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Real Madrid - Was it Cheating?

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posted Nov 24, 2010

There's no way UEFA can prove they did it deliberately, no matter how blatant it was, so I fully expect them to get away with it.

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posted Nov 24, 2010

if they punish madrid, than they should punish more teams, because it happens every year at the last two days of the champions league, the top teams who qualified, play they second team, to rest the topplayers, that also bad sportmaneship, because it falses the competion.

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comment by Stevat (U13819162)

posted Nov 24, 2010

There's two questions in this, did they do it deliberately? That is was Casillas incapable of taking the goal kick?

And secondly, is it cheating? Even if you think they were deliberate in their actions, it's not really cheating. You could get a player deliberately sent off at any point you want, wouldn't necessarily benefit you after 2 mins of a game though. It's more like tax avoidance, rather than tax evasion if you will.

My question to you would be why are you bothered? You're a Man U fan are you not? What concern is it of yours? Would you not rather face a full strength Madrid side anyway?

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posted Nov 24, 2010


It's sharp practice but it's within the laws of the game so technically it isn't cheating.

Beckham did something similar playing England years ago.

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posted Nov 24, 2010

It's not cheating as such - it's Jose being a smart cookie. That said, it was so poorly done that it's obvious to anyone who has seen the footage that it was all VERY deliberate.

Real Madrid have brought the game into disrepute with their poor acting skills!

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posted Nov 24, 2010

My question to you would be why are you bothered? You're a Man U fan are you not? What concern is it of yours? Would you not rather face a full strength Madrid side anyway?


Without coming over all high and mighty, if something isn't done then the ramifications could be very very bad for football. All the stuff about Wolves etc putting out weakened sides would be easy to get round - get 3 players sent off the game before. Got the FA Cup final coming up - get your players sent off in the penultimate game of the season so they can't play the week before the Final.


And to be so blatant about it - Ramos shook the refs hand on the way off - just grates.

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posted Nov 24, 2010

I'm a Madrid fan. This has been done time and time again, it's hardly new, and it's not as if Mourinho's invented the wheel either. Hilarious to see people go overboard either way just because he's behind it.

I don't condone or agree with it though. What does the term matter - is it technically cheating or not - I don't care, as you said, it's wrong.

Let's just get the ban, let it serve as an example to others, and let's get on with things.

After spending gazillions on the squad, I'd expect anyone who had to step up to be able to perform, and if they're not good enough and we're not good enough, so be it.

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posted Nov 24, 2010

It's not in the spirit of the game but as has been said it's almost impossible to prove.

Although, with it involving Real Madrid, I doubt UEFA would bother doing anything anyway.

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posted Nov 24, 2010

Yea you might call it cheating but so what. Just common sense in a situation where you have two key players one yellow away from suspension and a game where you have nothing to play for coming up. FIFA know the situation but they can't do anything about it. Don't see what the fuss is about anyway. Please name me one manager in football today who you believe wouldn't do the same.

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posted Nov 24, 2010

Its all about strategy. The new suspension rules are really silly concerning the carrying over of yellow cards into the knockout stages and if teams can use strategies like this to their advantage then why not? Its STRATEGY not cheating whether they did it deliberately or not. Football is getting far too pedantic.

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posted Nov 24, 2010

it is bad sportmaneship, but it happens every year in the champions league, and also b-teams if they already qualified for the next round, is also influence incomes of poules, i think they should give a warning and maybe make so new rules or give a fine to the players.

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posted Nov 24, 2010

No. It's not cheating, it's being a smart and proactive coach.

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comment by myerla (U11777123)

posted Nov 24, 2010

It's not cheating, but its not good sportsmanship.

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comment by Virtuet (U1919611)

posted Nov 24, 2010

And to be so blatant about it - Ramos shook the refs hand on the way off - just grates.

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Dunno why perhaps its something to with the respect thing but sent off Real Madrid players always shake the refs hand so you cannot read anything in that. I would like to see sin bins introduced for yellow cards as in other team sports rather than the totting up system. Because it is other teams that face weakened teams not the team that was sinned against.

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posted Nov 24, 2010

Hilarious that Jose would even deny it. Its exactly the kind of gamesmanship that he personifies. Smart, but leaves you yearning for the simpler old days.

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comment by Stevat (U13819162)

posted Nov 24, 2010

There are a lot of bitter fans on here, why do people dislike Madrid? Biggest team in world football, who were one of the founding greats of European football, surely they merit respect from all corners?

The way you should look at this is positively, if you get Madrid in the next round you will face a full strength team, is that not better than facing a weakened team? Football isn't just about winning at all costs you know, it's about entertainment and pride and passion for where you come from and the team that represents you and your city. No victory is sweet without endeavour. If my team were to win, I'd want to know they won because they were better than everyone else, not because one team had a few players missing.

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comment by utd20 (U13912499)

posted Nov 24, 2010

People are making a much bigger deal than it is because it is Jose Mourinho and Real Madrid, if it had been any other team or manager, it couldn't have created such backlash.

I have no doubt that this has been done before; this is not a new Mourinho tactic or dirty Real Madrid.
I personally think its actually a great strategy.

