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posted Oct 6, 2010

sounds a bit like barca, look how many top players came through there youth system.

all i feel liverpool need now is between 4 and 6 top players added to the team (depending on the formation wanted) to give them what they need right now, they dont need man city job, or a chelsea job.

i read he brought the red sox there first title in 85 years, showing his job there is similar to wht wanted here.

but what i want to know is, will he want a huge name manager or is he a stand by your man kind of guy?

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comment by dave (U1420515)

posted Oct 6, 2010

Anyone looking for an Asian sugar daddy in 2010 as the best way forward doeesn't understand the impact of forthcoming legislation nor what is in the best interest of the club. We need a solid sports minded concern to clear the debt and build the stadium. The rest Liverpool can do for themselves.

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posted Oct 6, 2010

You're comparing what happend with an American baseball club and what could happen with an English football club ??

Time will answer that question....IF it happens...but the circumstances are not the same are they ??

One example....Lpool have had an excellent academy for years....do they need to be told how to run one ??...especially by someone who has never run a football club or football acadamy ??

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posted Oct 6, 2010

As long as they dont sit down in teh press conference and say " heck G were glad to won this Franhise"... i dont really care.

H&G out the debt cleared and we can look to the future..

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posted Oct 6, 2010

I actually feel quite good that the new owners may not throw money in the team in the Chelsea/Man City model.

It would be great to be built up on solid footballing and financial football, in profit, with players feeding through from the Academy.

This may be a slower route to success but I feel it would be sustainable and won't leave us looking over over shoulders for when our owners fall out of love with us. (not suggesting this will happen at Chelsea/City but it must be a worry).

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comment by U14629810

posted Oct 6, 2010

lets hope they promise us any player in the world heck if we want snoogy doogy we'll get snoogy doogy <erm> <yikes> heard that before

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posted Oct 6, 2010

thats good we dont want instant foney success like city and the chavs <ok>

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posted Oct 6, 2010

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/U10733435


You really think the new owners will invest?

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comment by redconn (U2145708)

posted Oct 6, 2010

>>there is and a team that works around Ortiz and Bachholz.

More Pedroia and Youkilis.

Their youth setup is ace.

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comment by Slim66 (U9418968)

posted Oct 6, 2010

comment by Betamax boy (U10733435)
posted Just Now

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/U10733435


You really think the new owners will invest?
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Why do you keep posting a link to your member page? Are you feeling lonely or something?

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comment by Biglaa (U14568083)

posted Oct 6, 2010

Careful fella, you're giving me hope! ;-)

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posted Oct 6, 2010

Apples and oranges but the principle is the same. They will need the know-hows to do this at Liverpool. I doubt they can tell the difference between a CB and a DM! lol Time will tell, patience is the key.

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posted Oct 6, 2010

comment by jkielq91*lfc* (U10208616)

but what i want to know is, will he want a huge name manager or is he a stand by your man kind of guy?
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They appoint managers that are good to see them to the future. I expect Roy Hodgson will not be the manager next season. The owners will have someone that has a good CV. Managing for 35 years isnt a good CV if the trophies arent there.

They appointed Maro at 47 years old and alot of people at the Red Sox said he hasnt got the experience. He has won 3 tournaments since he has been there and he is well on his way to the next this year.

Looking forward to see how NESV does with Liverpool. They have done very well with there others.

Boston Red Sox - Title won the year after they took over. Including a huge win against 2nd placed Yankees.

New England Sports Venture - Every year they make a profit, and it has been a year on year improvement since they owned it.

Fenway Sports Group - Was a profitable company before they bought it, it still remains profitable.

Rousch Fenway Racing - Bought this as it was a loss making organisation, they bought it for 125M and since have turned this business around to make money.

My review is these owners could buy a lollipop company in Alaska and make a profit. Hell I would even buy myself some shares!

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posted Oct 6, 2010

comment by redconn (U2145708)
posted 9 Minutes Ago

>>there is and a team that works around Ortiz and Bachholz.

More Pedroia and Youkilis.

Their youth setup is ace.
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Ortiz & Bach are running the show this season my friend. Pedroia is really good though! :)

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comment by redconn (U2145708)

posted Oct 6, 2010

only because Youk and Pedroia were injured. ;)

And Ellsbury.

Having Papi back has been great, he was pants for almost two years.

