posted Jul 16, 2009

Vittel mineral water for Sorensen ...

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Superb, what a win, he deserved all of that and it obviously means a huge amount to him Bravo!!!!

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Nice victory for Sorensen - dedicated to KAA, perhaps?

Well done!

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Well done to Cavendish who still won the sprint for 8th place. 4th placed Levi (and Cadel Evans) had a fall but since it was in the last 3km, it's likely that he will be given the same time as the rest so Wiggins still fifth.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

No cuts and bruises for Evans according to the radio, so I guess it was just one of those "I'm riding at the back to see if I can get caught up in a bit of bother" falls.

He's a dog lover of course, so perhaps he stopped for a bit of a cry.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Cav shows why the others are struggling to take a stage win - Columbia lead out and he wins; Cervelo lead out Hushovd and Cav wins

What was the gap to the peloton? Sorenson was only 10 minutes back, so must have moved up the GC a bit today. Enough to give him ambitions in the overall, or will it be all about Schleck and Schleck 2 next week?

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posted Jul 16, 2009

ha, like I said yesterday, he's like Robbie
and with it managed to get another 3 points ahead of Thor.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Dummy half:

The gap was just shy of 6 minutes, so Sorensen moves up to 26th, at + 4' 38".

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Ah, and Saxo Bank have taken the lead in the team classification as well.

Setting it up nicely for the Schleck boys to do something special very soon. Looking at tomorrow's route, it looks like there could be some attacks on those good-sized climbs the cat 1 and 2 in the middle.

Let's hope there's a shakeup in the GC. I'm a bit tired of these flat stages.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Im_partial - I have a feeling that tomorrow's stage will be a good one!

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posted Jul 16, 2009

The cat 2 at the end, is down as a cat 1 in my offical guide. Looking at the profile that seems nuts perhaps it was the first one. I'll have to check.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Doubt anyone's still here but did Rogers fall off his bike again?!

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Me too. I'm quite looking forward to it.

According to the website, after the feeding zone it shows a cat 2, sprint point, cat 1, long descent to a small cat 3 and then a final cat 2 20k from the finish. Who knows, maybe someone will have a go even if only to stretch his legs.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

"Ah, and Saxo Bank have taken the lead in the team classification as well."

Im pretty sure it's still Astana, they have 2nd, 3rd and 4th place.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Count - not sure. It shows that he finished with the pack at +5' 58" but then again it also shows him finishing behind a couple of guys who were 8 minutes back, so much for the stage standings, LOL.

I never heard of him having a problem on the day, did you?

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posted Jul 16, 2009

>>Im pretty sure it's still Astana, they have 2nd, 3rd and 4th place.

Apparently they don't do it strictly on GC placing anymore, they include the result on the day. Hence why AG2R has been in the lead in the team compo (check their yellow numbers) since Nocentini got the MJ.

I find that a bit odd and think it should be on GC, but I couldn't find out anything concrete to explain how exactly they are calculating it this year.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

The time of a team is the culmulative time of the first three riders home in each stage.

It's the same as the tourchampion fantasy game.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Really? It never used to be, it used to be the first 3 riders on GC. Plus your suggestions that it's the first 3 on the day doesn't make sense because Astana were 15t, 16th and 21st whereas AG2r were 30th, 48th and 50th today and Team Katusha had the best 3 finisherd yesterday. Surely it's the GC for the race?

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posted Jul 16, 2009

DJ's got it, it's your three best placed riders for each day.

It's not based on the GC to award flat or medium stage breakaways as well, instead of just making a GC #2 where Astana dominates even though they don't do all that much attacking relatively.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Anybody playing a tour game, in which you've to come up for a team for each day?

Mine for tomorrow (in my competition the more expensive the rider, the better he needs to do to win you money): Chavanel, Gerdemann, Nibali, Dessel, Moreau, Moncoutie, Uran, Garate & Bruseghin.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Well that's not right clearly. Take Stage 11 as an example, Cav wins but Katusha have the bect placed riders, fine. However Ag2r were leading in the GC competiton and were wearing the yellow numbers, why? They weren't the best team and they weren't the best on GC, have they paid for the privellege, do they add up the number of children each rider has then divide by pi and multiplied by the number of dogs in belgium?

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posted Jul 16, 2009

CS

For ages the team GC has been about the times of the first 3 riders during a stage from each team. Just check out the ranking on the Tour site & you'll see they are comparing time.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Yep im looking and not seeing. What are you saying, it's the first 3 riders from that team across the line who get to wear the yellow numbers? or it's the first 3 riders on GC from that team who get to wear the yellow numbers because neither is true regarding Ag2r.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Maybe it's that they do it on the combined time of the top 3 riders over the line, and in the case of a tie the team with the yellow jersey takes it by virtue of having the leader to protect.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

The team competition is an overall thing, just like the yellow jersey is. It's not just how a team does on the previous day.

