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comment by Mr Red (U10668896)

posted Apr 1, 2010

considering Benfica's impressive recent run and players, 2-1 away isn't a bad result. important away goal and a cracking Anfield atmosphere. ref didn't help us on top of our poor discipline, but Benfica were hardly angels out there.

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posted Apr 1, 2010

have to take my hat off to torres, he's nearly as good at diving as the master himself - gerrard ;)

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posted Apr 1, 2010

This was a good result for Liverpool, in an away game against a Benfica team which are in the best form they've been in the last 20 years.

Add to that a disgraceful referee, Benfica's inability to score other than penalties and Torres's calm, while he was being targetted on rotation for 90' by Benfica players, seeking a second yellow for him and there you are.

I am almost certain it will be a procession in the return leg. In front of the Kop, no referee will act the way this swiss man in black behaved.

With Torres in the team and a 1-0 requirement, Liverpool are expected to cruise through.

Question mark: fatigue levels on Sunday, at Birmingham?
In my opinion, this is the most difficult question on Liverpool, right now.

Good luck.

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posted Apr 1, 2010

why was the ref disgraceful??? babel should have gone and carragher's was a blatant handball. just because u get away with murder at home week in week out, doesn't mean u can abroad...

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comment by Mr Red (U10668896)

posted Apr 1, 2010

well he wasn't good was he?
pens and red correct but he missed a lot more. Torres was kicked all over the place and had a couple of decent pen shouts himself. but then you wouldn't have seen them or at least admit it cos that goes completely against your character.

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posted Apr 1, 2010

keanoheismagic, I don't have the time to write a book. There are that many reasons.

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posted Apr 1, 2010

what do you mean the ref did,nt help us?
i thought he could,ve given benfica four pens and rightly so.in the end liverpool were lucky he only gave two,by the they were clear
pens,i think liverpool have done brilliantly to just lose 2-1.
if liverpoll can keep a clean sheet at anfield
they can advance to the semis.

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posted Apr 1, 2010

If you try a bit harder, the referee should have given 50 penalties to Benfica and show 6 red cards to Liverpool players.

It's too late to reply to nonsense posts, though.

If a man can't see an utterly unfair referee during the match, he will notice it only when his team are in the receiving end, which is a strong indication of hypocricy.

N.B. I happen to support Man Utd.
But this referee was shambolic.

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comment by Mr Red (U10668896)

posted Apr 1, 2010

slingitronny

and what about the hack on Torres that led to Babel seeing red? and the shouts for Torres when he was fouled in the box?

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posted Apr 1, 2010

The English-Football-Damage !!!!

Goodbye !!!!

Greetings from Wolfsburg

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posted Apr 1, 2010

why cant our teams lose with grace?
always blaming the ref even when he is right.
benfica would,ve been robbed if he had,nt given
those pens,infact i saw two more that should,ve been given.
babel rightly sent off,i,ve no complaints there
and it could,ve been worse.
benfica could,ve had a hatful but for bad finishing.lets be grateful that there,s still
enough left in the tie for liverpool to get through,benfica on another day could,ve been out of sight..

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posted Apr 1, 2010

even i can see that torres is a class player - or could be, but look at his body language compared to rooney's - basically it's c**p! every (yes - every) time he's tackled he's moaning to the ref, he's constantly sulking, and the only time he manages a smile is when he scores - me thinks he wants away, can't help thinking he'd love to be at the theatre, and although we all know that's not possible now, i bet he's secretly kicking himself... ;)

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posted Apr 1, 2010

Agger took the ball cleanly. Ref gives free kick. Insua's leg hits the man's legg off the ball but could hardly have been intentional. Carragher clear hand ball but hardly intentional. Babel clearly touching the face to tell him to shut up looked to me like he was trying to stop him from getting sent off - which he ought to have been just for the tackle - but gets himself sent off. All these decisions went against Liverpool. They did lose with grace, but it's only fair to point to these decisions as being highly questionable.

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posted Apr 1, 2010

chasney,yes torres was fouled by luisao and he was booked for it.what more did you want the ref to do? send luisao of for that foul!it was yellow and no more,what you should be asking is,
what was the idiot babel getting involved for,he was,nt fouled as it was torres and torres walked away never raising his hands.sadly idiot babel
did,not once but twice.
why do we insist the refs always give our teams decisions,even when its wrong to do so.
you,d be happy if the refs never give pens against our teams,and give us all the soft ones going.
so amazing,you just could,nt make it up.

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posted Apr 1, 2010

Fantastic Benfica and lets hope they go through to the next round <ok>

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posted Apr 2, 2010

A 2-1 loss isn't too bad, but Liverpool have to keep a clean sheet, which I can't see them doing against a technically better team in Benfica.

