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posted Jul 20, 2009

but there is a classy way of doing that.

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Ferguson isn't exactly classy in his treatment of his players, is he? Remember when he threatened to throw Ronaldo into the reserves? Remember his treatment of RVN? Stam? Beckham?

This article wouldn't have anything to do with sour grapes, would it?

2-0 in Rome rather quashed your dreams of a quintuple, quadruple, World's Greatest Team, or whatever.

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posted Jul 20, 2009

I disagree.

The one thing all of them players have in common, is that they were at the top and then once they left they never looked anywhere near as good again.

All those players are examples of players that get carried away with their status as a world class player.

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posted Jul 20, 2009

Ferguson isn't exactly classy in his treatment of his players, is he? Remember when he threatened to throw Ronaldo into the reserves? Remember his treatment of RVN? Stam? Beckham?

This article wouldn't have anything to do with sour grapes, would it?

2-0 in Rome rather quashed your dreams of a quintuple, quadruple, World's Greatest Team, or whatever.
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not at all, Barca was the better team and desrved to win.
I was not happy with the way Stam and Beckham were treated but RVN brought on to himself

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posted Jul 20, 2009

The list of players who were mistreated by is very long but the ones that come to mind, Romario, Rivaldo, Kluivert, Ronaldinho, Deco and now Etoo.
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Care to elaborate on this? <whistle>

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posted Jul 20, 2009

All of those players thought they were bigger than the club. They just have happened to have managers who take poo from nobody <smiley>

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posted Jul 20, 2009

Why bring United into it? Did the OP mention United?

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posted Jul 20, 2009

requelmi the argie

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posted Jul 20, 2009

Romario, Rivaldo, Kluivert, Ronaldinho, Deco

All of these player proved that Barcelona were right to show them the door.

And what exactly is this "classy way of doing that"? SAF hasn't always showed much class when kicking players out of OT but I don't care. He had his reasons to kick out those players and it was the same thing with Barca. Why should you show class to a player whom you kick out?

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posted Jul 20, 2009

look at what all the players did after barca
then you'll realise why they "mistreated them"

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posted Jul 20, 2009

RVE: explain how the players you mention were "mistreated". And how much do you know about Eto'o's behaviour while he has been with the club?

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posted Jul 20, 2009

Bunburyist

You seem a little bitter yourself, i wonder why?

<ok>

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posted Jul 20, 2009

Many player underperform and have troubles in their personal life but that doesnt mean u drop them under the bus. Inter Milan stood by Adriano till the end and they were willing to wait. Real Madird are always honorable to their players, Raul, Roberto Carlos, Zidane.
Sir Alex may have mishandled the situation with Stam and Beckham but he is still faithful to Scholes, Giggs and Neville.
Barca doesnt look like the type that supports their players when they are trouble.
In regards to Etoo, all ex Barca players are coming to his defence and the guy give 100% when he playing

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posted Jul 20, 2009

Only the the catalans will get the treatment they deserve, evreyone else is desposed of when no longer needed.

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posted Jul 20, 2009

Always,

Bitter? Sure. Probably better to call it schadenfreude, which would adequately describe my feeling when I watched United lose to Barca in Rome. All that bragging and posturing from United fans and their players, and in the end it just looked like boys against men. <ok>

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posted Jul 20, 2009

Barcelona are Euorpean Champions, they can do what they want to be fair lol!

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posted Jul 20, 2009

'Real Madird are always honorable to their players, Raul, Roberto Carlos, Zidane. '

What about Perez with Makalele?
What about Calderon with Beckham?

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posted Jul 20, 2009

"Barca doesn't look like the type of club that support their players when they are trouble".
So you think if a player causes trouble he deserves support?

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posted Jul 20, 2009

Real Madird are always honorable to their players, Raul, Roberto Carlos, Zidane.
Sir Alex may have mishandled the situation with Stam and Beckham but he is still faithful to Scholes, Giggs and Neville.
Barca doesnt look like the type that supports their players when they are trouble.
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When have those players been in trouble? <erm>
You can also name hundreds of players who played at Barca until they were either past it or retired, that's just what you've done.

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posted Jul 20, 2009

well i have to disagree with some of them. if reports are to be believed, wasent ronaldinho a ledley king type player, who never trained, and not due to his injury he just went out a lot. didnt respect the club

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posted Jul 20, 2009

I don't understand the comments here. What has Eto'o done to Barca other than scoring goals for them???? Has he misbehaved off field that you have heard about? All they say is he is a great competitor who wants to play and win all the time. What is wrong with that?