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posted Oct 6, 2010

comment by Villas Second XI
The major ones trying to buying Liverpool are no the ones that ran red sox. They were minor share holder with lots of money.

They'll now become major member of NESV if they own major shares in Liverpool.

There are 19 New England Sports Venture members. 6 of them are ones involved.

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posted Oct 6, 2010

Lets hope they are all in the know as each other. They did a very good job at the Red Sox. I would imagine the minor share holders would like to stamp there authority on NESV and do well with Liverpool.

Liverpool operated last year on a 28M profit. The interest payments is what messed them up. If the debt is clear then that is 28M profit before any alterations they make. Not bad really.

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comment by yorkie19 (U969339)

posted Oct 6, 2010

You really think this is the case? There was similar hype about the Glazers when they bought United (i.e. look at what they've done in Tampa with the Bucs). The same could be argued to a lesser extent about other American owners (including Gillet and Hicks).

As a confirmed United and Yankees fan, this just adds a very interesting twist!

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posted Oct 6, 2010

This is an even more interesting twist to this story - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/1157606.stm

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posted Oct 6, 2010




Out of the frying pan & into the fire .......... for Liverpool


Time to get the yanks out of our football, they know nothing about our national game, they think football is played with hands and players wear stupid helmets and lots of padding

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posted Oct 6, 2010

I married in to a Red Sox supporting family, so really interested to hear this development. But there's few things that have not yet been mentioned about how the Red Sox have been transformed under NESV.

The biggest and most critical change was appointing Theo Epstein, aged 28(!), as general manager. The reason it was so critical was that Epstein was from the sabermetric school, meaning he was a fanatic about baseball stats and he overturned the entire philosophy behind player recruitment. Before Epstein, the old-boy network of baseball scouts selected players, in the Epstein era the egg-heads took over (Anyone wanting to learn more about this, read "Moneyball" by Michael Lewis - what Billy Beane did for the Oakland Athletics, Epstein did for the Sox). New mind The Curse, Epstein set out to prove that fundamentally the Sox were really not well run for a good portion of the 86 lean years.

Still, I think it would be a mistake to think NESV won't give the manager at Liverpool money to spend. The Red Sox have the second most expensive roster in baseball, this hasn't happened by accident.

A Red Sox academy as such, by the way, does not exist. What they have is minor leagues into which they place players they have drafted - usually out of college, sometimes straight from high school. Every Major League team has their minor league franchises. The key with baseball is to draft the right players, you do this in their early 20s, then sent them to the minor leagues and add them to the roster when they are ready. The young stars on the Red Sox roster, like Buchholz and Ellsbury and Pedroia, none of them are from New England originally, but they were drafted and they've turned out to be great selections. It's not at all like the football academies we have here, you don't have 10-year olds vying to become the next Fenway legend, the Red Sox try to spot talent at a much later age.

For Reds fans, I hope it works out with NESV, but the first thing to look for is whether they decide they need a new, and basically ruthless manager. Epstein is a serious wheeler-dealer - Johnny Damon, Pedro Martinez, Manny Ramirez, Nomar Garciaparra, huge Fenway favourites, all got traded when he thought another team was overpaying for their talents - and they might want someone similar in charge at Anfield. Whether it works in football, I don't know, but NESV are not sentimental people and even players like Gerrard are more likely now to be sold if someone shows the right price.

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posted Oct 6, 2010



These guys are just cheeseburger chompers and we can do without them in our clubs


However, I am looking forward to hearing their stupid organ music they use at baseball games at Liverpool

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comment by redconn (U2145708)

posted Oct 6, 2010

>>The reason it was so critical was that Epstein was from the sabermetric school, meaning he was a fanatic about baseball stats and he overturned the entire philosophy behind player recruitment. Before Epstein, the old-boy network of baseball scouts selected players, in the Epstein era the egg-heads took over



sounds like a round spaniard I once knew <whistle>

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posted Oct 6, 2010

I expect the owners will first want to improve the academy. Good young players to come through to save the millions of buying players is a way they work. It worked for them in the baseball department having 5 of there main players coming from there. They will cut out the poor-average players and fill there slots with young and hungry players. Money will be spent on Liverpool but it will come over a period and not a huge cash injection.
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Has never and will never work in Football. That method works fine in close shop sports with draft systems that reward poor performance with the best juniors. Juniors by the way who normally in their early 20's rather than the 14-16 age range where football clubs tend to pick them up.

