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Valencia v Basle

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posted Oct 29, 2009

To be honest, I think they're both decent line-ups, although on paper Valencia's look like there is more depth. Del Potro's unfortunate withdrawl means the Basel field looks weaker, but they both have enough to keep us interested.

Valencia is the one I'll keep the closer eye on as it has the two Andy's in it. Assuming they are both fit of course!!

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posted Oct 29, 2009

I think you've got the obligatory 1-star vote for mentioning either Murray or Federer - perhaps this time it was for mentioning both and then daring to suggest they may be the winners.

Why they feel the need to vote 1-star on an article that is informing and brings the next two tournaments to the fore, I don't know, but you got 5 <star> from me anyway <ok>

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comment by Bourne (U3020163)

posted Oct 29, 2009

Valencia should be more exciting. But there's no chance whatsoever that both Murray and Federer will win ...

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posted Oct 29, 2009

Valencia of course !!!

5 <star> Sisivale
;-)

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posted Oct 29, 2009

Both intriguing - shame that Delboy is out of Basel, I would have liked him in that mix on Fed's home ground to see what would have happened :)

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posted Oct 29, 2009

It was obvious that Valencia would have more depth; Spain has lots of top-ranked players and most good players would rather avoid Federer in Basel! ;-)

But there's still a decent line-up for Basel, and that's the tourno I'll be keeping my eyes on, mainly because I want to see how Fed does in his home tourno, and I've never watched it before.

However, SuperSport will hopefully show the 2 tournos side-by-side (they did show Beijing & Tokyo, Chennai & Doha etc, they never let me down :-D

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posted Oct 29, 2009

sod out for rest of the season due to tennis elbow

he will be back in training in 4 weeks so will be fit for the start of next season

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comment by Agent J (U3165502)

posted Oct 29, 2009

Valencia looks like the best for me.

Nice article Sisi <ok>

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comment by Bourne (U3020163)

posted Oct 29, 2009

"I would have liked him in that mix on Fed's home ground to see what would have happened"

Semis last year.

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comment by BOO (U12535530)

posted Oct 29, 2009

Valencia if anything probably has a better mix and could provide a winner from quite a few players.

A lot depends on how fit the top guys are!

As for Basle the winner most probably will come from Federer or Djokovic, with Fed having the home advantage and will want to please the Swiss crowd.

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posted Oct 29, 2009

"I would have liked him in that mix on Fed's home ground to see what would have happened"

Semis last year.
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Not quite the same Chumba as with a USO title under his belt having defeated Federer to do it?

I dont think Potro is the same as a year ago.

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comment by celosa (U14059235)

posted Oct 29, 2009

GJ - it's a shame is sod is out - is that confirmed? I've never been a big fan but it rather spoils the race for the last place in London, and he deserved to be in with a shout after his season.

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posted Oct 29, 2009

his coach says he needs 3 weeks rest or te injury will get worse and affect next season

its nice to see aplayer takig the sensible route and not risking long term injury

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posted Oct 29, 2009

GJ

If it is Tennis Elbow that does not bode well for the future. Whilst the rest now will help his immediate recovery, it effectively puts him in the same boat as Nadal, Roddick, Murray who all have similar "tendon related" injuries that will flare up with overuse (and have done in the course of this year).

Sad really because he's found his form this year.

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posted Oct 29, 2009

I'm not a Sod fan, but I feel sorry for him. That's not the way you'ld want to finish your year. He was the cat amongst the pigeons this years. :-(

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comment by Bourne (U3020163)

posted Oct 29, 2009

"Not quite the same Chumba as with a USO title under his belt having defeated Federer to do it?

I dont think Potro is the same as a year ago."

Indeed, this year he has more pressure on him as US champion, and he's never been that handy an indoor player yet.

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posted Oct 29, 2009

Indeed, this year he has more pressure on him as US champion, and he's never been that handy an indoor player yet.
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True enough but Fed can also have problems with players who have beaten him.

A pity we shall not see it - I think it might have been interesting :)

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posted Oct 29, 2009

For me it has to be Valencia due to the apparent return of Andy Murray (This however is looking less likely). Some great players to contend with, it should be a cracking tournament. However i will still keep an eye on Basle and i hope that at least one of them, hopefully both, will be live on BET365. Anyone give me a answer to that?

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posted Oct 29, 2009

Definitely Basel. It is the more prestigious event and has had so many greats playing there in the past. It is a much older tournament than Valencia. So many great matches have been played at Basel.

McEnroe, Borg, Lendl, Nastase, Wilander, Edberg, Becker,Sampras, Agassi, and of course, Roger Federer, have all played there. Who has played at Valencia? I can't think of any greats or great matches happening at Valencia.