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posted Nov 24, 2010

This policy also spoiled the World Cup for me with cards being void after the QFs (I think) meaning that in the QF a player with no card could cheat with impunity knowing a yellow would be voided and then the same again in the SF where the only way to miss the final was through a Red card. And then again in the final knowing that a yellow was a small price to pay. Look how Holland used it to their advantage!

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comment by nik (U2197344)

posted Nov 24, 2010

I don't think the players or the manager are to blame in this.

If it's beneficial to the team to pick up more yellow cards then the rules are bad, and the rules need to change.

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comment by Herbi J (U9525017)

posted Nov 24, 2010

Of course it is cheating, there is no debate.

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posted Nov 24, 2010

I think Beckham did it against Wales once because he picked up an injury in the game and knowing he's miss the next anyway he got a silly yellow card and it wiped the slate clean.

Technically it's not cheating but it is very bad sportsmanship, but in today's football sportsmanship has gone. It's hard to prove but it looked blatant to why they were time wasting.

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comment by foscari (U1655980)

posted Nov 24, 2010

Its called "Gamesmanship" and NOT in a million years would UEFA do anything about it! Actualy the Portuguesse are pretty good at this type of thing.You can ask a certain Cristiano Ronaldo."Wink Wink say no more". Maybe it was Ronaldo that suggested it to his compatriot?

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posted Nov 24, 2010

It would be great if Real Madrid were made to refund the ticket price to all the Ajax fans.

They won't do anything but surely the players should at least get banned for the first match of the next stage. Aren't there still rules against "sportsmanship"?

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posted Nov 24, 2010

Deliberate timewasting is cheating, and is punished by a yellow card, which is exactly what happened.

Cheating is, at times, encouraged by players, managers and commentators who are all aware of the consequences of their actions.

For example a deliberate foul to stop a dangerous breakaway, if the player receives a yellow card then he's deemed to be taking one for the team.

This happens in every game and is way more cynical than what Real Madrid did last night, but it is applauded by pundits across the world.

Suarez' deliberate handball against Ghana? Disgraceful if you ask me, but deemed professional by most players and pundits.

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comment by vusim (U14700783)

posted Nov 24, 2010

I agree. No opposing player deliberately injured/ fouled. No effect on the final result by "wasting time". Great tactics to ensure strongest squad for the next round. It cannot possibly be cheating, what is all the fuss about??

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posted Nov 24, 2010

comment by Stevat (U13819162)
posted 41 Minutes Ago
There are a lot of bitter fans on here, why do people dislike Madrid? Biggest team in world football, who were one of the founding greats of European football, surely they merit respect from all corners?

Two many reasons to mention but their facistic history is enough for me.

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posted Nov 24, 2010

As much as I hate to say this.... Mourinho can do what he is entitled to do. If the rules, as somebody mentioned already before, are so ridiculous to allow for something like that to happen, then they have only themselves to blame. Mourinho is a pure winner, and will do whatever it takes to do so, as long as its within the legal rules that govern the game. He did NOTHING wrong in legal terms. UEFA, you have NO CASE! You can't prove the intent, you can't prove diddly squat because Mourinho will just deny it.......

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comment by Virtuet (U1919611)

posted Nov 24, 2010

There are a lot of bitter fans on here, why do people dislike Madrid? Biggest team in world football, who were one of the founding greats of European football, surely they merit respect from all corners?

Two many reasons to mention but their facistic history is enough for me.

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If your talking about the Spanish Civil war it was the communists who committed the worse atroscities de-bowelling Catholics et, After which support for Franco came from all over Spain including the Basque and Catalunia areas not just Madrid.

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posted Nov 24, 2010

I think Beckham did it against Wales once because he picked up an injury in the game and knowing he's miss the next anyway he got a silly yellow card and it wiped the slate clean.
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Yes, when Beckham and England do it, its smart.

When/if at all Real Madrid do the same, they should be banned forever and expelled from European football.

Standards from British tabloids. Thank Gud 'The Sun' isnt in charge of anything.

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comment by Egulle (U8624814)

posted Nov 24, 2010

why punish?

firstly, theres no rule against this. its the old sportsmanship vs gamesmanship debate.

secondly, you can even say real have earned the luxury to do this, since they have ensured top place with a game to spare.

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posted Nov 24, 2010

It cant be cheating if there isn't rules to stop it...

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posted Nov 24, 2010

Two many reasons to mention but their facistic history is enough for me.
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Franco took power in 1939.

Madrid did not win the Spanish league until 1954.

Yet they'd been the most successful club under the democratic left-wing republican government before the Civil War.

A second straight title after the one in 1954, and Madrid went on to win 5 straight European Cups. Is it any surprise a dictatorial regime would want to make use of the club for its propagandistic interests?

What, if you were under a dictatorship, would you do? Turn round to the dictator and say, "No, you can use my image?" Do you think there was a choice?

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posted Nov 24, 2010

I think Beckham did it against Wales once because he picked up an injury in the game and knowing he's miss the next anyway he got a silly yellow card and it wiped the slate clean.
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Yes, when Beckham and England do it, its smart.

