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What does Denilson do

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posted Apr 20, 2009

He is a good passer ie.. he can pass under pressure and stuff.. and he is usually aware of what is going on around him...

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posted Apr 20, 2009

Exactly that it's not his position, he's being messed about. He's a poor DM but I think there's a good player in there.

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comment by Irsan (U3219512)

posted Apr 20, 2009

Imo Song is developing faster than Denilson i think denilson needs some time on the bench

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comment by renoog (U13513755)

posted Apr 20, 2009

I always thought he was just a central midfielder - not defensive, not attacking, just central. He's got good defensive ability but isn't strong enough to be a holding player. He's good creatively but not enough to be a playmaker. And he's good offensively but not enough to be an attacking midfielder.

He's a strange one.

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posted Apr 20, 2009

I must say, I was surprised to see him start on Saturday. Given our defensive absentees, I would have thought playing Song to give the defense a bit of cover would have been the better option.
Denilson was caught in possession too many times trying to pick passes out. I think he could be a possible transfer out in the summer if Wenger needs funds to buy the DM or CB he needs

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posted Apr 20, 2009

I have nothing againt denilson,, he has great ball control and short passing skills, but he is young , undersized, and playing in the wrong position. He has potential and I hope we keep him , but i would not play him in important matches, until we have a lead in the game. simply put, he is not ready yet, but he is becoming a better player, but should this come at the expense of attainable trophies we could have gotten. i would go far as to say a decent journeyman from any of the premier teams could have filled his role better. This is wenger's fault, ego at hand,. Would you want to lose the battle @ midfiled to a 19year old ,slender brazilian, if you grew up knowing what it means in your blood to battle weekk in and out in the premier league.. stoke and hull beat us thru will, grit, determination..call it what you want, but we should not lose those types of games

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posted Apr 20, 2009

A gooner who knows his football!ok

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posted Apr 20, 2009

He is sh8. I despise him more than Nik( at least he shows potential). I'd rather have Song, he's quality.

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posted Apr 20, 2009

Denilson only lost one possession, when he was tackled from behind by Lampard. We are fourth in the league, having lost many players through injuries. He played more games than any other Arsenal players this year, at the age of 21 (younger than Song). He could do nothing against the two long balls that led to the two Chelsea goals. Wenger even said on saturday that not even Song could have done anything about that, since the balls flew over the midfield.

I don't see anybody blaming Cesc for being cut in possession many times yesterday. Denilson seems to be some fas favorite scapegoat. And it is the same people too!

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posted Apr 20, 2009

He is sh8. I despise him more than Nik( at least he shows potential).
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How about switching your allegeance to Spurs? At least you won't have to worry about the top side of the table or CL football!

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comment by jay (U11280661)

posted Apr 20, 2009

Nobody understands why Denilson starts every PL match.

Wenger is turned the squad into an academy full of averages who in 5 years time are in his mind with the "potential to come and win it next year".

Absolute joke. I really hope when we lose to Man U it is a respectable score. Not like the 4 nil when we had Ade, RVP, Theo and Gallas in the team.

Rooney, Tevez, Berbatov and Ronaldo will run riot on a makeshift defense and wide open midfield built from leftovers and peanut wages.

The man needs to sort it out...he is paid to do that and not to deliver savings in wages and loyalty to a bunch of players who after good practice may leave us for better wages.

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posted Apr 20, 2009

I've always asked my mates as well about Denilson's position.He seems to always get lost in his sideway passes and loses possesion too many times.To be honest i dont really see him as a midfielder,maybe he should audition to become our mascot,Gunnersaurus.

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posted Apr 20, 2009

Denilson vs Flamini (statistically)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A49161891

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posted Apr 20, 2009

I've always asked my mates as well about Denilson's position.He seems to always get lost in his sideway passes and loses possesion too many times.
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Those sideway passes assisted seven of Arsenal goals this season! Not bad for a future mascot!

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posted Apr 20, 2009

what assist are you on about Gunnerseed. He does nothing. i will boooooooooooooo him when i see him . Fact

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comment by jay (U11280661)

posted Apr 20, 2009

This statistics is what Wenger looks. I am sure he is got databases to tell how many passes every player made in every year.

