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posted May 25, 2010

I will say well done when I see track...

Do you think Tiike will build new track?

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comment by U14370947

posted May 25, 2010

I know that we will have the privilage of Tilke building the track hopefully its a good one

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posted May 25, 2010

The words 'Tilke' and 'good' are a perfect example of an oxymoron.

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posted May 25, 2010

Perhaps it wont be Tilke building it, I can imagine the states having more than enough companies with the ability to design such a venue. If the deal has been made I would expect that some sort of deal is already in place and basic designs are out there too.

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posted May 25, 2010

surely when it comes to building tracks competition would be good, in other words forget Tilke, let someone else have a go.

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posted May 25, 2010

Sorry to disapoint you, but F1 is in America at this time:

Brazilian GP
Canadian GP

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posted May 25, 2010

I dont think for a moment Tilke will be designing it. It is America & they would not want a european or any other foreigner coming over & designing a race track in their own yard. Americans dont like taking lessons from anyone else.

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posted May 25, 2010

I thought it was supposed to be going to New York?

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comment by Koenig (U7493994)

posted May 25, 2010

Anything outside the Mason-Dixon line is NASCAR country and too far even for the diehard F1 fan to go watch it in Texas, most of whom are in the North East. Much closer to see the race in Montreal! It'll only be a matter of a couple of seasons before Ecclestone will complain about lack of spectator and money and will shut this down too.

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comment by kevin (U11012360)

posted May 25, 2010

I dont think for a moment Tilke will be designing it. It is America & they would not want a european or any other foreigner coming over & designing a race track in their own yard. Americans dont like taking lessons from anyone else.
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v true, as one american president once said... the American way of life is non-negotiable! even if its wrong ;)

i just hope the new F1 track isnt an oval :P

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posted May 25, 2010


Since I'm in Austin I'm obviously delighted by the quite unexpected turn of events - I frankly had no clue it was even being considered, and I wonder how most Merkans are going to take to it! Now I think of it, Austin is a relatively affluent, liberal City with decent weather, some "alternative" sporting tradition (Lance Armstrong was based here), decent access by air and a few hills so just maybe they can build a circuit with a little elevation change and some natural views across a valley.

Whatever, I'm sure it will be a spectacle and hopefully it will thrive. Roll on 2012 - a much better prospect in my opinion than underfunded Olympics in East London!

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comment by Liam (U14370009)

posted May 25, 2010

After the farce that was USF1 and that rubbish track at Indy its about time we had some good news about F1 in the USA. However its still a way off yet and until the lights go out at the start of the first race I will believe it when I see it!

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posted May 25, 2010

Doesn't matter if it's Tilke or not, nobody will create a track much better with all the constraints that the FIA/Bernie put on it's design.

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posted May 25, 2010

Koenig : "Anything outside the Mason-Dixon line is NASCAR country and too far even for the diehard F1 fan to go watch it in Texas, most of whom are in the North East."

Let the New Englanders stay there - there's plenty of Motorsport fans right across the south from LA to Miami for whom this will be an easy trip, not to mention those that will come up from Mexico, Latin America etc. Isn't that part of what this race is about?

I can imagine there will be a huge line of heavy jets in Bergstrom Airport - heaven knows how the DHS will cope but they've got time to figure it out.

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posted May 25, 2010

To say F1 is finally receiving a world class facility in the US is crazy. Bernie had direct influence with the set up at Indy for the race. Texas is wasting money just as Indy did. Tires were to blame and it gave Bernie an out. Texas is international enough to support the race if F1 tries to appeal to the medical community in Houston. Bernie will blame the locals for lack of support and take his show to the next suitor.

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posted May 25, 2010

It seems that bernie really only cares if the Race makes money for him than the race tracks themsevles.

In such the reason for the failure to get a deal with indie people was that they wanted to keep more money and make the F1 Race pay it's way as profit making for the race track owners.