When Pep became coach he said point blank to Eto'O I don't need you and I don't want you. Eto'O stayed 1 season and became the team's top scorer last season, Here we go again. And someone name me one thing that Eto'O has actually done to deserve such disrespect (none of this vague "has ego" or "unsettle the locker room" stuff. What specifically have you heard or read that Eto'O has actually done to deserve such disrespect from Pep? The guy just does not like Eto, which is his right, but at least give the guy some respect for what he has done for the club. Anyway, if I am Eto'O I will pack my bags tomorrow and move on!

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comment by U13460476

posted Jul 20, 2009

Care to elaborate on this? ...<erm>

Maybe he's thinking of the Spanish custom of siesta. Like scoolboys I hear Barca insist that all it's star plyers have an afternoon nap. And if they refuse they would make them watch endless re-runs of the Big Brother shot between the hours of 2 and 4am on the DVD player at the club's training ground.

Guaranteed to make them go to sleep I should think...;)

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posted Jul 20, 2009

When have those players been in trouble?
You can also name hundreds of players who played at Barca until they were either past it or retired, that's just what you've done.
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Please name 3 players

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comment by efty (U10984612)

posted Jul 20, 2009

What did u know about Eto, he got problem with the previous manager, and I think he got an attitude.

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posted Jul 20, 2009

I don't know about Top-professionals, but their reputation for looking after kids and trialists at their Youth Academy is second to none!

Not only, do they look after the kids from Catalunya and Spain well, they also look after the 13-16 year old kids who've come half way around the world (not speaking a world of Spanish or Catalan), and look after them as if they were their very own!

To be fair, you could almost say the same is true of Real Madrid, Sociada, Sevilla, Athlecto and virtually all the top Spanish clubs.

However, the Catalans (in particular) do NOT like people who are disrespectful to others or abuse their kindness and they do respect and value loyalty!

Forget how good CF Barcelona are ON the field, it is the way they treat everyone OFF it, REGARDLESS of status, that as far as I'm concerned, makes Barca a team to be admired!

....As for a number of those players mentioned?

- Oh! If ONLY Cloughie was alive and had had chance to "have a word with them!"
;-)

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posted Jul 20, 2009

comment by eftymoore (U10984612)
posted 1 Minute Ago
What did u know about Eto, he got problem with the previous manager, and I think he got an attitude.
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Like I said, what is the "attitude" that you know he has??? That he wants to play and win? If I have an employee who wants to work so badly and that is attitude, I will take it. When have you read that Eto refuses to play when he is asked? When have you not seen Eto, even as a sub, cheering the team on? The entire Barca team had problems with Frank Rykaard because they were not winning, and only Eto gets blamed - in fact, even Puyol was blaming the tactics so why is he not slated to have "Attitude"???? When have you heard Eto has any training issues, or refuses to return to training etc.? You just read silly stuff and take it as "attitude". You cannot point me to one thing you have read Eto did that entitles Pep to disrespect him like this. Name one.

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posted Jul 20, 2009

When have those players been in trouble?
You can also name hundreds of players who played at Barca until they were either past it or retired, that's just what you've done.
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Please name 3 players
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Luis Enrique (retired)
Abelardo FernŠndez (Past it)
Oh and Thuram has retired at Barca ;)

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comment by Berts (U10058205)

posted Jul 20, 2009

I honestly think it depends on the manager of the day. A manager is entitled to choose which player is part of his plans. Ronaldinho was past his prime and his exit wasn't particularly surprising, whilst Eto'o muddled the waters in April last year when he threatened to quit Barca, only to make a U-turn soon after. Guardiola is convinced he no longer needs Eto'o . I suspect it's to do with his behaviour, though the manager denies that. But remember Barca rescued Eto'o's career after he had been loaned all over La Liga before being finally dumped at Mallorca by Real Madrid who, interestingly, you think treat players better.

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posted Jul 20, 2009

When Pep became coach he said point blank to Eto'O I don't need you and I don't want you. Eto'O stayed 1 season and became the team's top scorer last season, Here we go again. And someone name me one thing that Eto'O has actually done to deserve such disrespect (none of this vague "has ego" or "unsettle the locker room" stuff.
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I think I know some of the reasons why Pep is moving Eto'o on, mainly football-related.
Judging the attitude of players is always difficult, partly because the media basically never tells the truth <smiley>. Based on body language I'd say Eto'o and Messi don't get on brilliantly. And Eto'o's arrogance is well-established through interviews, wage demands, etc. Arrogance itself isn't a bad thing, but it should be channelled the right way.

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posted Jul 20, 2009

There is nothing anyone can point at at the moment. One thing you have to understand is that Eto'o earns a lot of money at Barca. Probably he is the highest paid in that dressing room. That is what is bother Pep because he can only dream of earning what Eto'o does.

Everything is purely economical. Pep was probably told by Laporta that he has to get rid of high earners, only that in the last round (beginning last season) Eto'o refused to play ball and there were no takers who could afford him, that is why right now they are trying desperately to get rid of him.

