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Live - World Cup day nine

posted Jun 19, 2010

Come on Holland show the English how it's done.

Personally this is the team i want us (England) to play against Slovenia:

-------------James-----------
Johnson---Upson---Terry---A.Cole
---------------Barry------------
Milner---------Gerrard-----J.Cole
-------Defoe---------Crouch------

Rooney's Injuried and looked shattered if i'm being honest. Lennon and Lampard need to go out they offers us nothing. Milner and J.Cole in because both will offer us Width, something we're lacking terribly. Crouch and Defoe in because they've worked brilliantly together at Spurs this season.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Rooney was a disgrace on the pitch last night and a disgrace as he walked off. Why is it that no matter how bad they play there are certain players who never get subbed. He took off Lennon, who like the rest had not had a great game but at least he showed patches of skill, whereas Gerard and Rooney were worse than useless, if they'd both been sent off we'd have had more chance of scoring.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

michael

serbia? ha ha ha atleast we got a point. Serbia hit the post and the bar aswell. Youre lucky it was only 1 nil. You pratt!!!!

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comment by Noshaq (U11522369)

posted Jun 19, 2010

Not sure how people expect Rooney to play well when no-one else is. He can't do it on his own, especially when the opposition are doing their best to stop him.

Other people need to step up to the plate otherwise we have no chance of beating Slovenia, who may just decide to park the bus.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

come on england ...

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Personally, this world cup is becoming a nightmare for me.
First Thierry Henry (previously one of my favorite players) knocks out Ireland (my team) with what can only be described as cheating.
Second France go to perform extremely badly when Ireland should have been there and now my son's team England perform as if they are not getting paid enough!
Wayne get a grip, have look at the replay's and then apologise to your fans you didn't see what they did.
The ball has been available to use/train with to all world cup players for at least 6 months, those teams that chose not to train with it will no doubt be the ones 'skying it'. England appears to me to be playing too may high balls and losing control, maybe its me but it appears that the teams playing short low passes are doing well with this technique.
(I am not the best tactician of the game so please be kind to my comments).

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posted Jun 19, 2010

I see that David James has claimed Algeria didn't try to win the game... Funny, the stats show that shots on goal for both teams was practically identical, and from what I could see, it was Algeria making all the running. How about the players knuckle down and actually do what they're there for, instead of making stupid comments before and after the games? It looks like USA's disallowed 3rd goal against Slovenia might just save England's skin.... assuming they've got it in them to actually win a game.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Totally disgraceful performance by England, none of them seem to care they are playing in a World Cup. There are people in this country who would literally give an arm and a leg to even go to a World Cup game, these people are being payed to play in one. Yet there is no passion, no drive, no inspiration, no urgency, no anything! Worst performance I've ever seen by an England side. Pathetic.

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comment by Gordon (U2524150)

posted Jun 19, 2010

Steven_Edinburgh (U14397726) makes the comment about "one bad game" - sorry but where have you been hiding these last few weeks? It's more like "One good game" and the rest have been dire diatribes of lowest denominator football, worthless displays of ego over substance.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

For me, one man always fails to deliver in an England shirt whenever we win or lose or draw for that matter.

Big Frank Lampard. Class in the prem but just does not cut it an international level.

I cannot remember the last time he won a match for England as he so often does for Chelsea. For years he has been getting away with no critism.

Fabio - save your job and drop Frank Lampard.

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comment by U11846789

posted Jun 19, 2010

1. Still think England will reach at least the QF's - because we have an easy draw once out of the group. (Which we will get out of!)

2. BUT there are questions to be asked over the fact that we are NOT VERY GOOD. Too many places in the PL are filled with non-English players. We need our best 23 English players to be at the best clubs. And playing every week.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Rooney's comment is wrong and not to all of us sat in our armchairs and watching at home, but the followers who have travelled half way across the world to follow their country.

There is only one thing Rooney has to do now to make up for it. Score.

However doing this is all far too easy, the team has to be picked in the right positions!

Ashley Cole, couldn't get in the game last night becuase he had no one in front of him.
Gerrard wants to play everywhere but the left wing. Lampard doesn't have the triangles that he does at Chelsea with the three midfielders.
Rooney just doesn't look like he wants to play.