When/if at all Real Madrid do the same, they should be banned forever and expelled from European football.

Standards from British tabloids. Thank Gud 'The Sun' isnt in charge of anything.

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Everyone, to a man, castigated Beckham for doing what he did so there's no point making things up

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comment by Ibra (U14701100)

posted Nov 24, 2010

It is kind of obvious that this is one of morinho"s strategies to keep the team in shape of losing any essential and important player in the following challenges . In my personal view , I see that the coach was clever in this , and rare when a coach focus on all details concerning his team in general .
We can not conceder that as a way of cheating as many of you mentioned above that there exist no rule that forbids players not to do so , even if it is clear that it was in purpose .
In each match I see that morinio plays as a protagonist of a dramatical story , He does not expect a lot , but he anticipates .
to sum up , this was a part of a game , allowed by the uefa since there exist no rule that forbids such actions .

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comment by Spoony (U12294007)

posted Nov 24, 2010

Is it anywhere in the rulebook that this is wrong? If not, then I don't see what the problem is.

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posted Nov 24, 2010

How can you actually PROVE that Mourinho purposely ordered his players to get themselves sent off? Unless someone can precisely lip-read what Dudek was telling Ramos, you can't prove it..therefore Madrid have no case to answer.

It's unethical what they are doing..but teams have done it in the past and got away with it. UEFA need to change the rules, not punish team's for legally exploiting them.

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comment by daderb (U11708177)

posted Nov 25, 2010

This needs to be dealt with by FIFA. Cheating is more servere and would be treated after the fact by FIFA as a Red card type of offence. This is very much in the vein of Unsporting Behaviour and should be dealt with accordingly. Actions like this bring the game further into disrepute. Very difficult to "prove" but "n the opinion of every farplay-minded fan" this should be considered as something we need to get out of the game.

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posted Nov 25, 2010

As many have rightly pointed out, as no rules have been broken technically it is not cheating.
It does however, devalue the game and the sport.
It also highlights how different rules are needed for some things and other, stupid ones ones to be omitted.
For example, surely what Alonso and Ramos did is worse than celebrating with your fans or taking your shirts off after scoring? Aparrently not, for as we all know, the latter is deemed worthy of a yellow card.
This rule should be scrapped, and in the instance of taking too long over free kicks -the kick should simply be given to the other team. Likewise for a goal kick - a corner to the other team.
Common sense really - but I think therein lies the problem

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posted Nov 25, 2010

UEFA should find something more important to look into. Madrid merely took advantage of the rules (worst case) to get rid of the yellow cards hanging over their players and they did it in a non violent way. Would UEFA have preferred them to have injured opponents to get yellow cards? It's a joke to investigate it.

Instead why not look at the rule that says an injured player has to go off the field and stay off until allowed back on by the referee. This rule means that the team whose player committed a foul has a one man advantage whilst the other team gets a free kick. If the injured player just happens to be your centre forward then you are disadvantaged. My suggestion is simple - the player who committed trhe foul ALSO has to leave the pitch and cannot return until the fouled player (or a substitute if they are unable to continue)has returned.

Whilst they are at it they can make a suggestion to FIFA for the World Cup, in the event of a tie at the group stages for qualification (points, GD, goals scored and head to head) then instead of drawing lots they should take into account the Fair Play record of the teams and put through the team who has committed the fewest offences.

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comment by McK (U1817050)

posted Nov 25, 2010

The policy that clears yellow cards after the group stages is just an act of good will on the part of UEFA. If people can't be trusted to not abuse it then they should remove it, and the cards tot up through the entire competition.

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posted Nov 25, 2010

So UEFA are now investigatin Real for alleged 'improper conduct'... What a joke.

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posted Nov 25, 2010

Of course it was cheating and in its most blatant form, the problem is that UEFA & FIFA seem willing to overlook cheating in any form rather than take the legal effort & costs to punish it and remove it from the game. At a very minimum I think the two players sent off should have an automatic two match extension to their bans. You can't argue that because there is a loophole in the rules it isnt wrong to exploit it, just look what happened to all the MPs in britain with the expenses loophole!

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posted Nov 25, 2010

I'm not sure how any wrong-doing can be proved.

In any event, what's the punishment? Give both players yellow cards for Ungentlemany Conduct? LOL

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posted Nov 25, 2010

Maybe FIFA should change the rules - rescind the round robin cards for the knock-out stages - otherwise it makes perfect sense that this is going to happen.

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posted Nov 25, 2010

It would seem there is nothing common about sense.

The rules are clearly very easy to manipulate but what's the answer?

Sad that football is going down this route - no honour left, just the cold requirement to get the best situation for your club.

I remember when getting sent-off was felt with a sting of shame...<erm>

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posted Nov 25, 2010

Sad that football is going down this route - no honour left, just the cold requirement to get the best situation for your club.
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It's just business nowadays (breaking into the asian market etc).

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posted Nov 25, 2010

Simple answer is to abolish the "carrying over" of bookings but then punish the club in a punitive way for "possible cheating offenses"

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