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posted Jun 26, 2010

we need phillips' physicality especially against sides like nz.

whatever his faults are, he is still a huge asset for the welsh.

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posted Jun 26, 2010

Gatland must see what is blindingly obvious to us that with Phillips at scrum half we didn't cause the Blacks any problems for a game and 3/4's as soon as a scrum half with a bit of snap comes we look dangerous.Every ruck the Blacks had an extra second or two to reorganise as Phillips looks around and takes forever to get the ball away. You will never cause International teams problems playing at that pace. Rees must start in the future.

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posted Jun 26, 2010

It's a team game keoni and with Phillips at the moment Wales are not working. He is the main problem for all his great physical attributes the team is dysfunctional with his lack of speed at the breakdown.

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posted Jun 26, 2010

actually i think our main problem at the moment is discipline!

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posted Jun 26, 2010

Your main problem is that Wales are over hyped, their supporters deluded and paranoid. Wales remain not good enough despite the passing of generations they still cannot beat the AB's in New Zealand

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posted Jun 26, 2010

Oh get her!! ;-)

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posted Jun 26, 2010

Great effort? Maybe. But, the AB's were cruising and ff you lose by 19 points having put in a great effort whilst they play very poorly [uncharactersitic poor handling and dcecision making from the AB's tonight] what does that say?

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posted Jun 26, 2010

Correct - there's a reason why Wales are 8th in the World Rankings.

Why aren't more people ripping into Philips for his crabbing like they were Cooper a while back?

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posted Jun 26, 2010

I only saw the last 20 mins and Wales looked pretty good in that patch to me.

If Phillips is out of form then start Rees. It should be straight forward. Players come in and out of form and often benefit for having to fight for their place. Phillips remains a class player.

As for Lee Byrne - the sooner Wales move on from him the better. He's a bad egg.

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posted Jun 26, 2010

Agree Phillips' service was woefully slow today, gave the AB's too much opportunity to disrupt possession. Looked much sharper with Rees on. A lot of critisism about Biggar on here, but I felt he did OK in such a high pressured, intimidating test match. Yes he made some errors but he is young and will learn.
Overall a much more gritty performance from Wales, but the lack of class at this level is still glaringly evident.

Oh and if Jonathan Davies tries another grubber kick when the defender is right up on him again I'll be forced to have stern, stern words with him. How many times has he done that and been badly caught out.

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posted Jun 26, 2010

Rees looked good because he provided faster service against a more tired All Blacks backline. Phillips still first choice, better for rallying the attack IMO.

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posted Jun 26, 2010

Agree with Shotokan re Mike Phillips.
He is so slow at clearing the ball from the breakdown area and when he does get hold of the ball and crabs across the field before passing he is killing our outside backs. - Think he is lost in showbiz personally :)

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posted Jun 26, 2010

Great effort or not, it was still a fairly comprehensive defeat.
But well done to the boys. It was almost a Wales under-21s back division, and then only played an hour of the game with 15 men on the pitch, so if the All Blacks are supposed to be the world's number one side, there isn't that much in it.
Gethin Jenkins, Martyn and Shane Williams, Hook, and possibly bench players like Peel, Daffyd Jones, Ian Evans/Charteris, and even Henson, would strengthen the squad further, plsu home advantage in the autumn. Might yet beat them this year.

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comment by Alice (U14464556)

posted Jun 26, 2010

i think Phillips to start the Rees as a sub around 60mins, he's affective as a sub to up the tempo on a tired side but not start a game.

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posted Jun 26, 2010

I agree with Keoni discipline is paramount and the worse thing for me was jonathon thomas' comment about lack of discipline. That coming from the guy who gave 3/4 penalities away including that stupid shoulder charge on thorn!
We know what our flawes are but it's up to gatland to open his eyes and make changes!
As for the scrum half comments we've known for a while phillips' slow delivery so i'd like to see wayne evans and tavis knoyle push for game time now!

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posted Jun 26, 2010

Discipline cust us the win and bad performance of Byrne, Biggar and sometimes Phillips were an handicap too strong. It's simple when Jones and Rees played (the last 20mn) Cymru was outsatnding. With players as Hook, Charteris, Jenkins, Delve and the Two Williams.....Cymru will be stronger.

