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British athletes' record wait

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posted May 4, 2010

Montell Douglas beat Kathy Cooks 100m record last year . . .

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posted May 4, 2010

Wasn't it 2 years ago?

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posted May 4, 2010

Yeah it was actually, she struggled to go under 11.5s last year!

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posted May 4, 2010

I'm guessing it should read 200m and 400m

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posted May 4, 2010

See the marathon thread for a dozen reasons that very few are being broken and most aren't under any sort of threat.

The world and the sport are in a completely different state from the 1980s and this is just another way of measuring that difference.

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posted May 4, 2010

I think there was a definite lull in coaching and athlete production of kids throughout the 80's and early 90's whilst we were enjoying Christie, Gunnel, Jacksone et al. We are now only now begginging to see the fruits of the efforts put in during the mid-late 90's of increased athlete investment, initiatives, support and Hipacs etc with athletes starting to shine such as Montell, Jess, and Greg R breaking (or at least equalling) British Records and a few more definitely capable of doing so, such as Martyn Rooney and Jeanette Kwakye + Jess again.

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posted May 4, 2010

Why do you think some of these records have stood for so long? And which do you think will be broken this year?

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Not blowing my own trumpet but this was discussed last year and contained some interesting responses:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A55948369

It is possible that some of those records are not as clean as they would certainly need to be these days. Those set before the requirement for mandatory out of competition testing require us to trust in the honesty of the athletes involved but competing in a climate when you were certain that the Americans, Russians and Warsaw pact athletes were doping and getting away with it, it is surely beyond credulity to think that some, even a small minority of GB athletes wouldn't think that if you can't beat them join them.

Even the records broken after mandatory OOC testing may not be so clean. Reliable tests for EPO, blood doping, human growth hormone, designer steroids etc were not available until into the noughties so it is possible that some of those records are not as clean as they should be either.

So it could be possible that some of those records stand completely unchallenged today because it is not possible to beat them cleanly.

To counter that, many of these records have been beaten several times by athletes from other countries in the last five years or so when dope testing has been very stringent so there is no excuse for UK athletes not being able to do the same or at least come close.

I don't think any will be broken this year.



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posted May 4, 2010

I think the Womens Pole Vault Record will be broken more than once this year. I'd bet on that actually.

Possibly the Mens LJ

Quite Possibly the Mens 10k

Quite Possibly the Mens Pole Vault

Also quite possibly the womens HJ

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posted May 4, 2010

I think the reason for some of the men's records is that they are very good world class performances which have only been broken by a handful of people in the world. The 110mh & 800m even the 100m & JT are very good marks. And obviously no one in the world has come close to the TJ record.

I can see the men's LJ and women's Hept, HJ and 100mh going this year.

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posted May 4, 2010

ennis - could get 3 this year -the heptathlon, hj and high hurdles.

womens pv and maybe the mens .

the mens 400m hurdles possibly by dai greene.

the mens long jump - maybe by rutherford rather than tomlinson, and hopefully as they win gold at the euros or commonwealths.

jenny meadows maybe in the 800m, and goldie sayers could get the javelin record (as whitbread and sanderson distances are with the old spec)

im struggling apart from that- it would be possible but optimistic to see idowu jumping 18.30 to get the world and british record

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posted May 4, 2010

All current athletes who are doing well would have done just as well if not better with their own original coachs, or with any other decent coach, FH2 is such a brown noser, but then again you have to be when hisclub is being over fed by his Pals

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Say's Longthrow, the all knowing who knows nothing

Right, so all current athletes would have done just as well. Ah well let's knock down the EIS Sheffield then as it's obviously been of no use to anyone. Especially Jess Ennis, make her train in the Don Valley in the rain from now on! Let's scrap all the warm weather camps as well, they are no use either, Greg would have still broken the British Record if he was still training at Milton Keynes's track under his old school coach.
Of course!

Hahaha

Or you could just resort to the old "he works for UKA" line you use so well. That solves everything doesn't it.

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posted May 4, 2010

Of Kathy Cook's two British records - the 200m and 400m - it is the latter that's likely to go first...

Cook's 400m mark of 49.43 is very good, but three British athletes have been fairly close to it ( Merry, Ohurugu and Sanders ). In comparatives terms ( if we try understand it in terms of percentage/proportionate differences ), then the 200m leaves the largest room for improvement. Cook's 200m time - 22.10 - looks very, very hard to beat. Of all her times, her 200m time was always her best...

Looking at Ennis - have to agree with posters who think she may get the High Jump, Hurdles and the British Heptathlon records this season...she's already so close!

Could Mo Farah get Moorcroft's 5000m mark this year?!

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posted May 4, 2010

Could Mo Farah get Moorcroft's 5000m mark this year?!

I think he could, it's within his capability if he races smart. I think he would need someone to chase though, it's unlikely he could run sub 13 alone.

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posted May 4, 2010

Runsformiles...

Have to agree with your post...If Farah does get Moorcroft's record, it'll probably be whilst chasing any number of the African athletes, and most likely in one of the Diamond League events...but then I've been wrong plenty...

[ What if he were to take Moorcroft's record and still not crack 13mins - it is possible - I'm sure he'd be disappointed! ]

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posted May 5, 2010

There is no money in athletics except at the very top.




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posted May 5, 2010

and one more thing..

You would need to get a British record to get on the BBC site. 3rd best of all time would not cut it. Unless you are sprinter of course

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posted May 5, 2010

........... and because some of UK National Records in the "league" of National records are quite average/mediocre

e.g. As a world level of performance what is better - Jess Ennis beating the UK HJ record by 1cm or somebody missing out on Cathy cooks 200m record by 0.05s

Somebody beating the UK Mens Pole Vault record by 1cm or somebody running Sub 13s for 110mH

For a number of National Records UK barely makes into the Top 30 (Country) in the World let alone individual Athletes performances. It would also look decidedly worse if it wasn't for single athletes performances (e.g. Ashia Hansen, Goldie Sayers). The worst area of course being the field events.

British Athletes failing to break mediocre National Records or putting in a truly world class jump/throw etc - there should be the worry - but it's being going on for 100years (esp heavy throws) so why change a "winning" philosophy

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posted May 5, 2010

Is 606 just an opportunity for BBC journalists to be lazy... This is the second time that one of my articles has had the BBc makeover and been released by one of its journalists...From my experience of working at the BBC, this doesnt surprise me, cuthroat bunch with very little talent

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posted May 5, 2010

What article?

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posted May 5, 2010

RedBrynner... yes it is true most sports journalist don't even leave their house anymore. Instead just listen/watch the sports and re-write other people's articles...

Very often from forums.

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