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posted Jun 25, 2009

Remember we have a Brazilian coach .I think its going to be an upset today :
2-1 - SA TO WIN

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posted Jun 25, 2009

I can't wait for this game... hehe

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posted Jun 25, 2009

heheh u wish

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posted Jun 25, 2009

Brazil failed to impress and would have been punished by better opponents. Still a sign of a great team is one that wins even when it under performs, Brazil did exactly that and are ominously placed not just to win this Confederations Cup but to have an excellent chance at the big prize, next years World Cup Finals.

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posted Jun 25, 2009

What a bland game, let's hope they dont play like that against the Americans.

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posted Jun 25, 2009

Happy South African

Here's a website for you: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/8115181.stm

No need to read the whole article, just read the headline.

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posted Jun 25, 2009

What a bland game, let's hope they dont play like that against the Americans.
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Let's HOPE they play like that against Americawinkeye

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posted Jun 25, 2009

Really undeserved

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posted Jun 25, 2009

I've never had much faith in Bafana Bafana or Santana, and I hate vuvuzelas, but I must say I'm very proud of our boys tonight. They were well organised, ran hard, defended well, went forward with intent and pushed Brazil all the way. Remember that we are the 72nd ranked team in the world!
Very proud South African.

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posted Jun 25, 2009

Believe it or not, I thought the score might be this at about the 75th minute mark! I'm @ work so didn't watch the whole game (!), but 1-0, 88th minute: I thought Brazil would be more likely to score, but after yesterday's game, I would have liked RSA to have scored it!

I don't think lightning will strike twice though, so I'll have to go for Brazil in the final 2-1, or something like that.

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posted Jun 25, 2009

Definetely hoping Brazil play like that in the final...perhaps the USA can pull off another upset!
Final: Brazil 0- USA 1 with a late Clint Dempsey goal
Go USA!!

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comment by LyonBR (U14049052)

posted Jun 25, 2009

You guys talk like there is just 1 side playing. SA played very well and managed to stop the brazilian attack. It doesn't mean Brazil has played that bad. They failed to create chances cause SA were extremely tactical and well positioned.
Hope SA can play at that level in the WC next year.
I believe the sunday final will be just like this game today.

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posted Jun 25, 2009

Its obvious that Boro were duped into buying the wrong Alves!

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posted Jun 25, 2009

No one seems to mention the fact that South Africa where really negative in this match. They played 11 men behind the ball for 90 mins and dont get me started on there tackling.

But all in all, as a Brazilian, I feel we should have lost that match. It would have made Dunga, search for more options, which is what we need.

With this result, things will stay the same, as Dunga will feel he has done nothing wrong. Anyone with half a brain, that watched that match today will know that thats not the case.....

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posted Jun 25, 2009

Brazil were as unconvincing as Spain were yesterday...but I guess the difference is they got the job done..

Still though, not impressed with either of the two World Cup favourites..

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posted Jun 25, 2009

There was a challenge by one of the South Africans that was way worse than Michael Bradley's yesterday and the SA player only got a yellow. Hats off to the ref for not being an idiot today.

Hoping the US can pull off a win against Brazil, and tbh, I am not too afraid having watched them play today. They look slack in the defense and their offense only has moments of brilliance. They do not have the same quality as Spain did by a long shot, so perhaps we can pull off another upset.

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posted Jun 25, 2009

Was Kaka on the pitch tonight? Pienaar was superb and he should be South Africa's captain come 2010 vocal, gave support to the younger players. I think Everton fans including myself have come to relise how important he is for us !

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posted Jun 25, 2009

so ,'bigmig,' what changes do you feel need to come into fruition? I noticed Ramires looked terrible as did Melo. There is no one to distribute the ball from the central midfield. Kaka must start every attack if he doesn't or cannot noone else does or can.

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posted Jun 25, 2009

I'm proud of my boys, they were just superb tonight except that stupid goal, gooooooooosh! its so sad after containing the overated Brazilian team for the entire game eishhhhhhhhhh! next time my boys steam

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posted Jun 25, 2009

There's always gonna be a price for leaving out your best striker. McCarthy Benny.

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posted Jun 25, 2009

'USfan12' didn't Brazil beat USA 3-0 already. You weren't impressed then? So how badly do they need to spank you in order for you to be 'impressed?'