Football teams need major investment to improve their fortunes to an elite level, anyone who believes otherwise is living in cloud cuckoo land. What comes through the youth system is important more to the fans than the clubs themselves, very very occasioonally several players come through in succession and change that story but honestly it has only happenned twice in the last 20 years (Man U in the 1990's - Giggs, Nevilles, Beckham, Scholes - and B arca now - Messi, Iniesta, Xavi).

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comment by redconn (U2145708)

posted Oct 6, 2010

>>As a confirmed United and Yankees fan, this just adds a very interesting twist!

The Red Sox are to Liverpool as the Yankees are to manu.

same type of fans, same type of history, same type of results, same type of rivalry.

I hate the Yankees as much as hate manu and I'm sure the feeling is mutual :)

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posted Oct 6, 2010

People should know that the Boston Red Sox have failed to qualify for the post season this year and only finished 3rd in a division of only 5 teams this season.

The new owners will not bring anything new, but hopes, dreams and american marketing.

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posted Oct 6, 2010

comment by DermoSNR (U13729231)

So what? The Yankees finished third in the AL East two seasons ago and then won the World Series last year.. Red Sox still had a very good record this year despite being in a transition phase. That's just how baseball works sometimes.

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posted Oct 6, 2010

The rays that finish above them will fall to 3rd or fouth next season as they don't have the wage bill to keep drafted players (the MLB draft means players have a set 1st contract after that they have right to leave for bigger wages e.g. yankees and red soxs) plus the red soxs had maybe there worst injuiry record season since the new owners tookm over.

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posted Oct 6, 2010

For anyone not too familiar with Major League baseball, DermoSNR's comments don't add up to much.

The Sox didn't make the post-season, but there's no suggestion the team is in any sort of disarray. Had they been fractionally better (and they surely would have been had so many of their starters not been injured for so much of the season) and won 8 more games in the 162-game long season, they'd have been the #1 seed going in the post-season.

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comment by QPRyan (U14632125)

posted Oct 6, 2010

I was George Bests Left Foot

What a ridiculous comment. It's thinly-veiled racism is what it is. Your "national game?" You mean a game that your nation can't even beat us at? Get your coat, son, it's time for you to go.

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comment by QPRyan (U14632125)

posted Oct 6, 2010

BTW, the similarities between Liverpool/Red Sox and Man U/Yankees are not exactly accurate. Man Utd do not spend where they do not need to, hence defying the "all spending, evil empire" tag that the article associated with them (don't believe, they sold Ronaldo when they didn't need to, and SAF can be as frugal as they come).

Actually, Red Sox fans are closer to Man U supporters... They really don't know anything. I'm an SF Giants fan, but the Sox fans are the biggest clowns in baseball.

BTW, someone please remember that the Red Sox have outspent the Yankees on several occasions (oh and anyone remember how much they spent just earning the rights to speak to Daisuke Matsuzaka over a contract, and you all say the Yankees spend spend spend.. both clubs are pathetic).

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comment by Ibra (U11912947)

posted Oct 6, 2010

Comment by Villas Second XI (U14116851)

Liverpool operated last year on a 28M profit. The interest payments is what messed them up. If the debt is clear then that is 28M profit before any alterations they make. Not bad really.

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Bare in mind that was profits from a season in which they finished 2nd in the league and a Champions League season in which they reached the quarter-finals. This year's report would show a considerably lower profit given their poor League finish last season and also since they didn't make it past the group stage of the CL last season. Add to that it's looking unlikely they have it in them to even reach 8th position this season (and no CL) so they may not even break even come next year's report.

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comment by SM51 (U14638427)

posted Oct 6, 2010

DermoSNR: People should know that the Boston Red Sox have failed to qualify for the post season this year and only finished 3rd in a division of only 5 teams this season.

The new owners will not bring anything new, but hopes, dreams and american marketing.

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While this is correct, the reality is it doesn't add up to the way of the Premiership Game. This year, did the Red Sox fail to qualify for the post season in Major League Baseball? Yes. Did they finish third in the American League East? Yes. So how could this be incorrect?

