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The fine is a wrong!!!!

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posted Feb 18, 2010

I totally agree! If they fine wolves then they should fine arsenal every time they do it in the carling cup!

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posted Feb 18, 2010

typical FA ,one rule for the sky 4 and another for everyone else.

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posted Feb 18, 2010

Well, what a dangerous precendent to set!

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comment by Gloss (U3504059)

posted Feb 18, 2010

A shocking decision, bluenose has taken the words out of my mouth

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posted Feb 18, 2010

I agree this is a ridiculous fine, and as Southern Wolf has said, sets a very dangerous precedent. So now, if any team rests any of their first team players, will they get a fine?

Probably not if they only rest one, but where is the cut off point on how many players it is 'acceptable' to rest?

Joke decision.

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posted Feb 18, 2010

Mick McCarthy will have blood shooting out is ears!

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posted Feb 18, 2010

They only fined us 25k, and suspended at that - because they know that if they'd REALLY punished us we would have appealed or challenged it legally, and then the weakness and hypocrisy of their position would have been exposed for all to see.

The big test is the next time anyone does something similar, will the league act? Particularly if it's one of the 'big' clubs....

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posted Feb 18, 2010

It's appalling. I just hope they've got the spine to uphold it against the big teams, rather than pretending to flex their muscles against a smaller team.

Where does it end? Ultimately you're not fielding your best team if you just make one change. So if Rooney, Torres, Drogba et al ever get rested for a match, then this should surely be the precedent for a suspended 25k fine. Somehow I don't think that will happen... Incompetence of the highest order.

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posted Feb 18, 2010

I hope next time one of the big 4 rest one or 2 of their players against 'lesser opposition' when a big game is coming up they get fined too!

You can't fine a club for utilising their squad, the big 4 do it all the time; just because they are lucky and rich enough to have quality throughout doesn't mean they shouldn't field their strongest 11 in every PL game (according to this ruling anyway). So from here on out the FA should fine the club every time Drogba/Rooney/Lampard/Gerrard/Fabregas don't play but aren't injured.

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posted Feb 18, 2010

due to his poor form; if MM fields SEB; could the FA fine wolves again for fielding a weakened team

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posted Feb 18, 2010

It does seem as though it's just a token gesture.

I imagine if it was a tough fine or points off then Wolves could take it to court and the whole size and function of clubs squads could be brought into question.

+ has been said already Wolves could jusifiably point out when other's have done the same without censor.

Having said that i hope we just accept what they have done and let it rest.

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posted Feb 18, 2010

I wonder if Chelsea will rest any players against us this Saturday? I hope so.... laugh

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posted Feb 18, 2010

Hey, go easy on us Big 4 guys - we all agree with you on this, it's a shocking decision. Effectively, there is no point you having a first team squad cos apparently you're not allowed to play them. Maybe the FA should pick your team for this weekends game, seeing as MM isn't allowed to? And a previous poster is right - you only lost 3-0 at OT. Other teams have and will lose by far more than that this season. PS You couldn't play the same team when you come to the Emirates could you? winkeye

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posted Feb 18, 2010

....and Hackney, the club's said that this is exactly what they're doing: accepting the punishment and moving on.

http://www.wolves.co.uk/page/News/0,,10307~1969355,00.html

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posted Feb 18, 2010

"PS You couldn't play the same team when you come to the Emirates could you"

As long as you play Fabianski winkeye

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comment by Nick M (U9630749)

posted Feb 18, 2010

If my memory serves me correctly Man U rested their entire starting line up for the Champions League final and played a mix of youth and reserves for their final league game of last season against Hull. Just because they have more strength in depth than Wolves and won that game it shouldn't mean that they shouldn't have been fined. It's the manager's decision to field the team he sees as suitable, I find this fine ridiculous.

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posted Feb 18, 2010

This is a really dangerous presidence being set by the FA because it now means that the FA should surely intervene in the future against other clubs doing the same. It's a shame to make an example of Wolves.

Not wanting to single out Liverpool, I seem to remember them fielding a weakened team at Fulham a couple of seasons ago and Fulham ended up winning which helped them stay up. if the FA refused to intervene then, well it strikes me as being rather unfair. Perhaps it's them trying to make an example to stop the worrying trend.

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comment by spiritualwolf (U1953527)
posted 2 Minutes Ago

I wonder if Chelsea will rest any players against us this Saturday? I hope so....

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Considering we didn't against Cardiff, and we can barely pick a point up away from home at the moment, I surely doubt it. I'm genuinely worried about the game on Saturday, but I bet that's mainly because I'm going.

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posted Feb 18, 2010

Even though it's not that much, and it is suspended, I would still like to see us appeal. Financially, we stand to gain nothing. Even if we do it again and they enforce the suspension, it's still only the equivilent of Kevin Doyles weekly wage.

But I think there is a moral objection here. There are cases of other teams fielding weakened teams for their own personal agendas. Why are Wolves being made an example of?