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posted Apr 2, 2010

Whether Torres was kicked around or not he was missing last night, when he had opportunities he flufed them and was made look average, even the best have them days. As for Liverpool, I though they were very lucky they could of lost by more, they did not play very well at all.

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posted Apr 2, 2010

Could have been worse, you have an away goal and only have to score at home, I would expect you to progress.

I know lots of wum's will be here, but end of the day you got the same result that we did in germany, and we were not complaining.


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comment by Ekene (U13871024)

posted Apr 2, 2010

In as much as i have my sosa dance round the television eachtime Liverpool lost their game as a United fan,i still reserve some sympathy for them on a night as yesterday.Mr Referee was awful and was completely biassed against Liverpool for all to see.
i wouldnt blame them much for the loss to Benfica as every little decisions went in favour og benfica.am sure liverpool with beat them at Anfield to go through.
best of luck mates,but i saw in papers this morning again for Rafa being molested by Juve,please sell him as i think he is too round to be liverpool captain.

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posted Apr 2, 2010

Why is it that everyone looks to the referee last night? Can no supporter of their own team look to their own players.

i) Luisao fouled Torres pretty badly - was a definite yellow, maybe a red, but I can guarantee if it was a foul by a Liverpool player and he was given a red every fan on here would be critcising the ref saying it should have been a yellow.

ii) Babel deserved his red for pushing Luisao in the face TWICE in front of the refree - sheer stupidity and a deserved red - he should not have been involved! and lets not hear any of this "he was trying to shut up Luisao" - there was too much aggression in his face

iii) Both penalties nailed on - surely even the most unreasonable fan can argue the first one, and yes, maybe Carragher didnt "intend the ball to hit his arm", but he slid in with arms in the air making himself big - so if the ball hits the arm then the intention is there.

iv) there should have been a 3rd penalty when Cardozo was kicked in the SHOULDER!

v) how can you say the ref lost control in the Luisao/Babel incidnet - all the players got needlessly involved - it was they who lost control! the ref stayed calm, watched what was going on, then when things had calmed down, he re-affirmed the yellow (as he had correctly realised Luisao was not paying attention when the first yellow was brandished - that is good refereeing) then he correctly sent Babel off...

Lets stop the HYPOCROSY please - if you can't analyse a game without bias or reason then don't bother at all

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comment by Scott (U9387697)

posted Apr 2, 2010

Sorry guys, I'm a Liverpool fan through & through, always have been & always will be but, we've got to look closer to home & i'm quite dispointed to see so many of our lot blaming the Ref. This is not normal for Liverpool fans & we should leave that to certain onther club's fans (mentioning no names)! Can somebody (and I donlt care Liverpool supporter or none), please xplain to me "like I'm a six year old" why, we would, having given our best display of our season with Stevie G through the middle & Babel supporting Nando up front, against Sunderland at the weekend, would we then revert to bringing Lucas back in the middle which is a system that hasn;t worked for us once this season???? can somebody please, please, please explain that to me? What is the thinking here? I'm sure there's got to be a hundred reasons why Rafa the gaffer changed a winning, and best performing side of our rubbish season, replacing it with one that hasn;t worked at all. There must be a hundred good reasons but right now, I canpt think of one!!!! YNWA ;);)

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comment by Mr Red (U10668896)

posted Apr 2, 2010

comment by slingitronny (U14208710)
posted 12 Hours Ago
chasney,yes torres was fouled by luisao and he was booked for it.what more did you want the ref to do? send luisao of for that foul!it was yellow and no more,what you should be asking is,
what was the idiot babel getting involved for,he was,nt fouled as it was torres and torres walked away never raising his hands.sadly idiot babel
did,not once but twice.
why do we insist the refs always give our teams decisions,even when its wrong to do so.
you,d be happy if the refs never give pens against our teams,and give us all the soft ones going.
so amazing,you just could,nt make it up.
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you have a little trouble reading what i say i see.

i said the pens were right as was the red, but was Luisao's tackle less aggressive than Babels behaviour? and Torres was kicked all night long and had 2 pen shouts.
it's not about being blind in favour of my team, it's about the ref not being balanced in his decisions throughout.
everyone saw the ref was favouring Benfica last night except the few that just use it to have a dig at Liverpool.
rebanitra- you are a perfect case for this when you can't give one incident that went against Liverpool, when anyone with a sound mind could see there were plenty - if you can't analyse a game without bias or reason then don't bother at all

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posted Apr 2, 2010

I agree, gerrard should be playing in the centre where he can orchestrate the play moving forward.
he is not even in good enough form to play in the more difficult role with his back to goal.
getting him on the ball is the best way to get him into form.
Rafas addiction for the Lucas/mash combo is like an alcoholic needing a drink.
It simply does nothing for the team and creates a huge gap between defence and attack, severely blunting Liverpool as an attacking force.
the only consolation to losing 2-1 is that now rafa knows he needs to score, so hopefully the lucas/mash combo can be put to the side for at least one more game.
IMHO that if he trotts that tactic out next week he will be signing his death warrant with the fans.