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comment by bachgol (U5707017)

posted Jun 26, 2010

Agree, pity about last minute try, 22-10 would have been fairer reflection on the game.
Lots of positives, thought McCusker was impressive, very dynamic. Bigger needs to get on the weights though, missed tackles and losing ball in contact cost us dear. Pity there wasn't a 3rd test (only joking!!!!)

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posted Jun 26, 2010

Looks as if it has been done to death but we are in serious need of a new captain right this instant. Mike Phillips and Gethin Jenkins are currently two candidates that spring to my mind. Anyone else care to put forward their choices?

p.s. anyone else think Byrne's sin-binning was ridiculous?

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comment by bombus (U4308223)

posted Jun 26, 2010

Yes. The ABs are great, but have cheating down to a fine art - unlike NH teams. Wales are not as far behind ABs as the score suggests. If we could be a little sharper in tacking and retaining the ball we'll have a very good team. Also need Henson back from tarting around on his boats.

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posted Jun 26, 2010

Didn't bother watching the second half, as referee Kaplin made it clear from the start he wasn't going to give Wales a fair shake. An AB free kick when the Welsh scrum was driving them back over their line? - a try to Wales at this crucial early stage would have been very important. I'm not Welsh and I'm not a Wales fan, but I lost interest when I realised Kaplin was going to be one-sided. I'm not talking about the general play about the field - players play to the ref's whistle and when Welsh players see ABs lying over the ball, coming from offside positions, swinging punches and getting away with it, they naturally try to do the same and get pinged. No, I'm not talking about all that inconsistency - I'm talking about CRUCIAL decisions, like denying Wales a try early on and making sure they begin the second half with 14 men.
Kaplin isn't alone in this. Wayne Barnes single-handedly killed off the Irish game against the ABs by red-carding Heaslip in the first half for what MIGHT have been a yellow.
I'm not saying that Wales (or Ireland) would have beaten the ABs, but fairness is expected.
If players are not performing well, they're dropped, if coaches are not perfortming well, they're sacked. Spectators, as well as players and coaches, expect and deserve a high standard of reffing impartiality from international referees . If they can't provide it, they should be relegated to reffing minor matches until they learn how. Otherwise neutral spectators will stop watching and the game will suffer. Both Kaplin and Barnes should take a leaf out of referree Small's book, who reffed the Boks vs Italy match - a fine performance all round. I watched to the end, even though it was clear who was going to win.

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posted Jun 26, 2010

I am Welsh and the only people to blame for this latest defeat are the team and the management. End of!! Its time for the NH to stop blaming match officials and get a life

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posted Jun 26, 2010

You cant blame the ref in all fairness, I think overall he was fair although I didnt see the Phillips sin bin so I could be wrong. Also, Heaslip 100% deserved to go against the AB's (and I'm Irish) so you cannot give out about that.

Good to see Wales frustrate them but I think the 19 point margin was fair, AB's were never in trouble for the first hour IMO. Surprised by the lack of attacking intent from Wales although that could have a lot to do with their mindset "to gain some respect".

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posted Jun 26, 2010

Before we indulge in too much - we did so much better etc it is as wise to remember what version of All blacks we were playing. I cannot quite decide if it was ABs 2nd, 3rd or indeed ABs "may appear at a later date". The Welsh team have been together for many a long time and those newly intoroduced have also been around for some time.

Almost a win is akin to almost pregnant. We played SA then Australia then NZ and all of these SH teams had major problems in their selection and STILL we couldn't beat them. Being supportive is the fate of all Welsh rugby followers but to be blind is only optional!

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posted Jun 26, 2010

Good fair article IMO.

I thought the ABs didn't have the focus this week; the only time it showed was when they scored the first try. We were hanging in there and I agree that we could have had a try when we had that scrum - still cannot believe we were penalised.

Can someone explain how Kaplan binned Byrne? Ok it was a lift - the ironic thing about that type of tackle was the AB/BOD Lions incident never even got punished.

Good 2nd half - 1/2p, Phillips, Rees and Adam and Barry Davies all had good games. Biggar needs to learn how to tackle - big difference when SJ took the field. Also impressed with McCusker and Harries.

It was a shame that last try went over - we didn't deserve that. Bodes well for the future and an improvement from last week.

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comment by John (U13973242)

posted Jun 26, 2010

Thats an improvement for Wales - but its not about a moment in time , its a steady progression that is needed and its absolutely mandatory that Wales and all the other NH teams that have seen some improvement down under to make a bigger statement in the Autumn. We need to put a little doubt in the minds of the tri nations teams and i dont see a lot of that at the mo.

