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posted Apr 26, 2009

fastest driver in the fastest car and an artificially high placing, we will see at the end of the season, by then I reckon he will be mid-table

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posted Apr 26, 2009

If Andy Murray wins a major he doesn't have a prayer of SPOTY. The trend is very much against motorsport and large segments of the media will influence the voting towards any credible contenders from "real" sports.

I do however agree that this is Button's best win to date, and I'm very happy for the bloke. Here's hoping he can win in Monaco and Britain. After his desire to win the World Championship, I know that those are top of his to-do list.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Ahem.... Hungary 2006... Started from 14th on the grid.... :)

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Button was clearly the best driver. I challenge anyone who disagrees to show me that he made even a single mistake. Absolutely superb drive from him.

There were some great performances from many drivers today but none were better than Button.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

The artist formerly known as, I know he won a different race but he won that one through many drivers retiring in a poor quality car. I meant his best win in his new car with no safety cars / needing to overtake on track or through pit stops to win.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Totally agree, Button is achieving his potential and in a british car.

Is shaping into an excellent season.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Anything can change in a season of F1! not say im Not enjoying it but Anything can happen! ;)

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Button actually qualified 4th in Hungary 2006, and was given a ten place penalty. My point being that the car was actually quite fast, and the safety car and Alonso's misfortune handed the race to him on a plate. This was unquestionably a bigger achievement, in what all the experts this weekend described as the third best car.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Please don't jinx him so early in the season! :o)

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posted Apr 26, 2009

I agree its probably his best race but sports personality of the season are you serious, if hamilton didnt get it last year then why should button.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

As a Brit, I was proud of Button today, winning from non pole and producing a flawless drive! Fully deserved victory and his best yet for Brawn GP

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comment by CR9 (U13774762)

posted Apr 26, 2009

Button a true english driver

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Jenson's drive today was a joy to watch.
I hope that this year sees Brawn GP keep up with developments as the season progresses.
Jenson has always been a good driver, but when driving a dog of a car for several years it masked his true talent. I think if he continues to have confidence in the car, his mental outlook and self belief will keep him up front just as much as the raw pace of the car.

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comment by Funky (U1669534)

posted Apr 26, 2009

comment by CR9 (U13774762)
posted 31 Minutes Ago

Button a true english driver

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That makes 2 true English drivers on the grid now <biggrin>

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posted Apr 26, 2009

I was very impressed with Jenson today. A great win. His car was good, but not the quickest this weekend and he therefore answered a lot of questions. If Brawn can continue to develop the car and call strategy like they did today then Button can definitely have a serious shout in the WDC this year.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

I agree its probably his best race but sports personality of the season are you serious, if hamilton didnt get it last year then why should button.

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Becuase it wont coincide with the olympics...

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Can I just start by saying i really have a problem with Jenson Button

I can hold my hands up however and say great drive today.

There is not a chance the JB will be WDC, nore does he now or ever deserve to be. All of a sudden he is everyones hero. I am a huge Lewis Hamilton fan and yes what he has a tainted reputation but the guy is a pure winner.

my hate for JB flows from the last 2 seasons of him flapping around at the back of the field and then eventually just throwing in the towel. No working with the team, no come on guys we can make this work, no battle till the end, Yes he was in a dog of a car but Quitter doesnt even begin to describe the man.

Lewis however has turned up this season with a "dog" of a car and drove the wheels off of it, not complaining, always looking for positives and inspiring the himself and the team to develop and close the gap (something they will do)

It is going to be one hell of a second half to the season with Lewis firing and Jenson bottling it,

Will probably end up with Vettel taking the title

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posted Apr 26, 2009

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There is not a chance the JB will be WDC, nore does he now or ever deserve to be. All of a sudden he is everyones hero. I am a huge Lewis Hamilton fan and yes what he has a tainted reputation but the guy is a pure winner.

my hate for JB flows from the last 2 seasons of him flapping around at the back of the field and then eventually just throwing in the towel. No working with the team, no come on guys we can make this work, no battle till the end, Yes he was in a dog of a car but Quitter doesnt even begin to describe the man."

Hmm.. You know this makes you sounds very intolerant.

The Honda of the last two years were awful cars, and last season, there was only really development on areas of the car that suited Barrichello, simply because they were areas that were going to be passed on to this year's car (such as the brakes). As such, Button was hugely disadvantaged.

