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CARL FROCH

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posted Apr 26, 2009

I don't rate Froch. He talks trash and Calzaghe would have have the beating of him no problem. Taylor was way winning the fight tiill the KO

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posted Apr 26, 2009

He's a loser and im never ever wrong.I earn a living from betting big fights.Thats why i left this guy alone.All he has is a big mouth..

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posted Apr 26, 2009

He was getting totally outclassed but fair play to froch for coming back - I cant argue with the stoppage Taylor was gone, ref had no choice. But Taylor will be kicking himself that he didnt knock out Froch after the knockdown, Froch eyes were all over the place when he took the count, but Taylor just couldnt finish him off. IT was the 1st Pavlik fight all over again for Taylor.

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comment by T_J (U7725783)

posted Apr 26, 2009

"I earn a living from betting big fights."
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hahaha, for someone who makes a living on big fights I find it strange you didn't put a tipple on Froch as he was a big underdog.
Missed an easy 6/1 cash in! I am pickin up my 165 tonight, thank you very much!

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comment by cov rob (U4276650)

posted Apr 26, 2009

I've been reading a lot on the boards today and I can't believe how many idiots there are. So many people are saying "Taylor was winning until the KO." So what? the fight is twelve rounds, and if Froch knocks Taylor out in the 12th, then he wins. Should Man Utd be docked 2 points because they scored the winner in extra time against Aston Villa.

Absolute idiots, and fair play to Froch, gonna watch the fight tonight, can't wait after the one versus Pascal was 12 rounds of pure entertainment

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comment by MRoom (U12575364)

posted Apr 26, 2009

Froch may not be the most gifted fighter, but he hes been prepared to put his belt on the line in someones backyard and everyone should respect that. Ok, he got outboxed for most of the fight but never seemed to stop beleiving, and got a result. JC and Hatton had a few good victories each but mainly padded records - i think Froch will be a worthy champion

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Not seen the fight yet but good to see Froch won it. Some people on here need to hold their horses though, Calzaghe would take him to school!

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posted Apr 26, 2009

what did u mean there? u need 2 give credit to this guy CF for the TKO.... he was being outclassed.... remember JC vs BH..... JC being kocked down in the first round... I still believe till 2day BH should av won with an unianimus deciesion. CF is a true warrio. He hasnt distanced himself from the big fight. he wants to take them all on. this is unlike JC fighting washed up RJJ and doing a runner after the fight by retiring. if hes got d balls, he needs 2 come out n give boxing fans wat i think shoud be an epic fight. "BIG KUDUS" to CF

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Well done to Carl Froch and a good showing from Taylor who must be kicking himself for wearing himself out. Froch must have taken a leaf out of Eubank's book for putting on a stormer of a 12th round. Well done to them.

Taylor is calling for a rematch; I'm not sure that's such a good idea...

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posted Apr 26, 2009

I haven;t seen the fight yet but will tonight. The strange thing for me is that the consensus is that Froch was losing heavily until he got the KO. But one of the official ringside judges had the score at 106-102 in favour of Froch at the time of the KO (the other two had both had the same score but in favour of Taylor). Thats according to: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/26042009/58/froch-stops-taylor-defend-world-title.html anyway. Seems odd that one judge can have a completely different view.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

i imagine then Coverleeds that they must have been extremely tight rounds to call. It all depends on the judge watching. Its true Froch doesn't have the 'slick' skills of other boxers but in terms of 'Bang for Buck' he IS a top class fighter. Calzaghe won't take him on, but Kessler will...provided WBA allow it of course.

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comment by ted (U6576923)

posted Apr 26, 2009

what a joke froch is.he was totally outclassed for 12 rounds.yes he won and well done to him but he was made to look like a amateur and got very lucky in the end to stop taylor.

taylor is a natural middle weight and not known as a big puncher yet he floored froch,so much for carls cranite chin?

all in all a very poor performance from froch.hes still calling out joe calzaghe lol forget about that carl will you you chump.

you will never be as popular as joe as you are not as good as fighter as him,clearly.

also froch says he knew what he was doing by letting taylor tire out and then knock him out lol wise up carl.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

To be honest mate the middle rounds were almost impossible to score. They really could have gone either way.

Credit to Froch but there's little doubt that Taylor has some serious stamina/concentration issues. He's lost 3 of the last 4 now and to be honest I'm not sure there is any way back for him now.

Froch's a quality brawler and exciting but he's nowhere near Calzaghe's class and really doesn't want to get in to the same ring as Kessler any time soon!!

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posted Apr 26, 2009

In all seriousness, may not be good as Calzaghe skill wise, but has already surpassed his career wise.

I mean he did something joe never did once: Take a risk

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posted Apr 26, 2009

I stayed up and watched the fight on a stream. I gave Taylor the 1st,3rd,4th,5th,7th.