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posted Jun 26, 2010

More complete welsh delusion, the AB's made 7 changes they were disjointed and didnt gel, Wales were dominated in almost every facet of the game, yes Wales had some 1st line players missing but lets be real, you were well beaten by an out of sorts ABs 3rd string side.....having said all this its only fair to point out that I was very impressed with roberts, he looked back to form, world class player. I also think that any NH side at the moment would get a beating from this AB's side, of all the SH tours this summer Wales have had the hardest tour, playing the AB's twice in their own back yard, not easy!!!! Wales can only benefit from this tour.....

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posted Jun 26, 2010

I have to agree with kingjohnmac there were a few dodgy dicisions by Kaplin, but even if there was a half decent referee NewZealand are still a different class to Wales. I also agree that if referee or referee assitants have bad games they should be penalised for it. I think there should be some sort of score system to improve their part of the game too.

I also agree with bombus the SH teams especially NZ & SA do get away with alot during a game but if the referee doesnt see it you cant blame them. But I think bombus you can forget about Henson, he will never put on a Welsh Jersey again.

The welsh players will have learned alot from this tour, and think all the NH teams have a good chance at beating the SH teams in November.



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posted Jun 27, 2010

Why is that when Wales lose it's always the officials fault?
Suppose not shipping over 100 points in two test is not that bad for the over hyped Welsh.

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posted Jun 27, 2010

No point complaining about the ref as I thought a few dodgy decisions went our way as well. Thought we matched NZ in a lot of areas of this game, the difference was that when they had an opportunity to get points they took it and we didn't. Not saying we would've won but the scores could've been a lot closer.

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posted Jun 27, 2010

Wales could not even capitolise on the endless amount of unforced errors that New Zealand made.
Not having the ability to take advantage of this is the sign of a very poor side.

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posted Jun 27, 2010

I was fortunate to be at the game at Hamilton. The only real difference between the sides was ill discipline on the Welsh side.

With Kiwi's you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. Last week Wales were smashed becasue we were useless and in Hamilton the excuse for not smashing Wales was of course the fault of the All Blacks! The good old Kiwi put it down to poor handling and and a poor performance by the All Blacks. The reality of it was that Wales had the better of them for long periods of the game. Wales controlled the scrum and were able to defend anything the AB's threw at them apart from the Jane try. The 2nd try was a farce and was a Welsh mistake rather than AB flair.

It is unfortunate that the media in NZ can not accept that teams can face the AB's and take the game to them and stop making stupid excuses for their weaknesses.

I was sat with many very experienced and older Kiwi gentlemen who actually saw what I did. That is, had Wales been more disciplined and stopped giving the AB's penalties in areas where Carter is going to never miss from, then Wales had a real chance of winning yesterday. They agreed that the AB's were forced into the errors they made for the most part and that Wales had done their homework and could have won the game.

On this form South Africa will stroll the Tri Nations, Wales free of injuries will beat the AB's in the Autumn and NZ in 2011 will be an open book.

Oh and this is not 'sour grapes' time either! NZ teams in the S14 were poor and that has transferred to the international arena apart from Carter.

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posted Jun 27, 2010

John, Wales were ill-disciplined, but to suggest that was the only difference between Wales winning and losing is just poo.
New Zealand played poorly and still managed to with comfortably.

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posted Jun 27, 2010

...........and that is what I am saying. NZ played badly because they were made to play poorly by Wales, not becasue they had 'milk' poisoniong or any other of a multitude of excuses the Kiwi's have made their trade mark. They played badly because Wales made them....quite simple really.

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comment by TARW (U13681343)

posted Jun 27, 2010

porridge im sorry but you are talking through your posterior pal. AB were not allowed to play well yesterday Wales took the game to them and got in their faces. We did not deserve to win perhaps but it was a much improved display against the form side in the world. Flanker we as a nation are optomistic not delusional pal and there is nothing wrong with that, as a small nation we constantly have to punch well above our weight to compete with the major nations, apart from the AB we occasionally beat them.
I dont think from what I have seen this summer we have much to fear from any of the European.
nations.
We took on the toughest tests this summer dont forget.

