posted Apr 7, 2009

ICPS: highly likely they want to see how many points MM accrue between now and then so they can strip them off later.

Cynical i know, but hey, im having an awfull week and am in a seriously bad mood.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

Easter holidays to blame..

So what happens (probably unlikely) if Mclaren were to pick up a load of points in the next 2 Grand Prix but then be kicked out of the Championship..

Presume we'd see yet more after race result changes!

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posted Apr 7, 2009

king: they will probably lose their WCC pts given that it seems that they are planning on leaving lewis alone. it wouldnt be after race result changes, it will be several weeks after the race result changes. adds a whole new dimension to our beloved sport doesnt it?

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posted Apr 7, 2009

I said it was`nt over.....It gives all those concerned time to get there evidence submissions etc together...Don`t forget this will involve there legal teams and they will need some preparation time. Quite quick in legal times!

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posted Apr 7, 2009

Presumably, it's the constructors' points that may change and not Hamilton's. Hamilton is only being called in as a witness. But I may be wrong.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

I've got a horrible feeling after reading that article that Mclaren may get kicked out of F1 for the rest of the season.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

All this over a minor on track misunderstanding, no wonder people think the FIA have a grudge against McLaren.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

And what would you like them to do? Ignore it?

' on 2 April, 2009, at a second hearing before the stewards of the Australian Grand Prix, (meeting in Malaysia) made no attempt to correct the untrue statement of 29 March but, on the contrary, continued to maintain that the statement was true, despite being allowed to listen to a recording of the team instructing Hamilton to let Trulli past and despite being given more than one opportunity to correct its false statement'

It's beyond belief, really is.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

I've got a horrible feeling after reading that article that Mclaren may get kicked out of F1 for the rest of the season.
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I don't think they will do that, as that will basically be the same thing as kicking out Hamilton, and more significantly (as he had nothing to do with the affair) Kovi.

I do think that banning Mclaren from the constructors' championship (as per the spygate affair) is very much on the cards though.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

autounion (U1666237)
Were you talking to me or dreaduk mate?

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posted Apr 7, 2009

For those who think its a grudge against Mclaren or Lewis :

Seems pretty straight forward to me


The FIA claims that McLaren may have broken the regulations on five counts, that:

* on 29 March, 2009, told the stewards of the Australian Grand Prix that no instructions were given to Hamilton in Car No. 1 to allow Trulli in Car no. 9 to pass when both cars were behind the safety car, knowing this statement to be untrue;

* procured its driver Hamilton the current World Champion, to support and confirm this untrue statement to the stewards;

* although knowing that as a direct result of its untrue statement to the stewards, another driver and a rival team had been unfairly penalised, made no attempt to rectify the situation either by contacting the FIA or otherwise;

* on 2 April, 2009, at a second hearing before the stewards of the Australian Grand Prix, (meeting in Malaysia) made no attempt to correct the untrue statement of 29 March but, on the contrary, continued to maintain that the statement was true, despite being allowed to listen to a recording of the team instructing Hamilton to let Trulli past and despite being given more than one opportunity to correct its false statement;

* on 2 April, 2009, at the second stewards' hearing, procured its driver Hamilton to continue to assert the truth of the false statement given to the stewards on 29 March, while knowing that what he was saying to the stewards was not true.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

grezzju (U13892692)

Didn't the FIA come out and say that if Mclaren brought F1 into disrupte again after the spygate scandal that Mclaren would get kicked out of F1 for a season?

Just asking but i'm a very neverous Mclaren fan.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

Dreaduk....
It`s not what happened on track...its what was said (or not said) after the race to the stewards on two separate occasions. Thats the point!

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posted Apr 7, 2009

Were you talking to me or dreaduk mate>>

Neither hammy, it was a direct reply to the article. Sorry for any confusion.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

grezzju..

I seem to recall something like that ... and to add extra spice there is a Daimler shareholder meeting this Wednesday, apparently Daimler are losing approx $1b a month, so they are looking for cost savings.

I'm not sure how well this will go down with the shareholders

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posted Apr 7, 2009

Why, when McLaren were well aware of the recordings, would they continue to deny it?

Why, after the first meeting, would LH speak to the Media almost immediately and say that an instruction had been given?

There is more to this than the FIA are reporting, this is all 'lawyer speak' and although I haven't looked over the last couple of days, I don't believe any transcripts of the meetings have been released.

I do, however, stand to be corrected on the transcripts release.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

"I realise it takes time to organise these things - but this long?"

Where have we seen the delay tactic used before I wonder?

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posted Apr 7, 2009

comment by Jimbatron (U6788701)

posted 1 Minute Ago

"I realise it takes time to organise these things - but this long?"

Where have we seen the delay tactic used before I wonder?
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Dungeon gate?

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posted Apr 7, 2009

Icarus (U9112381)

Careful! I was trying to keep it under the radar - the mods will be having flashbacks to a year ago. Glad to see someone is on the same wavelenght though

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posted Apr 7, 2009

Has anyone got the link the FIA website which states this is happening?

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posted Apr 7, 2009

Has anyone got the link the FIA website which states this is happening?>>

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wmsc/2009/Pages/wmsc_ex.aspx

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posted Apr 7, 2009

News: Dave Ryan out.

