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**** Grand National Thoughts ****

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posted Apr 10, 2010

absolutely fabulous for mccoy so good for him to win it at last ... mccoy for sports personality of the year ...

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posted Apr 10, 2010

So happy for AP, no man deserves it more. He's THE GREATEST jump jockey ever.

Also great to see the top 2 carrying 11-6!! All trends can go out of the window now <laugh>

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comment by JoDan (U10481375)

posted Apr 10, 2010

Loved the race and happy State of Play got me out of jail.

Personally I feel the race lacked a little class this year compared to past yearsbut that makes the National special, never easy to predict and anything can happen.

The best news is all horses got back safely and well done AP and also a special mention for Richard Johnson, gave Big Fella Thanks an amazing ride too.

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posted Apr 10, 2010

I had hello bud @ 33/1 ew and state of play @ 16/1 ew...

absolutely delighted, both for myself and Tony McCoy

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posted Apr 10, 2010

state of play saved my day, got me out of jail, that horse has been good to me over the years, pleased for AP.MCCOY glad he has got that monkey off his back

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posted Apr 10, 2010

I am wanting to do my own horse racing league with 10 horses but I need a co-runner just to help out.

Please can someone be the co-runner?

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comment by KOB (U10978128)

posted Apr 10, 2010

really happy for Mccoy totally deserves this and should now be sport person of year

However, the race has now become a total lottery hardlies any of the trends have stood up now for about 4 season it really really hard race to win and total lottery

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posted Apr 10, 2010

coolshark (U10978128)
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You don't mind if you be the co-runner in this horse racing league I am going to do? I need some help sorting out how we are going to the races.:)

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comment by clare (U14304813)

posted Apr 10, 2010

A bit upset that nobody seemed to notice or care that the winner, Don't Push It, was in obvious distress walking back to the enclosure. He should have been attended to more quickly and the interviews could wait.

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comment by larome (U1695540)

posted Apr 10, 2010

a special mention for Richard Johnson, gave Big Fella Thanks an amazing ride too.
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Barry Geraghty was on Big Fella Thanks

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posted Apr 10, 2010

Many congratulations to Tony McCoy, fully deserved.

My thoughts on the race are as follows.

Having Backed Backstage I am obviously gutted as anyone else who followed the horse round would have seen he was having the time of his life when brought down by a loose horse. I was nervous about him not jumping the fences too well but he looked like he wold never fall, and I probably had it coming because was slightly counting my winnings already at that stage! even though it was far too far out to really know.

Aside from that, I have to say that from a betting point of view, as amazing as it sounds when he won, I think that Don't Push it was one of the most wrongly priced horses ever! Should and would have been 33/1 in my view but for the Mccoy factor. anyone else agree?

Also,and againeasy to say in hindsight, The package ran exactly as I would have expected. The fact is, you cant win nationals as an afterthought, the horse not only had to overcome the 7 year old stat, but had also had a very hard race at Cheltenham, and was in no way trained for the race.

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posted Apr 10, 2010

State Of Play saved my day!

Gutted that My Will went out so early on. I thought he was nailed on for a place with a clear rund and at a big price too.

Not a penny on the winner but i have only congratulations for three of the most deserving winners: AP, Jonjo and JP - they deserve every bit of it.

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posted Apr 10, 2010

Clare
not quite sure what you mean about Don't Push It appearing in distress?
i watch many races, and some horses may appear so more than others.
if Mick Fitz said it's nothing necessarily to worry about b4 he set off, and Clare Balding spotted nothin wrong, i don't see a problem - if you know who these racing professionals are, i'm sure they better qualified to judge than me.
also, the horse was rehydrated with water very quickly, and washed down after.
what's the problem?

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comment by And (U1866223)

posted Apr 10, 2010

I love fairytales, and there was plenty of scope for them in this year's race.

But AP winning was a wonderful result for racing as a whole.

JP McManus has poured money into the sport - and comes across as a truly nice guy - he so deserved this.

Jonjo, a massive hero of a sport of heroes deserved it so much too.

When I saw how much the win meant to them all, I cried happy tears, it was so good to see.

