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posted May 24, 2009

I hope those bloody yanks give him the money he needs. Honestly, letting those eejits own the club was a mistake IMO!! I think their idea of football was turning up at Anfield on match day and seeing our lads run out onto the pitch in body armour and crash helmets. Almost makes me wish for an Arab owner. Still, could be worse...see Newcastle United for further details!! LOL

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posted May 24, 2009

Yawn

Is Deep Throat your "contact?"

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posted May 24, 2009

How much is senna? I think he's a great player...

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posted May 24, 2009

ABZERMAN,

From what I have been told, the relationship between Rafa and the Americans is much better now. Certainly since Parry left (or more accurately, was forced out).

I don't think we will have problems with the Americans and money now. Rafa is a reasonable man, and that seems to be the understanding that both have adopted.

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posted May 24, 2009

kopboy27,

From what I know, I don't think Senna would be on the radar. He is older, and in Masch, he sees the best defensive midfielder in the world already at the club.

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comment by Fanboy (U1893463)

posted May 24, 2009

Did you used to be called LFC-Insider?

I dont think we'll sell Alonso anyway. it was the News of the World that came up with that story from his 'agent'. Both Rafa and Alonso himself have said that he wants to stay, so I fully expect him to be there next season.

If he goes to Madrid then i would want Van der Vaart or sneijder in part exchange.

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comment by TL_Kid (U13924893)

posted May 24, 2009

We were linked to Javi Martinez a while back - he plays a simalar type role to alonso and he's only 20 ish I think.

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posted May 24, 2009

Re:The General.
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Do you believe everything you read in the newspapers.?
This is the seconf article you have written about Xabi Alonso leaving.
The Liverpool manager has rubbished reports that he is selling Xabi Alonso,the player himself has said he has not intention whatsoever of leaving.So that should be the end of the matter.The exact words Alonso used were he is looking forward to a 6th season at Liverpool.

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posted May 24, 2009

I can see many departures this summer :- Pennant, HYYpia free agents, Leto, Voronin, Plessis, Dossena, Itandje, Arbeloa, Degen and several reserve team players that won't make the grade. Probably 3/4 quality players to come plus several new youngsters.

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posted May 25, 2009

I thought Arbeloa did ok this season but can do better. With the possibility of getting Glenn Johnson, and Arbeloa not even on the bench yesterday, who knows! Liverpool needs strikers, players that can win matches, and I dont really rank Barry. We have enough midfielders right now, unless we offload Lucas, and then Barry will be an ideal inclusion. Also there appears to be interest on A. Lennon and Downing. Not sure now re Downing and a metal pin in his foot (?).

I agree, 3-4 players: striker, FB and another midfielder. I would love it if Liverpool signs Tevez, the man is class. So possibilities are Tevez (Silva?), Johnson and Barry. I also heard that Rafa needs to boost his squad with English players, esp for CL registration. So Johnson and Barry are strong options.

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posted May 25, 2009

i agree, i quite like tom huddelstone. he is a pretty decent passer, both long and short, got a hell of a shot and physical. it could be a good shout, thing is i am also a fan of lucas and if we get him and barry then he would go. lucas is just starting to get going so its a dilemma

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comment by cj_don (U13928687)

posted May 25, 2009

The best player of Liverpool in season 08-09 is neither gerrard nor torres, its xabi alonso!

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posted May 25, 2009

Is Johnson a better option than say Micah Richards?

Is Tevez a better option than D Villa?

Is Barry a better option than Lucas?

I dont think either Johnson or Richards is up for sale, and if you are to spend as much as 15mill (this value cant be right, I think Evra was only about 8mill) - Richards played well on the right for England, So who would be the best for us?
Richards could at least play two positions, of CB & RB if required.

