posted Jul 8, 2009

51m is not a hill anyway, it is more like a small upwards ascent ... but as a roadie myself I can say that Cav will suffer if it lasts any longer than 200 or 300 yards as I don't think he will be able to mantain the same gearing as he would in a flat finish but we will see

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posted Jul 8, 2009

The molehill/bump goes from being at sea level where they are now to 51 metres at its top.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/96th-tour-de-france-gt/stages/stage-5/map

It doesn't look like much on the map, I don't know if it's anything in real life, that's always hard to tell from the profiles.

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posted Jul 8, 2009

The last 5km is virtually flat, the last km if anything downhill.

Have a look at http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/96th-tour-de-france-gt/stages/stage-5/preview

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posted Jul 8, 2009

If you look at the race profile on cyclingnews it looks like the top of the "hill" is about 1k or so before the finish anyway.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/96th-tour-de-france-gt/stages/stage-5

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Looking at the profile of the last 5km (see letour.fr), it is not an ascent of 51m. The top of the hill is at 51m above sea level, but they start at 42m above sea level, so it's a total of 9m of ascent and that's over a distance of 2km! Hardly the Alpe d'Huez!

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posted Jul 8, 2009

10K to go.

How do we see it playing out? I expect the sprinters teams to step up the pace, and have our expected bunch sprint. Cav, Boonen, Hushovd ... Freire?

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Hincapie and Renshaw moving to the front. Come on Cav, surely not...

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Anybody else want to post that link

If this group stay away, it will be interesting to see if Columbia work as professionally to give Cav 7th. Important for the green, of course.

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Everyone got that link there? Good

They're discussing the final few k's on Belgian telly now. Few roundabouts, uphill a bit til 2k from the finish and then down to the finish. "A bit unusual" they say, but they're pretty fast to dub a finish unusual unless it's 10 kilometres in a straight line to the line.

Poor Gesink is throwing in the towel (4min26). And if you follow the old "one minute for each 10 kilometres" adagio the peloton isn't going to catch them... though in the last few kilometres they always ride faster.
Tommy to give me some much needed extra seconds? Yes please!

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Is the gap really still 1' 10"? Can't believe they'll stay away...

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posted Jul 8, 2009

It could be interesting if Caisse d'Epargne guys help out Contador towards the end of the tour if none of their guys have a chance.
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I think one or two (Arroyo?) may think about polka. We know they have some good climbers in the team, so they could well have somebody up there in the mountains. Also, after Contador did such a good job acting as a wingman to Valverde in the Dauphine...

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posted Jul 8, 2009

On days where the pace isn't particualarly fast enough or difficult enough to drop everyone, the logistics of 170+ cyclists each sprinting for seconds!! is a nightmare thought.

You need to think of the tour as several races within a race, the General Classification (Yellow Jersey) is one comp and time is gained in the mountains or time trials mainly (though time bonuses were given historically).

Those good at sprinting should only be concerned with the cash earned from green jersey points and/or stage wins (not time), hence time is not that important to those most likely to come over the line in a bunch.

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Thanks, for a newcomer to the in and outs of the TdF it is a bit of a nightmare to understand but hugely enjoyable nonetheless, especially reading all the comments here.
I hope by the end of the Tour I will have a better grasp

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posted Jul 8, 2009

the break should stay away, unless they start messing around over the sprint at the end

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posted Jul 8, 2009

They've started playing cat and mouse, but they will stay away.

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posted Jul 8, 2009

If the first group stays ahead then it'll be interesting to see how much Cav likes that green jersey. Will he sprint for seventh place?

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Allez T-jaune!

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Ti-Vo off the front! Amazing.

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posted Jul 8, 2009

TOMMY!!!

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posted Jul 8, 2009

This is gonna be close. The breakaway pace will stay high as Ignatiev is going to have to keep trying to jump off the front.

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Looks like Cavendish, who would you pick instead of him???

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Can Cav lose the green jersey today? What are the standings?

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Come on Tommy boy! Timmer is close, and anyone who said before that Skil didn't deserve their wildcard can take that back already.

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Cav is not winning today now I think.

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posted Jul 8, 2009

2Km to go and it looks like the experience of Voeckler has showed in the end...

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posted Jul 8, 2009

PauCC. No he cant, not if the breakaway stays clear.


GO ON TI-VO!!!!

What's his time gap to main peolton?

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Voeckler was my (unvoiced) tip for today as well, after the disaster yesterday. Can't believe I didn't put some money on!

Bravo Thomas!

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posted Jul 8, 2009

>Can Cav lose the green jersey today? What are the standings?<

Not to anyone in the front, no.


