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Breaking News: De La Hoya Retires

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posted Apr 14, 2009

Fell short against the best. Won titles against paper champions. Lost them to real warriors.

Is still a legend

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comment by JobyJak (U5992775)

posted Apr 14, 2009

A great as in David Beckham is a great of football.

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posted Apr 14, 2009

My favourite boxer ever. Very stylish and never afraid to take on the best.

He wanted to beat the best, not protect his record.

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comment by snakes (U13375345)

posted Apr 14, 2009

great great personality that boxing will miss. hats off to De la Hoya.

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comment by Money (U8368300)

posted Apr 14, 2009

I thought he quit months ago when he refused to get out of his corner. This closes the book on an overhyped career. He fought the best, and lost to everyone of them.

De La Hoya is the most overrated fighter of the modern era. He has no wins over any of the top boxers in this decade and his career will end because he got whipped by a guy who looked half his size.
oscar had some good fights, but his biggest mistake was being a part time fighter and running from tito as far as the ring goes.

You must not watching boxing at all the best fighter he EVER FOUGHT he lost to in his PRIME! He lost to Trinidad, Shane Mosely (twice), Floyd Jr., Hopkins, and now Pacman! Dude, what fights were you watching, him fight an over the hill Chavez, or maybe the no defense Vargas!

Are you kiddng me?? He will go into the Hall of Fame off of popularity alone, not because he is one of the all-time greats.

Taking that picture in women's underwear with the hooker knock you down a few pegs! LOL

De La Hoya was boxings biggest marketing scam and nothing more. The only people sad to see him retire are his bandwagon female fans who knew nothing about boxing.

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comment by Money (U8368300)

posted Apr 14, 2009

De La Hoya fans listed these guys as the "big names" he beat:

Rafael Ruelas
Genaro Hernandez
Jesse James Leija
JCC (x 2)
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Pernell Whitaker
Wilfredo Rivera
Ike Quartey

None of those fighters are big time opponents who held belts for long periods of time. Anybody who saw De La Hoya fight Whitaker, knows that Whitaker won that fight because De La Hoya couldn't touch him all night.
Oscar was one of the culprits that messed up boxing. With his "no, I won't fight him even if he's the #1 contender and would beat me up....I'll fight him instead because I would whoop him and make more money" It was that mentality that paved the road for other miscreants to pick and choose which fight to fight rather than fight the best and/or #1 contenders.

Good riddance
My entire point about the career of De La Hoya is the fact that his fans give him credit for LOSING FIGHTS.

De La Hoya is not a winner or great fighter....he is above average and that is it. He has no wins over the big name fighters he fought and that is all you need to know about him.

De La Hoya fans seem to forget his record in bouts with big names:

lost to Mayweather
lost to Mosley twice
lost to Trinidad
lost to Pacquio
lost to Bernard Hopkins on a body blow
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And he should have lost to Sturm. He got a gift there.

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posted Apr 14, 2009

He'll go down as a modern great, and I always liked him as he was a stylish, entertaining fighter. Truth be told he came up short against the best - Mosley & Hopkins, and despite the split decision I thought Mayweather outclassed him and we all know what happened with Manny but by then Oscar was a part timer. He's doing the right thing by quitting now, not like he's short of a few quid.

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posted Apr 14, 2009

you know someones good when he's known to people who don't follow boxing. A true great in my opinion.

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comment by T_J (U7725783)

posted Apr 14, 2009

77pence (U8368300)
I bet he's going to be wiping his tears with $100 notes and crying on the shoulder of his model wife after what you said!
Great fighter who has beat some dangerous operators! Captured a nations heart.

