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Safina loses in second round of Tokyo

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posted Sep 28, 2009

i dont mind safina, she looked good at wimbledon but sometimes she does look awfull, i prefer dulko and ivanovic, lovely form them pair.

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posted Sep 28, 2009

Sharapova is the best
loveblush

Shame she's not very good at tennis these days.

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posted Sep 28, 2009

the way womens tennis has gone, its really poor, if it wasnt for them 3 and caroline wozanski or whatever her name is id stop watching tennis completely

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posted Sep 28, 2009

Same here bezzaraiok

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posted Sep 28, 2009

hopefully theres a genius player coming soon but i also hope shes very attractive too lol

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posted Sep 28, 2009

Don't give up hope bezzarai, Sharapova was only 16 when she won wimbledon.

It could happen at any timecheers

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posted Sep 28, 2009

Do you think there is a problem in women's tennis outside the court?

How many times have we seen a young freshfaced eager women enter a slam at 16/17 and win it..... Maria, Martina etc

Only for her game to eventually suffer and her career slide when she should be getting better.

Is it the media attention, the money, the corporate circus, too much fluff work outside the game (adverts etc). Or is simply getting to comfortable?

Any thoughts

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posted Sep 28, 2009

sharapova keeps injuring herself, and martina was just amazing by far my fave tennis player ever, apart from fred perry but thats just because i wear the clothes alot lol

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posted Sep 28, 2009

Wouldnt say Martina's game deteriorated.

Problem is too many young ball bashers with little variety and no "plan B"

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posted Sep 28, 2009

bezzari, "genius" is not an adjective.

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posted Sep 28, 2009

in the area of england im from its used alot in a slang term so its not perfect english, i apologise again for typing the way i talk, im sorry this feed is so boring you have to correct me on my grammar

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posted Sep 28, 2009

When I heard she lost in the 2nd round, I wasn't suprised. I was only suprised at the name of the Taiwanese girl, which oddly resembles Chiang Kai-Shek! yikes

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posted Sep 28, 2009

does anyone know if kate o'brien is a photographer/artist aswell as a tennis player? just searched for her and theres alternative paintings and photography, alot of it and a few pics of her playing tennis, does anyone know?

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posted Sep 28, 2009

i apologise again for typing the way i talk
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Dont apologise - your meaning was clear, which is what counts on a "message board". smiley

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posted Sep 28, 2009

BBC stated it's shock loss, it's not even shocking! Anyone who seem her tennis past few months will expect this news! I really hope there will be new change of system for world ranking that only those who had won grand slam will get number one ranking!

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posted Sep 28, 2009

i apologise again for typing the way i talk
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Dont apologise - your meaning was clear, which is what counts on a "message board".
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cheers duggie mate

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posted Sep 28, 2009

only those who had won grand slam will get number one ranking!
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I will just leave this nomination for 'most stupid 606 comment' for all to see smiley

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posted Sep 28, 2009

a foreigner, i second that

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comment by C2 (U9956155)

posted Sep 28, 2009

"I will just leave this nomination for 'most stupid 606 comment' for all to see"

You might be surprised (or perhaps you wouldn't) at how many inane, nonsensical, psycho-babble spouting posters support such an imbecilic proposition.

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posted Sep 28, 2009

You might be surprised (or perhaps you wouldn't) at how many inane, nonsensical, psycho-babble spouting posters support such an imbecilic proposition.
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then dont get involved with posts that you believe to be like that

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posted Sep 28, 2009

I agree the only shock would be if a woman player in the top 10 actually lived up to their rankings or even won a tournament. The standard in women's is abysmal compared to the men. Let's hope Clijsters and Henin returning will up the level, they are obviously doing it because they know they will win lots!

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posted Sep 28, 2009

It's a shame actually. It appears that Safina may suffer from the same mental frailties that Marat does.

When they're on, they're really on, but all this talk about her appears to have really affected her and instead of getting her head down and thinking "I'll show you", she seems scared of failure.

