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Kessler or Ward - Who Ya Got?

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posted Nov 21, 2009

Kessler all day long. Ward is not experienced enough and Kessler loves to come out and fight. I think it will be fairly close though.

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posted Nov 21, 2009

Kessler by a close UD

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posted Nov 21, 2009

I'm going with the grain, and I'll say Kessler to win. smiley

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posted Nov 21, 2009

Kessler - half man, half tattoo.

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posted Nov 21, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFGSlnr-L1U

This is a good video showing what the great Dane can do. Cant wait for him to fight Froch. Carl the poisonous snake is gonna get KTFO

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posted Nov 21, 2009

Think Ward will win it on points, with his faster hands and all round boxing ability, i've always believed Kessler's a bit one dimensional and believe this will be a points win for Ward, wouldnt be surprised if Kessler stopped him late though

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posted Nov 21, 2009

methinks kessler tko 11th round too powerfull.

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posted Nov 21, 2009

ward on points.

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posted Nov 21, 2009

kessler points split decision and a great great contest

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posted Nov 21, 2009

ward pointscider

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comment by U14018525

posted Nov 21, 2009

All Calzaghe fans will obviously go for Kessler. I see Ward beating him on points.

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posted Nov 21, 2009

Nice Kessler music video MonkeyMan, and Iíll say from the start heís a complete fighter, at times against Calzaghe Kessler was simply Ďthe bossí, and that doesnít happen often. That said, the impressive tally of KOs heís amassed are against rather limited opposition.

Its tempting to start talking about Froch, but that isnít doing justice to Andre Ward. The brilliant amateur has really tested himself in the pro ranks, rarely will a fighters first two fights be against undefeated opposition. In the 2nd of those, Ward was badly hurt by Kenny Kost and came back to win. Thatís a quality heís going to have find against Kessler, because Kessler can, and will, bang.

Wins over Buchanan, Miranda and Pudwill prove that Ward belongs in this tournament, but Kesslerís a much bigger test. I fancy Ward to come out early and trouble the ring-rusty Dane. At some point though Kessler is going to try and take over. If Ward can stay in there and take the abuse Calzaghe had to, then he can take this, but only on the cards.

In an attempt to look clever, Iíll go against the bookies and say Ward by Split or Majority decision.

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comment by robzaba (U2159929)

posted Nov 21, 2009

Listen guys, if it goes to points, then Ward wins. He's v fast, as not easy to hit as others would believe. If Ward stays to Kasslers left, he can pick K off all night. But if Ward goes to war, it's Kessler's fight. Ward is clever in the ring, I see him fighting with Dirrels speed but not running,and K might get frustrated.

If K backs W p, K might get the KO. But my prediction is a Ward UN or SD.

Cheers smiley

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comment by Ichi_1 (U2189242)

posted Nov 21, 2009

What times it expected to come on? Any replays online anywhere? Ive got to be up early tomorrow so cant really watch it live if its an early morning job

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comment by Ichi_1 (U2189242)

posted Nov 21, 2009

As far as predictions go i see Kessler stopping Ward late, 11th i reckon.

Ward is good but he hasnt got any power to trouble Kessler and hell just box for 12 rounds and wear him down

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posted Nov 22, 2009

Ward was very lucky.

Kessler will be abck.

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comment by Chill (U14229445)

posted Nov 22, 2009

Ward was quite simply brilliant..Unlike Dirrell..he just boxed a great offensive fight..Stole all MKs advantages away ..and for a "Hard Man" like Mikkel to moan about headbutts..pathetic..should have done it himself

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comment by Toe2Toe (U6288427)

posted Nov 22, 2009

I wouldn't say Ward was lucky, he took the fight to Kessler. Kessler was very one dimensional and looked out of sorts on the night.

Well done Ward.

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posted Nov 22, 2009

Great fight, first time seeing Ward fight and he was very impressive. Trading with the best fighter in the division, and he outclassed him. This tournament is getting more exciting with each fight.