How many of you have had the rejoinder when you mention AP as a great sportsman 'Yeah, but he's never won the Grand National, has he?' As if that was the only race that counted? Now he has, and that argument is shot out of the water.

He is the greatest jockey I will see in my lifetime, no question.

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posted Apr 10, 2010

I had Comply or Die and Dream Alliance both Ante-post at 25's and 33's respectively. But i still had a few bets today.
I did Ballyholland EW @ 33's, Cerium EW @ 66's and Flintoff EW @ 50's.

very disappointed at Flintoff's run. Cerium did alright but nothing more. Ballyholland showed up for a good while, didn't get the trip but good try though, Comply or Die didn't run his race, maybe the ground was too lively for him and Dream Alliance, i'm glad he pulled up instead of falling and injuring himself again. Probably the ground and distance found him out.
My thoughts though, and can't believe how much ground State Of Play made up! was just going over Canal fence when the leaders were halfway to Valentines on the 2nd circuit! has to be another solid bet next year, same comment for Snowy Morning and Character Building...

:)

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posted Apr 10, 2010

Added on to previous comment - (and cracking race as well i thought, best result for the winner and i thought it was the best National runners-wise for a while. Great race)

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comment by lemmie (U14387662)

posted Apr 10, 2010

I think Clare was right in that DPI was somewhat distressed directly after the race. He was clearly exhausted and needed some support. However, he responded very well to the buckets of water thrown over him and soon perked up. Some horses just give everything, more than they really should (from a human "common sense" perspective). Let's not forget Exotic Dancer.

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posted Apr 10, 2010

won £48 on don't push it. really happy for AP, the missus had clan royal a few years ago when he was foiled by a loose horse when looking really strong, bet AP thought then he was jinxed!!

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posted Apr 10, 2010

Although I had my money on Dream Alliance to win, Im so pleased for the great guy, Tony McCoy, to win it. He has won every great horse race and now the national. The creme-dela-dreme of horse racing. He deserves all the praise now that he is the best british horse jockey in the country. Lets hear it for AP McCoy!!! Get in there!!! :-)

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posted Apr 10, 2010

He was driven out very hard to win and was exhausted. Compare his state at the finish to Red Rum's third victory (1977) where he finished like a fresh horse. He was quite unique in terms of his condition and finishing power. I am glad for AP and the team.

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comment by Jaxx22 (U14417989)

posted Apr 10, 2010

I just watched the race on the news and am absolutely disgusted and appalled with the whip beating that the horse received. Greatest Jockey - No that should read - handiest with a whip - The only thing that I cried for is the horse that was beaten severely after racing 4 miles over massive jumps - The so called "grand" national should be abolished and jockeys should race with skill rather than "whip".

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posted Apr 11, 2010

Best jump jockey of all time, bar none!

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posted Apr 11, 2010

Just checked the time of the race
9 mins 04.70 secs is fastest National since 1996 and fifth-fastest ever.
Only Mr Frisk, Red Rum (1973), Rough Quest and Royal Athlete have won in a better time, and all were carrying a stone less than Don't Push It was yesterday. A very good performance...
And I didn't think they were going that fast early on!!!

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posted Apr 11, 2010

Looked a solid renewal beforehand and still does so in the aftermath.Horses with course and course/distance form filled majority of the places and the lack of "rags"in the first seven or eight home seem to vindicate the view that this was quite a classy renewal.The 2nd,3rd,4th and 6th are becoming Aintree standing dishes and seem the type who will come back season on season and run their race regardless of what the handicapper does.IMO a solid race that was its usual visually spectacular self and most importantly all came back safe and sound.

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posted Apr 11, 2010

Agree on racingnut's comment that this was a classy renewal but... i just checked the link on the jockey's comments after the race on the beeb's website and i notice that Piraya actually did quite well, despite finishing 20 miles behind the winner.

Quote : Johnny Farrelly (Piraya, 13th): "He jumped fine, but he didn't travel well enough between the fences. It was a brilliant experience

Now to most of you, it may mean nothing but i like this horse a lot and have been following him pretty much since when he came here from France last year. He's generally consistent and was only a 7 year old and the experience should be a help providing he lines up next year, although he's French-bred but he could be of interest next year, in my opinion....