Obviously the 3rd was a 10-8 round.

Therefore i had the fight 104-104 going into the last round.

The Showtime commentator had it 105-103 Taylor, ringside analysts were split 105-103 Taylor, 105-103 Froch, and 104-104.

I don't understand why all the reviews have said he was easily getting beat until the KO. Froch came storming back in the last 5 rounds winning each of them. All Taylor was doing was looking fancy for the last 30 seconds of these rounds but Froch was dominating the first 150 seconds.

If you get a chance to watch the fight you will see Froch was getting beat badly until the start of the 8th where he picked up his game. From then on it was a performance of pure heart and guts. Big Big congratulations to Froch on providing two thrilling fights in a row and having a never-say-die attitude.

Also if you watch a repeat of the fight, check how composed Froch is in the 12th. He's smiling and keeping his distance to allow maximum power, completely dominating Taylor.

Fantastic fight, well worth staying up for. It just seems to me all these newspaper columnists went off to write a report after the 7th round missing all Froch's good work.

Official Scorecards were " lots of Taylor 106-102, and one Froch 106-102

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posted Apr 26, 2009

I thought the fight really demonstrated the skills and cons of both fighters very well last night.

Taylor is slick, fast and skilled but tires late on and is overly cautious after a knockdown.

Froch has a big punch and very solid chin but looks very open defensively especially to the right hand.

Great kudos to CF for taking this fight but I'd rather see him in a barnstorming with Andrade or Bute than Kessler. Jermaine Taylor was outboxing Carl clearly in the first half of the fight when his flaws set in and his punch output dropped. When he was punching he was highting carl. Kessler wouldnt stop punching all 12 rounds.

Carl needs to build his domestic audience with a triumphant UK return bout shown on primetime and address his flaws before he can consider calling out Calzaghe. Even the supremely confident Froch admitted himself after the fight it was only his 25th win and he was still learning! That was very telling I thought.

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comment by robzaba (U2159929)

posted Apr 26, 2009

If Froch fights and beats at least 6 top fighters or champs then he could argue to have a better record in terms of the quality / age of his opponents, that would mean Bute, Kessler, Dawson, Hopkins etc etc. You never know, but on last nights performance Froch will find it tough not to get outboxed by some of these guys. He needs to do some work on defence, perhaps change his trainer?

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Coverleeds ; You are right. I have seen the fight. It was very close. It could have gone either way. Most people on this blog just dont seem to like CF. I think this guy deserves a lot of credits

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comment by ocarey (U13734465)

posted Apr 26, 2009

haven't seen the fight yet but apparently froch was being outboxed from rounds 1-11 but a boxer should always remember that a fight is 12 rounds! froch won because he was better prepared and on an off night his superior power and chin carried him through.

froch is a great fighter to watch especially for the neutrals and is one of the best britain has got. i am sick of brittsh people constantly rejecting their most successful sons.

however it must be noted that if JC comes out to fight him, which he won't because there is nothing in it for him, CF would be beaten. but JC is a name of the past and we must embrace our names of the present and future and apreciate what they achieve.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

I'm really tired of this JC being a good boxer... hw good is he really? hw many big fights has he fought? ok you mention Kessler, won a debatable decision against BH, another against out of sort RJJ and that is it. This is after 10yrs of hide and seek fighting journey men boxers/no hoppers. Get it real man.... JC has done a runner. He is nt a warrior, nt a fighter, nt a boxer but an ordinary boxer who slaps

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Firstly congrats to Froch really gutsy win - as for your point about being better than Calzaghe, i don't see it - Froch was behind heavily until the KO and don't forget there are serious question marks around Taylor for a while now

I think Froch can be a very good champion and could have the making of Bute etc but i think against a top top fighter he'd maybe be found wanting....though i'd still love to see the fight cause even if he lost it would be damn entertaining (if his last fights are anything to go by)

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posted Apr 26, 2009

A superb win for Froch. To put his title on the line in Taylor's backyard and come away with a tko victory is admirable. Would love to see Joe Calzaghe come out of retirement for an all British showdown at Wembley stadium but I don't think it will happen. Calzaghe would easily win but the build up and first few rounds would be well worth watching.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

In all seriousness, may not be good as Calzaghe skill wise, but has already surpassed his career wise.

'I mean he did something joe never did once: Take a risk'

Please! Can we not give Carl Froch some credit without knocking Calzaghe. Froch doing well doesn't diminish a retired Calzaghe one little bit.

For the record taking on the undefeated Kessler and Lacy were BIG risks.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

This is the problem with the vast majority of our boxing fans. They just want to see our guy lose so they can rip him off and never give him a second chance. Amir Khan is a good example - okay he was too arrogant for his own good to start with but now he's training with Roach and sparrign with Pacquiao. Let's face facts, Khan is only going to get better.