The best player in the world, Roger Federer, is playing there this year, and also Djokovic, the world number 3, is playing there. The top players will be at Basel. It is unfortunate that JMDP had to withdraw from this great tournament. The highest seed in Valencia is the world number 4, Murray.

Last year, the Nalbandian - JMDP semi-final and the Federer - Nalbandian final were great matches. Some of the best tennis I had seen that year.

I am surprised though, that the "patriotic" Nadal is not playing Valencia...

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comment by Bourne (U3020163)

posted Oct 29, 2009

"I can't think of any greats or great matches happening at Valencia."

Nico Almagro.

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posted Oct 29, 2009

Nico Almagro.
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<laugh>

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posted Oct 29, 2009

"Nico Almagro"

He has been in the last 3 finals in Valencia and won 2 of them <yikes>

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posted Oct 29, 2009

Good job Nadals not playing then ;)

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posted Oct 29, 2009

Duggie

Do you know why Nadal doesn't play at Valencia?

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comment by Bourne (U3020163)

posted Oct 29, 2009

"He has been in the last 3 finals in Valencia and won 2 of them"

And the other one he lost despite being *5-2 in the third, one of the more sickening chokes of our generation.

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comment by BOO (U12535530)

posted Oct 29, 2009

MurrayNo1

Published in yesterdays Telegraph:

Andy Murray's management company has confirmed that the world No 4, who has not played at a ranking tournament since his fourth-round defeat to Croatian Marin Cilic at the US Open in September, is planning to compete at next week’s event in Valencia :-)

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posted Oct 29, 2009

BO&O

Is it for sure that AM will be in attendance at Valencia? I know that these are the plans, but silence (even a quote from Murray's mamnagement company) does not dispell uncertainties.

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posted Oct 29, 2009

LoveFifteen, Nadal has already fulfilled all his '500' event obligations by playing at Beijing so he need not play any '500' event anymore, nothing to do with patriotism. In fact he does not like to play at Madrid as well, even though it is on clay starting this year, its just that it is a mandatory tournament so he does not miss it. I think the last time Nadal played at Valencia was in 2005, when Valencia was still a clay event. It will be an indoor hard court event starting this year, all the more Nadal will not play as he does not like indoor hardcourt event. Exception to this: Rotterdam; Paris Masters - mandatory, and the year end WTF.

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comment by NFK (U12534714)

posted Oct 29, 2009

Both look excellent events to be honest. I would have thought Valencia would be slightly the more intriguing with the marginally stronger field, but the Swiss crowds in Basel are always good and with two of the top 3 playing, competition is good. You've got to fancy Murray in Valencia - when fit and playing well, he's good enough to beat any of those guys in the draw, especially on a HC that will probably be quite slow. Fed always does well in Basel, unlike many of the other smaller events on tour his heart's always in it. The courts there are probably the quickest around, which also favours his game over most players nowadays.

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posted Oct 29, 2009

belovedluckyboy

Why did Nadal play at Beijing, and not Valencia, which is in his own country? And why doesn't Nadal like playing at Madrid? Doesn't he love Madrid? He's a Real Madrid supporter.

Furthermore, why doesn't Nadal like indoor hardcourt events? After all, I often hear about Nadal being an all-court player and an even better all-court player than Federer. Some Nadal fans say that Nadal "owns" Federer on all courts. So why doesn't Nadal like indoor hardcourt events? He can beat Federer on all courts, even fast indoor hardcourt events, can't he?

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posted Oct 29, 2009

Cheers for the 5 stars BLE and such :)

One stars will appear even if you write a modern masterpiece, but they are actually better than no rating, I'd say articles should be rated by their volume of stars y'know?

That aside, GJ, no sources saying Sod's pulled out, where did you hear it from?

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comment by Bourne (U3020163)

posted Oct 29, 2009

He is definitely out of Valencia, unconfirmed re Paris.

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posted Oct 30, 2009

LoveFifteen

Nadal played at Beijing instead of Valencia because 1) he prefers playing outdoors than indoors 2) he likes to play in Asia too. In fact he was supposed to play in Bangkok, followed by Beijing and then Shanghai. He had to withdraw from Bangkok because he was still recovering from his abdominal muscle tear. As to why he does not like playing in Madrid, I think he had already mentioned that due to Madrid's altitude, it would not be a good tournament to prepare for the FO. He had stopped playing at Valencia after 2005 and so its not surprising that he is not playing there this year.