Saying that he was a quitter is also a complete misnomer. Just because he wasn't scoring points doesn't mean that he was giving up. Remember that the car was aerodynamically flawed, there was little stiffness in the chassis (This year's chassis is something like 207% stiffer) and the Honda engine lacked power.

Today, Button won a race he should, by rights, have had no chance of winning, having started behind both Toyotas and Vettel, and losing out to Hamilton's KERS enabled car at the start.

Oh, and your criticism of Button for not jeeing on the mechanics. He was one of the more vocal drivers towards the team, and worked tirelessly with the team over the season, having also worked with them faithfully since 2003.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

"if hamilton didnt get it last year then why should button."

Because Jenson has a personality and dosent sulk when things dont go his way?

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Great win for Jenson, and it was by far the best of the season for him.
He may win the BBC SP of the year and the criticism of him is unfounded, he has stuck with then through thick and thin, and now i thik it is great that he has a good car that suits him, I think he deserves it, after what he has had for the past 5 years anyway! ;)

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posted Apr 26, 2009

isn't it great to see jenson finally in a great car? everybody forgot about him the last couple of years but he's defo up there with alonso, hamilton and the new wunderkid vettel,the sad fact is HE ALWAYS HAS BEEN! and he'll go on and win this years driver championship and shut all his doubters up,oh and for the record i'm a scotsman who's always supported jenson from way back! and didn't jenson sell hamilton a dummy today at the end of lap 1? GO JENSON!!!!

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posted Apr 27, 2009

Button a true english driver

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That makes 2 true English drivers on the grid now biggrin

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3 if you include me, although I wasn't strictly speaking on the grid*.














*I was at home baking some rhubarb scones.

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posted Apr 27, 2009

Brilliant drive by Button. The best drive of his career. It looks like this years Championship could be the best ever real excitment for once not just a parade cant wait for Barcelona.

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comment by kevlegs (U1346450)

posted Apr 27, 2009

Hamilton_Royals09 said
There is not a chance the JB will be WDC, nore does he now or ever deserve to be. All of a sudden he is everyones hero. I am a huge Lewis Hamilton fan and yes what he has a tainted reputation but the guy is a pure winner.

my hate for JB flows from the last 2 seasons of him flapping around at the back of the field and then eventually just throwing in the towel. No working with the team.

Your post ticks all the boxes of a bitter blinkered fanboy.

He was at the back for 2 years because he had one of the worst cars on the grid. As mentioned previously, he always congrats his team etc and never "gave up".
As for not deserving to win the WDC ever you should look at your fav driver.

Now proved to be a liar who tried to gain extra points in a race while being the current WDC. Apparently disliked by the McLaren mechanics over the whole affair.
Hmmm who sounds the more deserving WDC?


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posted Apr 27, 2009

Why all the negatives about Button? there are many drivers who don't really get anywhere and don't improve.

People like Schumacher and Senna don't come along very often. Hamilton has the potential to be like these two legends, but he has to mature.

Button has been in below average cars for a while and it gets to a point where it's not worth risking your life by driving on the limit just to improve your position from last to twelfth.

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posted Apr 27, 2009

Well done to Button who looks a class act all of a sudden. I think Toyota dropped the ball in Bahrain but JB drove very well to take full advantage.

Solid drive from Lewis as well. I do think the mclaren car has the potential to dominate later in the season if they can get their fast corners sorted out.

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posted Apr 27, 2009

A superb win by Button and the Brawn team. Excellent driving on the first lap to create the opportunity supported by Ross Brawn's tactical superiority over the other team bosses.

As usual, we're starting to see negative comments about Button. Remember, Brawn told him to forget last years car and look forward to the 2009 model. The blame for the previous failure of this team rests with Honda. He is also outpacing his team mate and I for one, can only wish Button well for the rest of the season. I hope he goes on and takes the title.

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posted Apr 27, 2009

Well done JB, I have been sceptical about him as I think he has not showed enough even with a car not so good in the past. People forget he has been in F1 for 8+ seasons and Hamilton only 2+ and almost scooped 2 WDC. Hamilton is still learning and will one day surpass Schumacher t titles. But in terms of skill Hamilton is better than JB. McLaren have had a bad car first 3 races. But apart from the Melbourne debacle, Hamilton in a bad car has been in the points. Over the last 8 seasons Button just accepted his faith and has got more points this season than in 8+ years.