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posted Apr 2, 2010

The brazilians tackle on Torres was dirty, dangerous, gutless, and cynical, and deserved a yellow card.

The handbags that followed were just that (handbags)
How the ref can interpret babels actions as violent play is beyond belief.
The guilty party was in the face of babel, and he was the agressor both in the foul and afterwards.
babels hand in the face was not violent, not agressive, but simply a "get out of my face gesture"
Nowhere near as aggressive as what you see every week when a player commits a dirty foul and opposing players shove the offender, and rarely even receive worse than a yellow for a far more assertive reaction.

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comment by Scott (U9387697)

posted Apr 2, 2010

comment by barrymanulow (U10637172)
posted 1 Minute Ago

The brazilians tackle on Torres was dirty, dangerous, gutless, and cynical, and deserved a yellow card.

The handbags that followed were just that (handbags)
How the ref can interpret babels actions as violent play is beyond belief.
The guilty party was in the face of babel, and he was the agressor both in the foul and afterwards.
babels hand in the face was not violent, not agressive, but simply a "get out of my face gesture"
Nowhere near as aggressive as what you see every week when a player commits a dirty foul and opposing players shove the offender, and rarely even receive worse than a yellow for a far more assertive reaction.
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I agree with everything you say but, at the end of the day, the only thing you can rely on is yourself & your team mates. We all no about the Ref & the penalties etc etc but, we shouldn;t be using them as excuses as to why we are not doing well. At the end of the day, we once again looked blunt as an attacking force, It's alright coming off giving it "everything went against us" but, once again real threats were few & far between. I agree with you on the Mash/Lucas combo & loved the anallergy of the alcoholic. Rafa has always struck me as someone who is stubborn for stubborn's sake & I just can;t see, barring injuries why you would change a winning & high performing side? we looked like we could score any time we liked against Sunderland, it just beggars belief why you would then go & change that especially, to a system that just plainly hasn;t worked at all this year. I as most Liverpool fans are the last to round on the gaffer but, you can't defend the indefensible. YNWA ;);)

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comment by Mr Red (U10668896)

posted Apr 2, 2010

sjb1909

Rafa had to change as Maxi is cup tied. that said, why couldn't Benny go in instead as a direct change?
it's hard to argue Rafa hasn't used Stevie well for the last 5 years, as shown by his goals return, but it was at a time when we were playing a little better. the fact is now we are not consistently playing well so surely it's a need for round pegs in round holes. Stevie in the middle next to Mash with Benny or whoever up front is better than Lucas next to Mash with Stevie and whoever up front.
i don't think Lucas is that bad, but lately everytime i see his name on the teamsheet i get a little more annoyed with Rafa.
you're right, we don't turn easily on our gaffer, but he is really pressing our buttons.

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comment by Scott (U9387697)

posted Apr 2, 2010

Chasney

I would go for Benny over Lucas any day of the week & twice on Sundays, at least, he can run at defences & make things happen! Please don;t get me wrong, I'm not blaming it all on Lucas at all in fact, I think he is much improved but, if you look when Xabi was still with us you had one forward thinking Midfielder & one Defensive holding midfielder in Masch. What he has tried to do in replacing Xabi is put two defensive midfilders together in the middle of the park & as Barrymanulow says that creates not only a massive gap getting it up to the fron men but, more importantly, it breeds negativity which, is the worse thing. Fine, try it, I have no problem at all with that but, it hasn;t worked for us time after time after time yet, he keeps sticking with it & going back to it at the first opportunity to do so, I therefore blame Rafa more than Lucas if not least because at the end of the day, it's Rafa's responsibility.

On the subject of Maxi, from what I've seen, I don;t think he is going to turn out to be a good buy either, like a lot of Rafa;s signings, just not up to the required standard. I say again, as I say so many times before, where are the players coming through the academy? This I believe is the root of the problem from a playing point of view, we can;t do anything about what's going on in the Boardroom & the morons sat in it but, that doesn;t mean we can;t see something at least productive on the pitch dooes it? YNWA. ;);)

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comment by Mr Red (U10668896)

posted Apr 2, 2010

i suppose that if Benny is on the bench at least we have someone more attacking coming off it if we need to change the game. i'd like to see Pacheco play. it's going to take a massive effort to get 4th and the problem is it's not in our hands. play a few youngsters who apparently have so much promise and give us something to look forward to next season.

