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The Roof Is Ready

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comment by Bourne (U3020163)

posted Apr 21, 2009

Why only 2200 though, why not beyond midnight if needs be ? Is it just because of the transport problems ? Because if so, what's it going to be like come the Olympics ? <erm>

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posted Apr 21, 2009

Stratford is a lot better connected though in terms of public transport, especially once the fast trains to St Pancras are in for the olympics, than wimbledon, which is basically reliant on one way in, one out, district line branch line.

Probably a combination of transport and local authority saying 10pm is late enough.

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posted Apr 21, 2009

There's no floodlights installed... so will still have the same issues if matches get to 21:30ish... although with no distruption in play this should no longer be an issue.

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comment by Snape (U3018951)

posted Apr 21, 2009

The tube could always run until 1 in the morning and no doubt one day they will look into that as America is always plus 5 hours behind us and I am sure they would love to see Centre Court when they are not at work.

I have been at Wimbledon on Centre Court until really late and dark, in fact Henmans match against Moya I think have a picture of it somewhere because the roof was off.

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posted Apr 21, 2009

thankgod for the roof, nadal got so lucky last year with the rain breaks comming at opportin times and also playing in the dark.

the roof all but assures federer of a 6wimbledon crown

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posted Apr 21, 2009

Stuart - I didnt think they had lights a closed roof will make it worse for light wouldnt it ??

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comment by Snape (U3018951)

posted Apr 21, 2009

It does have lighting I do believe, will have to check but pretty sure they do have artificial lights.

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posted Apr 21, 2009

Of course, there's only one roof so rain delays on the other courts can still present a scheduling problem. And if it is raining and they have to move other matches onto centre court at non-scheduled times, will the surface be able to survive the increased traffic? More matches might mean less grass come finals weekend.

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posted Apr 21, 2009

will have to check but pretty sure they do have artificial lights.
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grateful if you could - I was under the impression that floodlights were not included.

Unlikely to get night matches because of the residential nature of SW19 so no point ??

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posted Apr 21, 2009

There will not, nor will there ever be floodlit tennis at Wimbledon.

Under floodlights, grass gets very dewey (as anyone who has ever played or seen floodlit cricket will testify to), and as such it would be way too dangerous to play in these conditions.

The roof is transparent for this reason... it's not designed to extend play, more to ensure play is continuous.

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posted Apr 21, 2009

Mycroft _ I'm pretty sure that CC is in continuous use anyway. More to do with providing live coverage for TV I suspect - and avoiding late tournament delays ?

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posted Apr 21, 2009

Yeah I don't think there are lights but as Marcus says, the roof is translucent so it will not get too dark when it is extended.

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posted Apr 21, 2009

Yeah good point Duggie, but not usually up until 10? They might use these later hours to get through matches effected by rain on the other courts and so increase the overall time play is happening on CC.
Take nothing away from the roof though - about time!

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comment by Snape (U3018951)

posted Apr 21, 2009

Court 2 looks pretty cool as well, saw it last year unfinished so will be good to see that as well. If you look at the video on the BBC page when it pans out the new court 2 is at the bottom of the screen.

Yes it has floodlights and dew should not be an issue because of the climate control system.

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comment by Kaiser (U10796859)

posted Apr 21, 2009

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article6140846.ece

"What are your first impressions?

It does take your breath away. It hasnít taken anything away from the beauty of the court. It wonít detract from the magic. Itís a very, very impressive structure, very dramatic with the lights on."

This article suggest that the court has lights.

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posted Apr 21, 2009

Hmm I stand corrected. Thaks for the link Will. I found this one which is actually more of a photography article but the author does mention the presence of what he calls 'additional fill lighting' for 2009.

http://blogs.reuters.com/photo/2008/07/25/let-there-be-light/

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posted Apr 21, 2009

Stuart... for the final time... there are not any floodlights. There may be some additional lighting installed, but nothing of sufficient quality for tennis to be possible.

Yes, centre court has "air management system", but this is solely used to prevent dew that may occur when the court goes from outdoor to essentially indoors, not to allow play under lights.

If the roof does need to be closed, play will need to stop for 30 minutes.. this time will be used to shut the roof, and to let the air management system weave its magic, so that atmospheric conditions inside mirror whats going on outdoors as closely as possible.

