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Khan v Barrera - Coming Of Age

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posted Mar 11, 2009

Will be a 'Coming into Retirement Age' for Barrera. The guy is gone and i can understand why some people don't think he's gone as they're all in the hope that he can pull something out of the bag. I hope he can too but i'm a realist and know its not possible.

I read the 'Frankly Speaking' column today though and in it Frank mentioned that JMM is now the WBO & WBA lightweight champion but made no mention of Khan facing him when he beats Barrera

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posted Mar 11, 2009

I know what you mean. I'm hoping that Barrera isnt shot and puts up a fight, and if Khan wins then, fair play to him. But the involvement of Warren always leaves you with the feeling that all the fight is a big name at the right time, well calculated, with minimum risk, hope thats not the case

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posted Mar 11, 2009

"But the involvement of Warren always leaves you with the feeling that all the fight is a big name at the right time, well calculated, with minimum risk, hope thats not the case"
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With that in mind I think the title of the bill is to do with numbers 1 & 2 in the OP.

I too am hoping Barrera is still somewhat competitive and will not let Khan overwhelm him with his speedy hands.

If it goes the distance, I'd like to think Barrera will nick the fight. Its an interesting contest, but should Khan win, I dread to imagine the bragging rights he and Frank Warren think they have. That will drive many people crazy.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

I hope Barrera knocks Khan out in the 1st round,making him retire,never to be heard of again. I'm sick of people making Khan out to be better than he actually is,hopefully that'll end after this fight. Up to now IMO,all he's proved to be is just half decent boxer with a glass jaw......end of.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

I want Barrera to win

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posted Mar 11, 2009

"end of. "
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Have you not gone into school today?

I aint Khan's biggest fan, but it is clearly obvious the lad has some talent and is a challenge for anyone in the division. He has lightning handspeed and decent power. He does have his flaws too of course. But the reason he's got on everyones wick is because of the way he was thrust into the media limelight from his debut and hyped up by frank warren and the media.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

"I hope Barrera knocks Khan out in the 1st round,making him retire,never to be heard of again. I'm sick of people making Khan out to be better than he actually is,hopefully that'll end after this fight."
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But if Khan really is that bad he'll lose the fight like you say.

If you're wrong, and he does have some talent, then he might win.

What you seem to be saying is 'I hope he doesn't win cos he's not good enough to win.' - which doesn't make sense.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

loads of Khan haters here, hoping, praying for a barrera win.
I'm a big Barrera fan, but he is way past it now & will lose by decision,
the only difference: speed
khan will beat him cos of his hand speed nothing more

it will be close but khan will pull away later rounds on a UD

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posted Mar 11, 2009

loads of Khan haters here, hoping, praying for a barrera win.
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im neither a khan hater or fan, im just a fan of boxing and want to see exciting, competitive matches. The article isnt a Khan hating article, the aim was to gauge opinion on how competitive 606'ers think the fight will be

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posted Mar 11, 2009

People are properly underestimating Barrera here - big mistake, the guy has heart, experience, a Mexican chin, and he can box a bit too. His conditioning is the key and I think he has been working hard for this fight. Khan will not be able to approach this in a cavalier manner, he knows he will get caught if he leaves himself open, and we know how effective is chin is - zero. His caution will work into Barrera's favour. It will be interesting what tactics he'll employ.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

Barrera's best bet is to get inside and use a few "tricks" (not fight dirty per se) and knock Khan out of his rhythm. Khan isn't a good in-fighter and doesn't know how to cope when it gets rough. This all goes back to what we said before about how he should have been fighting a few old verterans like Buckley who know how to survive and make an opponent think and work hard. Warren wanted to make Khan a KO highlight reel and it's backfired on him.

Barrera can't afford to let Khan fight at range, he won't get past the jab. Now he may have to bully his way inside and risk getting a ticking off from the ref but it's a risk he's going to have to take.

I can also see Barrera hitting Khan low once or twice on the blindside. After that he could start throwing shots to the body to bring Khan's hands down (you get hit in the nuts once and anytime anyone goes within half a mile of them you'll lower your hands ...anyone who disagrees have never been hit in the nuts). If he can bring Khan's hands away from his chin he has a chance to connect but he's going to need to be inside to do it.

The problem could be Khan's natural size and possible strength advantage which he may or may not be able to use (again, lack of experience may come into play). If Khan has learned to fight on the inside, it's a Khan win, if not and Barrera can get inside, I think he has a very good chance of a win. I won't say it would be an upset, but I'm sure Khan is a favourite but I wouldn't bet against the odds shortening as the fight gets closer.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

Captain Arsenal, people aren't underestimating him, the majority of people (if not all) know how good Barrera was but this was many years ago and at lower weights. Barrera made his name in wars and these fights will have taken a toll on him and you will not see the Barrera of old much like you saw a shadow of Roy Jones Junior against Calzaghe

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posted Mar 11, 2009

Dave667,

Khan's gameplan will be to stay at range, and Roach must of worked hard on this. I am sure with some of the sparing at wild card Khan been working on his inside game, not to say he will win the inside fighting vs MAB but he is alot bigger than MAB and should use his size.