Not good for a top athlete. Perhaps in reality we are seeing the real Safina and the one that won lots of tournaments over the last 18 months was just a player having a fine run of form, but one that couldn't be sustained.

I do not believe (like I don't for Jankovic) that she will ever win a GS.

Seems odd to write off such a young player, but like all my criticism of her before, I do not believe she is player with enough variety or quality to win a slam.

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posted Sep 28, 2009

comment by 5slips2gullys (U6722321)
posted 41 Minutes Ago

I agree the only shock would be if a woman player in the top 10 actually lived up to their rankings or even won a tournament.
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and we have another 'most stupid 606 comment' nomination right here.

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posted Sep 28, 2009

and to think there was a brief moment, where I liked Safina as a player.

Think she is a woman worrier .. and worried about Clijsters and now also Henin coming back.

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posted Sep 28, 2009

I wish people would stop bashing women's tennis. It's much more attractive to watch than men's tennis: flairsome power, better rallies, and the way they tend to stand inside the baseline rather than 15 feet behind it.

There's much more depth in women's tennis than men's these days, and the current power-vacuum only makes it exciting as we wait to see which young players will fill it in the next couple of years.

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posted Sep 28, 2009

Andrewbroad

Which championships have you been watching??

The last 2 wimbledons have been epic, as have many of the Male slams.

I certainly don't find straight sets finals wins in less than an hour particularly interesting, that's become the norm in the women's game.

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posted Sep 28, 2009

Andrewbroad- if a woman has been out of the game for 20months, and wins a slam in only her 3rd tourney, it doesnt say a lot about depth. And dont you ever wonder why, since the women stand so much closer, they treat the net like quicksand? Can anyone answer that honestly!! A womans match has no amazing retrieving, no wonder shot, no tactical variety. So what are you smoking?

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posted Sep 28, 2009

Navratilova on serve problems/scene at US Open/womens tennis:-
"It's technical, and then it becomes mental," she says. "When the weather's good, you're O.K.; but when the hurricane comes, the house crumbles—and the Grand Slams are the hurricane."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160016/index.htm


In the Grand Slams, some of the scorelines in recent years (though not necessarily telling the whole story) may say something about the standard/gap between even the players meeting in a final.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Grand_Slam_Women%27s_Singles_finals


A player who comes out of retirement (after possibly getting a taste for it again after the exhibition match with Henman vs Graf-Agassi) and wins a Slam so soon, plus the poor standard in womens tennis in week 1 of any Slam, plus the easy straight sets wins in final, it all compares less favorably with mens side.
Maybe best of 5 sets? But if best of 3 is already so difficult...

Wish they had more variety in game - since Navratiloa and Novotna, we don't see much of serve and volley. Maybe María José Martínez Sánchez? How many? Most are grunting baseliners...not much variety...seem clones from a floridian academy.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/usopen09/news/story?id=4446252

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posted Sep 28, 2009

"There's much more depth in women's tennis than men's these days"

WHAT??? You cannot be serious.
Ahh..... thinking about it, I suspect you weren't being. Most people missed your little joke.

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comment by em614 (U11929459)

posted Sep 28, 2009

I saw this quote on the article and thought you were being sarcastic.

She'll never win a slam. She has to win at smaller tournaments.

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posted Sep 28, 2009

"There's much more depth in women's tennis than men's these days"

is this a joke or what?

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comment by shivfan (U2435266)

posted Sep 29, 2009

Once again, a thread on women's tennis is overrun by posters who persist in deriding it....
doh
If you don't like women's tennis that much, why don't you find a thread on men's tennis to post on?
erm

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posted Sep 29, 2009

People are perfectly entitle to state why they believe womens tennis is suffering at the moment. That is what discussion boards are for. These aren't advretising sites on which you have to like evrything.

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comment by shivfan (U2435266)

posted Sep 29, 2009

In that case, FH2, you will find plenty of wums on the tennis MB for you to identify with....
laugh

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posted Sep 29, 2009

Talking about how short and unentertaining many women's matches have been recently and how much the top players have underperformed deosn't make people WUMS, it makes them tennis fans asking questions of the game.

