporter who has been to two world cups and alsoe Russia, I can't see the massive appeal myself.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

In Russia the World Cup plays you.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

Taking the World Cup to new countries is understandable. But that doesn't mean he traditional big footballing nations should be forgotten about.

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comment by robert (U13761168)

posted Dec 2, 2010

One a country the size of a large city,the other known for the recent past as suffering from political corruption on a massive scale.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

The World Cup should be for football fans, not an advertising tool trying to gain new fans.

Yes England hosted the world cup in 66, France hosted it in 38 and 98. Germany 74 and 06. Mexico 70 and 86. Brazil 50 and 14. Italy 34 and 90.

The World Cup has become more about PR and trying to advertise the sport to new regions and less about football. Is it a coincidence the quality has declined?

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posted Dec 2, 2010

Qatar was the only country that was high risk. how are players, fans and officials going to stomach 120 plus degrees in country that is half the size of birmingham? where will they all stay. Not to mention, there will be absolutely no alcohol!!

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comment by U13778349

posted Dec 2, 2010

I have my doubts about Russia as a host, but given politics is involved not totally surprised about the outcome of that one.

But Qatar? sod off!

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posted Dec 2, 2010

I make this point tongue in cheek. Maybe England hasn't been forgotten about, maybe it is just number 200 in the queue of nations hoping to host world cups. I realise due to the size of some nations that is a comical remark but you'd be lucky enough to host 2 world cups 50 or so years apart without a nation such as Russia getting 1!

As for the average football supporter, the average Russia or eastern European supporter might have a different view.

Does Russia have potential. It has a big sporting history and it is a powerhouse nation in terms of world politics. This is a nation that has the capacity to do a lot with a world cup and to reap large rewards for that region.

Most of all I envisage the potential for the Russian League to be elevated to a higher standing which will be very beneficial.

Given the size of Russia, a nation that has already done well in major competitions, I think there is a lot of scope to take the next step.

It may seem a bit far fetched right now but what odds of Russian teams getting to the knockout stages of the Champions league and deep into the competition regularly.

I would enjoy that prospect as a football fan in the UK.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

Not to mention, there will be absolutely no alcohol!!
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Not true, you can buy and drink alcohol in Qatar. You just cannot be drunk in public, or have alcohol outside bars.

Seems fair enough. Enjoy beer, rather than use it as a tool and you will be fine.


But the climate is not good for football, and it is a disgrace to hold it in such conditions. Maybe the 22 new stadiums they have to build will be air conditioned!

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posted Dec 2, 2010

What about Israel, as if their national team will travel to Qatar for the world cup without the Mossad there to protect them.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

After watching a quick snippet of the Panorama program, its no suprise we were last in the votes.

Its like your mate accusing you of cheating on your fionce to everyone yous know and then asking to be your best man for the wedding.

They shuoldve showed the program this coming Monday i.e. after the voting. That way, if we didnt win the bid, the program couldve been shown as a revenge mechanism and if we did win, well it wouldnt have changed anything.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

Qatar is a two hour flight for how many billion people in Asia and the stadiums will be deconstructed and moved to developing countries which need them.

If the above is true then they had a very striking and unique bid.

Yes some nations have had the world cup more than once, that ought to change and I am informing you that according to the way things are going. It has changed.

People who see the game as being for the fans, let's face it, the English football fan- they can have that view but expect to be disappointed when you don't get major championships. Football might gain the biggest revenues in certain nations which you want to see hosting world cups for you convenience, but it is a world wide game.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

lets see how fifa deals with fans and players fainting and maybe worse in 118* degree sun<tongueout>

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posted Dec 2, 2010

It may seem a bit far fetched right now but what odds of Russian teams getting to the knockout stages of the Champions league and deep into the competition regularly.

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Not at all far fetched. Rubin have proved themselves a decent side, Spartak, CSKA and Zenit have also impacted in recent times. The league is 6th best in Europe according to UEFA coefficient rankings they use for CL.

However, due to the climate, it is harder for Russian teams, as the season is not in conjuction with England, Spain, Italy, Germany etc.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

Russia is the most racist country I have ever been to. You could watch Russian TV for a week and not be aware black people existed. Coloured players are booed throughout matches without anyone batting an eyelid.

Qatar is one of the few countries where homosexuality is illegal, punishable by five years in prison. There is no religous freedom with churches not even being allowed to display an external cross.

These simple issues are why neither of these countries should have even been allowed to bid.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

thecityisred

Then the world cup will expose racism and stoke a discussion on important issues.

However, not all people's share the same views. You need to be proportionate with your remarks. If someone does not believe in homosexual behaviors and seeks to regulate it that is up to them.

If they burn people at the stake for it, then that is a different matter.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

"Coloured players are booed throughout matches without anyone batting an eyelid."

Can you be THAT stupid?

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posted Dec 2, 2010

Your off your head if you think russia is going to change and even more insane if you think qatar is going to change. Qatar is a disgusting country full of hate and backwards ideas.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

These simple issues are why neither of these countries should have even been allowed to bid.
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I dont think a country being steretyped of being something, is a justifiable reason to exclude a country from making a bid for the WORLD cup.

Russia being racist or not, is not proven. Every coutry has racist people, maybe Russia has more than most but its not like Russia is a racist coutnry FACT is it.

As for Qatar, they are a very religious country. You cant exclude a coutry from bidding jsut because they strongly believe in a religion.