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1 Fabian CANCELLARA ZWI SAX 10:38:07 00:00:00
2 Lance ARMSTRONG VS AST 10:38:07 00:00:00
3 Alberto CONTADOR SPA AST 10:38:26 00:00:19
4 Andreas KLÖDEN DUI AST 10:38:30 00:00:23
5 Levi LEIPHEIMER VS AST 10:38:38 00:00:31
6 Bradley WIGGINS GBR GRM 10:38:45 00:00:38
7 Haimar ZUBELDIA SPA AST 10:38:58 00:00:51
8 Tony MARTIN DUI THR 10:38:59 00:00:52
9 David ZABRISKIE VS GRM 10:39:13 00:01:06
10 David MILLAR GBR GRM 10:39:14 00:01:07
11 Sergio PAULINHO POR AST 10:39:23 00:01:16
12 Christian VANDE VELDE VS GRM 10:39:23 00:01:16
13 Gustav Erik LARSSON ZWE SAX 10:39:29 00:01:22
14 Maxime MONFORT BEL THR 10:39:36 00:01:29
15 Roman KREUZIGER TSJ LIQ 10:39:38 00:01:31
16 Michael ROGERS AUS THR 10:39:39 00:01:32
17 George HINCAPIE VS THR 10:39:43 00:01:36
18 Jaroslav POPOVITSJ OEK AST 10:39:43 00:01:36
19 Vincenzo NIBALI ITA LIQ 10:39:43 00:01:36
20 Andy SCHLECK LUX SAX 10:39:48 00:01:41
21 Ryder HESJEDAL CAN GRM 10:39:53 00:01:46
22 Jens VOIGT DUI SAX 10:40:10 00:02:03
23 Kurt-Asle ARVESEN NOO SAX 10:40:12 00:02:05
24 Kim KIRCHEN LUX THR 10:40:23 00:02:16
25 Fränk SCHLECK LUX SAX 10:40:24 00:02:17
26 Brian VANDBORG DEN LIQ 10:40:32 00:02:25
27 Vladimir KARPETS RUS KAT 10:40:38 00:02:31
28 Franco PELLIZOTTI ITA LIQ 10:40:39 00:02:32
29 Carlos SASTRE SPA CTT 10:40:51 00:02:44
30 Nicki SORENSEN DEN SAX 10:40:51 00:02:44
31 Fabio SABATINI ITA LIQ 10:40:57 00:02:50
32 Bert GRABSCH DUI THR 10:40:58 00:02:51
33 Mikel ASTARLOZA SPA EUS 10:41:01 00:02:54
34 Luis PASAMONTES SPA GCE 10:41:03 00:02:56
35 Cadel EVANS AUS SIL 10:41:06 00:02:59
36 Sergej IVANOV RUS KAT 10:41:06 00:02:59
37 Thor HUSHOVD NOO CTT 10:41:06 00:02:59
38 Stuart O’GRADY AUS SAX 10:41:07 00:03:00
39 Michail IGNATJEV RUS KAT 10:41:09 00:03:02
40 Oscar PEREIRO SIO SPA GCE 10:41:10 00:03:03
41 Hayden ROULSTON NZE CTT 10:41:12 00:03:05
42 Rui COSTA POR GCE 10:41:13 00:03:06
43 Heinrich HAUSSLER DUI CTT 10:41:14 00:03:07
44 Volodymir GOESTOV OEK CTT 10:41:16 00:03:09
45 Linus GERDEMANN DUI MRM 10:41:18 00:03:11
46 Rigoberto URAN COL GCE 10:41:19 00:03:12
47 Rinaldo NOCENTINI ITA ALM 10:41:20 00:03:13
48 Nicolas ROCHE IER ALM 10:41:23 00:03:16
49 Jérôme PINEAU FRA QST 10:41:24 00:03:17
50 José Ivan GUTIERREZ SPA GCE 10:41:24 00:03:17
51 José Joaquin ROJAS SPA GCE 10:41:24 00:03:17
52 Filippo POZZATO ITA KAT 10:41:25 00:03:18
53 Luis Leon SANCHEZ SPA GCE 10:41:25 00:03:18
54 Lloyd MONDORY FRA ALM 10:41:28 00:03:21
55 Sylvain CHAVANEL FRA QST 10:41:30 00:03:23
56 Juan José OROZ SPA EUS 10:41:31 00:03:24
57 Gorka VERDUGO SPA EUS 10:41:32 00:03:25
58 Brett Daniel LANCASTER AUS CTT 10:41:35 00:03:28
59 Frederik WILLEMS BEL LIQ 10:41:39 00:03:32
60 Mark CAVENDISH GBR THR 10:41:40 00:03:33
61 Stéphane GOUBERT FRA ALM 10:41:41 00:03:34