Sorry that we don't agree with you but doesn't make us wrong

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comment by shivfan (U2435266)

posted Sep 29, 2009

That's a matter of opinion, FH2, and one I'll be happy to see we disagree on....
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posted Sep 29, 2009

shivfan

As someone who persists on telling everyone else what to think regarding the womens game, you are far more of a wum than most. You are aware that people see things differently?

If you want a thread where everyone agrees I'd suggest what you're looking for is fansites, not a discussion board.

And just so we're clear: you ARE WRONG about the current state of women's tennis. We are not being sexist, misogynistic, or whatever else you'd like to label us. Most of us are long time tennis fans and have followed it through some very good times for women's tennis.

Unfortunately for you, the general feeling of 606 is reciprocated in the wider tennis media. Most current commentators and journalists lament the poor standards of the women's game. What, we're all wrong and you on your lonesome stand atop us all, the voice of reason, correct?

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comment by C2 (U9956155)

posted Sep 29, 2009

"Most current commentators and journalists lament the poor standards of the women's game.."

They are clearly nonentities and know-nothings, pining almost always for the dead past.
All anyone has to do is turn to ES right now, right at this very moment as I type.
JJ/Sabine Lisicki.
Talent overflowing in all departments.
Power, movement, attacking, counter-attacking play and much, much more from two of today's (as opposed to yesterdays) great young players.

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comment by shivfan (U2435266)

posted Sep 29, 2009

Yes, Left Ear, been there, done that, yawn....

Play a new record, will you? This is terribly boring.
erm
On threads about women's tennis, let the likes of conosu and I discuss the sport, and please take your whining and whinging elsewhere. Oh yes, and please take FH2 with you!
laugh

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posted Sep 29, 2009

One swallow........

It doesn't mean the womens game is in a good condition at the moment.

You only need to look at the lack of competitive matches (i.e close 3 set games) seen this year the rest of the top players consistently underperforming and the dire 45 minute wipouts we have seen far too many times in many tournaments recently to see all this.

I don't think this is a case of nostalgia. It is a response to the the results and matches coming out of the womens game over the past 18 months

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posted Sep 29, 2009

Shiv, not sure what your problem is but you obviously have some issues with anyone who doesn't agree with you so maybe these sites aren't the best place to hang out. Your within your rights to offer your opinion but you don't seem to have learnt how to deal with opposition yet.

You do very well in turning every thread you post on into a slanging match.

I will continue to post my views on subjects I wish to post them on and won't be told I am wrong or be asked to leave by someone with an over inflated sense of self importance.

have a nice afternoon

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posted Sep 29, 2009

Lisicki is a good looking player actually conosu, I'll give you that. She appears to have more to her game than just smacking it as hard as possible.

There are a few decent players out there, but too many matches follow the same pattern and it is frustrating to see so many u/e's in every match.

U/E's are of course prevalent in men's tennis, but not to the same level, although a couple of the matches at the USO were dreadful on the men's side as well.

JJ's retrieving is always impressive (not as good as C-Woz's smiley) but she has been found out by the better players because she lacks a real offensive weapon.

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comment by Ginger (U9105878)

posted Sep 29, 2009

I think the womens game is in a right state at the moment and having a number 1 who hasn't won a slam is just odd!

That said it is good to see the comebacks and Kim's win at the Open was fabulous.

I watched a few good games also at the Open (on TV) and there was a few good games. Needs more though, I agree that there are too many 6-1 6-0.

Ginger.

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posted Sep 29, 2009

I feel the need to second fh on this as well.

shivfan

Just who do you think you are telling us what we can think and say about women's tennis? If you think what we're saying is wrong, present a case to the contrary. Don't just spout nonsense and tell us we're wrong simply because it conflicts with your own view.