As for a true English Driver. You guys forget Hamilton's mother is English and last time I checked Hamilton was born in England.Th real test is to see if JB can hold his nerve to win WDC and how does respond from set backs, either self induced or not. All in all I must say F1 is fast becoming my second sport I follow. The muppet who said LH "lied"..you forget he was obeying team orders. Hence one of the tema big wigs of 20+ years was sacked. It is not as if they said LH ram and kill your opponent where any sane person would have said no way. On another note compared to the bigots and bufoons on here. It is sad to see Ferrari's demise. I hope they improve of the season so I can enjoy more banter with their fans.

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comment by Mike (U8328903)

posted Apr 27, 2009

Must admit I am pleased to see Button up there and have always rated him as a quality driver. I personally dont think he would beat Hamilton, Raikonen, Vettel or Alonso in the identical car but see no reason he cant win the title if they keep the car development up. If that was the case he would be a worthy winner perhaps in the vein of Damon Hill because both have sufficient quality to make the most out of what they are given. As Brundle is always telling us and its obvious on screen, his driving style is very smooth and this contributes to the efficiency with which he extracts the best from a car.

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comment by caxi19 (U13630739)

posted Apr 27, 2009

Button is a more talented driver than Hamilton but Lewis is arguably a better racer. What Jenson did yesterday was he produced a Schumacher-esque drive as EJ said himself. Jenson would be a more than adequate world champion too and a fellow who deserves it for all the politics he has had to deal with in the sport.

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posted Apr 27, 2009

Does button have a good enough car to compete and win the championship come oct/nov?

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comment by caxi19 (U13630739)

posted Apr 27, 2009

Brawn GP say they have a package that adds 0.6 to their margin.

You have to fancy Red Bull to dominate when they get the double diffuser. Jenson knows that I think.

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posted Apr 27, 2009

Does button have a good enough car to compete and win the championship come oct/nov?

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posted Apr 27, 2009

It really annoys me when people comment on here that someone doesn't deserve to win.

I would love for someone to tell me what makes someone deserve to win, last time I checked this isn't an award, who ever crosses the winning line first is the winner deserving or not.

Personally I think Jenson had a great race and I am excited to watch what the other teams pull out of the bag for Spain.

I know and understand that people are entitled to there own opinions but please try to back them up with realistic facts and data and not just because you think the guy is smug.
I think if I was having the season of my career i would be smug too.




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posted Apr 27, 2009

"my hate for JB flows from the last 2 seasons of him flapping around at the back of the field and then eventually just throwing in the towel"
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Wouldn't you?

For two seasons in a row they had a car so bad they just gave up on developing it and moved onto the next year. After the finish to the 2006 season it must have been a real kick in the guts to get into the 2007 car.

What must it be like to know you're good enough to win races if you had a car like the guys at the front but you're stuck in an absolute dog that's not being developed?

As Rubens says there was nothing they could do with it. It just wouldn't respond to any setup changes they made to it and the engineers were as stumped as the drivers.

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posted Apr 27, 2009

"You have to fancy Red Bull to dominate when they get the double diffuser. Jenson knows that I think."

Hmm... I'm not convinced.

REmember that they will have to sacrifice some of their pace in order to install it - they'll have to compromise with their rear end and suspension. Gains may only just out-weigh losses.

And if Brawn's improvement is 6 tenths, then they'll need a huge improvement at Red Bull to keep up!

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posted Apr 27, 2009

Great... finally some sensible comments, there have been some very negative coments about JB, all rubish posted by people who have no understanding of F1.
JB drove the race to perfection, taking his opertunities well.

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posted Apr 27, 2009

Why is it that article labeled "Buttons Best Win" becomes yet another debate about Lewis?? Jenson drove a fine race, overtook where it mattered as proved by Vettel who seemed to suggest traffic was his downfall, well if you can't overtake when you need to thats the price you pay! Lewis is a good driver but has missed the apprecticeship of driving at the back of the grid like Button has had to and the maturity that comes of that plus Button isn't bitter about the British press ignoring him for two years!

PS What is the "True English Driver" point aimed at??