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posted Jun 25, 2009

SA played well. Wish they had scored at least one goal, probably would have seen the African flair, SA were good when attacking but lacked final touch to finish Brazil!! probably we would have seen a more attacking Brazilian team if SA had scored a goal earlier in the game, they otherwise were not at their peak!Pienaar is a top player. Mhlongo man-marking Kaka was brilliant. Congrats to SA, didnt do too bad in the cup!!!!

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posted Jun 25, 2009

just from the game, i think SA played well with a bit of luck they could have won. Santana is more reactive than proactive u cant make substitution with 90 minutes on the board and 1 minute to play.

Come the world next year the team will be more confident and better. Hats of Bafana Bafana.. ayikhale ivuvuzela ayikhale ayeye......

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posted Jun 26, 2009

Fair play to SA they played brilliantly. They defended so well until the free kick and had a few chances of their own. I was surprised with how comfortable some of the SA players were on the ball and very impressed with their style of football. They kept the ball on the deck and tried to play their way through Brazil.

Mokoena missed probably the chance of the game for SA when he headed over and he also gave away the free kick Brazil scored from so id say he is feeling pretty low today. However so many of the SA team stepped up and Pienaar was definatley man of the match.

Unlucky SA but they can leave with their heads held high as they did their country proud. Brazil on the otherhand looked unconvincing, and i was surprised at Dunga. It was obvious that they were creating nothing and he seemed very reluctant to change anything. Bringing on Alves with 5mins to go seemed a ridiculous subsitution but seeing as he scored it has worked out for Dunga but i think he can count himself a little lucky.

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posted Jun 26, 2009

Re. babyfacedassasin2

Yes, I go along with most of the - I enjoyed the game and though SA showed some quality.

It would be good if these semi-finals were further evidence of some kind of levelling amongst nations, so that there is more and more competition. It's still the case that in the last seven World Cups only five teams have been in the final - but the semi-finals show more variation. I would be really happy if there were some other nations up there, someone new in the finals and semis - just as I would be happy if the Premiership had six or seven (or more!) clubs with realistic chances of the title, as used to happen.

Of course, I would still want United and England to actually win the things, but...

Games like this and the USA v Spain are great fro football, they keep pressure on the top teams and so the standards can keep going up; and we all can feel more involved.

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posted Jun 26, 2009

Brasil are still grinding out football from the Iron Age, playing for free-kicks and passing long on the breakdown.

Kaka does not fit in as part of a front three, stranded ineffectually with his back to goal. He would be better play-making from central midfield or in the proverbial pocket facing goalwards to feed Luis Fabiano.

Robinho was neither fish nor fowl. He is not an inside forward and seems to refuse to play at outside-left. His choices to pass or shoot were uniformly wrong and it is hard to imagine him receiving progressive, informed coaching from Dunga, who advocates what Johan Cruyff has rightly labelled Anti-Football.

Brasil served it up in the Libertadores final, where they kicked Argentina off their rhythm and, ultimately, off the park.

What international soccer needs is for a cultured passing team to take Brasil apart, as France did in 1998 (had Henri played, rather than Guivarc'h, the media sustained myth of 'Brasilian Magic' would have been sunk forever, by 5 or 6 goals)- or, quite simply, for the USA to beat them (it matters not how) come Sunday,and for the traditional knee-jerk reaction of the Brasilian media to put an end to Dunga and his dopey negativism.

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posted Jun 26, 2009

A great display by an African country against the might of Brazil.
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posted Jun 26, 2009

I turned off and got back to work after about 15 minutes. Up until then it looked to me as if Brazil had a clear and simple game plan - not to expose themselves or make silly mistakes and wait for the individual quality of their players to solve it for them - and that it wouldn't be much of a spectacle.

Could someone who actually saw the whole affair tell me if it went that way or not?

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posted Jun 26, 2009

Re. it's only a game

Personally I wouldn's say so. Brazil made plenty of errors, and up until the goal were getting flustered and worried; their quality really didn's shine through! What did come across later was the SA inexperience and perhaps weaknesses: the free kick was good, but poorly defended. Similarly it was disappointing to see SA playing safe in the last third - last third of the match and last third of the pitch!

I think most neutral observers would agree that Brazil were fortunate and that 0-0 at the end of full time would have been about right.

But that is, of course, just my opinion!

