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posted Dec 2, 2009

jst ban him from the world cup and sack the refs

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posted Dec 2, 2009

This is so bogus.

While players all over Europe dive game-in and game-out, Henry gets cited for handball?

What a hopeless decision by FIFA.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

Again, I ask: What is the point of FIFA? Blatant, blatant cheating and all their so-called leader can do is plead with players and managers to play fair? Without any deterant, why should players play fair?You wouldn't run a corner shop like this. Weak leadership.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

This from the Chairman of the organisation conducting the investigation!!!

"it was a blatant unfair playing and was shown all around the world, but I don't know what the outcome will be."

Anyone else reminded of the court martial scene in Blackadder?

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comment by duffy (U3557677)

posted Dec 2, 2009

The brevity of the sin is why it has been sourced for examination.

I don't agree with this witch hunt against Henry as his career has been almost exemplary.

A precedent needs to be set to remove cheating from the game so that the referees get more help.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

Seb Blatter in an arrogant pig.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

At last - if i read that right, video tech is being considered. Obviously this isnt a decision made by Platter so i am expecting resignations from them pretty soon?? Thank GOD!

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posted Dec 2, 2009

The officials did NOT see the incident! FIFA has been faffing about for years regarding goal-side incidents. The answer is in their hands - video technology. We have it in Tennis, Cricket and Rugby Union and it doesn't take much time to use, adds to the fun of the game, brings accuracy, and stops the nonsense that goes on. Come on FIFA and Blatter - wake up!

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posted Dec 2, 2009

What a load of rubbish.

The officials get screamed at, harrassed, sneered at, scrutenised without reservation and given only real time viewing and two assistants to make instant, life changing decisions.

There is no answer for a sport so riddled with acceptance of cheating, managers and players encourage and accept a bad decision in their favour and act like petulant children when they receive their own medicine. Until someone 'outrageously' demands that a ref disallows a goal they scored unfairly or ensures a ref gives a foul he hadn't seen agianst that player or managers side's interests and sets an example, the game will always be played and run by hypocrites!!!!

I believe setting a precedent of fining or penalising one player (Henry) will only lead to a requirement to fine or penalise other players and furthermore lead on to clubs happily paying fines and dodging charges plus the insanly high costs of monitoring and reporting after the event!

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posted Dec 2, 2009

Don't investigate and ban Henry, instead investigate the inept match officials! Henry's was a yellow card offence, the match officials are guilty of potentially stopping R o I from playing in the World Cup Finals, with all the additional financial benefits that this would have accrued.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

Blatter has to go. He has lost the confidence of all the participating FAs with his dithering and pompous attitude. Henry was wrong but shouldn't be made as scapegoat for the FIFA chairmans incompetence.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

A total ban from this world cup is the only punishment I will accept for Henry.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

If FIFA punish Thierry Henry what evidence are they going to use, after all Sepp Blatter has already stated that they will not use video technology in the game of football. So if this is the case then the FA panel that uses video technology to punish players are surely breaking the rules

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posted Dec 2, 2009

Strom in a team cup I say. Donít know how much influence the Scottish football authority has in world football but they seem to always get heard.

Looking at football in general, I would say itís as bad as people try to make out once an incident like the Henry or Zidanne head butt. How can anyone with a good heart forget all the wonderful moment and years of hard work of a player has put in the game for just one incident- not even giving the player the benefit of doubt and say, you know what? Itís his first.

Itís crazy- no man is perfect-fact! And all those sad low life that keep calling for Henry's head should look at their own life and judge if itís forever been perfect.

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comment by derien (U7764290)

posted Dec 2, 2009

I agree with fosse. People will try and gain an advantage, if they can get away with it, in every sport: batsmen often won't give themselves out if the umpire misses an edge - and they won't be punished for it either. We need a video ref so the big decisions can be challenged and corrected if necessary - it works really well in rugby and tennis - so why not football!?

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posted Dec 2, 2009


"If a football player can gain an advantage unfairly he will, it's down to the men officiating the game to stop such happenings."

Isn't that like saying it's ok to commit crime - it's up to the police to catch you?