But i dont see this become a inside close fight, Khan's fast feet will keep him out of range, and he will use that fast jab and go in out of range using his reach adv.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

MAB has all the all the boxing knowledge and ring craft in the world, he will at some point force Khan on the inside and he is deffinately capable of getting in under his jab.

Not saying this will be enough to win but does make for an intresting fight.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

I dont think we will get to that stage in the fight, i think Khan will stop MAB midway in the fight 5th/6th round. We know Khan chin is not the best, but iam wondering our with MAB react from the power of a big fast lightweight like Khan's? At this late stage of MAB's career it might be a shock.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

I think ring generalship will come in to play here, and sadly I don't think Khan has enough of it.

Agree with Dave, if MAB takes note of the Gomez fight and ventures to the body and rough him up on the inside, then whatever gameplan Khan had would be thrown out the window.

It'll be an interesting and entertaining fight, and largely dependant on how MAB turns up. If he peforms anything like Mosely, Hopkins, JMM have done against the young gunners in recent months, expect a MAB victory.

But good luck Khan.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

I dont think we will get to that stage in the fight, i think Khan will stop MAB midway in the fight 5th/6th round
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I'd be amazed if that happened unless Barrera is more shot than anyone realised. If Barrera hasnt got the skills no longer to win the fight he certainly has the skills to survive i'e against Manny second time out. I think Barrera will shock people with his own speed in the first half of the fight and can counter Khan, I wouldnt be surprised if Barrera wins a decision, after an intense tatical battle.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

you will not see the Barrera of old much like you saw a shadow of Roy Jones Junior against Calzaghe

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The shadow of RJJ still dropped him in the first, If MAB does that to Khan he wont be getting up. His chin is poor and his recovery is worse. I cant see this going the distance as some are suggesting, if Khan cant finish him early on he is sure to take one on the chin at some point. From his track record we know he'll go over. Even a shot MAB has the pedigree to close the show at that stage.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

Having seen Barrera the other week on fight night in training he looked in great shape, and sounded hungry to win the fight. He wants another world title and a win here will propel him to that.

Dave, Khan is the slight favourite to win the fight, however the stoppage odds lie in favour of MAB, and points win in favour of Khan.

I really hope MAB is in good nick and will not allow Khan to overwhelm him! He is a great technician and if he has trained properly and he is hungry enough he could well win this fight and upset the odds.

I'll be having a little wager on this one.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

"Khan is the slight favourite to win the fight, however the stoppage odds lie in favour of MAB, and points win in favour of Khan."

In which case I'm tempted to have a flutter, because I'd put it the other way round. If it goes to points Barrera's ringcraft will be looked on favourably by the judges and he'll win all the close rounds, but Khan has the greater power...

(...but also a weak chin, so to be honest I don't see this going the distance at all. Perhaps I should just put a bet on this not going to the judges.)

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posted Mar 11, 2009

Barrera will simply outclass Khan. It is a big shock that he actually took the fight.

Barrera if he is not past it or throwing the fight, should disect and dispatch his glassed jawed opponent easily.

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comment by sbc1980 (U9746201)

posted Mar 11, 2009

if Khan beats Barrera it will be because Barrera is past it no other reason, he is typical of a warren fighter, warren just wants to draw crowds and make money iff his fighters, he doesnt care about there careers thats why he eases them throught until theres nowhere to hide, look at both Calzaghe and Hatton, both fighters realised they had to split from Warren to further there careers, Khan needs to leave warren and all the groupies behind to make the most of his talent.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

why is it that so many british boxers have recently fought boxers much older than themselves, so many articles that dismiss the fight even if the british boxer wins as their opponent is no longer in their prime

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posted Mar 11, 2009

For me, if Khan wins this fight he has not shown us anthing new.I feel that we already know what he can do against fighters that are physically inferior to him, despite Barrera being a different class, i just think that Khan's height and reach combined with handspeed and potentially a more defensive approach will have too much for Barrera.What would put to bed all our doubts would be a victory over someone with similar physical attributes. His resume will still be showing that he has lost to the only genuine LW he has faced

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comment by jonny (U10687936)

posted Mar 11, 2009

"I hope Barrera knocks Khan out in the 1st round,making him retire,never to be heard of again."