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posted Nov 22, 2009

This fight was a total disgrace.
From the opening bell Ward was grabbing and holding to prevent Kessler from establishing a rythm, while he started to head butt and in fact head butted 6 times one in 8th should have seen a posible disqualification if he had been warned about the other 5 times.
Kessler did not perform well but one does not know if due to two split eyes both caused by head butts or not.
The ref performed oddly often stopping the fight in middle of a round to keep checking Kessler instead of in the corner between rounds etc.
Ward may have won without the head butts and holding but the ref should have warned him of both
So typical American home boy favouritism
Anyone watching the fight , and there will be replays can see that the ref never cautioned for constant holding and headbutting.

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posted Nov 22, 2009

What fight were you watching from the opening bell Ward was planting some crisp shots on Kessler, he was quick and accurate. There was holding but just the same as you would see in most boxing matches. Instead of moaning you should be more accepting of a great fight. It was a shame the fight ended because of a head butt, but this happens. Watch the fight again and you'll see none of the head butts were intentional and were as much Kessler's fault as they were Ward's.

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posted Nov 22, 2009

I watched the fight, Ward was guilty of some rough-housing in there and I do think the ref favoured him. When Kessler instigated clinches he got scolded, when Ward did it he wasn't.

Stiil, that doesn't change the fact that Ward was clearly superior and put on a very impressive showing. He did better against Kessler than Calzaghe did, and this was a more experienced Kessler.

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posted Nov 22, 2009

Did you actually watch the fight ?

The head butt in the 8th round was played in slow motion, will be replayed again and it looked intentional to me but the preceding head butts were due to Wards leading with his head low rushing in and clutching.

I repeat the ref should have cautioned Ward both for holding and headbutting 6 times witout a caution is way too much and then showing concern in middle of rounds after the damage was done ?

Kessler is a very orthodox type boxer and had as he explained difficulty handling those tactics.His hand speed and not landing combination also cost him.

Both eyes were cut very badly by head butts .

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posted Nov 22, 2009

Starting to see some potential problems with the super 6 series?

Kessler and Taylor coming off defeats could potentially be fighting a WBC/WBA unification bout this time next year! Is this fair? No one else has that opportunity now.

Dirrel, Taylor or Kessler could end up with a major belt at the of the series but still NOT make it through to the semi-finals. i.e. Lose, lose, win might not be enough but depending on the draw, the win could be for a belt.

AA could win his next 4 fights (possibly back to back fights with Froch) without any of them being world title fights. Is this fair?

Is there an argument for only deciding the group 2 fixtures based on group 1 results (e.g. Abraham v Ward WBA, Froch v Kessler WBC, Dirrell v Taylor non-title).

And the same with the group 3 matches, wait until after group 2??? (e.g. winner of AAvAW v winner of CFvML in a unification fight to see who is the number 1 seed in the semis etc. The 2 losers of those 2 fights would fight JT or AD)

semi final draw to be 1st v either 3rd or 4th and 2nd v the other one from 3rd or 4th trying to make sure no semi is a repeat of a group 3 fight).

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posted Nov 22, 2009

So, at the end of the day, Galzaghe beat no-one in his entire career, sad that.

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posted Nov 22, 2009

I was never a big fan of Calzaghe, but he was always very fit and well conditioned , and could lake a good punch.
I think he did have some pretty good fights against some hard opponents and I will say he handled anyone who used rough inside tactics like Hopkins very well.
He was always confident and was hard to intimidate , I liked that as Americans have such big mouths.

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posted Nov 22, 2009

I agree with fatdwaarf, the series could easily descend it chaos as now there are a few guys who will be reversing like mad out of some of the match ups....Froch`s dream unification bought with Kessler is up in smoke and he won`t be too keen on a trip to Denmark with nothing to gain and Abraham can fight like the devil for another few fights and all he will be doing is padding his record as there are no titles on the line for him. Taylor is kidding everyone he has it in himself to come back....I suspect its going to take some hasty reorganising to keep the series together.