AG2R had two guys in the break going up the Arcalis, they made a lot of time on that stage. Astana will win overall undoubtedly, but the breakaways have got it at the moment.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

I'm not saying the first 3 riders get the yellow numbers. The team leading in the team GC get the yellow numbers. The daily team ranking is based on the times of the first 3 riders of each team. The overall team GC is made by adding up the times for each stage.

click on the tab 'team':

http://www.letour.fr/2009/TDF/LIVE/us/1200/classement/index.html

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posted Jul 16, 2009

True but look at the GC, according to the results Team Saxo Bank are leading. Astana have Contador 6secs back, Armstrong 8secs back, Leipheimer 39secs back. AG2R have Nocentini Leading, Efimkin 2:45 back and Goubert 6:54 back so clearly they shouldn't be second on Team Classification behind Saxo and ahead of Astana. Saxo have A. Schleck 1:49 back, which effectively means they aren't or shouldn't be leading, then F. Schleck 2:25 then Sorensen 4:38. How i ask can they be leading?

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posted Jul 16, 2009

it has nothing to do with the overall GC you're looking at.

Read again what I wrote or check wiki.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

"I'm not saying the first 3 riders get the yellow numbers. The team leading in the team GC get the yellow numbers. The daily team ranking is based on the times of the first 3 riders of each team. The overall team GC is made by adding up the times for each stage."

No but AG2R are leading the GC team comp. If it's made up by adding the time for each stage that's the GC, which they shouldn't be eleading.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

So...first 3 guys over the line per team each day, their GC times added up? Is that it?

I've been keeping track since the beginning(don't ask) and it was Astana after Stages 1-7, AG2R after 8-11 and after today it will be Saxo.

I just couldn't figure out where the total figure for the team came from because on the one day I tried to calculate it (the day AG2R took it over) I couldn't make it work. But if it's the time taken of the first 3 crossing the line each day, it makes more sense as you'd be taking the time from different riders each day to calculate. it.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Right, here's a simple example.

Stage 1:

Team A
Rider 1: 0:00
Rider 2: 0:00
Rider 3: 0:00
Rider 4: 0:00
Rider 5: 0:00

Team B:
Rider 1: 1:00
Rider 2: 1:00
Rider 3: 1:00
Rider 4: 1:00
Rider 5: 20:00

What we have here is a flat stage where Team A finished all their guys in the peleton, but Team B had a mare and all finished 1 minute behind and rider 5 even worse finishing 20 minutes behind.

Team standings after stage 1:

Team A: 0:00
Team B: 3:00

(culmulative team of first three guys)

(Stage 2 in a second)

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posted Jul 16, 2009

the stage times of the first 3 riders of that team not their GC times.

That's why in the team GC they always have a FASTER time than their first 3 riders in the GC added up. Because there are always stages in which another teammate does better than any of them.

This year the team GC will be about another team winning time on them by attacking during non mountian stages, because in those Astana will win time.

Today Saxo won 6' (or whatever Sorenson was ahead of the pack) on them.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Now on stage 2, the guy who finished 20 minutes behind thought 'What the hell' and decided to go on a crazy lone break and it succeeded! He finished 10 minutes ahead at the finish. Everyone else finished in the peleton.

Team A:
Rider 1: 10:00
Rider 2: 10:00
Rider 3: 10:00
Rider 4: 10:00
Rider 5: 10:00

Team B:
Rider 5: 0:00
Rider 1: 10:00
Rider 2: 10:00
Rider 3: 10:00
Rider 4: 10:00

Team Scores for this stage.
Team A: 30:00
Team B: 20:00

So Team B are actually 7 minutes ahead (10 minutes ahead on this stage, 3 minutes behind on the first) overall on the team. Despite the GC looking like this.

1 Rider 1 (TeamA) 0:00
2 Rider 2 (TeamA) 0:00
3 Rider 3 (TeamA) 0:00
4 Rider 4 (TeamA) 0:00
5 Rider 5 (TeamA) 0:00
6 Rider 1 (TeamB) 1:00
7 Rider 2 (TeamB) 1:00
8 Rider 3 (TeamB) 1:00
9 Rider 4 (TeamB) 1:00
10 Rider 5 (TeamB) 10:00

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posted Jul 16, 2009

If tomorrow Astana's Muravyev wins 10 minutes ahead of a grouped peloton, Astana will win 10 minutes on all teams (despite him being worst Astana rider in the GC). In the mountain stages Atsana will probably own everybody in the team GC, so they're odds on fav to win it.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

DeGuzman

So the 143h 47' 41" total figure for Saxo is obtained from adding the finish times of the top 3 finishers from Saxo on each and every stage.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

I so nearly typed last night. Nick Sorensen at 100/1 is a good shout for tomorrow - but didn't.

I lumped a bit too much on the Open & only had 30p left in my account. Was going to put that on Sorensen but then a voice said William Bonnet at 150/1 will win it - so went 16p on Sorensen & 14p on Bonnet!

Bl00dy annoyed it wasn't more but it's £16 I never had & have covered my Open bets:

For the record - tomorrow: I'm going Sanchez again at 20/1 & one of the Russians as a long E/W shot from a breaakaway - Botcharov or probably Karpets.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

ohright yep get it thanks.

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posted Jul 16, 2009

Hold on, just one more thing (bit of Columbo there), surely the winner of the competition isn't the actual winner because the last stage is a sprinters stage, therefore for Columbia it will be Cav, Renshaw and Hincapie persumably therefore thye will probably end up like 3 hours and a bit back.

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posted Jul 17, 2009

@Im_partial
Exactly

By the way Leipheimer has to withdraw because of injuries.

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