It seem berine is happy to take the money and allow the tracks themseveles to be white elephaents subidised by the local nation states.

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posted May 25, 2010

The track will be Tilke'esque, sterile and lacking in overtaking opportiunities but with some of the best corporate hospitality that money can build.

And the race? Well it will last for as long as it can make money for BE, so US on the calendar for another short burst. They need to forget competing with the Good 'Ole Boys tractor racing down south and build a circuit in the North East.

And as for the demise of the previous race, yes it was sort of a tyre problem(yes with a 'y' in it) but maybe more to do with the circuit managers diamond cutting the surface shortly before the event. This caused the surface to be extremely abrasive, something that Bridgestone would have known about as Firestone (same thing) tyres are used in US racing while Michelin had no data or knowledge on which to base a tyre design for the event. Seemed to create a bias towards the then struggling Bridgestone tyres.

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posted May 25, 2010

"anything outside the Mason-Dixon line is NASCAR country" What? The top NASCAR drivers are from the Midwest and California, not the SE. And TV viewership stats show that NASCARs ratings are higher in the Midwest than in the SE. Sorry. Also, didn't you mean "south" of the Mason-Dixon line?
"the American way of life is non-negotiable! even if its wrong." I don't see how a Bushism is applicable here. Exactly how is the freedom of speech, right to carry firearms, right to a jury trial, etc, "wrong," they're good ideas.....I don't hear many Europeans mentioning them even today.

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posted May 25, 2010

Let's not all get too excited about the right to carry firearms shall we...

More guns than people and among the highest gun crime rates in the world, not something to sing about except maybe in protest.

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posted May 25, 2010

shades846 - Texas is a Nation? Well, I guess it's geographically and economically bigger than some European states....

Anyway folks, lets not get to parochical about this. Figure out whats here before you condemn the idea out of hand.

FWIW if I have a concern it's more to do with the amount of Hotel space in the City given it's an area of 1.5-2 million people that will (hopefully) be hosting 50-100,000. I guess San Antonio is only an hour down the road, so maybe the circuit will be South of the City?

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comment by Gary (U2577234)

posted May 26, 2010

Oh thank you oh masterful bernie for smiling on us mere fans and with your magnificence granting us a U.S. grand prix for you are the bountyfull one and must continue to smile down on us !!!!! Where would we be without your benevolence

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posted May 26, 2010

No it is NOT aabout time. It would be nicer if one of teh existing tracks would be brought up to scratch.

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comment by matt (U14449295)

posted May 26, 2010

juanpablo
"freedom of speech, right to carry firearms, right to a jury trial"

Sorry mate but we invented two of those in Europe and decided the third was just ridiculous. Keep up now.
<applause>

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posted May 26, 2010

@ Bernard. Texas was an Independant Nation from 1836 until it joined the Union in December 1845. It suceeded from the Union in Febuary 1861 and became part of the Confederate States of America. It was readmitted to the Union in 1870.

As far as the GP is concerned I think that Texas will build a first class facility just as they have done at Texas Motor Speedway near Fort Worth. Who will design it? I don't know.

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comment by David (U14481222)

posted May 26, 2010

Whilst I welcome this and wish eveyone concerned all the luck in the world I still can't see it working out.

American audiences will never get Formula 1 as long as Americans don't perform in it. Only in the USA do they get off with calling national sports chamionships "world series" and why because no-one else plays!

I have always struggled with NASCAR, 43 lead changes in one race is easy to achieve when there are 500 laps and lots of contrived caution periods for "debris".

A nation which worships this form of motorsport and finds it exciting just won't get F1 where the leader is usually the leader because he deserves to be!

There is a glimmer of hope though, the ALMS series is very closely based on the successful European formula and if the fans of that series take to F1 then the show could go on; but in the south trying to win over Die Hard NASCAR fans......well like I said I wish them all the luck in the world.

They are going to need it.