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posted Apr 14, 2009

Whatever people want to say about Oscar, he was a true great. If it weren't for him, boxing could well have fallen back behind UFC and MMA in the last ten years; instead, Oscar dragged in audiences from all over the world and from all different perspectives.
Criticism of his record is perhaps a bit unjust; after all, against Trinidad he was ahead after 9 superb rounds, before backing off for the last 3 with the fight 'apparently' in the bag. Mosley admitted to taking performance enhancing drugs after the second fight against Oscar as well; that finished 115-113 on all the judges scorecardds, however we will never know what would have been without the steroids.
Finally, Pernell Whitaker definitely was a great fighter - criticism of him as not being a world class standard of opponent is ridiculous. He was the top pound-for-pound fighter of the time and beat Chavez (no matter what the judges said).
Oscar De La Hoya - a true modern legend.

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comment by mkp187 (U5034747)

posted Apr 14, 2009

77 pence.. "None of those fighters are big time opponents who held belts for long periods of time"

Julio Cesar Chavez, Pernell Whitaker, Hecter Camacho were not big time fighters?! You must be a new boxing fan, watch some of their fights and come back and comment.

Sure enough Oscar came second in some major fights. Can't complain about Hopkins, Pacquiao but the Trinidad decision was a travesty, the first Mosley fight was pretty close and as for Mayweather.. well there's no shame in a split decision loss against PBF.

De La Hoys's a credit to the sport, world titles at 6 weights... i doubt there's a boxer in the sport who wouldn't take half of his success. His promotional work cannot be ignored either. I think he's made the right decision to walk away now with his health intact on the downside of his career.

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comment by yomi (U13913541)

posted Apr 14, 2009

Oscar was a great boxer, who had a great career that featured victories over quite a few truly great boxers (but, unfortunately for Oscar, these victories over great boxers came at a time when his opponents where just going over the hill). He was exciting to watch, and he took on some of the best of his own generation. He'll be missed, but at the same time I don't think anyone wants to see him risk coming back. He's announced his retirement and that's a good decision (perhaps a better decision than the one given at the end of DLH v Mosely I).

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comment by yomi (U13913541)

posted Apr 14, 2009

"None of those fighters are big time opponents who held belts for long periods of time"

77pence: are you really referring to JCC and Pernell Whitaker with that comment? JCC held a world title for 10 years...

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comment by U13209083

posted Apr 14, 2009

Calzaghe is a big time bum. A European paper champion who made 20 easssy defenses and then beat up an old Roy Jones - laugh just read Calzaghe's book - he's a joke and a complete coward. Oscar is a LEGEND. 6 WEIGHTS. 10 TIMES. 20 CHAMPIONS. FORMER P4P NO.1 - $$$

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posted Apr 14, 2009

Top class boxer , top class person just would of loved him fighting the hitman hatton another great person and boxer and me myself would knock both out,i wish.

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posted Apr 14, 2009

^^^^^

And Julius is still going. Let it go for god sake!

And Oscar will be missed, a true legend but finishing at the right time.

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posted Apr 14, 2009

For those criticizing De La Hoya about his defeats, most people believe he beat Trinidad, just he ran from Tito in the last 3 rounds and the judges didn't like that but the other 9 rounds he outclassed Tito. Also many people believe he won the second Mosley fight and was robbed on that occasion. Seems there's a lot of jealous people around.

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posted Apr 14, 2009

When its all done and dusted... oscar should always be remembered as a great fighter, who always gave of his best, win or los this guy put his heart on the line time after time and as such should be recognised as a true warrior!

May he enjoy his future outside the ring!



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posted Apr 15, 2009

For me, De La Hoya is a great of our time, but short of an all time great.

Stamina let him down in a number of big fights and his record against his peers stands against him. As has been said, some of those decisions were contentious (though he got a few of those himself (whittaker, quartey, Sturm).

Personally i feel he lost some mobility by the time he got to welter, and his better work was when younger at the lighter weight.

Whichever, his legacy for me, was that he brought us some great fights, at a time when most were happy to sit on their alphabet belts, and despite the jibes about him being a marketing creation, he at least used that hype to fight the best out there rather than the bum of the month... he won some and lost some but at least he fought them.