The camp doesn't look together and hasn't since since the qualifiers. Capello, go back to basics and play your best players in the best positions. Most of all, play them where they are happiest!

Robinho, looked like a Sunday league footballer at City last season. Hang on, Brazil play him upfront where he is happy he looks like a world beater.

We lack invention, origionality and movement. All of which Joe Cole has in abundance. Please Capello, play the lad in midfield anywhere, he just wants to play.

Give Gerrard the ability to roam because he has 4 others in midfield. Give Lamps men to pass to in his triangles like he does at Chelsea. Give Lennon / Philips anyone a chance down the right. Also give Rooney a chance upfront to prove that he is our best player. LEt the shckles go off these players and you never know, we might be there at the final.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

EASY group seems not to be easy for England. However, I am sure that after the qualification matches it is SAY E! But that requires a new playing system where e.g. Rooney is not forced to fetch the ball from the own defence area.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

We were at 6s and 7s yesterday, or even 5s aswell if you include Rooney. He was pathetic yesterday, then he crys off at the end, ahh is little old wayne not used to the booing. Grow up, yeah England fans have spent thousands getting to SA, the fans have done their bit, supported the team cheered them on, and we've got nothing back. They are sposed to deliver on the pitch so we have something to cheer about. Now the FA are complaining that a fan got into the changing rooms, I bet he said nothing but the truth and the truth hurts. Come on England

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Where was Gerrard's captaincy? He hardly led by example or motivated the team. Give the armband back to Terry, and put Rooney, Gerrard and Lampard on the bench for the next game. These players need to know that no one is indispensible - and if you can't play well on the big stage, then someone else will replace you.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Problem is that Capello has made it clear some players cannot be dropped or replaced in a game. Hence there is a sense of entitlement to be in every game. There is one big part of the problem.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

BBC Sport's Alan Shearer
"It's morning but it's not a good morning. England were dreadful weren't they? To say it was pretty poor is being polite - the big thing for me is that the players didn’t look comfortable in the way they were asked to play. That's why they were a shadow of how they usually perform in the Premier League."

Let's be fair, Alan, the English (and Scots/Welsh/Irish) players look good in the Premier League because of the company they keep.

Easy for talent to be seen by proxy when it is only possessed by a few.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Too many foreigners in the Premiership, which is no longer an English league, but a World league

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A lack of quality English players isn't the problem. Foreign players swarming all over the PL is a recent occurance, and a lack of foreigners in the English top flight in the past didn't yeld success in the two major international tournamants, with the obvious exception of 1966. But then that was a home tournamant after all.

I think the problem is rather the attitude towards International football more generally, which is seen as a hinderance to clubs and fans rather than being viewed for what it is - the pinnacle of its profession. Fans and club officials alike moan when the premier league is interrupted for International week, instead of feeling any genuine excitement/priority for the England team. Only when a tournamant comes along do we allow ourselves to become engulfed in a sense of pride and priority toward the national team over and above the clubs who we support/pay the players wages. The problem is obvious - not only do we the fans love our clubs more than we do the England team, but more significantly, managers/officials/players regard clubs as more important than the national team.

At City, we moan about Robinho's attitude, and question why he seems to save his best for Brazil, while looking average at best in a City shirt. With England players its all too often the other way around. And if truth be known, that's the way we prefer it in this country. Until this attitude changes, and by that I mean changes from within, then we'll win not a jot at International level.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

If Gerard played int he centre where he is used to instead of Frank then we would see the best of him, no doubt.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Gerrard Lampard

Why both ,with gerrard pushed out wide

England would be better if its 442

GERRARD BARRY AND 2 WINGERS

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Well now i understand why all coaches have been persuing Paul Scholes !!!

Looking at the way they played yesterday, England need a natural holding midfielder like Paul Scholes.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Oh yeah, where as Beckenbauer was really graceful in victory, commenting on our draw with the USA even though it had nothing to do with Germany whatsoever.

Naturally we are going to comment on your game after his unnecessary swipe, and the war?! What has that got to do with football?!

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Couple of things to point out: (a) I am Scottish and (b) I was delighted with last night's result. But I'm going to give you a more objective conclusion of last night's match than you seem capable of.