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posted Apr 27, 2009

Aside from the Brawn v RB v MC debate, note the slightly worrying trend that, without rain/SC etc, we were back to a race decided pretty early on and with strat playing a key part in the result. Yes, there was clearly overtaking going on, but it had much more of a tyre/fuel/pitstop feel to it than the previous three races.. I guess Bernie will be aiming for more rain windows in future races, in order to improve the 'show' ... + if we are back to a more strat-dominated race scenario, then who wants to bet against Ross Brawn ? + for all those bemoaning Ferrari at present, remember the dismal period pre-Todt/Brawn annd Schumy - it went on for a long while.

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posted Apr 27, 2009

I believe JB is a word class driver that has for various reasons not had the car to drive to display his talents. He is a very smooth driver which you can see when comparing his handling from cockpit views with other drivers.

I think though credit here lies with Brawn. He has not only wrestled two cars onto the grid but made it competetive and inspired his drivers. Barricello has a spring in his step and both drivers look relaxed and as if they are enjoying themselves. This is fantastic for F1 Keep it up Brawn.

As for LH - great job on the weekend in an inferior car. Toyota though must be disappointed after a tactical nightmare.

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posted Apr 27, 2009

"my hate for JB flows from the last 2 seasons of him flapping around at the back of the field and then eventually just throwing in the towel. No working with the team, no come on guys we can make this work, no battle till the end, Yes he was in a dog of a car but Quitter doesnt even begin to describe the man.

Lewis however has turned up this season with a "dog" of a car and drove the wheels off of it, not complaining, always looking for positives and inspiring the himself and the team to develop and close the gap (something they will do)"


its not the same situation.. Ross Brawn and Honda wrote last years car off to focus on this years car.

Mclaren haven't written their car off this year.

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posted Apr 27, 2009

"There is not a chance the JB will be WDC"

What odds will you give me then?

The last eight drivers who won three out the four opening races of the season went on to become WDC. So JB must in with a chance!

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posted Apr 27, 2009

Like I wrote yesterday, there are some people who will come up with and half baked reason to knock someone they don't support, (one Hamilton supporter actually wrote yesterday that Hamilton let Button past, not even realizing this was an insult to his own favourite. Talk about blind hatred. Just read busterhouse today. "Lewis turns up with a dog of a car". The Mclaren is obviously a long way from a dog of car. It just isn't quick enough to keep up with the front runners. The he says "he drove the wheels off it". If he did what does that say about Button who passed him.
But then they are not true fans, so will never appreciate the sport for what it is. They just want their guy (or team) to win, and so can't give credit to a performance on merit, from anyone else.
You can find these, so called fans, everywhere, on football pages and tennis. Their only interest seems to be, knocking anyone but their choice. Just read some of them on Andy Murray. They refuse to concede he is one of the four best tennis players in the world, even though he keeps on proving it.
And, so it is with some on here. No matter what Button does, he'll never get any credit from them.

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posted Apr 27, 2009

Canadacharles, <ok>

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posted Apr 27, 2009

Good to see Jenson post another concrete result; what a laughing stock Flavio is becoming! But JB's best win? Hungary 2006 starting from 14th was rather special.
I would be happy to see Jenson as 2009 champion but thank heavens Bernie's daft medals system was parked. By the time the other teams get their diffusers sorted out, Jenson could have had a medal-based system wrapped up. In the last four years, 6 or 7 wins was the most that any single driver achieved so with 3 under his belt, JB might have been half-way to the title already.

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posted Apr 27, 2009

It's great that Jenson has at last been provided with the opportunity to display the talent he showed when he first appeared in F1.

It has to be acknoweledged that given what appears to be currently, the best car in the field, there are probably at least half a dozen drivers in the sport who could have achieved similar results. However, if we look at what has happened we can see that Jenson has achieved the best possible result he could have, given the handling of the car, in every race of the season so far.

No one can really ask for more than that.

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posted Apr 27, 2009

Im British therefore i want a brit to win and i dont care whether its hamilton or button. Having said that now buttons got a lead in the championship i would prefer him to win a race just because button has more chance of the title.

How good would it be to have two different britons win it in successive seasons. Has that ever happened before?

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posted Apr 27, 2009

I think it's about time that jb made a genuine assault on the championship,and now he has the right car i dont think anybody can catch him.<run>

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posted Apr 28, 2009

Where will LH be driving next season? Will he and JB both be driving for Brawn GP in an entirely British team? Maybe we will even see British Racing Green return as a colour to F1?
I'm also waiting to see MM and BE find any kind of reason to kick McLaren out of their playground and stop playing in their private little game.

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