I humbly suggest you stick to the athletics board, a place you admitted is less antagonistic then here. On the tennis forum, people have strong opinions. There's nothing wrong with that, but if you are offended by someone offering a contradictory view, don't expect people to lie down and take it when you tell us we're flat out wrong and wums for backing up our opinions with evidence and supporting cases.

fh has stated quite clearly why he/she feels the current womens game is weak. You have presented no such case to explain why you feel it is strong. Instead you have just told us we're clueless and spoiling the thread (which incidentally is a thread specifically written to discuss the fact that the current No1 is failing to beat much weaker opponents at the moment).

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posted Sep 29, 2009

i have refused to be drawn into any arguments about the depth of the women game. When Goran Ivanisevic came back to win Wimbledon in 2001 as a wild card, was that due to the depth of the men's game?.

I quite agree that the matches seem to be shorter and there's no real rivalry, i will put that down to injury to key players like Sharapova, the Williams Sisters never taking anything seriously outside of the Grand Slams & the retirement of Henin. When Clijsters was playing, apart from the US Open in 2005, she was not as consistent as the likes of Mauresmo, Sharapova & Henin.

If Masha can overcome her shoulder/serving problems, we all know she'a a very hardworking & committed young woman, who despite all the glamour outside of tennis, has kept her head in place and won several tournaments including 3 Grand Slam titles. No one should ever castigate her, before her shoulder problems started in 2007, she was one of the most consistent players on the tour & got to the latter staged of tournaments.

The return of Henin & Clijsters & the return to form of Masha, plus the rising talents such as Wozniacki as well the evergreen William Sisters will make 2010 season very interesting.

On the men's side, what do you consider as "Depth"?, that only two players have dominated in the last 6 seasons. Bewteen 2004 & 2009, 24 Grand Slam tournaments have been played and between Roger & Rafa, they have won 20, and you call that "Depth", please spare us!!!

What's better, to know who will play in the finals (men) of a tournament or not to know (women)?

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posted Sep 29, 2009

but look how hard Fed and Rafa still had to work for these victories...? Wimbledon 08 and 09 finals were unreal.

Just because the spread of winners in the slams is small doesn't mean there is no depth. The mens side is crammed full of high quality players pushing each other all the way. You only need to see the number of 5 setters to realise that it's no easy path.

You make excellent points regarding the positive outlook of the 2010 season.... but these are all if's and but's and when's. If we are talking about right now, or at least about the 09 season. I don't think anyone can argue that this was a positive or glowing advertisement for Women's tennis.


And actually I would rather watch a high quality tournament with maybe a winner I expected (who would likely have to have played incredible tennis esp in the slams) than a low quality womens tournament which was actually lost by someone playing poorly rather than won by a great player). Especially when the final is over in 50 minutes!

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posted Sep 29, 2009

"When Clijsters was playing, apart from the US Open in 2005, she was not as consistent as the likes of Mauresmo, Sharapova & Henin."

No, this is wrong. She was World No1 long before she won the USO in 2005. She won 34 titles before retiring. Sharapova totalled 17 weeks at No1, Clijsters 19. She and Henin swapped the No1 spot twice in 2003, when Henin went on to her first long run.

Clijsters was one of the most consistent performers on the tour and the very same criticisms that are being levelled at Safina were at her, but she backed it up by finally winning that GS. She was a losing finalist on 3 other occasions, all to Henin.

The WTA rewards consistency over Slam wins. In many people's opinions that skews the rankings.

Mens tennis. You make the points that the slams have been dominated by two people, which is correct. That is not down to lack of depth. Some of the matches at QF and SF, especially in the last 3 years have been simply stunning. I cannot say the same about the womens.

It's funny, simply because we don't like the current style of play and feel the quality is poor, we are in some way being unfair. I used to prefer womens tennis to mens in the late 80's and 90's because by and large the matches were better, more interesting affairs.

So am I now being unfair to the men of the time? No. The women's game today does not match up to the men's. This is not a comparison to the womens game from the era I mention (that is a seperate debate), but to the mens game of today.

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