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comment by Galahad (U1645165)

posted Dec 15, 2009

I've got a lot of time for Glock and he should assume effective number one status in the team.

di Grassi I'm undecided about. He's shown flashes but has more often been pretty anonymous. Renault opted to put Grosjean in the car ahead of him, and if that's a genuine reflection of their respective ability, it's not exactly a great endorsement for Lucas.

It depends what the car's like of course. But it will be tough for him I fear.

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posted Dec 15, 2009

So that leaves just 6 seats to be filled then:

Sauber (2), USF1 (2), Mercedes (1), Campos (1)

I have mixed feelings about Manor signing di Grassi - he's been in GP2 for an awfully long time without being spectacular (solid though), but he may well blossom if Manor make a decent donkey for him to ride. Let's wait & see...

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posted Dec 15, 2009

hmm Glock has shown at times when the car allows it he's an aggressive racer and was Lewis Hamilton's toughest opponent in Gp2 despite finishing only 4th in the standings

Di Grassi has been waiting his chance for 4 years doing Gp2..the Renault team rate him highly for his technical ability but were not so sure about his ultimate speed
Incidentally Di Grassi raced for Manor back in 2005 so knows the team

It looks like Romain Grosjean may get a reprieve at Renault after all

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posted Dec 15, 2009

SWEET STUFF smileysmileysmiley

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posted Dec 15, 2009

Oh yeah, forgot about the Renault seat! doh

I really hope they don't let Grosjean have another lash - he seems incapable of adjusting his braking style to F1 standards.

I'll get me coat...

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posted Dec 15, 2009

well I can 't think anyone else except maybe Heidfeld teaming up with Kubica again for the 2nd Renault seat unless someone like F2 champ Soucek is going to get the seat

that off course depends who the owners are

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posted Dec 15, 2009

Virgin have a load of Lloyds bank money too smiley

I'm looking forward to see how a totally computer designed car races, compared to its wind tunnel rivals.

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posted Dec 15, 2009

"I'm looking forward to see how a totally computer designed car races, compared to its wind tunnel rivals."

It's certainly going to be interesting. Nick Wirth was a very highly respected engineer before he made the plunge with Simtek (And then as technical director of Benetton). However, the Simtek debacle rather dented his credibility, although the 1995 Simtek wasn't as bad as made out, they simply had no money.

A computer designed car will be very interesting. However, we need to learn from the lessons that came this year. BMW and McLaren both had cars that were very quick on their computers. They were (Apparently) seeing large gains on the computer, which when they put into the computer reduced from about 2 second gains to 0.5 second gains, and when they eventually made the track turned into 0.1 second gains.

So, can we trust the computer? The computer will give a good baseline. However, the models employed will not be as accurate as track (or even wind-tunnel) testing, but it is a lot cheaper to run a computer than pour hours into the windtunnel, so with a restricted budget it may well be the way forward.

So will it be faster than Campos and USF1? Honestly, I have no idea!

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posted Dec 15, 2009

wait who are force india's drivers then?

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posted Dec 15, 2009

Lotus should have gone for a driver line-up like this, personally I will be hoping they finish in front of Lotus even though I am not a fan of Branson.

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comment by Russ (U4317590)

posted Dec 15, 2009

Force India are unchanged for 2010.

I'm really not expecting Manor/Virgin to get off the back row.

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posted Dec 15, 2009

Lotus did say they wanted 2 experienced drivers in their first year, to speed up development.

It's cheaper to go for a rookie, but is it wiser?

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posted Dec 15, 2009

Force India have Sutil and Liuzzi.

I like Virgin's line up I think its nice and aggressive for a new team and shows ambition. Hope it pays off for them.

As for that last Renault seat I'm pretty sure its between Villneurve or that russian guy Petrov. All depends who takes control of the team. I really can't see Grosjean being given another chance as he really showed nothing. Not when Renault really need to have a good year.

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posted Dec 15, 2009

Rustiebin - you expect Virgin to be behind USF1?

I don't expect them to be high up the field but think with the backing they have they should at least be in the mix with the other new teams.

I guess we just won't know until testing starts. I'll be cheering on the little team from sheffield though

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posted Dec 15, 2009

Am I surely alone in wondering why we have a new British team, based in Britain with British backing and not a single British driver in the three listed?

What signal does this give to up and coming British drivers?

Frank Williams took gambles on young drivers like Coulthard and Button and Colin Chapman also supported young British talent and Mclaren famously supported Hamilton for many years.

Where is that support now?

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comment by Galahad (U1645165)

posted Dec 15, 2009

John Booth and Manor have supported a huge number of young British drivers over the years, including Lewis Hamilton.

Once you get to F1, selection should be based on ability, not nationality. Unfortunately it isn't always the case, and di Grassi may be contributing towards the budget - I would suspect so. So perhaps it's more a question of what British businesses can do to support up-and-coming drivers, and what the drivers themselves can do in terms of self-promotion?

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comment by gd2 (U1119707)

posted Dec 15, 2009

The likes of Adam Carroll, Anthony Davidson, Paul Di Resta and Gary Paffet couldn't have done more on the track. It seems money still talks but it's very disappointing that so much British money is supporting Brazilian, German and Portugeuse drivers.

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posted Dec 15, 2009

hopefully the team will fail and take with it the arrogance of the man ... Branson talks like he was intrumental in Brawns success, however he has shown that he hasn't a clue about motorsport.

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posted Dec 15, 2009

quicksesh.

Virgin GP is NOT Richard Branson's F1 team. It is a marketing vehicle (If you excuse the pun) for Virgin, yes, but it is the F1 team of Manor, and more particularly John Booth.

Personally, I wouldn't wish any F1 team to fail, irrespective of any commercial agreements they may have!

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posted Dec 15, 2009

I think Davidson deserves a seat! Maybe a surprise winner of the Renault seat?

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posted Dec 15, 2009

anthony davidson deserves a seat somewhere although it's now looking very unlikely. im glad that lucas has his opportunity though. timo was deserving of another drive and now he gets to lead the team for the first time. good luck to branson and virgin.

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posted Dec 15, 2009

Why does Davidson deserve a seat?

I'm just curious not looking for a fight. I follow a lot of F1 and neccs the other catogries. I remember him having one good result in the Super Aguri which was interesting but so many people seem to be a fan of him. Is it just because he commentates or has he done something I've missed?

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posted Dec 15, 2009

RasputinLives

When Anthony Davison was BAR/Honda 3rd driver like Kubica for BMW he was putting in quick and impressive lap times and is highly regarded for his technical ability to set up the car

His performance in Turkey 2007 when the Super Aguri qualified 11th was nothing short of amazing

You have to ask why HOnda kept Davison as the tester and not Takuma Sato given the Japanese influence. Clearly Ant has ability behind the wheel which the engineers are impressed by

Obviously this season behind the commentary box he compliments David Croft very well with his driver's view

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posted Dec 15, 2009

I was amazed to read that Nick Wirth plans not to use a windtunnel and that,"The loop of digital design is key to our operation," Wirth said. "

Eh? Mind, those Simteks looked liked they didn't have much wind tunnel input...

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