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posted Jun 26, 2009

Depressingly low performance from Brazil, USA would legitimately feel they have chances, and why not. USA saw off a much better team albeit it wasn't Spain that turned up.
USA can do it, if another lackluster day ensues for Brazil. Good teams, however are nearly always able to raise their game to match the needs of the occasion. May be it is one of those days they fail to measure up. USA should be present to drive the nail home, everything to gain and nothing to lose.

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posted Jun 26, 2009

Incidentally, some people make excuses for both Spain (not the Spaniards who have been posting, on the whole!) and Brazil saying that the tournament doesn't matter, they don't care, etc. Apart from being a terrible accusation against their professionalism, if that is the case then how come there has been so little experimentation by the managers? Even when they were unhappy with strong tackles?

Both Spain and Brazil, players and managers, really wanted to win; Spain were about to set an all time record for consecutive victories. Don't insult them by saying they didn't care.

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posted Jun 26, 2009

Although this Brazil team is good (most or all have been), i dont think it has the flair that other Brazilian teams have had and i dont think its as good. Its a lot more industrious and thats partly down to Dunga. I dont think they will win a WC with this team.

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posted Jun 26, 2009

I really dont understand why Dunga didnt make some changes. It was quite clear that the formation and players he was using were not going to get a goal, and with the quality some of the players on the bench have you have to wonder why he didnt make a change.

Ramires was pretty awful, he didnt create anything and wasted what few chances he did have. I thought Felipe Melo was pretty useless too. I know in the earlier rounds Dunga wanted Melo and Gilberto to track back when the full backs make forward runs. However last night neither Maicon nor Santos were making much headway on either flank and the midfield was creating nothing. Therefore i cant see why Dunga made no changes.

Elano or Baptista could have offered something different and both can create and score goals something that Brazil needed last night. With 10mins to go Brazil should have been looking to win the game before it goes to extra time. They should be bringing on the likes of Pato, Elano, Baptista. Instead we saw Dani Alves and Kleberson. I know Alves scored the winner but i doubt that was why Dunga sent him on, to score a late free-kick.

I still have huge reservations about Dungas ability as a manager. He seems far too cautious and defensive, and i think unless he can change this side of him he may hamper Brazils chances of success in the WC.

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posted Jun 26, 2009

come on guys.... How many times does Man United play badly and still get the result they need. When this happens, everyone is like, "grinding out results is a true sign of a champion".

I am Brazilian, i dont think that we are favorites to win the world cup.

Its a nice change though. In my whole live, people have always loved Brazil and there footballing skills, but when we do play attacking football, we always seem to loose. 82 98 etc... We only win when we are bit more conservative 94 02 etc... People feel let down by this.

Maybe now its our time to be a bit boring but to win.... Spain play a great type of football, but if it wasn't for Brazil 1970, they would not no HOW to play this brand of football.

Maybe they will win one or two world cups in the near future, but i am sure they will disappoint more people along the way with performances like this one against the USA, as its impossible to live up to everyones footballing expectations.

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posted Jun 26, 2009

Re. bigmig67

Yes. it's a good point, but, as a United fan I don't always feel that way - I didn't think we played great this season generally and felt we were vulnerable; it was Liverpool's inability to win more that let them down.

More to the point, that's the league, 38 games. Brazil are playing in tournaments and last night it could easily have gone the other way which would have been the end of it for them; there's no time to recover the way we did after Liverpool and Fulham beat us.

The idea that Brazil playing Brazil-style football has led to defeats... They are the most successful nation on earth and they have usually lost when they don't play good football!

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posted Jun 26, 2009

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Your right mate, i know when United grind out results it is praised but when Brazil do it they are criticised.

However it is rare that Fergie would watch his team struggle to break a team down for 70 odd minutes without trying to change something, especially in a semi final. Brazil dont seem to have a Plan B if things arent working out, and they will need that if they are to win the WC.

Im sure nobody in Brazil would care if they won the WC with defensive football, but sometimes it pays to be a bit more adventurous and brave. Last night could have easily gone either way, if SA scored from a corner or got a defelcted goal Brazil would have been out and im sure they're would have been questions asked of the team and Dunga this morning.

Just because they got the result doesnt meant they're tactics and decisions shouldnt be questioned. The Con Cup is a learning process for both SA as a country and for the teams involved. I hope Dunga realised that sometimes he will need to be a little less cautious in order to get a result, i doubt it though.

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posted Jun 26, 2009

You see what you as an English person and i have different understandings of what good football means. In 94 we won, but by playing a much more european style than the previous years.