I haven't seen the Froch fight yet (ITV4 8pm) but i listened to it and it sounded too close to call. the two 106-102 scores to Taylor are probably because of the final 15 second storm which he picked up - americans generally prefer that than a consistant performer throughout the rounds.

Froch was fantastic, okay so he doesnt have the slickness as Hatton, Haye or Calzaghe have but he's got the heart, chin and above all else, sheer power and as a result is a worthy champion.

LONG LIVB KING COBRA!

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Carl = Warrior, Joe= Bum

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comment by Steve (U9429468)

posted Apr 26, 2009

Kessler would knock Froch clean out. He is a technically better boxer with better punches.

Froch isnt even a real champion he merely won the vacant belt against a very poor opponent in Pascal.

He was outclassed by an aging Taylor who is well past his best.

Froch will never be a proper world champion. When he can win one of the other belts like the WBO or IBF then he may actually get some respect for now he is nothing but a Bum.

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comment by Steve (U9429468)

posted Apr 26, 2009

Forgot to mention Pavlik could beat Froch quite easily aswell.

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comment by WalshK (U9618207)

posted Apr 26, 2009

Scubar2k8 (U9429468)
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Are you Joe in diguise??? Or maybe Frank Warren?

Aging Taylor? Yeah that 28 year old has-been has seen better days. He doesn't have the heart for a scrap and didn't wanna take a risk.

Kessler might beat Froch, but by a K.O? Unlikely as Froch has a good chin.

You know nothing about Boxing, Retire from 606.

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comment by Steve (U9429468)

posted Apr 26, 2009

Clealy you know nothing.

You dont even know how old Taylor is. Hes 31 very shortly so yes he is past his best years now. His best time was when he was mid 20s.

Maybe you should learn about the sport before trying to comment on it because all you have acheived here is making n ass of yourself. Bravo.

HAve a nice day smiley

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Well done to Froch. I really didn't think he could do it, and thought Taylor would box his head off easily, which it looked like he was doing.

I didn't give Froch a round untill the 8th. Such a great comeback. It was a big risk this fight and it payed off, I wont doubt him again.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Disappointed to hear Froch call out Calzaghe,is that the best he can do,it's embarrassing,call out a retired fighter,he needs to prove himself now against someone who's still fighting,Kessler,Hopkins,maybe Pavlik,beat them guys and maybe then he's earned the right to call out Calzaghe though i doubt Joe would bother,i think all true boxing fans recognize that Joe Calzaghe would give Froch a boxing lesson,froch is just looking for a pay day,after all he was only 14 seconds from losing his Micky mouse title against a over the hill Taylor,however on that note well done to him for pulling it out of the bag.......

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posted Apr 26, 2009

I'm sorry scubar28k you can't say that Froch needs to win the WBO belt to get respect and get away with it.

Do you know who the WBO champ is? Karoly Balzsay! If you genuinely believe that a win over him is worth more than one over Taylor then its pretty clear who is making an ass of themselves.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

"... the consensus is that Froch was losing heavily until he got the KO"

I watched the fight last night and i don't agree with that at all. It was extremely close going into the last round. Taylor had started stronger (and got the early knockdown) but in the second half of the fight he was conserving energy and just trying to nick rounds by doing all his work in the last 10 seconds. You only have to look at both boxers faces by the final round to see who had taken more punishment.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

"I reckon he can have a better career than Calzaghe,"

A shorter more exciting one perhaps.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

I watched the fight online last night and I have to say firstly that I was thoroughly entertained throughout. People on here are saying Taylor dominated him, but it was hardly a "domination", he was just a little slicker, and if a guy is flashier, usually people are misguided into thinking hes the better fighter. Froch did everything he had to last night to start a great career, like a true champ he got up from the flash knockdown (which to be fair to him he wasnt really hurt by, just caught, like anyone can be), then he TKO'd a man thought to be much too good for him, and he did it with pure guts, determination and confidence. I can actually see the Yanks warming to Froch and his never say die attitude. Well done Carl, youve done England proud!

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Calling Carl Froch a 'bum' after a win like that shows how little you know about boxing.

.. and the guy earlier who called JC a bum i just wonder if you are a boxing fan at all.

JC beat Kessler who is now considered to be no.1 in the division. Even if that was the only top flight win in his career it would make him far far better then a 'bum' !!

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Seems like that win will shut all the doubters up for abit anyway!

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Scubar - Froch a 'bum'? Are you serious?

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posted Apr 26, 2009

If he's that good, he don't need Calzaghe. There are plenty of big fights out there.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

comment by Scubar2k8 (U9429468)
posted 16 Minutes Ago

Kessler would knock Froch clean out. He is a technically better boxer with better punches.

Froch isnt even a real champion he merely won the vacant belt against a very poor opponent in Pascal.