As to Nadal 'owning' Fed on 'all courts', sorry I would not like to comment on that. Players have their own preferences, I'm sure if you were to ask Fed about his preferred surfaces, he would list grass and hardcourts over clay. For Nadal, it would be clay, grass and than outdoor hard courts over indoor hard courts. Dont ask me why, for I'm not Nadal, neither am I his spoke person. You have to ask Nadal himself for the reason.

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posted Oct 30, 2009

LoveFifteen,

I'm not quite sure where you're trying to get with your constant questions about why Rafa doesn't play in Valencia. I don't think it's because of your disappointment of not seeing him play. If he was playing,you would probably condemn him for playing "too much",so I don't know what your point is.

As for the article,I'm gonna watch both of them of course but I think Valencia could be much more exciting as the winner could be much more than few players.

Also sad about Sod,such a shame for him after a good season <ok>

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posted Oct 30, 2009

Sister, like you I think Valencia is more exciting due to players competing for the final two spots for the year end championships. I would like to watch Valencia more than Basel, but over here I have no choice as they only show the Basel tournament, unless I watch using some internet streams. I think Basel final should be between Fed and Djoko and I dont expect any surprises in Basel. I'll probably do score board watching for Valencia, I hope Davy and Verdasco can qualify for the final two spots for YEC, and hoping against hope that Simon can do something within these three weeks to move back to top ten, preferably no.9 so he can go to London as a stand by for players there.

I like Simon, after Nadal and Davy, as he is one player that despite not having much weapons, uses his tennis brain well and maximises the use of his talents to be where he is now. Quite an achievement in fact, considering all those hard hitting and big serving players around nowadays.

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posted Oct 30, 2009

No point Nadal playing Valencia - he's completed his 500 obligation and could only improve his worst score - 180 at Beijing - so only 320 possible even by winning - and its not his fav. conditions.

Personally I'm glad to see some scheduling and hpefully he'll be on top form for Paris and London.

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posted Nov 1, 2009

although basel has more top 5 players, valencia has more top 10 players. i think the finals for both will be:
Roger Federer def. Novak Djokovic
Andy Murray def. Jo Wilifried-Tsonga

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posted Nov 2, 2009

Can't see Andy M managing to get near the final.......
He's admitted himself that he's not back to 100%, which is probably good enough to beat many opponents, but not enough to beat the Valencia field.
Hope his wrist is fixed.

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posted Nov 3, 2009

murray just made it through round 1

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posted Nov 3, 2009

I can't see Murray winning Valencia after 6 weeks out of competitive play. It says on the report aswell that he is still having ice treatment on his wrist which is a bit worrying. If it is still troubling him after this long it must be pretty serious. On the other hand I can't see him playing if there was any risk of making it worse since he has made it clear that the O2 is his priority for the end of this season. Has anyone heard anymore about the injury or is it just the reporters talking rubbish?
I will pick Davydenko for the winner of Valencia since he is in great form at the moment and he really wants to secure that O2 spot.
For Basle it has to be Fed. He loves playing in front of his home crowd and I can't see anyone stopping him making another title.

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comment by slasher (U7328591)

posted Nov 4, 2009

Federer to win in Basel, though could be a tight final against djokovic if they both get there. Djokovic is in pretty good form these days. Hence number 3 in world rankings. Also nearly lost his last tournament (only losing in final tiebreaker to in form davydenko).

Davydenko or Tsonga to win in valencia

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comment by Bourne (U3020163)

posted Nov 4, 2009

"Also nearly lost his last tournament"

Yep ...

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comment by slasher (U7328591)

posted Nov 4, 2009


obviously I meant he nearly won his last tournament, which he did. Dont think anybody could deny that davydenko played out of his skin in that final.

Fact is djokovic is the 3rd best player in the world behind fed and nadal so naturally one would expect him to give fed a tough match in the final. He has beaten federer a couple of times this year.

I think djokovic might win his second grand slam next year, if he keeps up with the progress he has made in recent months he could definitely do it. In the mean time, he will want to defend the Masters Cup crown, which is an achievement in itself

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comment by Bourne (U3020163)

posted Nov 4, 2009

He didn't make the final, not really that close.

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comment by aidan (U14161434)

posted Nov 6, 2009

How unlucky can tsonga get he is one of the best talents in tennis and is 1 of th better players in th top 20,
he can beat nadal, murray n djokovic
Why isnt Nadal playin aty theese tournaments?

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comment by Bourne (U3020163)

posted Nov 8, 2009

"But there's no chance whatsoever that both Murray and Federer will win ..."

Still no chance :) Murray was class this week, very workmanlike performances, gutsed out a couple of wins. Djokovic coming into this on good form, Federer had too many losses against him in the past to just turn up and win. Probably fancy Federer to up his level next week.

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