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posted Nov 22, 2009

Im a kessler fan but he was totally exposed last night/this morning, I was really surprised by Ward and see him and AA clear favourites for the tourney. ps Kesslers corner men should be fired, theyt were terrible between rounds looks like they were just staring at MK between rounds no advise whatsoever, he should sort his training team out before next fight, still see him beating a one dimensional no defence Carl Froch though.

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posted Nov 22, 2009

I can only say one thing about this fight:
hahhahahahhahahhahahahhaha to Calzaghe

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posted Nov 22, 2009

Ward "opened" the fight with crisp clean punching. Whats to say Kessler would not have came back in the latter rounds, He is after all a notoriously slow starter. He never got the chance, 5 warnings for holding Ward was actually grabbing Kesslers head and if not there had his arm around his waist,Warnings for blocking/pushing an open glove into the face "watch the hand Andre" was heard at least 5 times. All 3 cuts were started by headbutts(the cut under the right eye was eventually opened more with a punch but was started with a headbutt, this was quoted by the ref also). How do you not DQ a guy for all this. Im in America so i would have loved to have heard maybe some british commentary. But i was totally disgusted! I liked Ward as a boxer but for him to say after the fight he wasn't dirty is an out and out lie, I think we know which promoter cut the check for the ref this fight, When will boxing ever learn!

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posted Nov 22, 2009

You obviously were watching the same fight as I was.
It was disgustingly one sided from an incompetent or bent referee.

This farce will be shown over again and there will,be hopefully some more commentary on all those head butts and constant holding by Ward yet Kessler gets the warnings.

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posted Nov 22, 2009

Seriously the excuses here are a joke, Kessler offered little and had no answer regardless of head butts or holding. The fight wasn't stopped early it was stopped in the eleventh, he lost the fight simple as that. This is a fight guys not ballroom dancing, so what if you get a few butts. Deal with it, Calzaghe managed to.

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posted Nov 22, 2009

i think maybe what would have worked better is that maybe sll 3 major governing bodies should have entered their champions, 3 others joined the fray, relinquish all the titles. draw the fights at random (kinda like a champs league drawing) Winner takes all, You get a super 6 champ & an undipusted champ. Or just dont put any belts up and have a super six champ, If ring magazine can have a belt why cant a tv channel have one.

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posted Nov 22, 2009

Yeah like Mike Tyson did and responded by biting off Holyfields ear off , well what the Hell he had another one left.
Why bother with rules at all and do away with boxing and make it cage fighting.
THE POINT IS NOT KESSLERS ABILITY HERE ITS THE FLAGRANT BREACH OF THE RULES OF BOXING.

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posted Nov 22, 2009

Hardly the same is it head butts happen in the vast majority of fights, most fighters accept it and get on with it. Biting someone's ear off is hardly the same thing is it. You state that there was a blatant head butt in the eighth round, well by then Kessler was well behind in the fight. It's not like Ward was losing, then head butted him to turn the fight in his favour. Kessler was slow through out, easily beaten to the punch, and I for one welcome a change to this division. This is keeping boxing fresh and competitive.

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posted Nov 22, 2009

Fights are lost by disqualification, even big ones .
If Ward had been warned for his dangerous tactic of rushing in head very low clutching etc then he may have been disqualified unlikely by a home ref in US and Hopkins got away with a lot so was funny to see him crawling around canvas calling for foul by Calkzac
Listen Kessler did not perform well but should have had better refereeing in my opinion.

As I recall Froch was behind too until he got a knock out in last round.