He was outclassed by an aging Taylor who is well past his best.

Froch will never be a proper world champion. When he can win one of the other belts like the WBO or IBF then he may actually get some respect for now he is nothing but a Bum.
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you really are a bit of a whining tosspot aren't you? a belting fight like that and you're still complaining?

for the record, i think calzaghe destroys froch, kessler would have finished him in the third and while taylor is past his best, age has got nothing to do with that. froch is older than taylor anyway so it's laughable using taylors age as an excuse.

can't we just enjoy an exiting victory over the yank vermin?

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Agreed eriktheblueuk - the SM division is stacking up nice with Kessler, Bute, Andrade and Froch at the top;Jacobs, Green, Miranda and Ward in the next echelon - there is also talk of Abraham stepping up from MW...

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posted Apr 26, 2009

After watching the fight I felt Froch was very lucky he woke up in the final minutes of the 12th round as Taylor tired.
Froch was outboxed in every round but did land some shots in the second half
He is clueless in defence and at his age its unlikely he will improve much
He is a class B fighter unable to put together combinations as hes too slow with hand speed hes just lries to land big punches
Hopkins would destroy him even at his age Froch is useless at in fighting he need room to land big haymakers and Taylor usually able to evade him until last minutes
His habit of letting his hands down around his waist is stupid as any hard puncher with moderate hand speed will nail him
If hes wise dont take on any class fighters or risk being exposed, maybe Pavlik who hits hard has a good chin and relatively poor defence skills they may be a match up who knows , but last nights fight was not very good at all until last round in my opinion.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

That's what I'm talking about! That's what boxing should be about. Winning a title and defending against the best!

Well done, Carl. You certainly made a mockery of the odds-makers and those TV executive muppets who refused to screen the fight live! laugh

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posted Apr 26, 2009

The way forward for Froch now is to fight Bute and Kessler, in any order. A rematch with Taylor would be okay, but if he wants to measure himself against Calzaghe, a fight with Kessler will give a good indication, and also show how good Calzaghe really was.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

mrireland - your thoughts were echoed by a panthenon of boxing fans on every internet forum: Last night Carl Froch dispelled your theories/forecasts/opinion and showed why he is a world champion.

Class B? Class B fighters don't take their world title to a challenger's backyard, get up off the canvas, fight hard for 12 rounds and then get a KO.

"Hard puncher with moderate handspeed will nail him" mate he fought one last night and won. Ridicluous post.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Carl Froch is a joke! he wouldn't stand a chance with calzaghe. remember pavlik beat taylor twice then got smashed by hopkins who calzaghe beat. Taylor wasn't in his prime just on the decline and never fully recovered from pavlik losses. Lets make no mistake froch did nothing in the fight until taylor had nothing left. taylor was 50 seconds away from win. Who before taylor had froch fought? He keeps calling out calzaghe but lets see him against kessler. he has the biggest mouth in boxing he genuienly believes his own hype. Kessler will mash him up.

Calzaghe would prove nothing by beating froch now. froch has beaten 1 name in 27 fights. and he is 31.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

If Froch can get as good a chant as Joe Calzaghes "Super Joe Calzaghe" then he will get my support laugh

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posted Apr 26, 2009

What an unbelievable fight, so exciting. I was jumping up and down in the 12th round!

Fremans mate, your comment is spot on. If anyone actually did watch the fight, and not just read the biased bbc report, you would see that the fight was virtually even going in to the 12th round. Froch came back very well, and i'm delighted he won.

There's also a few comments on here which make me laugh. The WBO is NOT better than the WBC belt. Moving on, regardless if you like Froch or not, he's no fraud and he deserves respect. Beating Taylor in his first defence can hopefully silence the uber biased JC fans. No doubt Froch will be aiming for a kessler or Bute for his next fight.

P.s there's no way JC will come out of retirement.

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Well done Carl for getting urself out of trouble. That took some real heart.

Think he needs to improve his boxing skills before talking about Joe or Kessler or Hopkins.

He fights like his trainer. When I was a kid I went to the same gym as McCracken who was a great amateur that was about to turn pro at the time. If had a trainer of the calibre of a Roach he would have been a Champ himself but they were far from it. Unfortunately McCraken can only teach what has been taught himself and that isn't good enough to take Carl any further. Sorry Rob!!! Bring on Manny Steward!!

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posted Apr 26, 2009

Well Done Froch, Seen a little bit of the fight, but one question why call out JC ? Come on man look to the future, Joes gone ( He would have beaten Froch Anyway ) But Froch has gone to America and fought a half decent American fighter..so big up to Carl....Well done...Pavlik , bute or Kessler thats the future for Froch...Interesting..see how good that chin is and how far his never say die attitude will take him rather than slick quick boxing skills..But he is English man lets get behind him...Haway Carl Froch knock them ooot

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