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Morgan for the Bangladesh Tests

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posted Feb 19, 2010

No doubt he looks to me promising option...sure he deserve a chance in test squad <ok> but please don't get carried away with his 20-20 or 50-50 performances !! there are loads of examples where a player emerges as solid player to begin with in early career of T20 or 50-50 but Test match needs different class... Yuvraj singh is best example superstar in T20 and 50-50 but average Test player !!

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posted Feb 19, 2010

I think Michael Carrberry is ahead of him in the pecking order, and possibly a couple of others. He's certainly a talented player, though. He'll play Test cricket one day.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

I'd like to see Carberry opening with Cook, but why not try and fit Morgan into the middle order?

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comment by Jack S (U14142338)

posted Feb 19, 2010

I agree. I'd like to see Morgan play in all forms.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

Caberry for test opener - You are joking arrn't you?

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posted Feb 19, 2010

Morgan can certainly bat in the shorter-forms of the game where shot-making is more important than concentration and technique. If he does have a chance of playing test cricket, he should bat at number 6 instead of Ian Bell and not in a higher batting position. Morgan is to the current England squad what Neil Fairbrother was to England back in the late to early 1990's.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

Superb innings he played today but if you're going to put him in the Test side, who are you going to drop? He's not an opener so Strauss, Cook and probably Trott's places are safe. I doubt you're thinking of him as a replacement for KP at the moment. You can't drop Colly with the form he's in over the last few months (though today was not his best). Morgan's not a wicket-keeper so you're not going to drop Prior. Which means you've got to sacrifice one of your bowlers which doesn't seem sensible.

It's great that we've got somebody like Morgan that we can fall back on but for the moment the team we've got are working well enough so why not keep them that way?

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comment by Sufghan (U6796177)

posted Feb 19, 2010

Morgan should be given a chance in Test Cricket.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

Graham Thorpe + Sachin Tendulkar = Eoin Morgan.

Definitely the greatest T20I player of all time. Only 23 years of age as well! World class!

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comment by hodge (U14334513)

posted Feb 19, 2010

I also think that Morgan has definitly proved that he deserves his chance at test cricket, at whose expense i am unsure though, anyways the upcoming tour to Bangladesh has already had its squad announced so the earliest Morgan would be playing test cricket would be the home test series against Bangladesh.

Just what i believe the ECB will do, i believe Prior will be rested for the 2nd test series so that he has time off in preperation for the Ashes as well that winter. But i believe the ECB will rush Kieswetter into the test team reason being to rest Prior and to play Kieswetter against one of the weakest test teams there is. Not what i want simply what i believe the selectors will do.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

Morgan has a distinctively average domestic record, both in FC and limited-overs cricket. This could suggest either that:

a) he is currently punching above his weight

or

b) he has improved as a player drastically in the last few months

The next few months should give us a better idea of which applies.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

Morgan played really well, but lets not forget the contribution of Pietersen. He's playing himself back in while reigning in his instincts for the good of the team. Everyone who said he should dropped, hang your heads in shame! Openers still have a question mark though...

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comment by nibs (U13128545)

posted Feb 19, 2010


Morgan and Pietersen aren't English.



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posted Feb 19, 2010

Twenty-20 isn't Test cricket. Morgan has said himself he is not ready for Test cricket. I think an average of 24 at County level will not propel him into the Test side. If he averages 50-60 in the coming championship season it will be a different story.

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comment by Gezza (U14146736)

posted Feb 19, 2010

Definitely agree with those who say he's not ready.
A disappointing season at county level last year where he showed alack of discpline and poor shot selection demonstrate he's got plenty of more work to do before he puts himself into contention.
Certainly an exciting young talent,but not ready for the Teat arena yet and he'll not be coming under consideration in the immediate future,and this is from arabid Middlesex supporter.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

Morgan has a distinctively average domestic record, both in FC and limited-overs cricket. This could suggest either that: a) he is currently punching above his weight
or b) he has improved as a player drastically in the last few months
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Or c that he's one of those players (Vaughan and Trescothick being other examples) who just seem to have that extra gear and just play better the bigger the occasion.

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comment by Medlaw (U14001042)

posted Feb 19, 2010

Swansong - did you just compare Eoin Morgan to Sachin Tendulkar?!?!? Where do I even start.....