62 Robert GESINK NED RAB 10:41:43 00:03:36
63 Chris Anker SORENSEN DEN SAX 10:41:43 00:03:36
64 Cyril DESSEL FRA ALM 10:41:45 00:03:38
65 Christophe RIBLON FRA ALM 10:41:49 00:03:42
66 Vladimir JEFIMKIN RUS ALM 10:41:51 00:03:44
67 Hubert DUPONT FRA ALM 10:41:53 00:03:46
68 Nicolaj TROESSOV RUS KAT 10:41:54 00:03:47
69 Aleksandr KOESJTSJINSKI WRU LIQ 10:41:54 00:03:47
70 Igor ANTON SPA EUS 10:41:55 00:03:48
71 Aleksandr BOTSJAROV RUS KAT 10:41:58 00:03:51
72 Denis MENSJOV RUS RAB 10:41:59 00:03:52
73 José Luis ARRIETA SPA ALM 10:41:59 00:03:52
74 Carlos BARREDO SPA QST 10:42:02 00:03:55
75 Laurens TEN DAM NED RAB 10:42:04 00:03:57
76 Sébastien ROSSELER BEL QST 10:42:10 00:04:03
77 Rémi PAURIOL FRA COF 10:42:11 00:04:04
78 Iñigo CUESTA SPA CTT 10:42:12 00:04:05
79 Egoi MARTINEZ SPA EUS 10:42:16 00:04:09
80 Juan Manuel GARATE SPA RAB 10:42:16 00:04:09
81 David ARROYO SPA GCE 10:42:17 00:04:10
82 Christophe KERN FRA COF 10:42:19 00:04:12
83 Grischa NIERMANN DUI RAB 10:42:23 00:04:16
84 Sandy CASAR FRA FDJ 10:42:23 00:04:16
85 Jérôme COPPEL FRA FDJ 10:42:24 00:04:17
86 Alessandro VANOTTI ITA LIQ 10:42:30 00:04:23
87 Jérémy ROY FRA FDJ 10:42:30 00:04:23
88 Tom BOONEN BEL QST 10:42:32 00:04:25
89 Peter VELITS SVK MRM 10:42:34 00:04:27
90 Johannes FRÖHLINGER DUI MRM 10:42:35 00:04:28
91 Mark RENSHAW AUS THR 10:42:36 00:04:29
92 José Angel GOMEZ MARCHANTE SPA CTT 10:42:37 00:04:30
93 Stijn DEVOLDER BEL QST 10:42:37 00:04:30
94 Mickaël DELAGE FRA SIL 10:42:38 00:04:31
95 Christian KNEES DUI MRM 10:42:39 00:04:32
96 Juan Antonio FLECHA SPA RAB 10:42:39 00:04:32
97 Daniele BENNATI ITA LIQ 10:42:41 00:04:34
98 Alessandro BALLAN ITA LAM 10:42:42 00:04:35
99 Stéphane AUGE FRA COF 10:42:47 00:04:40
100 Joost POSTHUMA NED RAB 10:42:53 00:04:46
101 Oscar FREIRE SPA RAB 10:42:55 00:04:48
102 Amets TXURRUKA SPA EUS 10:42:56 00:04:49
103 Benoît VAUGRENARD FRA FDJ 10:42:57 00:04:50
104 Greg VAN AVERMAET BEL SIL 10:42:58 00:04:51
105 Christophe LE MEVEL FRA FDJ 10:43:01 00:04:54
106 Jussi VEIKKANEN FIN FDJ 10:43:03 00:04:56
107 Koldo FERNANDEZ SPA EUS 10:43:04 00:04:57
108 Leonardo DUQUE COL COF 10:43:06 00:04:59
109 Samuel DUMOULIN FRA COF 10:43:07 00:05:00
110 Marzio BRUSEGHIN ITA LAM 10:43:09 00:05:02
111 Simon SPILAK SVN LAM 10:43:12 00:05:05
112 David MONCOUTIE FRA COF 10:43:15 00:05:08
113 Anthony GESLIN FRA FDJ 10:43:16 00:05:09
114 Gerald CIOLEK DUI MRM 10:43:18 00:05:11
115 Maxime BOUET FRA AGR 10:43:23 00:05:16
116 Sebastian LANG DUI SIL 10:43:24 00:05:17
117 Sébastien MINARD FRA COF 10:43:34 00:05:27
118 Amaël MOINARD FRA COF 10:43:35 00:05:28
119 Johan VANSUMMEREN BEL SIL 10:43:39 00:05:32
120 Joan HORRACH SPA KAT 10:43:41 00:05:34
121 David LE LAY FRA AGR 10:43:53 00:05:46
122 Matthew LLOYD AUS SIL 10:43:56 00:05:49