First off, the way the American system works, (especially for the MLB) is three divisions, where the winners of each division, and the best runner up in the division qualify for the post season. In the Red Sox division there is the Tampa Bay Rays (not owned by the Glazers) and the Yankees, as well as Toronto Blue Jays, and Baltimore Orioles. Due to the system they work, the Red Sox face each team in the AL East 18 times a season. The Yankees who finished with the SECOND best record in the entire league, the Rays with the best record in the league, and Toronto with the 6th best in the American league. That's the equivalent of Liverpool facing Chelsea, Manchester United, and (on last seasons performance) Aston Villa four times compared to anyone in the AL West or Central playing them twice. The AL East is in the hardest division in baseball, with three (and potentially four, as the Blue Jays probably would do better outside of the East) playoff caliber teams, and three potential World Series winning teams (Rays, Yankees, Red Sox).

Secondly, while it is a part of Sport, it cannot be under-acknowledged, the number of injuries the Red Sox suffered this season... Imagine Liverpool losing (for at least a third of the season), Torres (Beckett), Gerrard (Pedroia), and Kuyt (Youkilis), and Glen Johnson (Ellsberry), while also losing both Reina (Martínez), and Jones (Varitek) for a month or so (approx 25 games at the same time). Of the Red Sox starting line up on the first day of the season, they played a total of 16 games together - out of over 160. They've spent most of this season with AA/AAA call ups, and still competed in the most difficult division in baseball... Is it upsetting as a Red Sox fan, not to see the Sox in the post season? Yes, but they've done VERY well considering their situation. And it shouldn't be taken away from them in such an poor comparison.

While there are definitely, issues that Sox owners need to take into account when running a football club, such as Liverpool (such as examples given mentioning they can't wait for older talent and need to scout them young), this is a group of owners that have helped take a team that hadn't won a World Series in 80+ years, to doing it twice in the last six years. Since they have owned the Red Sox, they've had averages about .550 win average, and reached the post season in all but their first year (with 93 wins), 2006, and 2010 (latter with injury ridden seasons - both times still getting a 86+ win season).

As someone who isn't a Liverpool fan, coming from a different part of England, I've got to admit, I'm interested, and I'm not sold that this pairing does either owner or club the best option - but frankly, in terms of American owners involved in football teams - Liverpool have definitely won out. (Tampa Bucs while a good start - are a reasonable team, but not the best in the NFL by a long shot - I'll credit them as a young team, but have had losing seasons for the last few seasons. Hicks bankrupt the Rangers, and the Stars aren't a threat currently in the NHL. The Rams again like the Bucs are a below .500 team, though I hope they keep up the winning ways and win the NWest - Nuggets are good, but overshadowed by the Lakers. And Cleveland's biggest contribution to Americans sports, dumped them this summer to play in Miami.)

Still, it'll be interesting to see if Red Sox owners can bring success to Liverpool once again - though its a completely different beast to American sports, and I hope they've learnt the lessons of other Americans getting involved in real football.

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comment by Noshaq (U11522369)

posted Oct 6, 2010

Rangers in postseason. Red Sox not.

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comment by Ibra (U11912947)

posted Oct 6, 2010

Comment by Villas Second XI (U14116851)

Liverpool operated last year on a 28M profit. The interest payments is what messed them up. If the debt is clear then that is 28M profit before any alterations they make. Not bad really.

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Bare in mind that was profits from a season in which they finished 2nd in the league and a Champions League season in which they reached the quarter-finals. This year's report would show a considerably lower profit given their poor League finish last season and also since they didn't make it past the group stage of the CL last season. Add to that it's looking unlikely they have it in them to even reach 8th position this season (and no CL) so they may not even break even come next year's report.

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comment by QPRyan (U14632125)

posted Oct 6, 2010

@ SM51

"Nuggets good, but overshadowed by the Lakers."

Surely you mean overshadowed by the Utah Jazz. :)

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comment by redconn (U2145708)

posted Oct 6, 2010

comment by QPRyan

Your comment is ridiculous.

When the yankees want a player they break the salary cap and pay a fine. If they want them money is not a barrier.

When manu want a player they write a cheque for 30 mil. If they want them money is not a barrier.

When the red sox want a player they release someone to free up money to get their second choice normally. If they want someone money is usually an obstacle.

When Liverpool genuinely want a player they sell a starting XI player to free up funds. If they want them money is always a barrier.

The yankees fans deny money is a factor in their success until someone shows them their total wage bill. Then they say money is a factor but they 'deserve' the money they spend. Because they're the 'best'.