I totally agree that the punishment has been set at such a level that it won't be challenged for very good reasons. And it is those reasons that I would like to see challenged.

Precedents have been set that need explanation.

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posted Feb 18, 2010

If we ran up 600m debt to finance our squad, then maybe our whole would be strong enough to beat Man Unt away.

I would love to know what action the FA would have taken if we had not have lost that game ??

It all totally stinks of hypocrisy, and the FA is opening itself to icreasing ridicule about how it deals with the Sky 4, in contrast to the 'lesser clubs'

Who the hell are they to tell a manager which team to pick anyway?

I sooo hope we get something against those cockernees on saturday and Man unt.. I would LOVE IT.. JUST LOVE IT

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posted Feb 18, 2010

That's good to see Spiritual.

As you've posted on a similar thread(suprised by the amount of support from outside Wolves we're getting btw,especially considering the vilification we got when it occured)we need to concentrate fully on staying up and not get sidetracked by preceived injustice's,justified or not.

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posted Feb 18, 2010

Couldn't agree more; this fine is an absolute scandal. Who the hell are the are the FA to tell Mick Mcarthy what team he should pick? All the players were elligible to play by the FA's rules, and therefore they have absolutely no right to infringe upon his position, as a manager, to be able to pick his team as he sees fit.

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comment by Jak (U14113966)

posted Feb 18, 2010

So the FA will proceed to fine Arsenal for the numerous times they've disrespected the Cup competitions by fielding teams of 16 year olds will they??

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posted Feb 18, 2010

i think the main point is that it gave man utd a 'rest', playing against wolves reserves was unquestionably welcomed by alex ferguson.

i'm sure it has very little to do with wolves, that is mick's business.

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posted Feb 18, 2010

While I don't agree with what MM did at Man U, I think it is unfair that we have been fined (suspended) while there are other clubs that have done the same.

The facts are that we did play a weakened team in a game that the first team could have got something out of, but that is a debate for Wolves fans.

The rules however say that clubs cannot play weakened team so baring injury or suspension the likes of Rooney, Lampard, Drogba, Fab, Gerrard, Torres should never miss a game. To implement the rule clubs must be fined for resting 1 or 11, the rules don't say its okay to rest 5 but not 10.

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posted Feb 18, 2010

I suggest rather than getting sidetracked, we use it as an incentive to stick it to the next 2 two teams we meeet at home, although they will still have the ref on their side winkeye

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posted Feb 18, 2010

mduchezeau, I was joking about the weakened side really...

....but I'm sure you need Drogba to be well rested before taking on Mourinho's Inter, don't you? laugh

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posted Feb 18, 2010

The fine's a joke surely! An early Arpil fool prank...

The Manager has the say on team selection NOT the FA.

It will be interesting to see what happens when they fine the Big 4 for squad rotation and weakened teams for comps like the Carling Cup (not).

Very hard to stomach - UTW!

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posted Feb 18, 2010

I hope we do Cordon!oklaugh

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posted Feb 18, 2010

even as a gooner was severely annoyed at wolves for fielding the weakened team this fine is completely out of the line and unfair! They really should appeal to this

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posted Feb 18, 2010

Its absolutely ludicrous.

Correct, they should fine Arsenal for fielding a weakened team in the carling cup? Or is that not classed as "weakened" because it is still pretty decent.

Whose to say that Wolves's team was "weaker" anyway? Thats some big wigs at the FA voicing their opinions on which is the better 11!

I didn't even know there was a rule against playing a weakened team. Football is a squad game - the FA really is useless. What a shambles

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posted Feb 18, 2010

It is a joke and fuelled by the mock outrage in the media. There were 5 full and 3 U21 internationals in that team and yet people moaned as if we had sent 11 18-year old youth players out there.

The other point is who decides if a team is weakened? The manager, the Premier league or Talk Sport? you ask 100 wolves fans what should be our starting 11 you will get 20 odd different teams. Is it going to be the case from now on that the team you play in the first game of the season is your 'strongest' team and any deviation from that will be hit with a fine?

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posted Feb 18, 2010

Wolves have done the right thing by swallowing the medicine.. we could I suspect of wiped the floor with the dirty rag that is the FA over this, but we can sit back and cough politely when on of the 'big boys' dares to rest a few 'regulars'.

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posted Feb 18, 2010

As Mick is allowed to be 100% in charge of team selection, should this fine not come out of his wages??


I dont agree with the 'rules' but he knowingly and deliberately broke them after all...

If I told the bosses at my law firm that I was going to deliberately miss a deadline for filing a debenture with COmpanies House, I'd not be surprised if they turned around and told me to cover the court fees for putting the situation right!

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posted Feb 18, 2010

Its a completely wrong judgement. I wasn't fully in favour of the team selection when it happened, but newly promoted teams have to find a way to survive, and if thats resting key players for more winnable games, then so be it. The reason I'm not a fan of this is because it means a much less chance of an upset.

But the Fine's wrong, the top teams, United for example, going to get fined for fielding a weak team in the FA Cup? No, of course not. Another example of the FA charging smaller teams and not the bigger clubs with a larger fanbase. Cowardice.