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posted May 26, 2010

David posted 'I have always struggled with NASCAR, 43 lead changes in one race is easy to achieve when there are 500 laps and lots of contrived caution periods for "debris".'

Debris cautions in oval racing are not contrived. the smallest peice of metal and cut down a tyre and put a car in the wall at well over 150mph. I myself have called a caution for a screw on the circuit at Rockingham UK during a CART Fed Ex series race.

There are only two circuits on the NASCAR circuit that have races of 500 laps Martinsville and Bristol both being 1/2 mile oval short tracks. 400 miles is the average distance run in a NASCAR race. There are longer races (500 miles and one 600 mile race) and shorter races including the two road course races.

Yes, sometimes NASCAR use a 'competition caution' early in race IF there has been little or no running due to rain. This is done for saefty reasons for crews to check their cars.

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posted May 26, 2010

So much to process here...I live in Austin, Texas. I have for 15 years. I'm originally from Amarillo, Texas and lived there for 30. So I know both the realities of small town 'old' Texas and the new, modern California 'wannabee' Texas that Austin is.

This is what I can tell you about Austin. It tries so hard to NOT be a part either Texas or the South that in most quarters in the Lone Star State, Austin is considered the San Francisco of the South, Freak Capital USA.

If there's a goofball, wierdo, deviant, perverted way of life anywhere, it's here. And this city and Travis County (which Austin is in) will do ANYTHING to look psuedo-European or hip or trendy. This means if they can bilk the local tax base out of 1 billion to build the world's biggest F1 track so they can be on TV, then they'll do it. I'm sure the State of Texas economic development office had a lot to do with this to, so there's big state $$$ gonna go into this project without a doubt.

Austin's near lunatic desire to be seen as 'cool' by the world outside of Texas is so intense, I'm willing to guarantee they'll fight to build the hippest event you've ever seen. There's not a lot of NASCAR support in Austin. In the surrounding Hill Country, yes, but not so much in Austin,which is suffering from an ugly infection of 250,000 Californians that have invaded in the last 10 years.

Guns? Don't worry about it. Most Austinites don't have a Concealed Handgun License because most are liberal democrats and want them banned anyway, and that's who'll be going to the F1 races I'm sure. Now, get out into the Hill Country and small surrounding towns and CHL's are very popular.

Hotels? Yes, big problem. Traffic? Huge, ugly massive problem. The above poster who said 'stay in San Antonio' was right...don't even think about trying to get around town on the F1 weekend. The University of Texas Longhorn football team is currently the local religion, and on Longhorn football Saturdays you CANNOT get around town at all from about 2 hours before the kickoff to about 2 hours after the game. And that stadium seats about 100k folks.

By comparison, I think the Indy 500 hosts around 250K...if Austin gets near that many, the operative word for that weekend will be gridlock, gridlock, gridlock.

All in all, it's probably not going to last because F1 just doesn't catch on in America without an American driver or an American builder. Would Italians cheer the way they do if there was no Ferrari or drivers from Italy? Probably not.

If you come, be sure to get some good BBQ and remember, Texans are God fearing, down to Earth friendly people. If you meet someone rude or snotty here, they're most likely from California or a Yankee. If you come, look me up. I'll be in the State Capitol building on duty. I'll be on of several Troopers in the Stetson with a badge and gun. Be happy to see ya'.


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posted May 26, 2010

Texas Raider, I fully agree with your description on Texans. I was engaged to one before they lost their life in 2005, and count a few as my friends. I am sure that F1 will receive a good Texas Welcome when it come in 2012. I also salute you in your choosen profession.

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posted May 26, 2010

I'm sorry for your loss, that's a really tough break.

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posted May 26, 2010

They don't even have a site for the circuit atm.