Torress was 24mill, how could we buy Tevez for 26mill?
For me Tevez would fall into a similar roll as Keane, his playing style would clash with Gerrard & i dont think Tevez does that well from the wide areas as we play Kuyt.
I also dont think he can lead the line as a sole striker, where I believe that Villa could play as sole striker, or off Torres and is a more flexible choice for us(though Tevez is proven in the EPL)

Barry or Lucas, It is very rare that we see both Xabi & Mascha injured at the same time, and Lucas usually fills in for one of them, Lucas played well in all the top 4 clashes, which we did well in, Barry seems to dissapear a lot (in my opinion)
Lucas already signed, Barry would cost circa 9mill
The main benifit of Barry is that he is English, and we will lose Pennant this season, so we need at least 1 English player, I think there are other English players at Villa that we should sign above Barry.

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posted May 25, 2009

WE DO NOT NEED GARETH BARRY. GERRARD, MASCH, ALONSO ARE PERFECTLY GOOD ENOUGH. LET'S CONCENTRATE ON A LEFT WINGER AND STRIKER. IT'S CLEAR THAT BENETIZ IS GOING TO STICK WITH TWO HOLDING, TWO WINGERS AND GERRARD TUCKED BEHIND TORRES, SO A LEFT WINGER AND A VERSATILE PLAYER LIKE TEVEZ SHOULD DO IT.

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posted May 25, 2009

Benitez would be a fool to let Alonso leave. He was one of the main reasons for the title challenge this year.

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posted May 25, 2009

Id really hate to see Alonso leaving. Especially if he is leaving to make way for a mediocre player in Barry. I dont really watch Villa games, but I didnt see anything special from the guy when watching Liverpool vs Villa.

Johnson and David Silva (or equivalents) are what Liverpool need to progress. Not another central midfielder.

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posted May 25, 2009

Lorik Cana from Marseille has my bet if Alonso leaves.

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posted May 25, 2009

If we have to compare alonso with barry, how would you rate them in terms of:

1) commitment and attutude

2) fluctuation in form

3) passing ability

4) defencing quality

5) attacking quality

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posted May 25, 2009

Imagine if torres got injured next season what team would we see?

-----------------Reina---------------
Johnson-----Carra-----Agger----Insua-
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Silva-------Alonso----Barry-----Riera
--------------Gerrard-kuyt-----------

And if gerrard got injured this team?

-----------------Reina---------------
Johnson-----Carra-----Agger----Insua-
-----------------Masch---------------
Silva-------Alonso----Barry-----Riera
------------------Torres-------------

Either way I want alonso in it and I think he will stay for sure.

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posted May 25, 2009

Who cares? There are far more important things in life than football or a second rate team like Liverpool. That manager that said there wasn't anything more important than football must be the saddest simple minded individual to ever walk the planet.... oh of course, he was from Liverpool. Says it all really.

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posted May 25, 2009

HE WONT GO!

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posted May 25, 2009

Sad little boy. Really does not see how comical it looks when you join a topic of debate to say "who cares?" then follow it up with more angry tormented dribble.

Numpty

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posted May 25, 2009

Xabi Alonso - Best passer of a ball i have ever seen since Pep Guardiola.

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comment by nsm1979 (U9045819)

posted May 25, 2009

Firstly Xabi HAS to stay, truly a player approaching his peak. Secondly, lets just get talk of Micah Richards Glenn Johnson and Stuart Downing out of the talk, they are all average players and suited to the teams they are at. Richards has been terrible in every game i've seen this season and his career is going backwards. Johnson has no defensive discipline and Downing didn't exactly shine in a side that was relegated. If Liverpool want to toplle united they can't be buying players just because they are english. I hope rafa's days of buying 6 or 7 players every summer are behind him. It took Ferguson many years to build a squad good enough to just add one or two top drawer players each year. Rafa has a squad that is at that point. If any thing we need more out than in. Babel, Pennant, Dossena and Ngog should all find new clubs Lucas should get another season to prove himself and Yossi needs consistency. Yes Barry is good and yes he is english but we need quality on the wing in the first instance. and he's not the solution for that. Signing Tevez would be a coup but would prefer Villa. My biggest concern is that despite a successful youth team there is still no local talent looking like breaking through. That is where we should be looking for our english contingent and not in some of the names that have been mentioned.