I hope this gets rescinded, very poor decision.

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comment by Kapnag (U11006724)

posted Feb 18, 2010

How many players is a manager allowed to rest before he risks FA punishment? Will the FA confirm this? Probably not! It doesn't work well with their "make it up as we go along" mentality.

This fine is a joke, much like all of their decisions - when was the last time they did something that positively influenced the game in this country?

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posted Feb 18, 2010

It actually astonishes me how the FA, time and time again, whenever they have a big decision to make, UNFAILINGLY make the exact wrong decision, every single time.

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posted Feb 18, 2010

The whole thing seems to be rubbish.

Who is to decide, and by what criteria, what is a strongest 11?

Does the rule apply whether the 'weakened' team win or lose?

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posted Feb 18, 2010

this was my post on the team back in December

Having Been at the game & reflected on it, the team was not as bad as made out

Hahnemam - 1st Choice
Zubar - would have been 1st choice RB in some eyes, was injured previous to game.
Mancienne - bought exactly to do what he did. Had a cracking game and suited defending against rooney as opposed to Berra or Craddock
Elokobi 1st choice LB - played Centre Half - so can dispute his choice
Matt Hill - no arguements 3rd Choice LB
Halford - could be playing Sunday as lot of Right sided midfielders injured - open to debate
Castillo - would have planned to Include if playing defensive minded -
Foley - one of best players at Wolves - no arguements whenever in Team
Friend - Shouldn't have played
Surman played at Chelsea tactical reasons? Similar to Castillo
Maierhoff - If we had somebody alongside him such as Doyle we wouldn't have debated.

So really only 3 or 4 players could realistically be questioned to their inclusion, some may have played for tactical reasons anyway

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posted Feb 18, 2010

Complete joke like most decisions which seem to come down now!!!!

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comment by deleted (U3765986)

posted Feb 18, 2010

Lets hope they are consistent and fine England and the big 4 when players are 'injured' before a friendly or before/after European games.

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posted Feb 18, 2010

The big fours team selection for lesser games such as carling and fa cup games can be justified because those reserve teams are still pretty good. You simply can't put a reserves team against a full man united team, that was stupid and he gave them the easiest 3 pts I have ever seen. Wenger can defend putting a younger team on BECAUSE he adds experience as well - Silvestre, Eboue, Song, Campbell are examples of players used.

This fine is justified

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posted Feb 18, 2010

Stinks of one rule for the big 4 and one rule for the rest!
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Totally agree, what hypocrisy and outrage. Mick McCarthy is entitled to field the U16 youth team if he likes...

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posted Feb 18, 2010

I disagreed with McCarthy's decision at the time and I still do. To be punished for doing what all other teams do a handful of times a season is disgraceful.

Good job you lost that game. Imagine the punishment from the FA if you'd had the temerity to win!

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posted Feb 18, 2010

thehandofhenry

The big fours team selection for lesser games such as carling and fa cup games can be justified because those reserve teams are still pretty good. You simply can't put a reserves team against a full man united team, that was stupid and he gave them the easiest 3 pts I have ever seen. Wenger can defend putting a younger team on BECAUSE he adds experience as well - Silvestre, Eboue, Song, Campbell are examples of players used.

This fine is justified
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That's ridiculous. It follows that a 'full strength' Wolves team is not as good as some of the top teams.

Fine the club for not trying hard enough perhaps?

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comment by av it (U10690115)

posted Feb 18, 2010

The fine is a nonsense, every manager should have the right to pick who they want.

As usual another inconsistent decision handed down by the numpties at the FA.

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comment by panese (U8744667)

posted Feb 18, 2010

Re: thehandofhenry

But that is still not Arsenal's strongest team regardless of the experience still in there and regardless of how good they are.

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posted Feb 18, 2010

Forget the FA cup, Man Utd team vs Hull May 2009:

Kuszczak

Rafael Da Silva, Neville, Brown, de Laet (Possebon ,79 )
Nani, Fletcher, Gibson, Welbeck (Tosic ,87 ),
Martin, Macheda

Horrific.

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posted Feb 18, 2010

It'll be interesting to see Chelsea's team against us this weekend. I'm assuming if they rest players so they are fresh for their CL game, they will receive a fine also

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posted Feb 18, 2010

Disgraceful decision. Surely the point of a squad is so that you can pick whoever you like whenever you want.

I expect to see further fines for weakened teams in the Carling Cup and FA Cup in the future, as well as for those who field weakened teams towards the end of the season to protect players for champs league or whatever.

Didn't Liverpool field a weakened side a few years back which (if you believe Neil Warnock) caused Sheff Utd to get relegated?

Ridiculous

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posted Feb 18, 2010

its stupid, since when was there a rule stating what was and wasnt your best team. bigger clubs rest players so why cant smaller clubs, if you played your best team every game;
a)the players would get tired.
b)all the subs and reserves would get fed up of being on the bench

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