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comment by Scott (U9387697)

posted Apr 2, 2010

I really don;t think we can get fourth especially if he keeps sticking with something that clearly doesn't work. I am opposite to what you say on Benny, put him on the pitch first, get the goals then take him off & go all defensive when the game is won or at least, there to be protected. Having said that look how many goals especially let ones we've shipped this season. Insua is a weak link & why on earth you would get rid of a perfectly decent & competent left back like Riise to replace him with one who gets skinned at will is again beyond me. I wouldn;t care if we lost every match and got relegated if we were playing attacking football or at least attempting to play attacking football but this system is just so so negative & is the reason we have conceded late of a match. If you look at the great Liverpool teams they scored the first goal then everyone went home because that was it game over, they just passed the game to death but they were never negative, sitting back on a one goal lead & parking the team bus on the goal line, you just can;t do that in todays game & the results prove that. YNWA

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posted Apr 2, 2010

The ref was absolutely rubbish. He robbed us a lot. For instance we had two clear shouts for penalty that went unanswered. Aimar was tackled on the LIverpool box and Cardozo was hit by a high leg in the shoulder.

It's true that Luisão's tackle on Torres should have been a red card but Babel should have never got involved in violence.

Benfica totally dominated the match and as a Benfica fan I'm very disappointed and angry that we failed to score a few more goals. We attacked a lot, created plenty of chances but as usual our efficiency was rubbish. Cardozo and Di Maria missed easy and crucial chances that would have seen us win by 2 or 3 or even 4 goals. We failed to score a killer goal and to capitalize from playing against 10 men for 2/3 of the match. This inefficiency of ours could come back to haunt us next week. Cardozo and Di Maria must sharpen their boots if we are to score an early goal to put pressure on Liverpool.

Finally, our fans are not violent, don't get into fights and don't have a bad reputation. The missiles that were thrown into the pitch last night in the direction of the ref were something that had never happened before so don't judge us on that alone. I will be at Anfield next week and I'm sure we won't cause any trouble. Hope UEFA take into account the fact we've never been involve din crowd trouble at European competitions and merely fine us (it will definitely be a heavy fine). A match behind closed-doors is likely but as long as they don't award the match to Liverpool with a 3-0 victory then I won't care much about whatever punishment we get.

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posted Apr 2, 2010

I have to say it - the officials were a complete joke last night.

Firstly, to send Babel off for that was laughable - in the premier league, that would have been a yellow card at most or more probably a lecture then on with the game. Insua touched the back of Aimar's leg and he spun round like he'd been shot. Carragher's handball was never intentional and, again, wouldn't have been given here or even at the other end.

We needed a strong set of officials who wouldn't be intimidated by the local support. Unfortunately, we didn't get them. Benfica players were diving all over the place but not one was booked yet Reina gets booked for taking six seconds over a goal kick. Benfica knew that all they had to do was keep falling over and, eventually, they'd get what they wanted.

I would also like to know if UEFA will be investiging one of their officials almost being hurt by a missile from the crowd. They certainly would be investigating a British club.

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posted Apr 2, 2010

Babel had to go! Luisao could've gone.. Agger did enough (with his mouth) to get sent off over the course of the game!

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comment by tugarca (U7634189)

posted Apr 2, 2010

"I would also like to know if UEFA will be investiging one of their officials almost being hurt by a missile from the crowd. They certainly would be investigating a British club."
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You could remark how the whole "crowd" turned against the idiot who did this.

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comment by tugarca (U7634189)

posted Apr 2, 2010

"A lack of discipline may have cost them dear!"
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I agree, Babel was not too clever and it changed the game as he was giving us trouble. Our team usually delivers more than it did and I expect us to rise up to our level at Anfield guys.

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posted Apr 2, 2010

tugarca (U7634189)
posted 6 Minutes Ago

"A lack of discipline may have cost them dear!"
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I agree, Babel was not too clever and it changed the game as he was giving us trouble. Our team usually delivers more than it did and I expect us to rise up to our level at Anfield guys.

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Babel was the main cause of the defeat. His action was not professional in football, but may be okay at the leafs match <doh>

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posted Apr 2, 2010

rebanitra,,you are spot on and echo my earlier post.this happens everytime one of our teams gets beat,it really gets my goat when we fans cant just accept losing.some fans on here are actually blaming the ref for their teams loss,
and i mean teams loss.
the ref actually helped liverpool because he would,ve been right to give benfica another two
pens.that would have taken liverpool out for me,2-1 is an awful lot
better than 4-1 dont you think,liverpool fans?
we are getting such a bad name for being really
bad losers,can you imagine if those pens were for liverpool and it was a benfica player
sent off,there would,nt be a word said about it.
the nonsense i,ve heard
about babel just trying to shut up luisao is ridiculous i did,nt know players went on the pitch trying to shut up opponents.

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