123 Laurent LEFEVRE FRA BBO 10:44:01 00:05:54
124 Tyler FARRAR VS GRM 10:44:04 00:05:57
125 William BONNET FRA BBO 10:44:08 00:06:01
126 Bingen FERNANDEZ SPA COF 10:44:10 00:06:03
127 Ruben PEREZ MORENO SPA EUS 10:44:11 00:06:04
128 Nicolas VOGONDY FRA AGR 10:44:17 00:06:10
129 Geoffroy LEQUATRE FRA AGR 10:44:18 00:06:11
130 Markus FOTHEN DUI MRM 10:44:18 00:06:11
131 David LOOSLI ZWI LAM 10:44:22 00:06:15
132 Stef CLEMENT NED RAB 10:44:22 00:06:15
133 Mauro SANTAMBROGIO ITA LAM 10:44:24 00:06:17
134 Pierrick FEDRIGO FRA BBO 10:44:25 00:06:18
135 Julian DEAN NZE GRM 10:44:33 00:06:26
136 Saïd HADDOU FRA BBO 10:44:34 00:06:27
137 Thierry HUPOND FRA SKS 10:44:40 00:06:33
138 Eduardo GONZALO RAMIREZ SPA AGR 10:44:42 00:06:35
139 Marcin SAPA POL LAM 10:44:47 00:06:40
140 Cyril LEMOINE FRA SKS 10:44:54 00:06:47
141 Sébastien JOLY FRA FDJ 10:44:54 00:06:47
142 Yukiya ARASHIRO JAP BBO 10:44:56 00:06:49
143 Christophe MOREAU FRA AGR 10:45:01 00:06:54
144 Thomas VOECKLER FRA BBO 10:45:02 00:06:55
145 Alexandre PICHOT FRA BBO 10:45:04 00:06:57
146 Koen DE KORT NED SKS 10:45:14 00:07:07
147 Arnaud COYOT FRA GCE 10:45:15 00:07:08
148 Brice FEILLU FRA AGR 10:45:22 00:07:15
149 Pierre ROLLAND FRA BBO 10:45:25 00:07:18
150 Stijn VANDENBERGH BEL KAT 10:45:29 00:07:22
151 Sylvain CALZATI FRA AGR 10:45:31 00:07:24
152 Simon GESCHKE DUI SKS 10:45:33 00:07:26
153 Joeri TROFIMOV RUS BBO 10:45:33 00:07:26
154 Jonathan HIVERT FRA SKS 10:45:36 00:07:29
155 Fumiyuki BEPPU JAP SKS 10:45:42 00:07:35
156 Niki TERPSTRA NED MRM 10:45:49 00:07:42
157 Matteo TOSATTO ITA QST 10:45:57 00:07:50
158 Marco BANDIERA ITA LAM 10:45:58 00:07:51
159 Charles WEGELIUS GBR SIL 10:46:16 00:08:09
160 Jurgen VAN DEN BROECK BEL SIL 10:46:23 00:08:16
161 Kenny VAN HUMMEL NED SKS 10:46:55 00:08:48
162 Steven DE JONGH NED QST 10:46:59 00:08:52
163 Fabian WEGMANN DUI MRM 10:47:01 00:08:54
164 Bernhard EISEL OOS THR 10:47:01 00:08:54
165 Grégory RAST ZWI AST 10:47:19 00:09:12
166 Danny PATE VS GRM 10:47:26 00:09:19
167 Peter WROLICH OOS MRM 10:47:41 00:09:34
168 Danilo NAPOLITANO ITA KAT 10:47:50 00:09:43
169 Martijn MAASKANT NED GRM 10:48:01 00:09:54
170 Romain FEILLU FRA AGR 10:48:14 00:10:07
171 Daniele RIGHI ITA LAM 10:48:45 00:10:38
172 Angelo FURLAN ITA LAM 10:48:47 00:10:40
173 Albert TIMMER NED SKS 10:49:16 00:11:09
174 Staf SCHEIRLINCKX BEL SIL 10:50:16 00:12:09
175 Jevgeni GOETAROVITSJ BLR FDJ 10:52:42 00:14:35
176 Andreas KLIER DUI CTT 10:53:37 00:15:30
177 Dmitri MOERAVJOV KAZ AST 10:57:38 00:19:31
178 Alan PEREZ LEZAUN SPA EUS 11:00:17 00:22:10
punten (na rit 4)
1 Mark CAVENDISH GBR THR 70
2 Thor HUSHOVD NOO CTT 54
3 Samuel DUMOULIN FRA COF 36
4 Fabian CANCELLARA ZWI SAX 35
5 Maxime BOUET FRA AGR 31
6 Tyler FARRAR VS GRM 30