One to look out for...

* i haven't seen the RP yet so if comments in there are similar, then i was unaware of it... *

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comment by Ron (U11298448)

posted Apr 11, 2010

I said this was a class GN and the time of the race, achieved by DPI carrying 11.5, is convincing enough for me. I'm sure that just winning a GN was satisfying enough for AP, but to win what is probably the best contested GN for many a year must be icing on the cake.

I like to watch the race and take something out of the race for the following year. For probably the first time ever I actually didn't see the race this year (and forgot to record it) so I have provisionally taken the following from the race based on the RP results comments in racing.

Vic Venturi (IRE) 25/1 10 11-6 p D T Hughes
With leaders when hampered 1st, prominent when hampered and unseated rider 20th.

Although he'll be 11 next year if he can get in on 7lb less he would be interesting but I would like to see some evidence that he might stay.

Nozic (FR) 40/1 9 11-3 t P F Nicholls
In rear, some headway when hampered and unseated rider 20th (op 66-1)

Don't know how much ground he made up and whether he would have got into contention but with 7lb less next year and 10yo could be of interest.

Backstage (FR) 25/1 8 11-0 Gordon Elliott
Mid-division, headway and in touch when hampered and unseated rider 20th.

Very interesting for next year and should get in with 10.7 or thereabouts if targeted for the race without achieving too much in the meantime.

In addition
John Smith's Topham Chase (Handicap)
Scotsirish (IRE) 14/1 9 11-12 Held up in touch, headway 14th, chasing leaders when mistake 3 out, went 2nd after 2 out, 12 lengths down when mistake last, kept on, no chance with winner (op 16-1).

Beaten 12l but conceding nearly 2 stone to winner. If he can get in with well under 11 stone next year, could be interesting

Iíll also keep my eye on Cerium (maybe they went too fast this year) and Whinstone Boy who didnít get in this year.

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posted Apr 11, 2010

Ron

I couldn't have Vic Venturi again next year: he didn't seem to enjoy it after Eric's Charm hampered him at the 1st, made several mistakes and was some way behind when he fell.
Liam Treadwell thought Nozic didn't take a cut at the fences.
Backstage would certainly be of interest: he was the unlucky horse in the race IMO - hampered by My Will falling in front of him (My Will had got rid of his jockey at the same fence 1st time round).
The problem about next year is if Denman runs, virtually everything else will be running from out of the handicap.

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comment by Ron (U11298448)

posted Apr 11, 2010

Thanks Pollyowls. It wouldn't have taken much persuading to cross off VV, having crossed him off my shortlist for this year. So that's one less. Sounds like Nozic can be forgotten also.

Backstage does appear to be the unlucky runner this year and that often augers well for the following year. Can't see Denman in the GN. If he were mine I certainly wouldn't subject him to it. Just my opinion but if the owner runs him in the GN, he is putting the glory of a possible win over the well being of the horse.

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comment by NeilG42 (U1826671)

posted Apr 11, 2010

I had Don't Push It & Big Fella thanks, was also going to go for Black Apalachi but went for Comply or Die instead :( most important thing aside from a money perspective is that AP finally won it, he now truely is the greatest jump jockey of all time, maybe even the greatest jockey of all time.

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posted Apr 11, 2010

having watched the race back i thought maljimar is the horse to take for next year.seemed to be going well just knucled over.if jockey had taken wider at the fence i think he would have stayed up.i backed niche market myself,who appeared to be travelling well then dropped back quite quickly.itl be interesting to hear opinions of trainer and jockey.

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posted Apr 11, 2010

Jaxx22- I was not impressed either but then AP is always hard on his horses.

Tommy Stack used hands and heels to bring Rummy home but then that horse was in a different league from modern GN winners.

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posted Apr 11, 2010

Next years National winner didnt even run in this seasons renewal,come on down.............. GALANT NUIT

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posted Apr 12, 2010

Re King John's Castle refusing to start, would not be surprised if he had bad memories of his previous National despite finishing second then. He looked very ill at ease and did not want Carberry on board. I nearly backed him too cos he had a good weight.He has no form to speak of now so is he finished?

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