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posted May 25, 2009

Not many better than Alonso. We need him.

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posted May 25, 2009

Xabi Alonso leaving would not be the end of the world for a number of reasons:

1. Lucas Leiva has improved substantially this season and would be decent as a replacement
2. Gareth Barry is likely to arrive at Anfield and would be a fantastic replacement for Xabi.

However, Alonso is playing his best football, is perhaps the greatest passer of the ball in the premeiership and should he leave, it would affect liverpools challenge for the league next year as we do not have another passer like him (although Lucas is getting better and Barry is a good passer but not as good as Alonso)

so im hoping we dont sell him cos he is a great great player!

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posted May 25, 2009

trevorbarker,

If you care so little, stay out of it. Bet you're one of those 'characters' who wants to tell the world that football is overrated, before extolling the virtues of F1/cricket. Let it go, son.

Returning to the issue of transfers, I think we need Silva AND Tevez, plus Johnson and Barry. While Richards and Villa would be good acquisitions, City don't need to sell and Villa would leave us with insufficient funds for our other targets.

The sale of players such as Voronin, Lucas, Babel, Dossena, Plessis, Leto, Cavalieri, Hobbs and Degen should mean we can afford all the above while retaining Alonso. This would give us the world class squad needed to mount a successful league title bid.

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posted May 25, 2009

Your contact ain't the back pages of a newspaper or a bloke down the pub is it?

It pretty obvious he wants Barry and because Barry will be much cheaper in the transfer wage than last season he has no need to sell Alonso.

Barry will help sure up the left side for us which needs doing and he would be a very useful squad player.

I reckon Benitez will go in for Barry, a decent foward of sorts, dunno if that would be a striker or a versatile attacking midfielder and he may look for a RB or versatile defender for cover with Sami leaving, probably on the cheap.

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posted May 25, 2009

We need a back up striker to Torres but someone who is happy to sit on the bench, if we could have kept Crouch last year I really think we would have won the league playing him when Torres was injured, maybe we could go fro Kenwyne Jones or even Cisse again, he would be cheap and seeing as he sits on the bench for Sunderland i'm sure he'd be happy to do that for us!

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posted May 25, 2009

trevorbarker (U10797632)

posted 2 Hours Ago

Who cares? There are far more important things in life than football or a second rate team like Liverpool. That manager that said there wasn't anything more important than football must be the saddest simple minded individual to ever walk the planet.... oh of course, he was from Liverpool. Says it all really.
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What's the matter -have they cancelled Loose Women ?

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posted May 25, 2009

Xabi was our best player this season and is the best passer in the Premiership - Barry is a typical limited English midfielder, lots of effort but unable to run a match like Xabi.
The last player we should sell and if we do forget the Premiership next season.

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posted May 25, 2009

Barry is a typical limited English player.
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I agree.The so-called best midfielder in the premiership(well this is only in the republic of Salford),Michael Carrick falls into the same catagory.He may be competent,thats it competent,but You need to be more than competent to command a fee of 19 million.No wonder teams look abroad for talent when English players are qouted at nonsense fees like this.
Xabi Alonso is the third best player of his type in European football,the other three are also Spanish,Iniesta,Xavi.
Fabregas doesnt fall into this catagory as he is more of a Gerrard type,a driver.



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posted May 25, 2009

It is critical that we keep Alonso - he is a world class player; superb passer of the ball and our most creative player in terms of passing/fashioning openings. It was madness to contemplate selling him last year and would be madness to do likewise this year. Barry is not of the same quality. We need a second striker as cover for Torress - not sure if we ned Tevez if Benitez plays Torres up front with Gerrard playing just behind him (Gerrar'd best position). We ned to be strenghteninh not weakening our squad!