Algeria, who you all wrote off customarily before kick-off, were simply much more tenacious in defending and tackling than you ever expected, and put in an esteemed defensive performance, and England just couldn't switch into the next gear to see them off. Arrogance and poor preparation on the part of England.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

English fans STOP!
I can't believe the comments I'm reading here this morning. You have one more game to go and you're comments are
"I hope England do drop Rooney",
"Drop all 11"
"Rooney, he's a joke!!!"
"Don’t give stuff about playing for their country!"

If England win there last match they'll probably top the group. Instead of supporting your team you were booing them. Rooney got it spot on; I would have said the same thing, booing the man you got you there, your best player. Do you think that those 11 boys ran out on the pitch to draw the match, of course not? They did there best, just simply not good enough last night.

Never in a million years would I or any of my fellow Irish men treat our players in the way English fan did last night.

If Rooney scores a hat rick in the next game will you boo him?

In 1990 England drew the opening two games and made the semi final.

I'll give you some advice (it's free) start backing you country now, No more BS. I couldn’t give monkeys how you get, I'll be happier if you lose its okay for me to ask that because I'm Irish, but I get the feeling that some of you want them to fail, cop on. Your players need your support not this witch hunt!!!

Build them up only to knock them down doh

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posted Jun 19, 2010

surely Capello can't be fully responsible, the coach has a limited role, especially on the pitch these players do not look proud to be wearing the English shirt, the lack of national pride is alarming. Rooney in particular was horrible, and lampard was missing. The english players treated the game like a casual kickabout, the algerians played with urgency and you could tell that they were fighting for their country

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Problems about eng football team,

1. Individual performer with good individual skills but they don't GEL together and any foreign coach is just not useful to make them play together ,

2. Capello thinks his discipline is enough to grind the result out but he is WRONG ! He might have won medals and trophies at Real or Inter but managing national team is altogether different story.

3. Hyped around player is too much and they should be treated in same way with rest of the eng player who play for EPL !

4. Eng team should give new players chance sometimes senior player's attitude stinks and youngsters like Walcott who want to perform may do well if coach puts responsibility on their shoulder...

5. Capello should Drop Lampard in next match he can't play with Gerrad and heskey should be sent back, play with J.cole rooney and Gerrad upfront with LEnnon, Barry, Milner in midfield ! back 4 will be ok...if 4-2-2 not working why capello behaving like child and not making changes?? get team in 4-3-3 formation ok

I might be wrong but if Plan A is not working then Capello must come up with Plan B

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posted Jun 19, 2010

England ey? That team get payed thousands of pounds and still can't beat Algeria who get paid next to nothing. I am ashamed to be English after the why we played, all the other nations are laughing at us. Our Team should be

HART

JOHNSON TERRY UPSON COLE

COLE LAMPARD BARRY GERRARD

CROUCH ROONEY

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posted Jun 19, 2010

With regards to the booing, surely we as fans should get behind the team no matter what? It's such a 'The Sun' attitude that we should expect our team to win with an amazing performance, and then jump on their backs when they don't meet our high demands. I'm in no way condoning that performance last night, it was embarrasing, but I feel we should be cheering them on and giving them support to beat Slovenia, not jumping down their throats and booing them. None of the fans were made to go to SA and pay hundreds/thousands to see England play.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

So 2 draws, one average, 1 totally mindblowingly toothless.
Rooney not fit, obviously struggling
Gerrard playing out of position
Heskey...
.…………...................
Drop Rooney
drop Heskey
Crouch & Defoe
Joe Cole to replace
simple!
Just play people in the normal club positions! Hasn't it sunk in yet Capello?
I expect an England backlash on Wednesday (whether I get or not is another story!) as long as Capello plays the right team England will win, it's just whether or not he can see the answer staring him in the face! He's no Graham Taylor, so I expect him to make some sweeping changes & play the best "Team" not the best players.

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comment by York (U14276990)

posted Jun 19, 2010


England will beat Slovenia and fans will start to believe again that England can win the world cup.

There lies the problem. Beating average teams seems to create this arrogance that all England fans have; that England are world beaters. They cruised through qualifying because the competition was poor.

