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Match Play (actually about Match Play)

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posted Feb 18, 2010

I do not think that at this level, can you just pick a player because of his matchplay record, I would imagine, they would be looking at who is making most birdie's and how well they can play under pressure.

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comment by Tano (U13770795)

posted Feb 18, 2010

Monty did say he'd be looking out for those who come from behind to win. Good news for McIlroy, Poulter etc

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comment by JAS (U1741944)

posted Feb 18, 2010

But don't you think Matchplay pressure is a different kind of pressure from strokeplay pressure opw?

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posted Feb 18, 2010

I think at our level then matchplay pressure is a big factor, but at the level that they play at, they just try to birdie every hole, and you can see them being more agressive on putting

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comment by JAS (U1741944)

posted Feb 18, 2010

Fair enough opw although it would be interesting to hear the views of LW1 & Midgetmac on this one.

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comment by Lairdy (U2728317)

posted Feb 19, 2010

Does anyone else think Monty (and Pavin for that matter) should be watching the likes of this event a lot more closely than some of the lesser strokeplay events on Tour?
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Um... yes. <doh>

Infact, is there a case for awarding bonus Ryder Cup points for MatchPlay victories?
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These events contribute towards rankings plus Im sure Monty will use previous matchplay form when considering his 3 wild cards. He did have his wildcard picks increased by one so you can say, in a roundabout way, there is more scope for 'bonus' rewards in matchplay events.

Is there also a case for a couple of extra Matchplay events in Ryder Cup Years to better assess the true Matchplayers?
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We've already had the Seve, World Cup and The Royal Trophy recently.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

The Ryder Cup already gets more focus than it deserves without setting up other tournaments just for it.

The other thing is that only one day of the Ryder Cup is about singles match play yet this is what any other matchplay event is about. Captain's are always on about finding a good blend of players for the partnerships in the Ryder Cup and i'm not sure just how much more matchplay helps for this.

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comment by Diggers (U2300584)

posted Feb 19, 2010

The Ryder Cup selections should be a result of the seasons performances, you shouldnt gear a season because of a Ryder Cup.
Talk about over hyped, I could bear it if the constant talk was at least around the event but no, it has to go on all season. I bet you dont get this kind of constant running update on American golf forums.
I have decided after thinking about it Im definitely hoping for an American win, Monty is probably my least favourite sportsman ever, he would certainly make top 5 anyway, so its a no brainer for me.
Always liked Corey Pavin and his scrappy attitude so COME ON USA !!!!!!!


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posted Feb 19, 2010

"Always liked Corey Pavin and his scrappy attitude so COME ON USA !!!!!!!"

For those of you interested in where this comes from Diggers has been attending my classes on how to alienate a group of golfers on a message board.

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comment by Diggers (U2300584)

posted Feb 19, 2010

I will never aspire to yours and Supers heights LJ.
Actually Im serious,I have said many times on here the whole Team Europe thing is an utter nonsense to me as far as any sporting allegiance is concerned. Id 100% be pulling for Stricker to beat Garcia for instance.
I mean look at the arguments over who gets to claim McIlroy as theirs, we cant even agree on what constitues a United Kingdon let alone Europe, its utter tosh.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

True. In fact I'm constantly against the whole Europe thing.

Although the UK is very clearly defined in my mind. It's England, Scotland, Wales and NI.

Incidentally... Don't sell yourself short Digs! You too can reach the fabled peaks of alienation that I inhabit ;-)

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comment by Diggers (U2300584)

posted Feb 19, 2010

I might have a crack at it today I think. Im feeling in that kind of mood....<devil>

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posted Feb 19, 2010

Start by having a pop at the Irish. That one gets all sorts of fans.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

Diggers, why would you prefer Stricker to beat Garcia?

European or not, I've always loved Sergio. I remember him playing the final few holes on Saturday, not Sunday, at Carnoustie and he was just so classy and exciting to watch. I really believe that if he had holed that putt to win on the Sunday he'd have 3 majors by now.

I hope he doesn't become a "greatest player never to have won a major" contender.

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comment by Diggers (U2300584)

posted Feb 19, 2010

I like Stricker and as a rule I think I have more in common with Americans than Spaniards.
But really Ive never bought into the whole Garcia thing, even his enthusiastic bounding along the fairway like a puppy when he was playing Tiger back in the day left me cold.
People talk about bland Tiger interviews, well for me you get the same with Garcia, I just see him as dull really.
Sorry.

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comment by clive (U14336293)

posted Feb 19, 2010

Lefty26 If he'd holed that putt at Carnoustie Garcia would have won 3 majors. What absolute nonsense. Can't putt, has never been able to putt, will never be able to putt until he admits he can't. He can get streaky occasionally but his technique is always so bad that particularly under pressure he cracks. Sad truth is whether we like it or not if you can't putt brilliantly you'll never win a major. This will be controversial on these boards but should Lee (who I'd dearly love to win a major) work harder on his putting? Missed a putt to tie Tiger and Mediate at the US Open, 3 putted the last at Turnberry to lose The Open to Cink.

On small margins are the majors won and lost and I've been saying for years I don;t see Sergio ever winning one I'm afraid.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

Clive - I couldn;t agree more with you, i've said the same thing about Rory McIlroy and been lambasted for it....Westwood is the same, as good as if not better than anyone tee - green, i actually think its a European wide thing, because aside from Harrington and possibly Kaymer and Poulter, the others don;t putt well enough.

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comment by Tano (U13770795)

posted Feb 19, 2010

Can't putt, has never been able to putt, will never be able to putt until he admits he can't.
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So if Sergio admits he can't putt, he'll start holing more putts???

I accepted I was a terrible putter a long time ago and nothing has changed since...

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comment by Lairdy (U2728317)

posted Feb 19, 2010

Its like they said on the coverage the other night. He has to give this current putter some decent time. He switches putters too often.

I still maintain that he isnt as bad at putting as most would have it. He just gives himself more looks at birdie than most and when he doesnt make one or two it becomes a mental problem. He's also one of the best out of bunkers and has a very good short game - I would think he gives himself a shot at par more than others would also. If he accepts this and sticks with a putter for at least a season then he'd improve IMO.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

I think the main difference between matchplay and strokeplay at our level is this:

In strokeplay, you are under a different type of pressure because you have no idea what sort of score you need to shoot to win. In matchplay however, you can see exactly what has to be done to win.

I think this creates a different type of pressure.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

Thanks Clive for that.

Garcia is a confidence player, no doubt about it. Remember how good he was in those Ryder Cups with Parnevik, when he was a crazy, cocky kid?

Unfortunately his head can go down too quickly and he loses his confidence.

Putting is all about confidence - I just think that had that putt rolled in, rather than rolled over the lip, Garcia would have been completely pumped up and would have taken a lot of heart from it, and gone on to win some more majors.

Anyway it's all hypothetical - I said that originally, so no need to get all high and mghty about how "wrong" I am.

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posted Feb 19, 2010

I would love to see some more matchplay . I would also like to see some doubles matches.

Stroke play event after stroke play event can get a bit boring . Most of the matches we play at our clubs are all pairs matches so why can't we throw in a couple of weeks of pairs competition . It would be great for the players to feel part of a team and good fun to watch . I enjoyed the Wordlcup this year but I would allow any pair to pair up .

Day one - better ball
Day two - fousome
Day three - two ball scramble ( 9 drives each)
Day four - better ball ( birdie fest finish)

I just think it would be nice to see some different events .

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