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posted Jul 20, 2009

comment by RioVidicEvra (U2567872)

posted 4 Minutes Ago

Many player underperform and have troubles in their personal life but that doesnt mean u drop them under the bus. Inter Milan stood by Adriano till the end and they were willing to wait. Real Madird are always honorable to their players, Raul, Roberto Carlos, Zidane.

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the thing is why should a team suffer a troublesome player? look at ronaldinho a 29 yr old could not bench beckham in ac milan. adriano basically betrayed all the wages and trust and transfer fees wasted on him. never lived up to his potential neither did he stay mentally fit enough to even bring in a transfer fee. we have fans spending chunks of money of season tickets. they dont deserve to watch over-the-hill or "troubled" players

oh as for roberto carlos, well he stayed well past his welcome, same with keano and if they dont do something about it so too raul. the man is nearing 33 playing in a key position, and has been overrated for a long time anyways. if they keep using him all the millions they've spent will just go down the drain

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posted Jul 20, 2009

When have those players been in trouble?
You can also name hundreds of players who played at Barca until they were either past it or retired, that's just what you've done.

Pep Guardiola

Luis Enrique

Alex Ramon Alexanko

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posted Jul 20, 2009

Gunner 61, what are you talking about? Man...you people should read more.

If you remember, Pep said at the beginning of last season he did not want Eto. Remember that? It was not Eto who made the U-turn as you put it, it was Barca who made the u-turn and decided to keep him after Eto banged in goals preseason. Then he banged in more goals last season and here we are again, his reward is Pep saying the same thing - he should leave. Meanwhile, all Eto has done is score goals and cheer the team. He has turned down big money from Man City to stay at Barca. What more do all of you want from him?

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posted Jul 20, 2009

Luis Enrique (retired)
Abelardo FernŠndez (Past it)
Oh and Thuram has retired at Barca
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I will give u Enrique but Fernandez retired as Deportivo Alvaes player at age 33
Thuram was over 30 when he joined Barca from Juventus

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posted Jul 20, 2009

Thuram still had it though. Fernandez left at 32, signed a 2 year deal with Deportivo but retired after one. Past it. <smiley> You could just use their manager, but I choose the first two to brag about Sporting Gijon. <magic>

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comment by brontus (U1935644)

posted Jul 20, 2009

All I can say is Barca has a different way of treating Catalan born and bread to their foreign players....

Yes, i must say samuel eto waste alot of chances, but he scored almost 30 goals in almost all of his full seasons with Barca...

And with their great history, Barca has only one 3 European cups and Eto'o was at the centre of two...The equaliser against Arsenal in Paris and the opener against United in Rome... The boys deserve a lot more than what he got in return

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posted Jul 20, 2009

I would hate to be mis-treated when I'm only on £100.000 a WEEK. God bless my cotton socks. When you're finished you're finished. When your attitude stinks you're finished. Who cares about Barcalona anyway? Well except for that one game. <whistle>

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posted Jul 20, 2009

All I can say is Barca has a different way of treating Catalan born and bread to their foreign players....
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that is true to some extent

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posted Jul 20, 2009

darkanddom (U11758637)

posted 2 Minutes Ago

Gunner 61, what are you talking about? Man...you people should read more.

If you remember, Pep said at the beginning of last season he did not want Eto. Remember that? It was not Eto who made the U-turn as you put it, it was Barca who made the u-turn and decided to keep him after Eto banged in goals preseason. Then he banged in more goals last season and here we are again, his reward is Pep saying the same thing - he should leave. Meanwhile, all Eto has done is score goals and cheer the team. He has turned down big money from Man City to stay at Barca. What more do all of you want from him?

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what has he done?

he has one year left on his contract (which he doesn't look like signing) and Barca don't want to lose him on a free next season. Add the African nations cup (which means he will be away for 6 weeks) & you can see why they are doing what they're doing....

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posted Jul 20, 2009

Yes, i must say samuel eto waste alot of chances, but he scored almost 30 goals in almost all of his full seasons with Barca...
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<ok> Eto'o's a prolific striker, but I think Pep has sound footballing reasons for moving him on that are separate from his personality (I could elaborate here though it would be a long post <smiley>).
Also, if it is true that he demanded Messi-level wages then he has crossed a line in terms of the club's politics.