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posted May 25, 2009

Xabi Alonso is the best passer of a ball Liverpool have had since Jan Molby.Okay the great dane carried a few pounds,but he could spray passes around with his eyes closed.
Alonso is of the same ilk,but a more slimline version.
There is no English player,well apart from Scholes,but he's 35 that can do this.But the difference between Scholes and our Spanish magician is Xabi can tackle.
Thats why he must be kept.Mascherano is our wrecking machine,Gerrard is our engine and Alonso is the architect.
A valuable component to have in our engine room.
Alonso makes everything tiok,Would Gerrard and Mascherano perform as well without him.?I don't think so.

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comment by myerla (U11777123)

posted May 25, 2009

Alonso had a great season, i hope he stays.


In my opinion he is better then Barry

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comment by la_luz (U7683661)

posted May 25, 2009

interesting stuff. after reading this thread I called my contact, (quite reliable, but sometimes gets it wrong!) and my man told me that although rafa has barry on his wish list, he would sooner keep xabi and lucas than bring in the englishman. that said, my source went on to say that rafa would be happy to trade lucas for barry. I guess we have to wait and see.....

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posted May 25, 2009

Re;La Luz.
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I agree.If anybody was going to make way for Barry,It would have to be Lucas.As Lucas doesnt possess the strengths of the others.And Barry would be an improvement on Lucas.
So here's my solution.
1.Sign Barry and sell Lucas.
2.Sign Barry and keep Lucas.
But Alonso must stay,full stop.

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comment by la_luz (U7683661)

posted May 25, 2009

spot on.

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posted May 25, 2009

In my opinion Xabi Alonso has been Liverpool's player of the season in 2008/09. Alonso sets the tempo for matches by the quickness of his passing and does the simple things with very little fuss, this is without yet commenting on his creativity which is equally superb. To get rid of him would be a very bad move for the club, regardless of the arrival of Barry should it happen. I rate Barry highly but he is older than Alonso and I'm just not sure we would see the benefits of the amount of money we would be spending on him. Should he arrive, he would be a squad player - we know Benitez likes a certain amount of squad players in his system.

Regarding Huddlestone - I really hope this is not true. I personally do not rate him in the slightest, he can shoot - hard. But most of the time he is wasteful in possession and takes up poor posisitons in the middle of the field. I realise he is relatively young and could still offer more but to improve he would need to play regularly - I don't see that at Liverpool next season.

The best thing Liverpool could do would be to change nothing. Too many times we have sold/bought for impact to freshen the team up - if there was one time that we didn't need to do that, it would be at the end of this season. Taking our end-of-season form into next season could be the key to any success we would be chasing next term.

The only two areas to strengthen in depth would be defense, to replace Hyypia as a squad player (nobody springs to mind though) and up front - not to partner Torres but to step in for him should he be injured. I don't think David Villa is the answer as he is not powerful enough and could not play up front on his own as Torres does - albeit supported by Gerrard and/or Kuyt. Villa and Torres would never be suited up front together in the system Benitez prefers to play, although if Rafa can alter his preferred style of play - the potential that front-line poses would be scary.

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comment by Lewy (U1831370)

posted May 25, 2009

1 question does Barry have the koala-tea of Alonso? i doubt it

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posted May 25, 2009

forget about barry. keep alonso. he proved what hes all about this season.

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posted May 25, 2009

Alonso is at least 4 times as creative and potent as Barry so it is simply bizarre that Benitez has even thought this option through. That said where Alonso would thrive and be simply at home would be with Arsenal-he is a natural fit and it would make absolute sense in football terms if not financial ones to move to London.

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posted May 25, 2009

Selling Xabi = madness FULL STOP.
People were saying last year that we needed a few players (other than el nino and stevie g!) to step up to the plate and deliver to properly challenge. This season we have had a few and xabi has definetely be one of them (also kuyt and benayoun - 2nd half of season he bagged quite a few goals). I would never forgive rafa if he swapped Alonso for Barry. We dont even need Barry, he should stay at Villa Park as their key player and he'll stay in the england side.

