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posted Jul 15, 2010

I suppose you're right, Capello's formation demanded a big useless lump up alongside Rooney, and Heskey fitted the description to a tee ...

And who's the next scapegoat?

Unless he changes his style it will be the next big useless lump Capello picks alongside Rooney

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posted Jul 15, 2010

I don't suppose the scapegoat would ever be Rooney - you know, the guy that played in England colours but constantly passed the ball to the opposition.

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comment by WPep (U9767632)

posted Jul 15, 2010

Agree. The manager chooses the team. All the player can do is make himself available and play to the best of his ability. Which Heskey did. Credit to him.

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comment by 1962owl (U8424560)

posted Jul 15, 2010

Rooneys couldnt trap a bag of cement at the WC but at least he's shown he can perform at club level.

When could the same ever be said for Heskey ?

Its a mystery why he was selected having been out of form for....around a decade.

Its also a mystery why the likes of Barry and King were selected when clearly not fit.

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posted Jul 15, 2010

TB - My gripe isn't really with Heskey - it's with the management that put Heskey on the pitch for England. His form has been poor this season, he has about 9 assists for England (and 8 of these came in about 5 back to back games) The fans of his club don't rate him but the management pick him anyway.

In short - I will not miss him playing for England

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posted Jul 15, 2010

Rubbish just like all england players at the world cup

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posted Jul 15, 2010

Despite his performance in South Africa, he had a decent career.
I'm glad he has retired now, we need to look forward now.
Anyone have a suggestion as to the likely make up of the first team Capello picks for Bulgaria ?
This is mine, for what it's worth !!

Hart, Johnson, Terry, King
Lennon, Gerrard, Barry, Johnson, Rodwell,
Rooney

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posted Jul 15, 2010

Thank God for that!!!

He shouldnt have been in the England squad in the first place!! He did sod all for Villa this season and i was totally shocked that he was even thought of, let alone picked and taken, and actually played!!

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posted Jul 15, 2010

Heskey was picked based more on his ability to bring Rooney into play rather than his ability to score goals. People often confuse the two.

Capello probably realises he should have gone with two strikers who can score rather than one who can score and one who can open spaces for his strike partner. It might work in domestic football but the World Cup pits the best against the best and a striker being unable to score is a real negative; especially when chances are few and far between.

Interestingly enough, Rooney was the player who lost the ball more than any other in the tournament right up until England's exist. I'm not going to call Rooney "lucky" or whatever. The guy has got bags of talent but he had a poor attitude throughout.

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comment by spooky (U5195559)

posted Jul 15, 2010

Heskey has never really been a prolific scorer (one season 22 at L'pool excepted). He is what he is. It's not his fault he gets picked and at least he gives everything every game AND plays as well for England as he does for his club (whatever you think of how good that is).
If Rooney or Owen (previously) are banging the goals in, he gets some credit as creating room for them.
If they suddenly dry up then it's all Heskey's fault and he's the scapegoat.

Capello 'should' have gone with one up front and five (including two wide men) in midfield but then the way they performed individually, I can't say they'd have fared any better.

I wish Heskey well, though, he's done his best for his country - others haven't.

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posted Jul 15, 2010

The purpose of attacking midfield players is to create chances for the strikers and score the odd goal as well. In that role Heskey might have done a good job, but you can't play him in a strikers role when he hardly ever scores. It was beyond stupid. All the opposition had to do was tighly mark Rooney and the strike force was negated. However, Capello's tactics of long ball to Heskey, Heskey lay off to Rooney, and er, go on Rooney, see what you can do was astonishing in it's naivetty and predictability. How Capello got paid £4m a year and that was his only plan beggars belief. Heskey is a good footballer, but he isn't a good striker.

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posted Jul 15, 2010

Not many goals in millions of appearances says it all really. "5-1, and even Heskey scored" shows what the fans thought too.

Admittedly he 'held it up well' on occasions. But that meant we played 'hump it up the pitch', 'down the channels', and 'get rid!' football that we were all taught to play as kids. I'd prefer we got up to date and had a team that were comfortable in possession and could pass to each other. You know, the sort of side that are a joy to watch.

But that would require time and an investment in youth. Why bother when our leagues can buy in foreigners who are coached properly?

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posted Jul 15, 2010

Farewell Ivanhoe.You'll not be missed!