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posted Jul 20, 2009

omment by KennyBenitez (U13943847)
posted Just Now
I would hate to be mis-treated when I'm only on £100.000 a WEEK. God bless my cotton socks. When you're finished you're finished. When your attitude stinks you're finished. Who cares about Barcalona anyway? Well except for that one game.
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So someone should be mistreated because they were lucky enough to have talent and make lots of money? Who cares about Barca? We all do, including you or you won't be here commenting. What is the "bad attitude" you people keep referring to? What exactly did Eto do that amounts to "bad attitude"? I have asked that question several times and no one here can tell us exactly what it is....what is the "bad attitude" that Eto has? Is it turning down big money from Man City? Is it putting his goal scoring prowess even when his coach says he is not needed? Is it staying with Barca even when they said he should leave? Is that bad attitude???? Seriously?

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posted Jul 20, 2009

Also the Barca officals will use the media to get back at the players, some things needs to be discussed behind closed doors

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posted Jul 20, 2009

RVE: have you ever heard of the word "incoherence"?:( Pull yourself togevver.

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posted Jul 20, 2009

The only thing I recall etoo doing was purposely getting booked because he didn't want to form a guard of honour for Madrid. That is an action that I'd interpret as live for the club. He helped them win the title last year.

I still feel that etoo is better than Ibrahimovic, but time will tell.

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posted Jul 20, 2009

I still feel that etoo is better than Ibrahimovic, but time will tell.
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I think it's more a question of Ibra's unique qualities rather than who is the better player.

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posted Jul 20, 2009

I would hate to be mis-treated when I'm only on £100.000 a WEEK. God bless my cotton socks. When you're finished you're finished. When your attitude stinks you're finished. Who cares about Barcalona anyway? Well except for that one game.
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So someone should be mistreated because they were lucky enough to have talent and make lots of money? Who cares about Barca? We all do, including you or you won't be here commenting. What is the "bad attitude" you people keep referring to? What exactly did Eto do that amounts to "bad attitude"? I have asked that question several times and no one here can tell us exactly what it is....what is the "bad attitude" that Eto has? Is it turning down big money from Man City? Is it putting his goal scoring prowess even when his coach says he is not needed? Is it staying with Barca even when they said he should leave? Is that bad attitude???? Seriously?
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I never mentioned Eto. And don't tell me who I should or should not care about. I only care about my team. The one thing I will apologise for is if the 'one game' comment was taken the wrong way by the poster. It was from a position of a bit of jealousy and just banter really. However, the reason I posted my comment was that I don't really know why someone would bother to even make the comment when it really doesn't concern their team.

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posted Jul 20, 2009

Eto'o has one year left on his contract and is being very greedy, he wants 200K a week the easiest way he can get that is by finishing his year and be a free signing, since there is no transfer fee he can get more wages. On the other hand Barca do not want to do that they know they can't lose him for free next season so they've got a replacement in Zlatan with Eto'o plus 40m.
Barca have to get rid of him, but Eto'o is taking the biscuit

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posted Jul 20, 2009

I think it's more a question of Ibra's unique qualities rather than who is the better player.

I think that they have enough creators though. Messi is brilliant, xavi and iniesta own midfield. Unless henry will play up top and ibra out on the other wing from messi. La Liga will be very interesting, I would still have Barcelona as favourites.

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comment by Berts (U10058205)

posted Jul 20, 2009

If you remember, Pep said at the beginning of last season he did not want Eto. Remember that? It was not Eto who made the U-turn as you put it, it was Barca who made the u-turn and decided to keep him after Eto banged in goals preseason.
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Oh dear! April 2008 was BEFORE last season. Guardiola only became manager of Barca's first team at the start of the 2008/9 season, AFTER Eto'o's threats. It's you who needs a lot of reading before coming on here!

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posted Jul 20, 2009

I think it's more a question of Ibra's unique qualities rather than who is the better player.

I think that they have enough creators though. Messi is brilliant, xavi and iniesta own midfield. Unless henry will play up top and ibra out on the other wing from messi. La Liga will be very interesting, I would still have Barcelona as favourites.
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Ibra will be the head of a front 3, with Messi & Henry playing off him.
If Pep has decided to use more of a target man, then Ibra is the ideal buy, and if you can afford him you go for him. There isn't another player in the world with the same combination of qualities: very tall but extremely skilful with a great touch. Ibra also offers some things which the current squad doesn't have, especially his distance shooting, and he'd be a better bet from free-kicks than Alves.
Naturally I also think Barca are favourites - I expect Messi to go up a level ;-)

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comment by brontus (U1935644)

posted Jul 20, 2009

I still feel that etoo is better than Ibrahimovic, but time will tell.
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I think it's more a question of Ibra's unique qualities rather than who is the better player.
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Although I consider Ibra to be an exceptional player...Eto's industriousness allow the likes of messi and particularly Iniesta to make the kind of runs that they do...

Technically Ibra is way better player than Eto, but the one elements which Eto'o has which allow the midfield players to come into the play from deep areas, ibra lacks that quality...Anyway time will tell...

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