The greatest travesty is that a team like the Ivory Coast will go no further than the group stage of the competition because of the misfortune of being put in with Brazil and Portugal. England had the luck of being lumped with mediocrity. If they were so much better then they would have rised above it. But they haven't, because they're not.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

RE: Rooney
Sorry if this has been said but I've never agreed with booing your own team as I find it counter-productive but for a professional role-model to turn on people who have spent thousands during a recession is a disgrace. For me Rooney has to apologise before he's allowed to play for England again. It should be a privilege not a right.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

we need a more vocal captain, and capello has to show some players that they are not 'undroppable' *AHEM* Lampard *AHEM*

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posted Jun 19, 2010

surely Capello can't be fully responsible, the coach has a limited role, especially on the pitch these players do not look proud to be wearing the English shirt, the lack of national pride is alarming. Rooney in particular was horrible, and lampard was missing. The english players treated the game like a casual kickabout, the algerians played with urgency and you could tell that they were fighting for their country

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100% agree with this ok suddenly Capello's a no-hoper? fickle isn't the word

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posted Jun 19, 2010

There is no need to be calling for drastic changes. Yes they were obviously diabolical, and I am as angry as everyone (especially after Mr Rooney's outburst) but it's clear the players are hurt. You saw how the Algerian players raised their game and came out like a wounded animal, and that will be how the players will surely feel on Wednesday.

Having said that, I would like to see J Cole introduced for Heskey and switch the formation as everyone is desiring. Those in particular who think Lampard should be dropped are either blinded by their club loyalties or just blind.

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comment by York (U14276990)

posted Jun 19, 2010


I watched the extended highlights on BBC3 last night and the audio was terrible. The crowd had been muted, probably in an attempt to drown out the vuvuzelas.

I hope this wasn't a sign of how the BBC intend to act when faced with a few complaints from a few misery guts.

I hope we get to hear all of the sounds of the stadium when England play Slovenia on Wednesday, and not just the voices of the commentators.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Very disappointing to put it mildly, no doubt. I wonder whether some of the England players are burnt out - kept thinking that Rooney, Terry and Gerrard were long gone at the end of the premier league season and have simply brought that poor form to England. Some players are not fully fit yet - Barry, maybe even Rooney after his injury to be fair to him. BUT he should learn to control himself - the salaries they are all on and the reputation inflation that goes with all the premier league hype what does he expect! Capello needed to make the big decision last night and bring him off about halfway through the second half and let Defoe and Crouch have a go - it was Algeria after all not Brazil we were playing! I'm still hopeful against Slovenia that the real England will show up - no choice is there!

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Morning, I think the fundamental issues with England's performance last night was Steven Gerrard. He didn't fit into the system, playing him out left in the first instance is wasting one of our best players, but then he spent the whole match out of position. His drifting inside caused Ashley Cole to cover up the left flank, which then caused the remaining defenders to cover his absence. thus taking Glen Johnson out of the game and exposing England down both flanks. you then had Barry, who didn't look 100% fit, sitting deeper to cover. Frank Lampard was a headless chicken roaming the whole pitch being completely ineffective which then caused both Heskey and Rooney to track back for the ball all the time leaving nobody up front to push the ball through to.... All in all a tactical shambles!

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Yes it was poor on all fronts really. The team looked to be stunned as the match progressed that they were playing so badly yet unable to effect or change the pattern of the game. England looked technically deficient compaired to an Algeria side that were hungry from the off. Post match Gerrard commented in an interview that 'that was Algeria's World Cup Final' England should play every game from now on like its there cup final or they are out and out poorly. To top it all the fans were shocking at the end in booing the side. Yes they have traveled far and yes they have paid a lot of money. However the reality is there are up to eight sides with a realistic chance of winning the World Cup however there was never going to be eight sides playing great football. The fans should provide support regardless of the result or performance. The reality is England can still go through to the second round and are still in the World Cup! When the team is knocked out is when the fans should vent there frustration at a poor campaign and not before. The team will now feel more isolated and down due to the fans reaction.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Surely being the Englang manager has to be one of the easiest jobs around....All you have to do is look at all the media commentary from pundits, reporters, fans, ex players, etc..and you will know exactly what you need to do...(and here the answer is play Joe Cole on the left with Gerrard up front with Rooney, and maybe in hindsight leaving Walcott at home was not a good idea)....sorry forgot OUR coach cannot read English....

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Sort it out Fabio, it's been worse than watching Scotland so far!