Admittedly, i think Fifa opting for Qatar will cause a lot of dsipute. This is a country who's religion doesnt allow for alcohol (football fans stand no chance), force women to cover themselves fully (its baking hot out there, european/australian/asian chicks are gonna be virtually naked) etc.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

comment by thecityisred (U13778689)

posted 5 Minutes Ago

Russia is the most racist country I have ever been to. You could watch Russian TV for a week and not be aware black people existed. Coloured players are booed throughout matches without anyone batting an eyelid.

Qatar is one of the few countries where homosexuality is illegal, punishable by five years in prison. There is no religous freedom with churches not even being allowed to display an external cross.

These simple issues are why neither of these countries should have even been allowed to bid.
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agree. how can a country that has sharia law even be considered? Let's be fair who of us has ever been to qatar?

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posted Dec 2, 2010

redevil, FIFA openly says it is against racism and homophobia and so therefore you'd think it would take the matters seriously.

I've been to Russia and my views are from what I saw.

Keane prods, why am I THAT stupid?

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posted Dec 2, 2010

"As for what Holland and Belgium were doing wasting their time I've not idea either."

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Here in Holland noone really believed we would get it. Also a poll on a footballsite showed 52% of footballfans didnt even want it.

But if we were wasting our time then what have England been doing...?

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posted Dec 2, 2010

FCUM (U14566079)

In circumstances like these, all you can do is vote with your feet.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

The title of this is World Cup for the World, but by the sounds of it holding it in Russia, and particularly Qatar will exclude many people from enjoying the tournament in the host country.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

<doh> is all I have to say.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

Keane prods, why am I THAT stupid?

I can't believe a person in this day and age could NOT know using "coloured" is a big faux pas. It doesn't mean you're racist, unless you intended to offend, it just means you're stupid.

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comment by Kevin (U10381923)

posted Dec 2, 2010

The development of football argument is so spurious. Russia is an oil rich country if they want to develop football they can afford to do it anyway just like Spain, England, Italy, Germany, France etc all did because they love football and have for years. As for Qatar that has to be the most nonsensical decision ever. And as for development Australia was the ideal candidate. A sport crazy nation ripe to be turned from Ausie rules, and Rugby league it should have made FIFA salivate at the chance.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

A big faux pas, because you say so?

Don't be such an idiot.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

I went to the champions league final in 2008. The transport system they had in place was a joke.

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comment by U14334741

posted Dec 2, 2010

Qatar a country that will prevent women watching the games and will hang gays and Russia a country that thinks black people are monkeys.

That's reaaaaally in keeping with all that tosh on FIFA's website about equality, isn't is?!!

A few brown envelopes stuffed with cash soon makes the moral dilemmas go away though!!

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posted Dec 2, 2010

Actually Qatar will be under the microscope and have time to work out how to make all those POTENTIAL fans interested and welcome.

Russians are fabulous people and we tend to judge them on what we see on TV.

My long awaited trip to St Petersburg in 1996 was full of suprises and joyful and real moments. The Russians were terribly reserved and everything was exspensive. Then I got lost and found myself with Russians of the non-tourist environments and wow, what fabulous people. I for one would love to support Scotland if possible at the 2018 WC. Maybe St Andrew our shared saint will bless us with participation.

done and dusted lets move on.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

I can understand Russia getting the World Cup as a major football nation although its not considered a very people or travel friendly country, but why Qatar, unless FIFA just wanted to spread the gospel to a new continent, but the climate and travel issues for European nations are severe. I personally would have liked to see Australia get it.

As for the UK our media would have spent the next 7 years trying to further discredit FIFA, so we were dead in the water from the very start.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

Keep an eye on future big purchases by those voters. FIFA is a laughable organization.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

The English attitude was summed up by a chavvy woman on TV "Why would you want to go to Russia and watch the world cup? I wouldn't and I'm disgusted". It would take too long to list all the issues that raises.

Personally I'm not worried...I'd have been more upset if I'd never had chicken pox.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

@ Kevin..."Russia is an oil rich country "

No. Russia has a lot of oil and gas but many (most) people live in poverty. Not my idea of rich. Of course there are a few rich people...like Abramovich, who takes money from Russia where many people are starving, and spends it on scummy football trash.

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comment by ENT (U1753292)

posted Dec 2, 2010

Russia may have problems, but so does the UK - it is a bit of a dump really.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

As brits,we should congratulate Russia on their winning world cup bid,stiff upper lip and all that!So well done Russia.

TOTAL AND UTTER JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!

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posted Dec 2, 2010

comment by ENT (U1753292)
posted Just Now
Russia may have problems, but so does the UK - it is a bit of a dump really.

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Dont get me wrong, I've said my peice on russia, but England shouldnt have won it either.

I think the Dutch/Belgium vote should have won really.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

I am glad England did not win to host the world cup. it would have been a disaster...too much hooligans

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comment by Dan (U1900095)

posted Dec 2, 2010

So who's great idea is it to play football in the middle east during the middle of summer?

It is really just about money for FIFA. Money and politics, it's as simple as that.

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posted Dec 2, 2010

hmm, seeing as though Russia have been favourites for some time, I cannot see the big hoo ha now they've actually one it. The voting system is incredibly flawed. When you hear of our team members talking about going to hotels to convince people, surely no outcome can be a shock. Our lot seemed to think they had a few nudge nudge wink winks, only to get left at the altar. We all knew having the best technical bid was going to be meaningless, they me as well have sent me out there

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posted Dec 2, 2010

For me the Russia decision isn't that shocking.

The Qatar choice, for me, is an absolute joke. Maybe in the 12 years between now and then I will be proved wrong, and I hope so.
But little seems to make sense about it.

Maybe it will be a winter World cup to suit the climate!!

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