I think his love of boxing is genuine, he's right to retire, but he'll be missed.

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posted Apr 15, 2009

comment by JobyJak (U5992775)

A great as in David Beckham is a great of football.;

Perfect. A true ambassador for the sport, a wondeful character and one of the best of his generation. But a boxing great, not a chance. To be classed as such you generally have to win at least a couple of your big fights.

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posted Apr 15, 2009

An exciting boxer in his prime, the only criticism i had for him is that i wished he took the initiative more in his big fights, instead of taking the more cautious route. Ike Quartey, Felix Trinidad and Floyd Mayweather springs to mind.

My favourite fight of his was his first battle with Shane Mosley. And it is a shame that he bowed out after his poor showing against the PacMan, but i guess after that performance, he knew his body couldn't do it anymore.

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posted Apr 15, 2009

A true Legend of the Ring. He should have retired after the PBF fight imo, but none the less he never shirked a challenge and fought the very best at numerous weights. To fight Manny and Bernard Hopkins shows just how flexible Oscar was.
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comment by U13209083

posted Apr 15, 2009

The fools who criticize De La Hoya for losing some of his fights or getting close decisions in some of his big fights are the same people who fantasize over Calzaghe's undefeated 'bum of the month' 0. Didn't Calzaghe get controversial decisions over an old Hopkins and an unknown Robbie Reid? De La Hoya lost a SD to Mayweather, a 113-115 decision to Mosley at a time Mosley was on performance enhancing drugs, a SD to Mosley in their first fight, and a MD to Felix Trinidad. The only guy to have beat up Oscar is Bernard Hopkins and that was at 160 - Oscar's 6th weight division - and even there we had Oscar in a close fight before being caught.

Boxing shouldn't be about undefeated records and keeping your 0 - this is why the UFC & MMA are so popular - because the best are consistently facing each other.

With De La Hoya, we have someone who chased the best and a lot his fights could've went either way against elite opposition.

A prime Trinidad who was pond for pound the number one, a prime Mayweather who was also pound for pound number one, Hector Camacho, Vargas, two fights with Mosley, a prime Ike Quartey, Pernell Whitaker ...

Oscar De La Hoya is an all time great & a true legend.

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posted Apr 15, 2009

comment by herewegoagain (U13844677)
posted 24 Minutes Ago

comment by JobyJak (U5992775)

A great as in David Beckham is a great of football.;

Perfect. A true ambassador for the sport, a wondeful character and one of the best of his generation.



You forgot to add, "able to perform at a consistently high level despite being criticised and abused by my those who wished they had a quarter of his ability".

Time for Oscar to sail into the sunset. I doubt he'll be 100% happy with his career but he can be proud of some of the things he's achieved.

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posted Apr 15, 2009

ABSOLUTE LEGEND

he didnt stay in his comfort zone he took on the best even if he wasnt successful. he was a class act who deserves his hall of fame status.

i loved his ko of fernando vargas i think vargas' still recovering..

ONCE GOLDEN ALWAYS THE GOLDEN BOY

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posted Apr 15, 2009

absolute class, really brave guy

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posted Apr 15, 2009

Wouldnt say he was a all time great - but a modern era superstar, brave and at his best was one of the best pound for pound boxers in the last 15 years. His fight v Maragoya and Vargas was a lesson in controlling your hostility and focusing it to totally demolish your opponent. Even though Pacciquo gave him a beating last time out - it shouldnt take away that de la hoya is a warrior and was never afraid to go out and mix it.

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posted Apr 15, 2009

Great fighter

Sad news he is retiring because I didnt want him to go out the way he did. I think he should have redeemed himself to leave us with a legacy going out on a win

Still great career . Many fighters have lost to lesser men towards the end of their career and it meant nothing. All the best to him . He transcended the sport and its another sad loss for boxing after recent retiremenst of other greats like Floyd and Calzaghe

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posted Apr 15, 2009

Oscar De La Hoya was a true showman and was one of the greatest boxers of his generation its a shame its all over now but we can all look back on his career as a marvelous achievment.