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posted Jun 27, 2010

LOL I mised Flankers comment about the fact that it was a 3rd string AB team!!! How do you work that out Flanker?? I mean the game was being played in Hamilton, Henry could have played the Hamilton Boys High "World" Champions team and be done with it!

When the NZ public does not know from one week to the next which is the strongest or mort 'regular' AB team what makes you different??

That said, I do believe the Welsh 2nd string team did pretty well in Hamilton at the end of the day.

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posted Jun 27, 2010

Population of New Zealand - 4 million at 2006 census.

Population of Wales - 3 million.

I can barely believe the 'we are a small nation' guff has been trotted out in a game against NZ. Get some self-respect.

PS I didn't see China doing that well at the football world cup recently.

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posted Jun 27, 2010

There again NZ does not have to compete with football to the extent that Wales does. All of NZ plays rugby where as it is a S Wales dominated game in Wales. Yes I am aware that rugby is played in N Wales but not as much and certainly not with the intensity of S Wales.


Size should not come into it (that's what my wife says!). China not making it in the World Cup, ditto Scotland and the 6 Nations. Apart from an equal record with England, no other team in Europe has a winning record against Wales % wise, not bad for 3 million then.

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comment by Kubali (U13723610)

posted Jun 27, 2010

The amount of guff that comes out of Wales. It was all to evident that New Zealand played poorly and Wales looked pretty ordinary.

I watched the game, Wales are not actually that good.

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posted Jun 27, 2010

Hummm going by your profile your opinion does not count for much. You are of course entitled to it but it would be wiser to qualify such a sweeping statement.

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posted Jun 27, 2010

So the All Blacks were "there for the taking", if it is so easy why were Wales not good enough to beat them. Phillips is only undermining his own team's efforts by saying this.

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posted Jun 27, 2010

TARW... do you undestand what unforced errors are? If New Zealand had not coughed up the ball through these errors the scoreline would have replicated the 40+ of last week.

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posted Jun 27, 2010

There are more kids playing soccer on at school and on a Saturday morning than there is rugby... so that old chestnut of dealing with football does not work.

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posted Jun 28, 2010

Football (you know 'soccer' is the dead word in NZ) is played by many kids on a Saturday in NZ as a consequence of parents and schools not wanting their 'Little Johnny' hurt playing Rugby. You also know that the teams are mixed sex up to a point where the kids can go on and play Union.

When the boys hit 10 - 11 then they usually get into Union as well you know.

It's not an excuse, in fact it makes Wales all the more a rugby playing nation with so few to choose from.

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posted Jun 28, 2010

So Coolblue, how are Wales doing in the World Cup (round ball type) right now?

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posted Jun 28, 2010

What has that got to do with anything......I suggest you go to the 'football' section to ascertain that information. I am pointing out to certain ill informed about the difference between Noeth and South Wales, which is not the case between N & S Island.

Oh I can tell you how England got on if you want with their 60,000,0000 population hahaha.

However, this is a rugby post.

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posted Jun 28, 2010

PS I didn't see China doing that well at the football world cup recently

neither did england for that matter :)

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posted Jun 28, 2010

"What has that got to do with anything"

I think it was a cheeky way of saying you're shhht at both.. haha,.. sorry one of those days :)

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comment by Stumpy (U14104323)

posted Jun 28, 2010

To Whinging kiwi's everywhere. Others are entitled to an opinion you know and Mike Phillips is quite right, you are there for the taking.

No teams on earth fear you anymore. Wales did OK but expected nothing a we wanted to blood our teenagers and give others time off, its a long season in the NH, much longer than yours.

Anyhoooo, we look forward to seeing the all blacks bottling it next world cup. What bullsht will you hide behind then.

SA, Auz or France to win World cup. All Blacks will choke as per normal.

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comment by jed (U14333667)

posted Jun 28, 2010

ďWales scrum-half Mike Phillips believes New Zealand "are there for the taking" despite his side's two Test defeats."


Mike Phillips is delusional. His face can be seen in the wake of Kahui in the first test, he could not take the tackle never mind take the ABís, this is just posturing and pointless rhetoric. Wales will not beat an ABís side in my life time , I am almost 50.

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posted Jun 28, 2010

Haha love it.. and we look forward to seeing Fiji and Samoa knock Wales out.

But Mike Phillips says they are ripe for the picking - oh so that makes losing better - thanks for boosting the ego Mike ;)

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