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posted May 25, 2009

Alonso would be a perfect fit at Arsenal.
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Firstly.Xabi Alonso is going no-where.
Secondly,Rafa would never sell one of his top players to a rival.Would United sell Rooney to chelsea,no chance, so don't expect rafa to sell Alonso to Arsenal.
Thirdly.It would take far more than Arsenals 13 million transfer kitty to sign Alonso.
And finally Arsenal need a defensive holding midfielder,not a creator,so Alonso is not the answer for them.

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posted May 25, 2009

I reckon this 6+5 rule is what rafa is addressing. I think alonso is great attacking and defense but he rarely scores. Barry will improve liverpool and play in positions alonso would not. I have this feeling that rafa is going full blast and will keep xabi and get barry but sell babel and dossena and maybe riera to fund the deal for Silva. He is the main signing this year and a 10 mill mark striker

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posted May 25, 2009

I find it most amusing that no matter what Rafa says about not selling Alonso, a fact he stated more than once to the correspondent, the article still ends with:

"Alonso, who was expected to leave last summer, may be persuaded to move to the Bernabeu, with the prospect of Gareth Barry finally arriving at Liverpool still a possibility."

I suppose this means that we don't believe what anyone says anymore. If that is the case, why ask him?

Of course, if Liverpool want to win the championships Alonso must stay, and Rafa knows this. I agree with the comments concerning Barry. Frankly, midfield is the least of our worries. We need another quality striker to cover for Torres; we don't want to be blaming injuries again for not winning the championship in 2010. Teves would be ideal. Signing him would be a double bonus; he is good, and it would cheese Ferguson right off.

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posted May 26, 2009

All this "rafa would be mad to let him go...." talk is off the mark. IF Xabi goes it's because he wants to go. Rafa has stated explicitly that he wants him to stay.

With respect to Barry the idea of him being a replacement for Alonso is a joke really although I'd quite like him at Liverpool as a squad player.

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comment by Scott (U9387697)

posted May 26, 2009

As a lifelong Liverpool fan, and the jury still being out on rafa the Gaffer for me, again I have to quetion his logic here. Doubtless Barry is a great player & would be an asset in the team BUT, and I say this reservedly, I don't think he's so much better than Alonso to justify the expense in fact, there are some areas where Alonso would be preferable to Barry. I honestly don;t see the benefit in bringing in Barry if Alonso goes as well &, no "star" internationals are going to join Liverpool just to sit on the bench.

I would sell Lucas, Veronin & any other "fringe" players to raise funds. I would go for David Villa as another striker for firepower, maybe another defender to deputise for Jamie. Sell Riera and do somet with the left wing which is a problem area though, Benayoun switching right & left seems to be coming good. Gerrard through the middle which is still his strogest & most influential position and then, here's the radical bit, go for Michael Owen. He can still bang them in given the chances I'm sure, we should get him for pocket change now &, he can have no qualms about sitting on the bench or, being a "squad" player.

And for the love of all that ius decent & holy, can we please get some players through the academy!!!!! That is how Man Utd did it!!! It's just obvious!!
:);)

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comment by Fanboy (U1893463)

posted May 26, 2009

Rafa has said over and over and over and over again that he wants to keep him, but the papers just wont have it mate.

You cant question Rafas logic if you arent prepared to listen to him.

I agree about Owen, he says he'll cut his wages in half to get back in the Premiership and we'd get him for nowt, so I think that would be a very good move.

Barry would also be a good signing but only for 8m and no more than that. I would like Glen Johnson aswell but 15m is totally ridiculous.

We should have a look at Boro too. Hopefully we could get Downing as although he may not be the greatest player in the world, he has a lot of spirit and is used to taking full responsibility for his team, and we need more players like that.

I also wouldn't mind it if we looked at Tuncay to be honest, if we cant get Tevez.

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