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posted Apr 15, 2009

What A Ledgend

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comment by WalshK (U9618207)

posted Apr 15, 2009

I've been one of Oscars critics in the past, mainly for the fights that he failed to grab by the scruff of the neck but as a 6 weight world champion and the calibre of his opponents. He is surely a HOF, but he's not done it, he may even go on to be remembered more favourly for what he does for the fight game OUTSIDE of the ring.

Enjoy your wealth, and more importantly your health Oscar.

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posted Apr 15, 2009

http://www.ringtv.com/blog/558/de_la_hoya_didnt_live_up_to_hype__but_came_close/

An interesting appraisal of De La Hoya on the Ring site. Though owned by Golden Boy, it's not rose tinted in it's view.

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posted Apr 15, 2009

A great of his generation - last 10 years or so(not of all time) -like Barrera, Mayweather, Lewis, Calzaghe, Hopkins, RJJ & Trinidad & others can take their pick too.
He fought them all and unlike some of his peers was in a position to do so due to the financial draw that came with his name.
Glad to see him retire and hope RJJ does the same very soon. Well done Oscar.

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posted Apr 15, 2009

Good to see somebody come out from the sport with another means of making money , golden boy promotions should help him never return for money reasons .
A modern icon , and a fighter who kept boxing in the public eye , I feel the sport will decline with no true great fighters around any more

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comment by abraxis (U4691069)

posted Apr 15, 2009

Not unexpected, I think he could still have performed well at light middle, but he cant win against the best anymore. He won some great fights and his losses to Trinidad and Mosley (the second time)were debatable and questionable given Mosley's use of steroids (unknowingly or not)and the very real possibility that Trinidad used to use the margarito hand wrapping technique! There was no disgrace in losing to the far bigger Hopkins and everyone bar the Pacman fanatics, knows that the severely weight drained and past it Oscar in that fight was a ghost of the fighter that he was even in his previous fight.
I wish him well in his retirement!

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posted Apr 15, 2009

What can I say?
It,s a sad day for boxing but the correct descition. He was on the slippery slope when he fought PBF, and was a shadow of the once great warrior when he fought Pacman.
This guy fought all the greats of his era.(unlike some frauds iv'e mentioned on 606 before?But I won't go there now)
Oscar!!
Your a true legend.

cry

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posted Apr 15, 2009

77pence, you wrote:

> With his "no, I won't fight him even if he's the #1 contender and would beat me up....I'll fight him instead because I would whoop him and make more money" It was that mentality that paved the road for other miscreants to pick and choose which fight to fight rather than fight the best and/or #1 contenders. <

then wrote:

> De La Hoya fans seem to forget his record in bouts with big names:
lost to Mayweather
lost to Mosley twice
lost to Trinidad
lost to Pacquio
lost to Bernard Hopkins on a body blow <

within the same post. So, where is the logic in that? If he had a mentality of avoiding the big boys and picking on the wimps, then how did he manage to share the ring with those "big names" (as you have correctly called them) on your list?

Talking of big names, or great boxers to be more precise, there are several people on this forum who do not seem to know anything about boxing other than boxing of the last 5 years. Why don't you guys go through the list of fighters ODH fought in his amazing career (and won against), and do a little homework on them in order to find out who they were? Kids. Don't expose your ignorance. Do your homework first.

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comment by ted (U6576923)

posted Apr 15, 2009

i didnt really warm to dhl but he was a good fighter.the word legend is branded about to much in boxing and i rarely use it and wont in dhls career.
he suffered an indignity like so many good fighters in the sport of boxing by being made to look old in the ring.
his last few fights were cleverly picked for one reason only MONEY!.the promotor in dhl had taken over.
no need to wish dhl luck he is a super rich guy who will become boxings biggest promoter.boxing is a life long career for him.

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