"This afternoon McLaren and its former sporting director, Dave Ryan, have formally parted company. As a result, he is no longer an employee of any of the constituent companies of the McLaren Group."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74348

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posted Apr 7, 2009

hammydigrassi: "I've got a horrible feeling after reading that article that Mclaren may get kicked out of F1 for the rest of the season. "

I've got a horrible feeling after reading that article the FIA are deliberately priming the media for a massive punishment of McLaren.

Dave Ryan appears to be at the heart of this, and I feel sorry for McLaren, but the FIA as ever are going way over the top.

If only I could believe that if it was any other team they would have reacted in the same way...

At least then they could be seen as consistent.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

comment by autounion (U1666237)
posted 2 Minutes Ago

"News: Dave Ryan out."

This, regardless of you perspective, is very sad.

Perhaps McLaren have hung him out to dry, or he's offered himself up as a martyr to save his colleagues from the brunt of the FIA's wrath. Whatever the truth, I don't believe this incident warrants the end of a long and dintinguished career.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

Bet this wouldn't happen to any other team in the public eye. The FIA should keep this under wraps.

Oh yeah and why do the pictures have to show Hammy like that?

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posted Apr 7, 2009

on 2 April, 2009, at a second hearing before the stewards of the Australian Grand Prix, (meeting in Malaysia) made no attempt to correct the untrue statement of 29 March but, on the contrary, continued to maintain that the statement was true, despite being allowed to listen to a recording of the team instructing Hamilton to let Trulli past and despite being given more than one opportunity to correct its false statement;

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Anyone not find the above statement funny. So apparently MM continued to maintain their stance despite listening to their own radio transmission? Weird. MM were clearly giving Lewis mixed messages over the radio. At one point let Trulli pass only to retract and say hold position. They were never assertive throughout the whole episode. It's not as black and white as the FIA are claiming. There is obviously more to this that then we are being led to believe.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

This, regardless of you perspective, is very sad.>>

No, you'd be mistaken, my default sympathy is for Dave here, as it was for Nigel until he started contradicting himself. I completely agree, his career deserves far better.

A lot does not add up, as such I find it difficult to see his sacking as a satisfactory resolution of whatever happened.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

So Dave Ryan wont be appearing at the FIA hearing then? So we wont get to know the truth?

Its also interesting that the FIA accuse Mclaren of bringing "the sport into disrepute after ***** to race stewards ... at a second hearing in Malaysia last week. "

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posted Apr 7, 2009

"Vodafone McLaren Mercedes has been invited to appear before an extraordinary meeting of the FIA World Motor Sport Council"

Invited... does that mean they don't have to go?

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wmsc/2009/Pages/wmsc_ex.aspx

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posted Apr 7, 2009

comment by Mono_oxide (U13758457)

posted 1 Minute Ago

"Vodafone McLaren Mercedes has been invited to appear before an extraordinary meeting of the FIA World Motor Sport Council"

Invited... does that mean they don't have to go?
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posted Apr 7, 2009

"It's not as black and white as the FIA are claiming."

Yes it is. It couldnt be clearer.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

Why the need for stewards to speak to Mclaren at all.Didn't the T.V. footage clear up any discrepancy.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

Justice for Dave!

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posted Apr 7, 2009

Autounion - I don't want them to ignore it all. It is becoming increasingly apparent that McLaren (or at least individuals within the team) have once again been very foolish indeed. Which is why I'm asking surely there's some way they can get this sorted out a whole lot quicker than they are?

Either they're going to come down on McLaren with everything they've got, or just give them a quick slap on the wrists. Which do you think is more likely? Looks like we've got three weeks to speculate about which way it will go though...

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posted Apr 7, 2009

My apologies icps. It's better than having a rushed meeting though, all sides need to be organised, to whatever extent, we'd both want the same if it was Ferrari.

They'll slap wrists I think (one never knows): citing LH apology, Whitmarsh apology and (offered up by McLaren) Ryan's sacking.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

Hopefully this will all prove that Dave Ryan has been made a scapegoat for the team.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

Maybe there is a 'quicker' way but it is treated like a court of law. They have to provide Mclaren with ample 'legal' time to defend their position, no matter how indefensible it may seem.

If they decided to do it next week, people will be whining 'there not giving them sufficient time'

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posted Apr 7, 2009

No worries auto - it is of course best to make sure everyone gets all their facts in order, and I'm sure McLaren have a lot of other things on their minds before China and Bahrain too. But it would have been nice to have a resolution before Shanghai.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

Agreed, and the stewards must take some responsibility for not checking the facts in the first place.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

what would the possible repocussions be for lewis, regardless of any sanctions the team could face? lot of talk today about lewis' future in f1 being in doubt. a bit worried tbh, worried for lewis more than anything.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

I just think the whole situation is a farce that has gone out of control down to inept stewards.

why couldn't the stewards just look at the telemetry and voice data after the race?

I predict maybe $100m fine and chucked out of the Constructors championship.. or docked 100points. Maybe Lewis banned for a month too.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

---> LeeSharpUK

On what basis can you possibly say you hope Ryan has been made a scapegoat when you know no more about the facts of what went on in Mclaren than the rest of us (or indeed the FIA since otherwise they wouldn't need the investigation)?

Sounds like a big slice of bias to me.

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posted Apr 7, 2009

Sorry to see your post has been deleted Ed, while I've been writing a reply.

For now or until then, in reply let's say that's my feeling on it (I'll willingly elaborate later or try to!)

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