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Having said that, I would like to see J Cole introduced for Heskey and switch the formation as everyone is desiring. Those in particular who think Lampard should be dropped are either blinded by their club loyalties or just blind.
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justify why u want Lampard in team ? just because he plays for chelsea? so who is blind here? whistle

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Capello is not the problem. He's picked the best team on paper but the reality has turned out to be different. This happened to Bobby Robson twice (1986 and 1990)and yet enforced changes contrived to produce a better team than the one he favoured. Capello take heed.

James

Johnson
Upson
Terry
A.Cole

Barry
Carrick
Gerrard
J.Cole

Defoe
Crouch

Lennon, Lampard, Rooney and Heskey have to go - Lennon is out of his depth; Lampard is not on form; Rooney is off the boil and distracted and Heskey should go because - despite a reasonable contribution so far - he isn't confident in front of goal.

Heskey hasn't played badly under the circumstances but an established pairing up - such as Crouch and Defore - would be better.

To have any hope of getting further in this tournament we need ball winners and distributors in midfield. You cannot hope to control a game if you lose the ball so easily and struggle to win it back. The further we go in the tournament - always supposing that we do - the more imperative it will be to have control of the midfield.

Defoe looks very sharp and Crouch has an outstanding scoring record for England. Also, as a pairing that works for Spurs - it makes sense.

Slovenia are well organised but they are not a great team. They are like England - mediocre.

What Capello should do is cut out the 'controlling' team announcements. This is bloody nonsense. What is the point of adding extra tension to a situation that is already tense? Give the players plenty of time to prepare - they need it!

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comment by duxbuk (U14487046)

posted Jun 19, 2010

the fan in the dressing room , can he play in central defence or maybe the left wing.
get him a shirt.
hard to believe we can stil win the group.
algeria were not only better but paid a hell of a lot less.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

spot on Gooblinho, this is not a team but highly overpaid individual to which the world cup is an interesting diversion from their bread winning jobs. There simply is not the motivation, the belief, the desire to succeed. World class players? Useless without world class desire. We deserve to be sent packing. But dont lay it all at the managers door.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

They are highly talented players, well most are. But like managers before him Capello keeps playing them in positions that they do not play for their clubs.

Rooney plays on his own upfront for ManU. - England play him behind the striker
Gerrards 'usually' plays just off the striker in midfield. - England play him behind left side
Lampard plays as the attacking midfielder - England play him in a more defensive role
Lennon plays right side - England start him there then move him left then centre then back on the right

Put these players in the club positions and play someone like Joe Cole on the left, who plays there regular for Chelsea, (Milner had his chance and blew it). The two Cole's play that side every week and know each other's game, surely that must come into it somehow?
Team for Weds:
James or Green,
Johnson, Dawson, Terry, Cole,
Wright-Phillips, Lampard, Gerrard, J.Cole,
Defoe, Crouch

Playing some of the 'second string' players who will be determined to show that they are better will / should enhance the performance.

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posted Jun 19, 2010

I'm Welsh, and not supporting England, but even I can see that the management decisions are completely wrong! Swapping Lennon for SWP essentially replacing one winger with a WORSE winger. Leaving Joe Cole on the bench is just criminal.

This is the England team I'd pick....

-------------Hart
Johnson--Upson--Terry--A.Cole
-------------Barry
------Lampard----Gerrard
Lennon-----------------J.Cole
-----------Rooney

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comment by fred (U14525352)

posted Jun 19, 2010

Some thing to think about, most English teams would like to sign foreign players but how many foreign teams want to sign English players.

How many of the England team play for foreign teams?

Are England players being made to look good by foreign players when they play every week during the season?

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posted Jun 19, 2010

Have to admit I had a chuckle at the performace but to me its fairly obvious what team selection he needs to turn things round - he needs to play them where they are used to playing. Rooney plays up front on his own, Gerard plays just behind him, then play 4 in midfield ie Barry, Lampard, Cole & lennon. You'll get the best out of Gerard, Lampard won't feel restricted and most of all it will work!!

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posted Jun 19, 2010

England have been desperately poor but i think they are not playing to their strengths.England are not suited to play the short passing game because,contrary to popular opinion,the players dont have the technique to pull it off.Put big Crouch up front,lump it to him and let the midfielders and second striker chase knock downs.Yes it sounds like kick and rush but who cares when its effective?

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