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posted Dec 2, 2009

the official was a joke during that game. i dont know if anyone else noticed but wasnt there a big massive screen in the corner of the stadium replaying the incident while the ref was walking back to the centre circle. when you think about it, video tech has been around for ages, just not used by the people who should be using it. you watch the football on a weekend and you see all these screens around the grounds, and what do you see. replays of the latest incident. we as public get to see them at most 10 seconds after the incident taking place, and then it would add another 5 seconds for the video ref to say, goal, no goal, hand ball, not handball. the trouble is, these people in charge of fifa and uefa appoint the refs and to say the ref got it wrong is basically saying "we got it wrong" its the same with the FA in this country. eduardo got a 2 game ban for making the most out of a situation, he was touched, but quite honestly, it wouldnt have ruffled your hair, but it was a penalty, therefore the ban was over turned. however henry, was as blatant as it can be, he is as guilty as a puppy sat next to a pile of pooh and should therefore be punished. if blatter and platini are so adamant about getting rid of cheating, make an example of him, ban him for the whole world cup. that will send the kind of message even the semi intelligent beings called footballers will be able to understand. sack the game officials, again, make an example.........it will all be for the best.....

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posted Dec 2, 2009

Henry should not become a scapegoat. Instinct takes over in the heat of the moment. It's not about him, its about the officiating and the greyness in every sport. The Irish have every right to feel cheated but I wonder how many times any other sporting heroes (Irish included) have taken advantage unfairly.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

ice man dudu, sorry but i have to disagree. what you are essentially saying is forget about it because basically he has been a good egg. what would happen if an exceptional soldier, awared various medals for bravery, saved the lives of numerous colleagues, helped out with charity work for most of his life goes out and kills someone, do we forget it because he was a good'un. no we dont. we punish them. henrys good name is now tainted by that handball and people all over the world will brand him for what he is. a cheat. zidane, although stupid, wasnt a cheat, what he did was thuggery and if you or i did that in the street, we would be locked up for assault. basically zidane got off lightly by being red carded. if i was the italian, i would have pressed charges............ same with roy keane and inge haarland, keane should have gone to jail for that, michael gray, hunt for reading.........all were assault and not dealt with properly.....they should all be punished, no matter how minor the incident....

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posted Dec 2, 2009

BONYTAKER........why do people keep sticking up for henry. it might have been instinct the first time the ball hit him, but to move his hand and basically palm the ball back onto his foot was not instinct, it was cheating and it shows him for what he is, a cheat...........and should be punished as one.

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comment by naigib (U10221114)

posted Dec 2, 2009

This is ludicrous.

What about just about every other player who has tugged an opponent's shirt, gone down after barely a touch, feigned an injury to waste time or get another player booked, etc, etc - there isn't a fagpapersworth between what Henry did and what happens all the time during every game.

Blatter talks of football setting a social and moral code. Some code!!

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posted Dec 2, 2009

So, Blatter has apologised (in a backhanded way citing headlines)for his ludicrous antics at his press conference on Monday. well he might apologise, & while he's at it, he should apologise for not taking seriously the grevious flouting of Fifa's own Fair Play & Respect campaigns by Henry & the French football authorities. It has taken Blatter several weeks to wake up to the cheating by Henry. Now it's time for Fifa to wake up to the 21st century, smell the coffee, and introduce video technology to end disputes in the penalty area and to decide whether goals are legitimate or not. And Blatter should stop acting the clown, & behave as Fifa President with some dignity befitting his office ... or resign.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

They're just turning this into a witch hunt now and it's unfair on Henry. If the govourning bodies of football took there thumbs out of the backsides and actually did something effective like allowing video aided decisions then stuff like this would never happen.

How many times have we said the same thing on various situations? Is it that hard for them to work it out?

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posted Dec 2, 2009

How can the referee be blamed? He cannot see through people, therefore could not see the incident.

Given was also blocking the Linesamns line of sight.

This is the limitation of human officiating.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

stevies-g-string, i take it you are a liverpool fan with a name like. dont you think that video evidence would basically mean that carragher would spend most of the season on the sidelines on suspension for the amount of penalties, free kicks and fouls that dont get picked up at the moment, but would as soon as the video ref watches.............