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posted Nov 22, 2009

Ward was good last night and clearly was better than Kessler. I think he will beat Froch on his way to final.. But make no mistake - he has NO CHANCE against ARTHUR ABRAHAM.. absolutely no chance

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posted Nov 22, 2009

I don't get how this changes anything about Calzaghe. Ward is undefeated and he beat Kessler. I didn't see the fight so I don't know if Ward was more impressive against Kessler or not, but it doesn't matter anyway. Even if he was it doesn't mean he would have beat Calzaghe. If he goes on to have a great career we can all debate it. I think big Calzaghe supporters probably overrate him, but the haters also don't give him his due. Any fighter that retires undefeated after a long career deserves respect. In fact, anyone who steps in the ring deserves respect. I think Calzaghe was a great fighter. I don't think he was on a level with a Leonard or Hagler, but there is no shame in that. This constant back and forth on the guy is a joke. Lets at least show him enough respect to know that a Froch has no business being in the ring with him, and unless Ward goes on to have a great career there is no way he should be rated higher than Calzaghe either. I'm American BTW.

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posted Nov 22, 2009

What a fighter Ward is. He really came of age last night and for much of the fight looked like a ring veteran. Much will be made of head-clashes and elbows, but I just didn't see the fight that way. I picked Ward to win (see above), but I didn't think he'd ever be the boss on the inside.

A dominant performance from a man who must be now talked about as a potential super 6 champion. Can't wait to see Ward v Abraham.

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posted Nov 22, 2009

Should add that I've just re-watched it on youtube and must admit that the clash of heads in round 10 is questionable.

Have to give it to Kessler, he never really got into the fight but at all times his body language said "this isn't over".

That aside, Ward was excellent.

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posted Nov 23, 2009

I have just watched the fight on youtube as well.
I think at the time of the stoppage, the scorecards were probably about right.
It seems Kessler was initially surprised by the speed of Ward, who built up an early lead.
In the middle to later rounds, Wards' 'run forward head down swinging punches style' caused problems for Kessler whom seemed to be too upright, and only throwing predictable jabs and one-twos.
A few Kessler uppercuts would have surely slowed down the onrushing attacks?
Kessler seemed to be getting back into the fight through rounds 9 to 11 but it was too late.
Wards head was a bit dangerous, but nothing unusual really and you have to cope with that. If anything his holding and hitting was much worse.

goeast12 - good post, nice to hear a bit of respect for Joe

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posted Nov 23, 2009

I was there and up close. Tactically Ward was at the top of his game. What many if not most fail to realize is that Ward had an extensive amateur career against European style fighters. Not sure of the exact number but was well above 50. So Kessler was not mystery to Ward. Ward had quicker hand speed, switched up early and often which confused Kessler, stronger on the inside, etc. Didn't see any elbows but the head butts were accidental. Ward was intentinally trying to stay under Kesslers big right hand and work inside. The referee let them both fight out of clinches but Kessler either chose not to or couldn't. So Kessler got his ass whipped. It was never close and had it gone anymore rounds Kessler could have been permantley injured. Both cuts over the eyes were nasty. I somehow think this was only Kessler v Ward 1. Rematch for the title a very big possility.

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posted Nov 23, 2009

Wonder if Kessler was looking ahead to the Froch clash a bit much and underestimated Ward a bit. I think Froch did the same with Dirrell and ended up just on the right side of that decision. Its quite apparent that with Abraham, Ward and Dirrell in the super six the established SM title holders have no room for complacence. Seems a strange fight from Kessler but in my opinion he has not been quite the same since the loss on his record..as some commentators say 'an unbeaten fighter does not know how to lose'.

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posted Nov 23, 2009

very well put lamorgan,i too was there section 128 row 9,great view of the action opposite the tv cameras,didnt get on tv thoughgrr shocked at how bad kessler is on the insideyikes sure froch saw that and will take note,i met dirrell afterwards was froch and abraham there?? i was looking for themcider

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posted Nov 25, 2009

I think everyone is overating Ward. He's a luck y dirty fighter. Kesslers would have won that fight no problems if the clash of heads never happened which I still feel was no accident on Wards behalf. He also throw a couple of elbows as well. When you have a cut like that its hard to fight and the other fighter has the upper hand from then on. But thats Boxing and ward won and well done to him in the end. I feel if there was a re-match Kessler might not under estimate him. This is what I think happened here. Like the Froch and Dirrell fight but Froch some how got lucky.

Big Abraham will sort Ward out no probs. A see A Froch and Abraham final.

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