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posted Jul 15, 2010

Heskey was picked based more on his ability to bring Rooney into play rather than his ability to score goals. People often confuse the two.
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Mantis - Heskey ran through 1 on 1 with the USA keeper and hit the ball STRAIGHT at him - regardless of his apparent "Ability to bring other players in" his position is as a Centre Forward who's job is, primarily, to score goals which Heskey DOES NOT DO. But as the FA saw fit to laud the success of Capello prior to the WC by offering him an extra few million quid at the end of his contract before we failed, we seem stuck with this manager. He has said he will change things for the upcoming games but I will believe it when I see it

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posted Jul 15, 2010

I have mixed feelings about Heskey. He was poor for Villa, no doubt, but he could have been used better in the world cup. Lennon and Milner were equally shocking on the right side and a right footed player was on the left, nobody put in any crosses for him to attack. Why play him if the team is not setup properly to use him ?

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posted Jul 15, 2010

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!

The rebuilding of England's credibility as a proper international side begins here.

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posted Jul 15, 2010

Emile we salute you for your great service in an england shirt, the guy always tried his hardest, never moaned or threw a tantrum just got on with the job not his fault witht the world cup. Great servant

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posted Jul 15, 2010

Aged 32. Played in the world cup. Team bombed. Chooses the honourable way and retires from international football despite being fit and still playing 90 minutes regularly at the top level domestically. Contrast with Beckham. You retire with your integrit intact Emile and you will at the least be remembered for running your socks off. Thank you for putting the future of English football first.

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comment by Eewires (U5352372)

posted Jul 15, 2010

This is good news as it stops Capello from continuing with the mistake of picking Heskey, who isn't good enough. When playing alongside Michael Owen or Wayne Rooney at their peak he is good at laying the ball off etc. but he needs a real quality finisher alongside him for that to work, and with Owen now closer to retirement than his best, and Rooney apparently no longer able to control any ball passed to him we need 2 scoring strikers.

If you want a big player to hoof it to then choose Crouch, who is actually more skillful than given credit for, and has a good scoring record for England.

To Heskey I say thank you for all the times that you have busted a gut for England and for the goal in Munich that means 4-1 is not as good as 5-1 was. Never an England great, and recalled by Capello when you should not have been, but not the donkey some would have us believe.

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posted Jul 15, 2010

Time for a clean sweep new manager new players and build for the next world cup give the youngters a chance in the Euros as see how they go.

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posted Jul 15, 2010

The spirit which Emile showed when playing for England should be replicated by some of his supposed illustrious team-mates.
He had been a great servant. Always gave his all.
Good Luck.

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comment by U14379297

posted Jul 15, 2010

TheGunnerTB - I Taught Eboué To Speak North Korean (U14044106)

He played better than Rooney at the world cup and he does have his strengths, such as bringing others into the game.
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Thats when you losed all credibility. But then you have Eboué in your name who is the worst football player in the world and a Arsenal fan.

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posted Jul 15, 2010

@ Marcus:

That's exactly my reasoning as to why it failed. When presented with the few opportunities that arise in international matches, he fluffed his lines.

Capello picked him because of his ability to bring others in. He should have gone with two strikers who could score instead.

Capello never told Heskey to go out and score every game. There's hope that he will but Rooney was always the key threat and Heskey's job was to open up routes for him

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posted Jul 15, 2010

I agree with what everyone is saying it is a step forward that Heskey has retired now we can actually look to rebuild the England squad. That said he never moaned, always played his hardest, and no one... I repeat NO-ONE complained when he was setting up Rooney during qualification. Thank you Emile for the service but also thank you for getting Capello to choose another option. Now all we have to do is get Gerrard, Lampard, Wright-phillips, Barry, Terry, King, Upson, Green and James to do the same and we may actually get the chance to rebuild properly.

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posted Jul 15, 2010

Even Heskey scored 5-1! biggrin

Even Heskey scored 5-1! biggrin

Even Heskey scored 5-1! biggrin

Even Heskey scored 5-1! biggrin

Even Heskey scored 5-1! biggrin

Even Heskey scored 5-1! biggrin

Even Heskey scored 5-1! biggrin

Even Heskey scored 5-1! biggrin

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posted Jul 15, 2010

And just to add he has set an example to the likes of Beckham, Lampard and Gerrard.
Even Gerrard I think who will be 32 come the Euros probably will be a squad player at best.

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posted Jul 15, 2010

comment by U14379297

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TheGunnerTB - I Taught Eboué To Speak North Korean (U14044106)

He played better than Rooney at the world cup and he does have his strengths, such as bringing others into the game.
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Thats when you losed all credibility. But then you have Eboué in your name who is the worst football player in the world and a Arsenal fan.