But the organisers have said that Austin is more F1 than nascar, because it's more sophisticated, high tech, and has the night life ... Hmmmm :)

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posted May 26, 2010

Strange that many Europeans that have posted here want, wish, hope that F1 will fail in the US of A.
This saddens me because, we as fans, should cheer every reasonable effort to make this sport grow; specially, in a country such as the US.

I want to congratulate the Texans for this news, even though the race will be in Austin and not some other place such as Dallas, Hou, or SA.

Hou and Dallas, have direct flights to every major city in Mexico, who could easyly send over 20k to a race in TX.; and to all the capitals in South America.

I believe that the race, in TX will be a success.

Finally, do not underestimate Texans. When they decide to do or build something, usually it ends up bigger, better, and nicer than if built in another country or state.

Congratulations to my Texan friends and as they say: "Don't Mess With Texas"

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posted May 26, 2010

I would like to see F1 in the US.
MotoGP has 2 Racaes in the US.
F1 doesnt have one until now!

But some Broadcasters will be tearing their hair out with the US GP in Texas...it means the race could be on at 9pm...I cant see them running 57 laps or the GP will be going on until around 11pm British Time.
But it will be funny to see what the BBC does about it mind you, has to be on BBC1 not BBC2!!

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posted May 26, 2010

The start time for the GP will be about 7pm UK time as Texas is 6 hours behind us.

I think Austin was chosen because it is the state capital. Fort Worth/Dallas area has had a GP before on the streets of Dallas and has the other major racing events in Texas ie NASCAR twice a year and IRL.

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comment by GURU2U (U10597452)

posted May 27, 2010

Congratulations and good luck to Tavo Hellmund and Full Throttle Productions for announcing their running of the USA Grand Prix from 2012.

If F1 is to be a real "World" championship it has to race in the US.

Going back to the 60's and 70's there were some great races at Watkins Glen and one could argue that, had it been possible for Bernie to work with Watkins Glen the races would have continued and become one of the "classic" races on the calander, but it was not to be.

Subsequently a number of other US venues have been tried but for one reason or another have not been successful.

Austin, Texas has a clean sheet of paper to start, but I am not convinced that the right man to draw on that paper is Tilke.

None of his circuits have been true "racing" cicuits. Any fool can put world beating facilities on a circuit given the funding, and this has indeed happened, but it takes a really talented and uniquely skilled individual or team to design and construct a circuit where "spa" like racing is possible.

I was saddened to learn that Tilke had been appointed again to construct the circuit because there is no evidence so far that he is capable of producing a "racing" circuit, indeed, if he were to produce another Bahrain how long would the American dollars keep flowing to support a white elephant.

In my opinion, the Americans have the talent, the funding, and the capabilitie to produce a world beating circuit from their own resources.

Designing cicuits is not new to them, the Glen was born in the fifties and compares with the "classic" european venues so why not a noughties Glen with American enthusiasm, resource and showmanship. Create a genuine American pure bred F1 circuit, the first new "classic" for thirty years.

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posted May 27, 2010

@David
Just because the US does not dominate in F1 or Rugby doesnt mean they are not good at sports. Who dominates in the summer Olympics, Winter Olympics, Track and Field, Surfing, World Cup Skiing, Snowboarding, Boxing, Surfing, Tennis, Golf, Americas Cup Sailing, sometimes Moto GP, pretty many sport you can imagine? England? Try the US. Texas has the technology, the funding, the fans. I mean drive in Texas and you will see exotic Italian and German Cars on the road- more so than I saw in England. Phoenix, Denver, LA, Houston, Dallas FW(combined population of more then England's)_are not too far from Austin. The US has the motoring tradition, their manufactures have been involved in F1 and their drivers have won F1 too in the past.

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posted May 27, 2010

"spa" like racing....don't you mean "road america" like racing.....

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posted May 27, 2010

JuanPablo...
I know Europeans, some, consider everything west of the Atlantic, rude, uncivilized, and lacking automotive technology; but I think you got a little carried away with your response.