I can see how for an English man winning one world cup has to be seen as a success. But when you have won 5 of them, you can break these down and look at each individual performance. In Brazil we are very critical about the style of football we present during world cups. The first three world cups where dignified victories, the last two have been a bit more disappointing.

We are not only expected to win, but are also expected to do it in style....



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posted Jun 26, 2009

Re. bigmig67

No, we don't disagree - it was my fault, I misread what you were saying, very stupid of me! My apologies.

I think the idea of winning in a dignified way, one you can be proud of, is right. And I can understand your feelings about the style. The only time I felt unhappy watching Man United wasn't when we went down to the 2nd division but when we played bad, negative - and sometimes dirty - football.

Again, apologies for my misunderstanding and therefore slightly irrelevant post!

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posted Jun 26, 2009

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Im actually Irish so if we won a WC it would be the end of our world, the country would come to a complete standstill and we would party for at least a month non stop.

I understand with Brazil there is a need to entertain and win with style however i think the most important thing is to win. So if you were to win in SA with a defensive style of football id say everyone would still be pretty happy. It just might not go down in history as one of your finest WC.

Although with 5 already do you not think your being a little greedy???

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posted Jun 26, 2009

I was impressed by South Africa's quality of play. I saw a team working round the clock in preparation for the 2010 world cup and as a Nigerian, I was a bit afraid that our record of not having lost to South Africa in a competitive game at the senior level may have ended.

Nevertheless, I thought that South Africa should have converted one of its few bright chances during the game. Lack of a clinical finishing proved to be the bane of South Africa's game against Brazil and if that aspect of their game is worked hard upon, a savage beast may have been let loose south of the African continent.

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posted Jun 26, 2009

Re. babyfacedassasin2 (U12752495)
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bigmig67 (U13951523)
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Im actually Irish so if we won a WC it would be the end of our world, the country would come to a complete standstill and we would party for at least a month non stop.



Maybe if you invited the rest of us, something could be arranged...

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posted Jun 26, 2009

How can anyone, pundit or general public, make assumptions about Brazil or Spain's chances in next years World Cup, or even Brazil's chances on Sunday based on one game?

I watched the game last night and a lot of credit must be given to SA. They played deep and stopped Brazil playing through them. When Brazil did play through them, the final ball was a let down. Brazil played exactly the same way against the US in the group and spanked them. Slick passing football with the fullbacks providing the width.

Despite all the protestations on this and yesterday's board, neither them nor Spain will change their playing style. Much the same as England with the whole Lampard - Gerrard issue or the big man/small man strike partnership. I definitely know who my money will be on wnen it comes to predicting who will progress the furthest next summer!!

We'll see

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posted Jun 26, 2009

Re. chriswaddlespen

I completely agree with youir basic point - the idea that Spain losing to the USA suddenly means Spain are out of the running is simply dumb - but don't you agree there's a bit more to it? Surely every game tells us - and the managers and players - a bit more about the teams. These two games have certainly highlighted some weaknesses in both Spain and Brazil (actually, all games tend to highlight weaknesses and strengths to an extent). Also, one would expect a good manager to learn from the games and either make adaptations (plug the holes, so to speak) or at least be aware of how to change things if necessary.

And suppose Spain lose again to a similar team, or a team playing a similar way? How many games before they change? After all, look at Arsenal (no, this isn't a United fan having a gratuitous dig); they haven't changed enough and as a result haven't won anything. It was interesting reading a couple of the Spanish supporters on these forums; they eren't calling for radical changes but pointing out problems which had already appeared adn they were clear about the (fairly minor) changes they - and, apparently, many others in Spain - would like.

However, of course you are right that there is absolutely nor reason whatsoever to think that Spain and Brazil don't have at leasr a pretty good chance of making i to the semi-finals next year!

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posted Jun 26, 2009

comment by Charlton2Best2Law (U13987743)
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Re. it's only a game

Personally I wouldn's say so. Brazil made plenty of errors, and up until the goal were getting flustered and worried; their quality really didn's shine through! What did come across later was the SA inexperience and perhaps weaknesses: the free kick was good, but poorly defended. Similarly it was disappointing to see SA playing safe in the last third - last third of the match and last third of the pitch!

I think most neutral observers would agree that Brazil were fortunate and that 0-0 at the end of full time would have been about right.