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posted Apr 21, 2009

"so that atmospheric conditions inside mirror whats going on outdoors as closely as possible."
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they should hire the director of Truman Show.

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comment by Snape (U3018951)

posted Apr 21, 2009

Marcus I suggest you look at the main news page on the BBC website and video to go with it and look at the report which shows the lights. I have no interest in arguing as I was told the same thing, I would not have said it otherwise.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8010322.stm

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posted Apr 21, 2009

Hmmm... well they certainly look like floodlights capable of sustaining play!

Apologies, Stuart... I got my info from the Wimbledon site, the site of the roof's architect, and the construction company. Obviously the BBC know best!

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posted Apr 21, 2009

If play is going to continue until 10 o'clock then there would have to be some sort of additional lighting, as Stuart is pointing out. Whether or not they are called floodlights doesn't matter, they do seem to be aimed at facilitating late play in reduced light.

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comment by Snape (U3018951)

posted Apr 21, 2009

No problem Marcus, they make things small now I guess.

I would love to see a late night Wimbledon personally because it shows they are willing to change.

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posted Apr 21, 2009

Just had a look at that video again, and got to say, those lights look WAY too low.

You'd lose a Nadal moonball in those lights!

<laugh>

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posted Apr 21, 2009

Why would floodlights cause dew anyway? Presumably the only effect they would have would be to slightly raise the temperature of the air and grass, which would help to prevent dew?

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posted Apr 21, 2009

I really dont know if they are "floodlights" or not but they look vastly different to the great banks of lights you normally see for night time play.

They look more like supplemental lights to boost illumination rather than full on lighting to facilitate play in the actual dark.

But I'm only guessing - and they do look set very low.

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comment by Snape (U3018951)

posted Apr 21, 2009

I doubt they will get used at the moment anyway, alot of play is over by 8:30 but if rain affects play on other courts then this will change of course.

I am guessing on the test they will be asking the spectators to leave and come back in again as part of the test for the climate control.

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posted Apr 21, 2009

I dunno. I still think we won't see night matches... I think those lights might be used to see the matches through to dusk at the very latest, or to ensure there is still play on those dark and drizzly days when light is an issue.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the order of play says on day 1 of Wimbledon... if there is a match scheduled to start at 8 or 9pm, we'll have a definitive answer.

One final thing I will say on the matter though... If they are proper floodlights, I would have thought there would be lots more associated fanfare to go with them. I'd also have thought that this Henman/Agassi warm-up match would have been scheduled at night, to test the roof, the air management system AND the lights?

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posted Apr 21, 2009

Just seen the clip on the BBC site and I'm sorry but the roof looks awful. It looks like a badly fitted plastic blanket.

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comment by Snape (U3018951)

posted Apr 21, 2009

There is another video just been added with James Pearce interviwing Tim Phillips and it is made clear late night tennis is not going to happen. Oh Well.

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posted Apr 21, 2009

It is certainly going to be good to have the facility to avoid rain delays on Centre Court (no more grainy replays...) It won't help with scheduling much though - it's only one court.

I don't see how they could continue until 10pm though. Surely the dew would start forming on the court, even with the roof closed, which would make the court almost unplayable?

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posted Apr 21, 2009

comment by Brundle Fly (U1720058)

posted 46 Minutes Ago

Just seen the clip on the BBC site and I'm sorry but the roof looks awful. It looks like a badly fitted plastic blanket.



Somebody's missed the point, methinks.

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posted Apr 21, 2009

I have to say the roof does look very sexy, especially from the inside.

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posted Apr 21, 2009

But it doesn't matter what it looks like, as long as it's not a total eyesore and it works as it's supposed to. It's not there for decoration, it's there to aid the event.

It's hilarious hearing them say "matches could be played as late as 10pm, or even later!" when play at the Australian Open has been known to go as late as 5am without issue.

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posted Apr 21, 2009

It's hilarious hearing them say "matches could be played as late as 10pm, or even later!" when play at the Australian Open has been known to go as late as 5am without issue.
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Well we are British , Old Boy - not like these colonial chappies.

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posted Apr 21, 2009

Who needs floodlights? Give the players, line judges and spectators night vision goggles and get on with it

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posted Apr 21, 2009

What's the betting it will be the hottest, driest Summer with no rain throughout July and the cover will not get used? Optimistic? Don't be a pessimist! :)

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posted Apr 21, 2009

"It's hilarious hearing them say "matches could be played as late as 10pm, or even later!" when play at the Australian Open has been known to go as late as 5am without issue."