But if you notice 80% (i guess) of our passes are to the back and sideways. Because that how this team has been modelled, i.e pass and pass and pass (wait for the defense to return and defend) until we lose it.

There is no sense of urgency.

However if you pick a player with 50% of this passes playing for Man U. You would find that almost all of it is probably when Man U are going forward.

That is the difference. The numbers may be misleading.

But it is what Wenger (only him)reads, talks about in his interviews.

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posted Apr 20, 2009

I don't understand it. Maybe he will pick it up but at the moment he is my least fave player in our team.

Wenger said at the start of the season that if Denilson Fabregas and Nasri stay at Arsenal until they are 24, we will dominate Europe.
But what influence will Denilson have?

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posted Apr 20, 2009

GoonerSed.

"Denilson only lost one possession, when he was tackled from behind by Lampard."

or how about 4 times Denilson played his team mates into trouble. One pointed example of that was a pass to Diaby from the right back position instead of clearing the ball. Diaby had two markers and tried to dribble out only to be robbed to create a chance for Anelka against the post. You can blame Diaby. A manager will tell you that because Diaby had two markers (Anelka and Drogba) he had no chance. Denilson actually had 5 yards to clear the ball.

Thats just a example of his general play. Chelsea targeted Denilson and we could not get out of our own half.

And why does Denilson get criticised? Because he is not that good. Just like Eboue, just like Bendtner.

Now Eboue is a backup. He accepts that role and so you also have to accept a backups level of play and defending. And he still adds a lot going forward.

Denilson bottles up our playing schemes. His passing is slow and sideways. I am sorry but that is exactly what happened earlier in the season when Cesc was getting a lot of the blame for the loss of fluidity in the midfield. And whats more Denilson defends almost on top of the back 4 without understanding where the danger is coming from.

Teams know that and players run of him or put an attacker on him so that he cannot produce an out ball. He just doesn't have the passing range needed in that position when the opposition is pushing up onto our defenders. Roma, Vilarreal, Newcastle and Wigan all games where opposing teams have started targeting Denilson. Look at the difference after Denilson was subbed against Wigan!

So where do you play him when every one is fit? Of course Denilson has time to develop. But I would rather not be sacrificing cups. I don't think we should be a training academy.

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posted Apr 20, 2009

he may be a tad useless, but denilson along with almunia have been our most consistent players this season! denilson is nice and tidy. hes a mixture of a bad fabregas, and a bad flamini without the energy. he does try though. good player, but will never be world class. nice easy passer of the ball. i always liken him to lucas from lpool, n we all know what the lpool fans think of him!

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posted Apr 20, 2009

Superbly summed up Mr Cesc.

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posted Apr 20, 2009

good points genius99

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comment by Sagz (U2237471)

posted Apr 20, 2009

Iím like Denilson regardless of the performance against Chelsea. He covers a lot of ground, makes many interceptions and is normally very comfortable on the ball. I think this sort of energy is needed against teams that have plenty of pace in midfield and have great movement. Against this sort of opposition Songís natural fitness lets him down causing him to play sloppy, meaning he loses the ball too many times and gives away needless fouls.

The problem with Denilson is that he is too weak on the ball which means a physical central midfield will annihilate Denilson (Chelsea game!). Wenger was completely wrong in selecting Denilson on Saturday because he wanted our central midfields to match Chelsea man-for-man, with Cesc and Denilson being lightweights it was suicidal to play Denilson. Song is obviously the player you want to pick of you want to match your opponents in midfield, physically.

Maybe we should have gone with the tried and tested method, Denilson, Song and Fabregas. It had been working well in recent games. I think the inclusion of Diaby in midfield creates uncertainty as he is a player who also likes to push forward, leaving Denilson to try and outmuscle the opposition. At least with Song you know you have someone who will stay back.

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comment by Sagz (U2237471)

posted Apr 21, 2009

***I like Denilson regardless of the performance against Chelsea***

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