The Manu fans deny money is a factor in their success until someone shows them their total wage bill and squad cost. Then they say money is a factor but they 'deserve' the money they spend. Because they're the 'best'.



I know it's very subtle and sort of hidden, but if you look closely you can spot the pattern ;)

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posted Oct 7, 2010

@ QPRyan

"please remember that the Red Sox have outspent the Yankees on several occasions"

When? Not since 1993, so obviously not since NESV have owned the Sox.

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comment by QPRyan (U14632125)

posted Oct 7, 2010

Redconn, what is obvious is you are a Red Sox fan.

The Red Sox outspent NYY in 2008. Daisuke Matzusaka has cost them $60 million, with a $2 million signing on bonus, and they had to pay $12 million just to be able to speak to him after the bid was accepted.

Oh to live in denial, it must be tough being a Red Sox fan and having to wake up to reality sometimes.

NYY = Chelsea
Boston Red Sox = Man U

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posted Oct 7, 2010

"The Red Sox outspent NYY in 2008."

Er, okay.

One really neat thing about baseball, how easy it is to do research. Here's the 2008 average pay-rolls:

(1) Yankees: $209,081,579
(4) Red Sox: $133,440,037

Who outspent who, Wise Man?

http://baseball.about.com/od/newsrumors/a/08teamsalaries.htm

60mm for Matsusaka is what he could earn over 6 years, maybe you think that should all be accounted for in 2007 when he signed but that's not how these things are measured.

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posted Oct 7, 2010

I know people wind eachother up and its easy to get defensive over your team. But seriously, its a game. Its fun and its something to watch. But who cares who spent more? I just like watching the soap opera pan out... I'm a liverpool fan and I'm just glad that things might change.

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comment by mrbenn27 (U950621)

posted Oct 8, 2010

'Time to get the yanks out of our football, they know nothing about our national game, they think football is played with hands and players wear stupid helmets and lots of padding'

You do know that 'soccer' is an English term? It's derived from Association football.

It's good to know that you aren't prejudiced in any way! You're obviously an idiot, having summed up a nation of millions as all being the same when it comes to the game.

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posted Oct 8, 2010

I cannot believe how anyone can compare the Red Sox to Liverpool. This season the Red Sox had major injury problems, half their team was out for a major part of the season. Their two best players, Pedroia and Youkilis were out for around half the season (and the regular season consists of 162 games). Jacoby Ellsbury, the only first team speed threat was out for more than that I think. The shortstop and Third Baseman were playing through injury. The 'ace' of the pitching staff (before the season started) had back problems all year. Despite this, the team fought and fought, giving debuts to its younger players, and took the postseason race to the final week. In the final game of the season, even though the Red Sox had nothing to play for and the Yankees had everything to play for, the Red Sox beat em. This is in stark contrast to the hopeless football that Liverpool played all last season and they continue to do so this season. If Liverpool played a team consisting mostly of their youth players they'd probably get relegated. Despite being a United fan, I like Liverpool more than Arsenal and Chelsea but comparing the Red Sox to Liverpool is just wrong.
Oh and at full strength the team revolves around Pedroia and Youkilis. This is only Buchholz's first full season although it's obvious that he's going to be a major part of the Red Sox in the future.

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comment by redconn (U2145708)

posted Oct 8, 2010

Finally someone posts an accurate assessment of the Red Sox season.

Ellsbury missed the entire season BTW. :( he's fantastic.

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posted Oct 8, 2010

yeah, stealing home FTW :) Against the Yankees too. Not gonna forget that.

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comment by redconn (U2145708)

posted Oct 8, 2010

>>stealing home

Maybe it's ESP but the pitch before I said to the wife "he should steal home" Pettite wasn't even looking and taking his time.

Wife said " what's that mean"

<laugh>

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posted Oct 8, 2010

LOL, women, gotta love em.

Anyhoo, hope we can keep at least Martinez and Ortiz if not Beltre. I like Papelbon too but they're probably gonna trade him, I hope not.

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comment by redconn (U2145708)

posted Oct 8, 2010

With Lester, Beckett, Lackey, Dice K and Clay we shouldn't even need a closer most games.

I love Papelbon but if someone offered a trade for shortstop that can hit I'd bit their hand off.

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posted Oct 8, 2010

Yeah, Shortstop is always a problem. I thought Scutaro was good though, good average. Didnt like his defence that much though.

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