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posted Dec 2, 2009

This is clearly another smoke screen by fifa, to appear-to appease the aggrieved Irish. This will come to nothing, but the Irish wil be tricked in to believing that something was done.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

I couldnt give a monkeys if it did. I'd rather have a fairer game than having angles available for bitter rival supporters making cheap quips.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

here here stevies-g-string. i am all for that as well..

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posted Dec 2, 2009

This is a nonsense - unless every player who deliberately handles a ball has to undergo the same scrutiny, regardless of where on the park they do it and whether or not it leads to a goal. The intent is the same - to mislead the ref and gain an advantage for your team.

I personally am losing sympathy for the Irish rather rapidly over this. How can they make the pathetic request to go the World Cup as a 33rd entrant then bleat when someone makes the request public knowledge? Its not as though they were actually going through when this goal went in - they would still have had to win a shootout!

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comment by deleted (U3765986)

posted Dec 2, 2009

Anyone played sport?

Anyone tried to gain an unfair advantage in the heat of the moment and got away with it?

I know I have.

That doesn't make me a bad person and Henry is not a bad person.

Let's get some perspective here. Henry tried it on and got away with it. That's all.

So what 'it cost Ireland money' (which it appears is the most important thing! Sad but true).

All the holier than thou comments on here crack me up.

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comment by Carior (U3271775)

posted Dec 2, 2009

What Blatter has effectively said is that Henry blatantly cheated but he might not be punished. Blatter claims he doesnt know what will happen..... i do, Blatter is paving the way for Henry not being punished because FIFA wanted France and not the Republic there anyways!

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posted Dec 2, 2009

This is crazy, Henry should not be getting this level of stick and should be allowed to play at the world cup.

I agree it is very harsh on Ireland, i would have loved to see them in South Africa and watched the play-off firmly wanting France to miss out.

Yes the goal shouldn't have been allowed in the first place but it was. Had it been a Football League game there would still have been a mention but it would have been forgotten by now. It is only due to what was a stake that it has had so much press. Yes Henry handballed but the goal stood, the match officials are the only people that should be criticiesd it anyone. Thierry even admitted to it being a handball, fair play to him. What was he supposed to do?

If he ran straight to the referee and told them it was a handball yes the football world would respect him but France certainly wouldn't.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

I don't understand - what is there to 'investigate'? Henry clearly handled the ball and for all the people who are saying that he did it instinctively and in the heat of the moment - whatever, he still cheated.

However, he's not the only player to have cheated and there have been far worse examples - Henry just got away with his because unfortunately none of the officials were in a position to see it due to all the bodies in the box. If the ref had seen it, Henry would have got a yellow card and Ireland may or may not have gone through.

But now there isn't anything anyone can do concerning that incident. Ireland aren't going to the World Cup and I don't see how Fifa can punish Henry for a yellow card offence. To be fair, Henry is right in that if the referee didn't see it, there's nothing he can do, although that doesn't excuse his cheating. The only thing that Fifa can do is introduce extra officials and/or television replays to make decisions but yet again they've failed to see sense.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

Gallas must have seen the handball, but still stuck the ball in the net. Why isn't he being investigated too?
What the hell is there for FIFA to investigate?
Never mind,they'll doubtless have a decent dinner on expenses.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

I'm all for punishing cheating, and feel you can't allow such an occurence to go by without taking action, but much like the Eduardo thing, cheating is so regular, once you go down this route, all hell breaks loose, which is why they had to backtrack on the Eduardo thing. At the same time, it can't continue as it is. Henry won't be punished IMO, and if they don't want to go down the technology route, then we are just going round in circles.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

The shame of all this is the fact that Henry will be remembered for all the wrong reasons.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

It amazes me how many people rush to Henry's offence and seek to shift blame for his cheating onto the officials for having failed to spot it.

Yes, they should have done. I am perfectly clear on that. But the game is played at a mile a minute and the incident occurred amongst a crowd of players, through which the referee couldn't have had a very good view. Most importantly, I don't believe the officials intentionally mucked up.

This is what distinguishes them from Henry. He cheated. His action was not a mistake, it was done so as to gain his team an advantage. This is why he is worthy of blame and the officials less so.

I'm not sure whether retrospective punishment is a good idea, nor am I entirely in support of the use of video technology. I admit I'm fudging the issue on these points. But I am quite clear that cheaters should not prosper, less still be defended by vast swathes of the footballing community.