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Before you criticize others learn proper grammar first.

Onto football matters, are you suggesting that Rooney played better at the world cup? If so, how?

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posted Jul 15, 2010

I think we should thank Emile for his service - the ridiculous backlash from some fans and pundits for blaming him for England poor performance is a joke. Did Heskey make that subsitution himself v Germany ? Its scary how many people no nothing about football, apart copying soundbites from the likes of Talksport.

Not once has he ever complained or bit back, all he has done is do the job asked of him. Yes he never scored as much as we or him would have liked but ask Owen and Rooney about his worth to the team and they will be very positive.

I fully agree with ScientificGooner (U7405967)when he said no one complained when he set up Rooney's goals in qualifying - but now feel to blame him when the WHOLE team failed in South Africa.

Thanks Emile for your contribution and honesty in an England Shirt.

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posted Jul 15, 2010

comment by marcusblackcat (U10353749)
posted 7 Minutes Ago

Heskey was picked based more on his ability to bring Rooney into play rather than his ability to score goals. People often confuse the two.
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Mantis - Heskey ran through 1 on 1 with the USA keeper and hit the ball STRAIGHT at him - regardless of his apparent "Ability to bring other players in" his position is as a Centre Forward who's job is, primarily, to score goals which Heskey DOES NOT DO. But as the FA saw fit to laud the success of Capello prior to the WC by offering him an extra few million quid at the end of his contract before we failed, we seem stuck with this manager. He has said he will change things for the upcoming games but I will believe it when I see it
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People like Marcus really ought to learn some humility. Capello is paid millions to manage England because he knows a lot about football. Think about it.

Heskey did indeed shoot straight at the keeper. Messi, the day before, also went through and shot straight at the keeper. Rooney had one shot that was so wide it almost went for a throw-in.

Heskey also set-up England's 1st against USA with a perfectly weighted touch into the path of Gerrard. It was his size and strength that allowed him to hold off the defender, and his skill that weighted the pass perfectly for the goal.

I lost count of the number of times the ball was lost by England when it was played up to Defoe or Rooney.

Heskey had very poor confidence in front of goal. Plus he's not a natural finisher anyway.

But people who know a lot about football (Houllier, O'Neill and Capello) decide to play him. A lot of "fans" don't understand why, but what does that matter?

I remember "fans" used to bemoan Peter Beardsley's place in the team alongside Linekar. Though now it is remembered as a great striking partnership.

Heskey was by no means perfect, and if any of Drogba / Saha / Adebayor / Carew / Kenwyn Jones / Berbatov were English, they would have played ahead of him. But as it was, he was the best option we had to partner Rooney.

Cheers Emile - you've been a very good player for England and will be appreciated more after you've gone...

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posted Jul 15, 2010

Probably a wise decision from Emile. ...He'll get a move to a mid-table Premiership team now and suddenly find his scoring boots! winkeye

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comment by CJE (U3822843)

posted Jul 15, 2010

So Emile actually thinks he's good enough to announce his retirement from Internationals as if he would have been picked again? Jump before pushed more like.
If Heskey can do it then I too would also like to announce my retirement from International football.

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posted Jul 15, 2010

Well Done Emile, some may say this is 3 months too late. But, please ignore them, they don't know what they are talking about, it's actually 10 years too late.

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comment by U14379297

posted Jul 15, 2010

comment by TheGunnerTB - I Taught Eboué To Speak North Korean (U14044106)
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comment by U14379297

posted 1 Minute Ago

TheGunnerTB - I Taught Eboué To Speak North Korean (U14044106)

He played better than Rooney at the world cup and he does have his strengths, such as bringing others into the game.
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Thats when you losed all credibility. But then you have Eboué in your name who is the worst football player in the world and a Arsenal fan.

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Before you criticize others learn proper grammar first.

Onto football matters, are you suggesting that Rooney played better at the world cup? If so, how?
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Heskey has been useless all his career.

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posted Jul 15, 2010

Well, say what you want about Heskeys ability but at least he always gave it his all, more than can be said for some.

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posted Jul 15, 2010

@ Brandyrecovery;

It's amazing isn't it. They think Fabio Capello is the village idiot because of our World Cup failings.

He did make a mistake with the formation and player positions but you learn from them. When Capello took on the role, I was delighted. You just have to look at his CV to realise he knows what he's doing.

