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posted Oct 4, 2009

He is the greatest ever....No Doubts

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posted Oct 4, 2009

before him no horse has ever won the guineas derby and arc in the same year FACT The greatest

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posted Oct 4, 2009

In your opinion wallace:-).I beg to differ.Its a shame we will never know.But hes up there with the best.I really hope he doesnt go to america,he has nothing to gain(hes by far the best horse in the world)and it wouldnt cement his position anymore, as the american horses are a very mediocre bunch

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comment by Hoody (U12642650)

posted Oct 4, 2009

he is the best ever - as famous says, the ONLY horse to win 3 of the most prestigous races in the same season is something that i would doubt i will see again

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posted Oct 4, 2009

He is the greatest in my opinion.

No Doubts....The Greatest Irish Trained Flat Horse from anyone.

Great stuff <stout>

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comment by Redman (U9884310)

posted Oct 4, 2009

I felt privlieged to watch Nashwan at his best 20 years ago.

I also got to see Sea the Stars win the Derby this year. After today he is undoubtedly the greatest racehorse I have ever seen.

This is almost a once in a lifetime day.
Won loads, Arsenal won 6-2, for me at least the greatest sports day of all time! <biggrin>

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posted Oct 4, 2009

Erm... just abt better than Dancing Brave (We must remeber he won a Guineas & Eclipse) - Just a great horse, def best Irish horse of all time, must agree with Wallace!!

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posted Oct 4, 2009

Dancingbraveforever: What on earth do you need to see? There is no point in taking him to America, no point at all. Sea The Stars has done the lot. Thought I'd seen the best ever in 1965 with Sea Bird II, but now I have to sleep on it! I ain't worried about it, just glad I stayed around long enough to have had the privilege of seeing this great racehorse too, even though this time it was just on TV!
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posted Oct 4, 2009

if he wins in america i will put him level with SIR HAYDN ;)

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posted Oct 4, 2009

The fact is the breeders cup is not the challenge it was it used to be the european going over to take on the us horses on dirt but the fact is i can't see anything to beat him in the classic and his critics will never accept how good this horse actually is because that would mean they were wrong all i will say is this the great coolmore have thrown their best tactics and there best horses at him but still they can't beat him accept it he is the finest speciman of the thouroughbred we have ever seen! HAVE YOU SEEN THE STARS I HAVE

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posted Oct 4, 2009

I agree with some of the comments about Sea the Stars going to race in America. Personally I don't think it necessary, I know a lot of money can be made in the breeding shed in America but are the American breeders really interested in a horse that isn't a sprinter? And as I understand the lucky young owner intends for the horse to stand at the Irish National Stud, so what is the point. What a terrible loss it would be if he got injured, remember George Washington!

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posted Oct 4, 2009

Dancingbraveforever: What on earth do you need to see? There is no point in taking him to America, no point at all. Sea The Stars has done the lot. Thought I'd seen the best ever in 1965 with Sea Bird II, but now I have to sleep on it! I ain't worried about it, just glad I stayed around long enough to have had the privilege of seeing this great racehorse too, even though this time it was just on TV!
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Er Eagle didnt i say it would be pointless going to the BC with him?

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posted Oct 4, 2009

Dancingbrave: Sincere apologies! Was so excited after the race obviously couldn't "read" straight. Now calmed down a bit. That's exactly what you said. Sorry again! <doh>

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posted Oct 4, 2009

Well done to John Oxx on handling the best
horse trained in the British Isles in my
lifetime,the Arkle of middle distance racehorses.
Could become one of the Worlds best if
he wins the Breeders Cup.

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posted Oct 4, 2009

Could become one of the Worlds best if
he wins the Breeders Cup.


<laugh><laugh><laugh>


You are joking right??


He is the best,he's the greatest middle distance horse ever!!

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posted Oct 4, 2009

Congratulations, to an amazing horse.
My top rankings in order:
SeaBirdII
Ribot
Sea the Stars
Mill Reef
Nijinsky
Brigadier Gerard
PS. Do NOT send him to the Breeders Cup!

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posted Oct 4, 2009

"Erm... just abt better than Dancing Brave (We must remeber he won a Guineas & Eclipse)"

He also won a King George and was beaten a sh-hd in the Derby, not to mention the time he ran the last two furlongs in in the Arc.

It pains me to say it but I probably would put STS above DB, maybe level with Ribot but just behind Sea Bird II. Just!!

Hope he stays in training but doubt it.