Lastly, on viewing a few of the comments on here, I have noticed that people complain about Henry getting such attention but divers still getting away with it. While I would agree that diving is a plague on the game, this single incident is at least as bad. It was no more honourable and, indeed, it was more damaging to the opponent, than diving.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

Hopefully this will usher in a new (and not before time) era of video technology. Every fan has been a victim of bad decision against the bigger teams or a ref missing a blatant foul that has lead to a goal.
Teams should get a number of calls to make in a match, like in tennis lets say 3, get the call right you still have 3, abuse it and you get 2 docked (stop Fergie questioning every decision in the last 10 minutes).

Usually injustices like these only effect 40k fans, but this time it's an entire nation and it's been see all around the world, the momentum for change has got to swing FIFA this time.

It works in other sports, now is the time to fix football.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

This is a witch-hunt. FIFA are succumbing to pressure from the football world and media, while they have rules in place.

These things happen all the time in football, I remember Saviola controlled a ball with his hand then scored during a CL game vs Liverpool in '04, but no one said nothing! Trezeguet did the same with France, don't remember in which tourno...for God's sake, Sharner did the same thing vs Spurs, and he won't get investigated or punished!

Just because it was a crucial game that's why it kicked up a huge fuss (although they were going to penalties) and just because it was Ireland, then the whole English media, who are good at harrassing their own players, turned Henry into a hate figure. If it was some other Iceland, or Kazahkstan, or whatever, no one could've given a rat's fart. For sure.

And some of you 606ers' analogies are terrible-murder vs a handball?! Get serious.

In general, LEAVE HENRY ALONE. It's a shame the ref missed it. It's not like it was premeditated, and he has already apologized. And stop calling him a cheat as well, you're making him look like he does that every match.

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comment by moley04 (U9039932)

posted Dec 2, 2009

This episode just about sums up the whole pathetic organisation that runs football out of Geneva. None of them have played the game, everyone of them is so far out of touch with reality that it is frightening. To come out with this rubbish now about Henry is nothing more than a PR exercise to try and show that they are in control of the situation when the truth is that they are not even close to it. If they had done what they should have done years ago and come down hard on cheating then football would be a much better game to watch but yet again they managed to swerve the issue and launch a totally wasted Respect campaign which didn't even last five minutes! As for five officials?? They struggle to find one that is good enough for most games, where are they going to find five from? Oh no yet another idea that has been disgarded. Technology has been available for years in tennis, cricket and both forms of rugby. Why is the biggest and richest game in the world not even close to using it. To keep saying that 'we are looking into it' is like listening to a worn out record. Funnily enough the top job at this wonderful organisation is up for grabs soon....I wonder who will be re-elected??

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comment by tony (U9529345)

posted Dec 2, 2009

what is there to be investigate
the whole world have seen the handball
the player admitted on TV
I mean how much prove do you need
Ask Henry to beg Fifa to ban him

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posted Dec 2, 2009

If anything positive comes from investigating Henry such as introducing more officials and maybe technology to spot cheating players then this will be a good thing..

More and more professional football players cheat today more than any other time and a lot has to do with the rewards of the game and the financial aspects. No player or team can stand to lose playing fair so given the option they'll cheat to win..

Cheating to win has to be stopped it is ruining the modern game..

It needs stamping out...

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posted Dec 2, 2009

In general, LEAVE HENRY ALONE. It's a shame the ref missed it. It's not like it was premeditated, and he has already apologized. And stop calling him a cheat as well, you're making him look like he does that every match.

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No one is saying he cheats in every match - he's been an exemplary player throughout his career and a role model. But he still cheated that night and although he has apologised that doesn't just excuse it.

I don't believe he should be remembered as a cheat but Henry is not the victim in this.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

Lots of decisions like diving and etc are subjective. You could say a player has to take evasive action to avoid being kicked up in the air. However he may still go over to avoid losing the advantageous position he was legitimately even if contact isn't made. Might be a dive, might not.