To claim that picking Heskey was poor because "he can't score goals" is not only ridiculous, it's naive. Heskey is not an out-and-out striker. He's more of a target man like Koller and Crouch except the latter two are expected to finish off team moves. Heskey's meant to be the player bringing other players in and pushing defenders out of position.

People need to understand more about the physics of football.

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posted Jul 15, 2010

There is no doubt that the level of abuse hurled at Heskey is a smokescreen for the wider failings of English football. He's a scapegoat for many other more serious problems. He was always used by managers who should have known better that his best days were behind him. He was very good for England in 2002, and perhaps should have been 'retired' then by management.

But to see the venom coming from people...these were the same idiots who told us England would win the World Cup - with many World Class players including the overrated Rooney laugh - and proven wrong for the umpteenth time are now laying into a guy who should be celebrating his retirement. Pretty despicable and another reason why everyone laughs all night long when England exit an international tournament. They're just not good enough and now amount of blame aimed at Heskey will stop the rot ok

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posted Jul 15, 2010

Ok now could Lampard please follow Heskeys example and retire his "services" from England duty.

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posted Jul 15, 2010

Capello / Heskey issue.

Like most players, Heskey was played out of position... 5000 miles out of position!

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posted Jul 15, 2010

y just Heskey after the absimal performance by the england team the likes of gerrard and lampard,terry should hang their boots they have been woeful for england over the last few years. They only somwhere make it on to the team because of their reputations and they are apprently world class LOL!

Get rid of this golden generation and bring in some new blood england failed due to lack of talant !.

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posted Jul 15, 2010

No, we will not leave Heskey alone. He was a fantastic player at Leicester and Wigan, but his experiences in an England shirt were mainly poor.

He may not have picked himself to play, but when you have a poor season at Villa and get the call up you should assess whether it is right for you to accept and if you do accept then prepare for the negatives that will come if you fail to perform.

From this world cup and world cup warm ups his sole moment was the pass to Gerrard.

Sadly the Japanese defenders found it easier to score than Heskey.

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comment by salvus (U7754542)

posted Jul 15, 2010

Heskey gave his all when he played for England.He was one of the best players against USA.If Rooney scored goals he would have not only redeemed himself but also Heskey.

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posted Jul 15, 2010

PulpGrape

Ok now could Lampard please follow Heskeys example and retire his "services" from England duty.
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As England's second best playing in qualifying, can you explain your comment please?

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posted Jul 15, 2010

People need to understand more about the physics of football.
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What we need to understand is that Capello, depsite his good CV, has a very poor record at the very top level in international football - he is the manager of the worst England team at a WC Final tournament - the buck stops there.
If he had stood up and took the blame, rather than say that his players were tired, I would have had a modicum of sympathy.
However, he did not and what we see is a guy, who in any other profession, would have been fired.
Oh well, in 18 months or so, when England fail to qualify for Euro 2012, the decision can be made then.

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posted Jul 15, 2010

comment by MrBlueBurns (U7545281)
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PulpGrape

Ok now could Lampard please follow Heskeys example and retire his "services" from England duty.
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As England's second best playing in qualifying, can you explain your comment please?


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errr i dont think you want ask that in here buddy..

theres a savage bunch of animals in here waiting to criticise frank.

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posted Jul 15, 2010

Heskey gave his all and I admire him for that but I'm glad he's decided to retire, purely because it'll force us to have another game plan and not hoof the ball to Heskey.
You've seen the way the Spanish, Germans etc play the game and this is the way forward. Hopefully Heskey type players are a dying breed so we can stop relying on route 1

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posted Jul 15, 2010

"Heskey retires from International football"................well, there's a loss then. What is the nation to do?

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posted Jul 15, 2010

Now all we have to do is get Gerrard, Lampard, Wright-phillips, Barry, Terry, King, Upson, Green and James to do the same and we may actually get the chance to rebuild properly.
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You forgot one name - Rooney. WC Final record - 8 appearances, 567 minutes played, 0 (that is none, nil, nada, zip, zero) goals and 1 red card.
Get rid, close file and pick someone with the ability to perform on the big stage. Two world cups - differing climates, differents teams, different manager - all excuses used up. Fact - not good enough!

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comment by kris (U1605104)

posted Jul 15, 2010

In fairness to him, he's only the third worst player to put on an England shirt in recent times. Somehow Joey Barton and Owen Hargreaves played for England too...

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