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comment by Chasjs (U4517641)

posted Feb 19, 2010

He's had a poor FC record in Division 2 and he'll have to prove himself their before he should be considered ahead of players like Bell and Trott.

Also, with respect to Bangladesh, their wouldn't be much point. Most County Championship batsmen could get runs against Bangladesh and it wouldn't give you a proper read on how he'll fare against Test sides like Pakistan and Australis who we face later on in the summer.

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comment by Paul (U11249569)

posted Feb 19, 2010

Haha, two great "english" players!

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posted Feb 19, 2010

Morgan, Pietersen, Trott, Kieswetter.... England's youth policy seems to resemble Arsene Wengers' ;)

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posted Feb 19, 2010

"Morgan has a distinctively average domestic record, both in FC and limited-overs cricket"

Morgan averages 36.54 in domestic FC cricket which is perfectly acceptable. He also averages 36.28 in List A cricket which is very impressive. You ought to check your facts before writing posts here!

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posted Feb 19, 2010

i dont think he should be considered for test selection at all! he is a young, dynamic player in one day/T20 format but he has not produced in domestic cricket yet for middlesex.
there are players ahead of him such as carberry, bopara etc.

i feel that morgan needs to focus on the shorter form of the game where he is one of the uprising stars in the game. he is still learning his trade and should not be touted as a current test prospect!

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posted Feb 19, 2010

Couldn't agree more,have been saying so for months,he has all the shots,don't worry about averages just watch him play.He's outshone the "great"KP today,the boy's a genius,get him in the test side.No better time to see what he can do.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

Very true Malc!

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posted Feb 19, 2010

"Morgan averages 36.54 in domestic FC cricket which is perfectly acceptable. He also averages 36.28 in List A cricket which is very impressive. You ought to check your facts before writing posts here!"

36.54 in the second division is NOT a reasonable average for a potentially international batsman. Apologies about the List A average though, I know he has a very good List A average and that was meant to just read "Twenty20 average". I am not knocking the player in any way - these figures show that he is improving fast. In Twenty20s he averages only around 20, which is remarkable given his performances for England.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

I aint saying Morgan is ready for tests but the likes of David Gower did not bully county bowlers unlike Hick for example and Gower is one of the best English batsmen of all time. You cannot always judge a player on county performances as some players rise to the occasion and produce when it really matters. I am quite sure Trescothick when first picked for England also didn't have the greatest county record, selectors must trust there instinct and not only pick players at the top of the county averages.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

Morgan has put in solid one day performances, and today shows he can perform well.

Assuming he does not fluff it up in the 2nd T20, they should try him out in the 1st Bangladesh test.

He may not have what it takes, yet or ever, BUT he needs to be given a chance and Bangladesh is the perfect opportunity as one batsman is unlikely to lose the test match, better against them than the likes of India or Australia!

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comment by longoff (U8450321)

posted Feb 19, 2010

Nice one, Paul. Never heard that one before. Half the Irish cricket team aren't Irish either. Last game I saw them play their captain was a guy called Bruce from Wollomeroo. Presumably that isn't Wollomeroo in Antrim. And let's not start on the team that Jack built from every Scouser with a mythical Irish granny.
Stick to what you know - which isn't much and it certainly isn't cricket.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

"Morgan has a distinctively average domestic record, both in FC and limited-overs cricket"

Oh so you are only interested in division 2 averages! You should have said so!

In which case, Morgan averages 40.92!

That better?

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posted Feb 19, 2010

Genesis= "Oh so you are only interested in division 2 averages! You should have said so!In which case, Morgan averages 40.92!That better?"

Someone reached for the Wisden! Well done that man!

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comment by Kapnag (U11006724)

posted Feb 19, 2010

Yuvraj has all the shots as well, but he has not been so successful at tests so far.

Morgan will have some way to go yet before he is in the test side, but these innings are the way to go about making a statement that you belong on the international scene.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

So an Irishman and a South African win the match for England. Good to see English grassroots cricket is really working in the batting department.

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comment by longoff (U8450321)

posted Feb 19, 2010

Sam we support the same team but what makes you think we're interested in the thoughts of someone who places cricket outside their top 5 sports - below badminton.
Frankly, if you're not that bothered no-one's that bothered about you.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

Sorry Sam Cullen but two England players won the game for England. What would people have KP do to prove how much he loves playing for England. Kill three lions with his bare hands or go through some kind of Krypton Factor style test perhaps? The man averages close to fifty in tests for England thats good enough for me.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

Ireland are going to have a tidy team when test status comes around, would you all agree?