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posted May 27, 2010

I live in Austin (have done for 10 years) and I have followed F1 for over 30 years since I went to the '79 British GP at Silverstone (Won by Clay Regazzoni in a Williams).
I'm really looking forward to have F1 come and race here. I'm sure the traffic will be terrible, like it is at most venues when big events are held, but it will be worth it. You have to go to an F1 race to really soak up the atmosphere and to really get into it. Once you have been you get a much better appreciation of it when you watch it on TV.
I'm sure it will be a success. The folks in Austin and Texas know how to get stuff done right.
Thanks Bernie and The City of Austin for bringing F1 to my doorstep. I can hardly wait until 2012.

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posted May 27, 2010

F1 going to the biggest economy in the world is good. It will only be a matter of time when some of the biggest companies in the US start to sponsor the event and F1 teams.

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posted May 27, 2010

WRONG! F1 wil fail just as "football"(soccer) has failed. Americans can spot Euro bs gangterism when they see it. Americans spotted it at the Vancouver Olympics; had the games been in the US Europeans would have screamed "cheaters," but they love Canada so they were ok with the lies and conspiracies fabricated to explain why only Canadian athletes could practice on the sites and why an NHL and not an OLYMPIC ice surface needed to be used in hockey(so the swiss wouldn't crush Canada AGAIN)

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posted May 28, 2010

Great, F1 is coming home to Texas. Now I can drive to the race and be back home for diner. It's about time we get to feel the screaming sound of F1 engines in our bones rather than listening to it on TV at full volume.

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posted May 28, 2010

@Juanpablo- you dont make sense. F1 in the US was watched by more than 125K at Indy.

Also, when Canada sent their best players in Europe with International size rinks- they won lots of titles. Switzerland is just a tier 2 hockey team coached by a canadian with canadian players. When Canadian juniors go to Europe, they win bottom line.

There are 50 hockey rinks in Vancouver not just one to practice on during the olympics.

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posted May 28, 2010

@sportster
"Just because the US does not dominate in F1 or Rugby doesnt mean they are not good at sports. Who dominates in the summer Olympics, Winter Olympics, Track and Field, Surfing, World Cup Skiing, Snowboarding, Boxing, Surfing, Tennis, Golf, Americas Cup Sailing, sometimes Moto GP, pretty many sport you can imagine? England? Try the US. Texas has the technology, the funding, the fans. I mean drive in Texas and you will see exotic Italian and German Cars on the road- more so than I saw in England. Phoenix, Denver, LA, Houston, Dallas FW(combined population of more then England's)_are not too far from Austin. The US has the motoring tradition, their manufactures have been involved in F1 and their drivers have won F1 too in the past."

Exotic german cars? Love it :D

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posted May 28, 2010

I fear a bland middle-of-the-road track once again by Bernie's favourite

Austin on the other hand seems like a good choice to host Formula 1

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posted May 28, 2010

why are peopler loving the sound of it, its been designed by Tilke, name me a half decent track he ever designed, none, you cannot overtake on any of them.

Why all the fuss about it, its gonna be another bland lifeless track

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posted May 28, 2010

From the comments above it seems that the US fanbase for F1 tends to be in "blue" states, whereas the NASCAR fanbase tends to be in "red" states. It sounds like I'm generalising but that's what I'm seeing. This leads me on to my point - as the fans in the NE already attend the Canadian GP in Montreal, why not appeal to the supposed fanbase in the western Democrat states?

There is an existing circuit near the Pacific Coast in California - it's called Laguna Seca. The only problem I can see at this point is the Corkscrew's sudden gradient change being an issue for the cars, however I'm sure that can be smoothed off.

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posted May 28, 2010

I would rather go to the race in a "blue" state. People are friendlier.

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posted May 28, 2010

I have spent a decent amount of time in Austin. It is a wonderful city and the people are fantastically friendly.

To all those who have issues with red states, the Mayor of Austin is a Democrat!

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