However, certain things LIKE handball - using your hand or arm to direct the ball to gain an advantage is cheating - always. Same as kicking a player after the ball has gone is always violent conduct. There is no fuzzy area for these offences. Just different levels of consequence.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

FIFA are just hypocrits. They claim they want to promote fair play in football, yet admit Henry cheated, but will not replay the game, which would have been the fair thing to do. If FIFA really wanted to promote fairness in football then that is what they should have done. Putting Ireland in the 2010 South Africa World Cup as the thirty third team should not have happened because Ireland did not qualify and nobody knows if Irleand would have beaten France had Henry's goal been correctly ruled out and the game continued. However, if FIFA do indeed promote fairness in football, as they say they do, then they should have had the game replayed. They have the power to replay the game.

Not replaying the game shows that there are only certainly limits to what FIFA will do to promote fairness in football. In other words, money is FIFA's primary concern. Why were the European World Cup play offs seeded for the first time in history? It is because FIFA wanted both France and Portugal to reach the 2010 South Africa World Cup because they have the best players and they will gain higher global television ratings, and subsequently generate more revenue if the biggest countries with the best known players are playing. Can you imagine the World Cup with no Cristiano Ronaldo or Henry?

FIFA changed the rules (i.e seeding the play offs for the firs time in history) to suit their best interests (the biggest nations going to the World Cup), which this time round is unfortunately at Ireland's expense. They could have, and should have changed the rules again to allow the play off to be replayed if they truely believed in promoting fairness in football. However, this whole saga has shown that they do not, and the news today that are investigating the incident and will possibly punish Henry is just to cover their backs, which it will not do as the only way they could have is to have the game replayed. Henry will not get banned because that would mean he would miss games at the World Cup, and that will not generate high ratings and revenue for FIFA. Money rules the world, and unfortunately it rules football too.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

Hi,

What is there to investigate? it is on video, he handled the ball, twice
As usual FIFA is fudging the issue, surely if it is proved as it was in the Ireland/France game cheating had taken place whether the officials saw it or not, the cameras did, FIFA should have come down hard on the person who was cheating.
Blatter is living in a fool's paradise, he still thinks soccer is played by gentlemen who are chivalrous in their behaviour.
Where there are the monetry rewards available as there are in soccer today there will always be cheats trying to gain an advantage.
Soccer at the highest level is no longer a sport, it is a business, the object of being in business is to make money for the share holders.
This attitude permeates through to international matches, win at all costs.
With FIFAs attitude there is no retribution for cheats.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

Henry should be banned because he has cheated and so far got away with it. Yes, people cheat every day in sport and get away with it, but accepting Henry's handball and walking away only increases this problem. By punishing those who are at the pinnacle of their sport and still cheat in the public eye, the message that cheating is unacceptable is finally promoted and we may see a stop to the degradation of the beautiful game.

Feel free to give the officials a hard time. Yes, they should have seen it. But if the message that cheating simply will not be tolerated is finally broadcasted in this high profile case, they may not have anything to see in years to come. Idealistic? Probably. But it has to start somewhere.

Henry to be banned for at least the group games.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

'In general, LEAVE HENRY ALONE. It's a shame the ref missed it. It's not like it was premeditated, and he has already apologized. And stop calling him a cheat as well, you're making him look like he does that every match.'

Cheating need not be persistent. Cheating need not be premeditated. The act of cheating is not erased by an apology, less still by an apology made at a time when it can have no meaningful effect. Yes, he may not be revelling in it like Maradona, but he still reaped the benefit of his action.

Hnery cheated. I'm puzzled why people cannot accept this blindlingly obvious fact.

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posted Dec 2, 2009

Henry as done nothing another striker would not do in similar circumstances,it was an instinctive thing .However in such an important game as this they should be using video technology as they do in rugby to check for just such a situation with a referee watching the game via video, it wouldn't take long to come up with a decision on a disputed goal or penalty claim.Henry isnt a cheat as such, he is a great player, he admitted he handled the ball and didnt hide from the fact, i hope the powers to be dont make him a scape goat and then dont address the issue of using video technology in the future

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posted Dec 2, 2009

BlueSteel_CFC, well said, but you have these Arsenal fans calling in saying they don't think the same of Henry anymore, former teammates saying he's tarnished his reputation...

I don't get it. Cantona beat up a fan at Selhurst park in '96, I don't know how the press reacted (I was too young then) but he's held high in the English football world. Zizou ended his career in the wrong way, but no one questions his reputation.

Why Henry?!

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