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comment by longoff (U8450321)

posted Feb 19, 2010

Only if they find some Irishmen.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

But they have, you must not interested in world cricket, my apologies

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posted Feb 19, 2010

longoff must be listening to too much sky sports drivel regarding Irelands "foreign" policy.....pot and kettle come to mind. Dont know what Bruce you are talking about though, perhaps your getting confused with all the Bruces on the English side??

anyway, well done moggie, great knock, keep it up!!

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posted Feb 19, 2010

<donut>

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comment by Matt H (U10920205)

posted Feb 19, 2010

I don't think he's ready. He's young and relies on innovative batting. His county stats don't suggest that his batting in the longer format isn't solid enough yet. Watching him play, he also nicks it a lot which is fine in T20s/ODIs because there are no slips.

But he certainly has the temperament, and I won't be surprised to see him in the side come 2011 or 2012.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

On this performance, Pakistan would seem to be the perfect place?

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comment by longoff (U8450321)

posted Feb 19, 2010

Fingal raven, I must be confused there Is= was thinking of Bruce form Wolemroo and it was Paul, Mick and all the rest from Liverpool and Preston and Manchester and the Italian one. Don't forget the Italian one.
Watch Sky Sports, don't listen - don't like Murdoch, read the Guardian instead taught me to distrust chippiness.

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posted Feb 20, 2010

below badminton <laugh>

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comment by adak (U14347343)

posted Feb 20, 2010

Surprising that none of the English fans aren't talking about a weakened Pakistani team now like when Australia wins - what a bunch of unrealistic hypocrites. It is clear anything that is not..... is never good enough!

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posted Feb 20, 2010

"Morgan's not a wicket-keeper so you're not going to drop Prior."

Actually according to the cricinfo website Morgan has done some wicketkeeping before so does have experience of keeping in a county match at a first-class level. I would like England to try out playing Morgan as a wicketkeeper in the number 6 batting position instead of Matt Prior V one of the weaker test nations such as Bangladesh to see how he gets on. Who knows by playing Morgan as a keeper batting at number 6, he could well turn out to be England's answer to Adam Gilchrist.

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comment by Matt H (U10920205)

posted Feb 20, 2010

You would play an "occasional" wicketkeeper (which means he has played a couple of games) regularly in an international match?

Catches win matches. Morgan is not a wicket-keeper - he would struggle up to the stumps and with diving catches. Simply put, he would lose us matches.

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posted Feb 20, 2010

"You would play an "occasional" wicketkeeper (which means he has played a couple of games) regularly in an international match?

Catches win matches. Morgan is not a wicket-keeper - he would struggle up to the stumps and with diving catches. Simply put, he would lose us matches. "

But with regular practice behind the stumps he will get better at it. Look at Alec Stewart,when he started his career around 1985 he was not a wicketkeeper but just an batsman. However once he got a chance of being the wicketkeeper, he wasn't very good at first but with practice he improved to an extent that by the time he finished playing for England in 2003 he was very solid in the wicketkeeping discipline which is good enough at test match level.

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comment by Gezza (U14146736)

posted Feb 20, 2010

Mr Nutty excels himself with his latest daft theories.
Let's chuck out Prior,and disregard the capabilities of several other wicketkeeper/batsmen in contention for a Test place,and play a bloke who's not a wicketkeeper at all but has kept a few times in an emergency,and besides has not proven by a long way he's good enough batsman to play Tests just in the off chance he may turn out to be a world beater.
I've read some rubbish on here,but Nutty yours is the best yet,or are you just trying to wind us all up?

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posted Feb 20, 2010

A lot of you appear to live in some sort of twilight world that does not take into account actual facts.

FACT 1 - a Test squad has been named that does not include Morgan. So that ends that debate.

FACT 2 - Carberry IS named in the squad, and is the only specialist opener besides Cook in it.

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comment by Matt H (U10920205)

posted Feb 20, 2010

That's rubbish.

Stewart was always a keeper. He just didn't play as a keeper for England in the early stages of his career because he wasn't as good as Russell. He improved a lot, but he already had a decent base, whereas Morgan doesn't have a base at all.

You are suggesting that Morgan learns to keep whilst playing international matches. That is ridiculous. If he wants to learn, he should learn at Middlesex, not for England.

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