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posted Oct 4, 2009

He has certainly earned his place at the top table of European trained horses since the War.Sublime performance today and horses around the placings give the form a very solid look.Imo hes on a par with Dancing Brave and Mill Reef as the best colt in their Classic season since the immortal Sea Bird.Wonderful effort by John Oxx and all his team and a "balls of steel" ride by MK to go up the inner when it looked like a dead end.If he does go Stateside then i just hope he puts up his true running and doesnt flatten out a la Dancing Brave.

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comment by NJS -- (U14083218)

posted Oct 4, 2009

I don't think Sea the Stars should go to
America for the Breeders'Cup either.

He's too valuable now and too many horses
break down in the races for the Breeders' Cup.

Can't get over how much he looks like the
great Ribot!
Although that horse is not in his pedigree.

1 Sea Bird
2 Ribot
3 Brigadier Gerard
4 Mill Reef
6 Sea the Stars
7 Nijinsky
8 Vaguely Noble
9 Nashwan
0 Crepello

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posted Oct 4, 2009

Pantverdant

Well done to John Oxx on handling the best
horse trained in the British Isles.
<laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh>

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comment by vicenz (U14161314)

posted Oct 4, 2009

Nijinsky...it has to be. The only real test he had was in the Arc! And it was Lester's fault because he gave him too much to do. Very unlike Laster i know....he was normally a great judge of pace. Watch the race on you tube. It would have been great to see the 2 of them race.

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comment by IceK66 (U14136429)

posted Oct 4, 2009

Sea The Stars is a legend, without doubt the greatest ever. the Breeders cup is a formality,let him take his chance. He cuts through the best like a Knife through butter.

Let's not knock the opposition, this years horses are the best bunch this century, Just remeber Aidens comment on Rip Van Winkle, saying that it is the best horse he has trained, and look what happened 2 him against Sea the Stars!!!

enuff said!!!!!!

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posted Oct 4, 2009

Breeders Cup is in California a long plane ride away and is on dirt. Don't ask the horse to go to the well too many times, he deserves better. Let him go to the paddocks as an unbeaten three year old He is much better than Dancing Brave, who lost the Derby and never won the 2 thousand Guineas. See the Stars is outstanding and has a wonderful,relaxed temperament. The racing world needs a super star and at last we have one.

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comment by NJS -- (U14083218)

posted Oct 4, 2009

Stop press:

I would like to revise my list...Dancing Brave
should be 8th on my list, just behind Nijinsky!

Alright Jude?!! <biggrin>

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posted Oct 4, 2009

"Dancing Brave, who lost the Derby and never won the 2 thousand Guineas"

Oh dear, oh dear, if you don't know what your talking about, at least do your homework, or you end up looking very STUPID.
If he didn't win the 2000 Guineas, maybe you could enlighten me who indeed did in 1986??

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posted Oct 4, 2009

Dayjur must be included near the top of any list of the greatest of all time. He's right up there with SB, Ribot, DB and STS.

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posted Oct 4, 2009

Don't think you've overestimated this horse NJS. I'd be surprised if Mill Reef could have beaten him. Don't think we'll find out how good he is.
A few people on here have said how good F&G is and how 12f would be the test. I'm afraid F&G was nowhere today. To rate him within 5lb of StS was ridiculous.
Great to see such a good horse win and keep winning.

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posted Oct 4, 2009

posted 30 Minutes Ago

Breeders Cup is in California a long plane ride away and is on dirt. Don't ask the horse to go to the well too many times, he deserves better. Let him go to the paddocks as an unbeaten three year old He is much better than Dancing Brave, who lost the Derby and never won the 2 thousand Guineas. See the Stars is outstanding and has a wonderful,relaxed temperament. The racing world needs a super star and at last we have one.

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As far as i know,it'll be run on a synthetic surface like last year and not on dirt<ok>

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comment by Bigpad (U4534602)

posted Oct 4, 2009

great performance and is this year's star; but what's the quality of the field he beat?

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comment by vicenz (U14161314)

posted Oct 4, 2009

What was the winning time today? Anyone know

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posted Oct 4, 2009

TBH its impossible to compare, all I know is it is without a doubt the best I've seen in the flesh.

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posted Oct 4, 2009

bigpad69,

2:26:30

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posted Oct 4, 2009

Very very good, this horse. I remember Brigadier Gerard, who I think is the best horse I ever saw, easy winner over Mill Reef in the Guineas, good enough to win a King George at 12 furlongs, sensational. And I loved Nijinsky, who was electric. But this fellow is better than Nijinsky, I think, and maybe in the BG class. I wpouldn't be surprised to see timeform give him 142, and I think he's worth it.