Titi Voeckler!! Good lad
Cavendish grabs third? I think so, just ahead of Freire. Don't quote me on it though.

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posted Jul 8, 2009

BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!

What a win for Ti-Vo...delightful.

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posted Jul 8, 2009

The Peloton didn't get that right at all... wouldn't have taken much more work.

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posted Jul 8, 2009

5 seconds in the end. But who cares? TiVo won!!!

That's a little 5s for my team, but it's a shocker and a great thing to see Thomas Voeckler get the win he deserves.

Cav sprinted it out and got 3rd. Not bad, he'll keep green comfortably.

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posted Jul 8, 2009

What Action!!! BBC Text is worse than useless, getting to the end of the stage and nothing!!!!

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Cav isn't exactly known for his grace when he loses so I predict him to spit the dummy big time at the end of this race.

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posted Jul 8, 2009

poor effort from the peleton today, really should have caught them.

Cav should get 5th (I think 2 were dropped of the 6) for the pints and more of a lead over rivals.

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Chapeau TiVo!!

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Yay
Who doesn't love Voeckler

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Whoops, sorry for that. Don't know what happened there. For once the mods are allowed to delete my post

Cav third, Farrar fourth, Ciolek fifth, Napolitano sixth.
Freire in nine, Thor tenth.

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posted Jul 8, 2009

thanks for the info though!

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Very happy for Voeckler. I think Cav will be pleased with 3rd, continues to open up the gap.

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Columbia missed a trick i feel, but Voeckler, very much a forgotten man in le grand tour is a popular winner... particualarly for the french.

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Do you know when Voeckler's yellow jersey run started last time? Fifth stage, the day after a TTT. The peloton should've know, really

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Anyone want to post about why do these guys start breakaways when they are inevitably caught?

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Great result! Always nice to see an attacking breakaway rider hold on for the win, particularly someone like Voeckler who has tried in vain so many times before.

It's also good to see Cavendish sprinting it out for 3rd and increasing his lead in green. That certainly answers a few questions about his aspirations this Tour.

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Well done to Voeckler. I've always liked him and I always remember his heroics in 2004.
tgsgirl - It started in 2004 when he won Stage 5 (spooky!) and he kept the Yellow Jersey until Stage 15 on some really difficult stages.

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Bravo Tee-Blanc ( his nickname when he was living in Martinique ) ... <bubbled>

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Cav grabs ten extra points on Thor in the green jersey standings, and is now 26 points clear of the Norwegian. Tomorrow is classed as a flat stage though, so there's 35 points for the first on Montjuic. Could Oscarcito and Thor (and Tom, maybe) make up for something in gorgeous Barça?

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posted Jul 8, 2009

One successful breakaway can only mean that others will be trying their luck in later stages making the racing even more interesting (if thats possible).

BTW the bbc had a mini article up in the sports pages within seconds, now that is what I call hot off the press!

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posted Jul 8, 2009

No repeat of 2004... but it's hard to imagine there'll be a more popular stage winner this year.
Chapeau, encore!

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posted Jul 8, 2009

tgsgirl (U12454324)

Ben je de Britten aan het uitleggen & leren wat wielrennen is?

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posted Jul 8, 2009

I think Team Columbia and Cavendish were tricked today. Everyone knew straight fight between sprinters then Cavendish would win because he has already won 15 out of 18 sprints this season.

So once danger was over at around 20kms or so. Asthna and rest of teams at front of Peleton began to slow. ThenTeam Columbia took over and had to work alone may be few other riders. Gap which at one point had dropped to just 30sec went above 1min and no one was helping them.

More and more teams are beginning to dislike fact that Cavendish wins sprints easily and are not cooperating in chasing down.
So Team Columbia could be exhausted by the time they reach mountains in 2 days.

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posted Jul 8, 2009

Boonen not even in top 20.

I fancy a Spaniard to win tomorrow ... With Cat 3s and 4s, it's bumpy for sure but not necessarily one for the pure climbers. Pereiro looking for some glory?

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