But that is, of course, just my opinion!
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Thanks for the recap. As a Spaniard it's encouraging, though the idea that was playing at the back of my mind was that Spain's own fortunes might have been different if they had played a little more conservatively early on in the game.

The U.S. beat us well and proper and you're right, very few people in Spain are making excuses - which is a refreshing change.

Of course Spain were playing to win, but on the night they were only second-best.

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posted Jun 26, 2009

USA and Brazil in the final. It is becoming quite apparent that countries like that (with 200 million people or more) will be the force in the game for years ahead. It was only a matter of time before the American program would begin to take affect. Their depth is frightening. Brazil will always be Brazil but watch for the US to become a dominant force before long.

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posted Jun 26, 2009

Re. akaeyenstien (U13691697)
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USA and Brazil in the final. It is becoming quite apparent that countries like that (with 200 million people or more) will be the force in the game for years ahead. It was only a matter of time before the American program would begin to take affect. Their depth is frightening. Brazil will always be Brazil but watch for the US to become a dominant force before long.



I think that is a bit sweeping. One important factorm is, what alternatives are there within the country? Brazil doesn't really compete at world level in anything else, adn Football is its major sport. Football is pretty low on the USA priority list.

One of the ways we can be unfair about our own football performances - indeed, sporting performances generally - is that people forget we don't have an especially large popilation, yet we expect to compete at the highest level in more sports than any other nation I can think of. We are expected to eb at the top of Football, Rugby, Cricket; to perform well in athletics, tennis, swimming, cycling.

France, with twice the population, overall probably perform worse. How good are Germany, again with a larger population, at cricket and rugby? In tennis people rubbish our players; Roger Federer is Swiss - can anyone remind me of what else Switzerland have done in sporting terms - apart from winter sports!

However, I do think the USA will increasingly become a force in World Football and they are already ranked 14th, and have a fair record of World Cup appearances - but I can't see them ever dominating.

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posted Jun 26, 2009

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Thats a very fair point, if you look at the teams who have dominated world football over the last 50 years or so, Italy, Brazil, Argentina, Germany and more recently Spain.
None of these countries are especially successful in other sports. England do have top class rugby and cricket teams and have dominated cycling over the last 5/8 years. They also dont have the same size population as many of these other countries.

However when you consider that football is probably Englands most popular and best financed sport. That the EPL is one of the strongest leagues in the world, you would expect that they would have had a little more success over the last few years.

When you see some of the teams who have performed very well in WC and European Championships, the likes of Turkey, Greece, Croatia and S.Korea, you would exepct that England would have done better. There is no doubt but that England have underachieved.

I have a feeling though that England are going to do very well at the next WC. I know they have lost to Spain and France under Capello but both of those games were away. Under Capello the team looks a lot more balanced, settled and confident.

When you look at the performances of Brazil and Spain in the semis you can see they are both beatable teams. Italy are finished for the forseable future their team is too old and they dont have sufficient quality coming through. England if they have everyone fit will be a real handful at the next WC and im going to have a cheeky bet on them to do it.

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posted Jun 26, 2009

I thought South Africa should be proud of their performance last night. Brazil are suposed to be one of the top sides in the world and yet it took a fantastic free kick two minutes from time to beat S.A. I have travelled over from England to watch the Confed Cup and have no allegences to either side. Well done South Africa.

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posted Jun 26, 2009

One of the ways we can be unfair about our own football performances - indeed, sporting performances generally - is that people forget we don't have an especially large popilation, yet we expect to compete at the highest level in more sports than any other nation I can think of. We are expected to eb at the top of Football, Rugby, Cricket; to perform well in athletics, tennis, swimming, cycling.
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But look at Australia - then again, people who've been over tell me they're fitness freaks.

I wouldn't make much of Germany not performing in rugby or cricket though as most of the popularity of those sports is restricted to Commonwealth countries.

Germany do well in hockey and handball and are half-decent (I think) at basketball and volleyball.

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posted Jun 26, 2009

Re. babyfacedassasin2

Very briefly, you are right, of course, and I wasn't suggesting that we hadn't underachieved (hey, I was there in 66, and I've done a lot of suffering since... and I was still hearing about 1950 and 1953 back then...). And I agree, I think there are genuine grounds for more optimism. Funny, these days I wish we had players playing in other leagues!

How South Africa fare in the future will be intriguing - they, of course, DO compete at the top level with Rugby and Cricket!

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