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posted Oct 4, 2009

Well considering youmzain placed 2nd 3 times in a row today's field similar to last 2 runnings..He beat youmzain by further than Dylan thomas and by a similar margin as Zarkava, although she was receiving the fillies allowance. As for the guy who thought Dancing Brave didn't win a Guineas, know your facts as DBF said.

So where does this horse stand in the all time pantheon ? Nijinsky, Dancing Brave and Mill Reef all just failed to do the Guineas-Derby-Arc treble. STS didn't so you have to put him just ahead of those 3. Sea bird was before my time but was clearly exceptional but neither he nor Ribot won a group 1 over a mile. The Brigadier was probably the best miler in history but didn't run in the Derby or the Arc. My view is the Brigadier would beat him over a mile and Sea bird would have too much speed for him over 12f but for sheer all round ability, this horse is the complete package.

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posted Oct 4, 2009

posted 3 Minutes Ago

Arc winning times


SEA BIRD II 2.35.5

STS 2.26.3


Only 9.2 seconds quicker.....how many lengths would that of been??????????

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comment by vicenz (U14161314)

posted Oct 4, 2009

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posted Oct 4, 2009

In response to a comment in the quality of the field he beat, if I'm right, the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th placed horses are all Group One winners...

I agree with some posters in not sending him stateside to run in the Breeders Cup - he's got nothing more to prove, and could just be one race too many...

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comment by vicenz (U14161314)

posted Oct 4, 2009

A point toremember is that his time is some 2 secs off the fastest time set in 1997. Today's race was run in almost perfect conditions for Sea The Stars. There was even a strong wind following all down the straight.And it was a very fast pace set by pacemakers.

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comment by malmont (U4577147)

posted Oct 4, 2009

Dancing Brave beat 7 group 1 winners, but STS is certainly the best since then and we will never know who would have beat who if they were to have raced, 2 wonderful horses.

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posted Oct 4, 2009

There were a total of nine G1 winners in opposition today. 2nd through six as mentioned, plus stacelita, vision d'etat, getaway and the brazilian horse.

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posted Oct 5, 2009

very good perfofmance but beating youmzain by 2 lenghts does not make sts a alltime great
i think the 3yos are very average this year

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posted Oct 5, 2009

very good perfofmance but beating youmzain by 2 lenghts does not make sts a alltime great

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Winning a 2,000 Guineas,Derby,Coral Eclipse,Juddmonte Internattional,Irish Champion Stakes & an Arc does though!

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posted Oct 5, 2009

This performance in the arc was breathtaking if you consider STS's position 1000m out.If
some of this years 3-y-o
beatenby this magnificent
equine athlete,train on
next year they will
probably prove a vintage
crop.

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posted Oct 5, 2009

Why don't you all stop comparing STS with past horses and cherish a star of now instead of griping?

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posted Oct 5, 2009

okay sts won all them races against rubbish horses , all sts races this year on good ground
truly great horses win on all types of ground
dancing brave still the best imo

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posted Oct 5, 2009

^^^^^Wrong

Irish champion stakes???


The horse has np problems with going,he's won on heavy ground<doh>

Why would Oxx run him on bottomless ground when,he has lots of races in store and a long season ahead???

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posted Oct 5, 2009

Sea The Stars beat winners yesterday that won the races below.


Prix Vermeille G1

Prince of Wales Stakes G1

Prix de Diane G1

Prix Ganay G1

Prix du Jockey Club G1

St Leger G1

Breeders Cup Turf G1

King George VI & QE2 Stakes G1

Preis Von Europa G1

Grand Prix du Saint Cloud G1

Yorkshire Oaks G1

Pretty Polly Stakes G1

Irish Derby G1

Deutchland-Preis G1

Preis Von Baden G1

Grande Premio De Jockey Club G1

Grand Prix De Paris G1

Prix Saint- Alary G1

Numerous G2 & G3 winners and a horse that was twice previously runner up in the Arc.

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posted Oct 5, 2009

dancing brave beat green desert in 2000 gs
sts beat delegator in 2000gs
dancing brave beat bering in arc
sts beat youmzain in arc
say no more

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posted Oct 5, 2009

No mention of Sharastani?

Say no more<laugh>

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posted Oct 5, 2009

Galaxy forget it,theres no way people are going to accept the achievements of STS.The horse could smash more records and people would still have a reason as to why it still wasnt as good as this horses effort or that horses effort.For instance check out this thread http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A58000853 When you have managed to stop laughing at the humorous content its clear that the people hoping that STS did not win at the weekend have a nasty taste of disappointment in their mouths!

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