I don't know about "without issue"...wasn't Djokovic moaning a lot about late finishes? :-D



"The tube could always run until 1 in the morning and no doubt one day they will look into that as America is always plus 5 hours behind us and I am sure they would love to see Centre Court when they are not at work."


The tube does almost run until 1 a.m. The last train from Southfields to Earl's Court is 00:56. That said, I'd rather be asleep than sitting on a train at that time of day!

As for the Americans, well, I'd rather they scheduled their tournaments while I have something to keep me awake at work here in the UK, rather than have it on through our night when I want to be asleep! ;-)

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posted Apr 21, 2009

The Australian Open is different as it is a day/night tournament ie two separate sessions to increase ticket revenue.
This suits the heat of Australia but Wimbledon has always been a day tournament as stated.
The point of the roof and lights is to allow play to continue when rain falls and allow matches that are close to conclusion to continue and complete if light is fading.
To be honest if the Federer / Nadal final had gone one or two more games last year it would have probably have to have been stopped as light was fading. How frustrating would that have been?
Noone in their right mind wants to be sitting watching tennis at 3am do they? The players in Australia only allow it i guess because its preferable to playing in daylight with 50 degree C temperatures.

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comment by Snape (U3018951)

posted Apr 21, 2009

The Australian Open is different yes but although I have never been the atmosphere looks great on the night sessions, I feel Wimbledon is a bit too reserved for that I guess.
I hope the atmosphere on Centre Court will change now as well, it's like a library at times.

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posted Apr 21, 2009

What?!?! The shreiks of "c'mon Tim!" Never inspired you?! I also remember some bloke shouting out to Steffi Graf, asking her to marry him. How raucous indeedy!!! <laugh>

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posted Apr 21, 2009

Still think it's massively unfair on the lesser players. The top few players will get through their matches while the plebs hang around in the rain.

One rule for all I think. Build a huge roof over SW19 and be done with it.

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posted Apr 21, 2009

The atmosphere at Wimbledon is down to the ticket allocation. The Ivanesivic / Rafter final a few years ago which was delayed til the Monday and tickets sold on the door to genuine fans rather than corporates & prawn sandwich eaters.
If they do go for night sessions eventually then maybe that sort of ticket selling could be tried.

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posted Apr 21, 2009

I'm sure Federer will get used to hanging around, waiting for the rain to stop. <laugh>

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posted Apr 21, 2009

One of the things that makes Wimbledon different to both the USO and AO is location and proximity to residents. Both USO and AO are purpose built venues in grounds well away from residents, so noise and big floodlights is not a problem at night.

Wimbeldon is in the middle of one of the moree expensive parts of the Country to live. Hardly see the local council agreeing to late night matches.

That's the only reason I don't see it ever happening.

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comment by Snape (U3018951)

posted Apr 21, 2009

I understand Merton were actually quite helpful about the night play but the old boys at the all England club decided it was way past there bed time.
It would be nice to see night matches but I fear it will never happen.

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posted Apr 21, 2009

Favourite Centre Court Shout-out Moment.

To Conners (vs Borg!)...

FAN: Come on Jimmy!!

CONNNERS: (without missing a beat) I'm TRYING for christ sake!!

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posted Apr 21, 2009

Whilst it will prevent attacks of Cliff Richard what will it do to the bbc's coverage. Will the extended impromptu interviews with players or slebs cease to be and old clips never be needed again ?
What's bad for the fans who I accept come first is surely to the detriment of those tv time fillers brightening a slab overcast and wet wimbledon afternoon.
If I am robbed of a bonus hour of mcenroe chewing the fat I say 'may the roof seal open and never move again.'

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posted Apr 21, 2009

I meant 'what's good for the fans, of course. oops

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comment by SM (U1900149)

posted Apr 21, 2009

No late night unless very behind schedule. The roof doesn't look good, doesn't look bad, but it seems very low, a bit claustrophobic, any thoughts?

Also I think it is good as it is very irritating when a match is called off because of rain, but bear this in mind, the rain delays added to last year's epic final ;-)

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posted Apr 21, 2009

It's ghastly. I value tradition more.

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