That's a really nice thing to wish on somebody - the end of their life's dreams at 22. What a lovely comment to make.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

Barrera will do a B-Hop & Mosley and show tih age comes wisdom an skill i cannot believe people keep saying Barrera is shot or is past it this guy has had some tear ups and may if not definitly be at the end of his career but what people are forgetting is the class of opponent Barrera has fought against he has fought the following 5 fighters in the last so many years.

1- Pacman "Best Pound 4 Pound"
2- Juan Manuel Marquez "Best Lightweight IMO"
3- Rocky Juarez "Arguably Beat Chris John"
4- Erik Morales "Mexican Legend"
5- Robbie Peden "His Best Days were a Feather"

Khan would not beat any of the those except IMO Peden when you consider the quality of MAB's fights to the likes of Amir's its dead obvious Khan will & shall lose Oishin Fagan is not a sign of things to come & when you cannot clean up the british scene by ducking Thaxton & Murray it says it all had he even shown bottle and thought Romanov who called him out he would have been exposed horribly.

In all MAB to win by Stoppage no later than the 8th round.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

I cant see Khan winning this fight but if he does then the doubters on here and the so called engish fans can shut up, we all know that Khan is not that well supported because of his background and the numerous so called Boxing fans who wanna turn up at fights dressed like puff daddys pyjamas and think they are long lost relatives of Reggie kray dont have an iota of boxing knowledge just want to see Amir not wearing a Union Jack on his back! Im going to get behind him and i think we all should because this is not a mickey mouse fight this is a solid test for YOUNG boxing with most of his career ahead of him! WHat we need to remember is that he has been thrown into the limelight coz of the Olympics but if we were all watching this newby take on barrera without any background knowledge we'd all be well impressed.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

At least he'd have plenty of chance to come up with some alternative dreams, being only 22.

Otherwise, nurtured and pimped by the scheming Warren, he might stumble on until he's 30 before discovering his dreams are never to be truly realised... which is probably worse in the long run.

I hardly think Warren cares much for Khan's dreams (unless Khan's dreams are just about the money)!

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comment by Spoony (U12294007)

posted Mar 11, 2009

"Amir is a big 135-pounder. It's 22-year-old kid against 35-year-old veteran. We're going to knock Barrera out."

I like Freddie Roach but this is a very cocky attitude to take into this fight. I think Khan needs to be kept as close to the ground & level headed as possible. Age in my opinion does not matter here as Barrera is in good nick. Hopkins & Mosley have shown recently age is not the biggest factor, so I don't see the difference here personally.

Be a great fight nonetheless & can't wait to watch!

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posted Mar 11, 2009

warren and roach have done their very best to set up a mismatch in my opinion with khan being younger, faster and considerably bigger than barrera. if khan wins he will be hailed by the media as a boxing hero but I dont think it will be credit where credit is due, even if he does beat marco he will still never get near a world title.

prediction - khan in 10... unfortunately

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comment by singhy (U3599294)

posted Mar 11, 2009

"I hope Barrera knocks Khan out in the 1st round,making him retire,never to be heard of again."

Well done for supporting a young British boxer, someone who fought hard for our country in the Olympics and is now representing us on the world stage. This is going to be a tough fight, no doubt about it, and even if Khan doesn't make it I think we should - whether we think we'd like his personality or not - respect that he is now fighting hard to represent young British boxing on the world stage. Where would the likes of Hatton and Calzaghe be if they'd faced such horrendous treatment from their countrymen at this stage in their career?

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posted Mar 11, 2009

Arguably neither fighter is at their peak: Khan is still developing and Barrera is past his best. But my continuing worry for Khan is his arrogant belief that he can ignore his opponent's punches. I believe M.A.B will take take Khan to school and stop him around the 6th round. sadface

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posted Mar 11, 2009

shakencity?????

What have you got against Khan. I think he will win in th 6th maybe 7th!!!!! COME ON KHAN!!!!!

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comment by robzaba (U2159929)

posted Mar 11, 2009

The Roach comment sounds like a repeat of Khan's earlier comments on KOing opponents. But many people - even Khan's own supporters - have always acknowledged Khan's punching ability, his speed and power, but that is still missing the point... how is his defence, and how is his punch-resistance. He took very few clean punches from Fagan, so we simply don't know how much he has improved these areas... Barrera will give us the answer.

I see it like this: Khan will have successes at the beginning, moving better around the ring and taking more time than in his early fights, but then Barrera - who studies opponents during fights even more than before them - will find his way in (not just throwing overhand lefts to the head as Fagan tried to do) and I believe he will KO Khan by midway through. Khan may take a few rounds early, on volume of shots, but Barrera's nous and experience will do it.

But I wish both of them a good fight, best man to win. If Khan wins he deserves the credit.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

to singhyuk - there are plenty of folk that wanted to calzaghe lose his unbeaten record by he fought and won gainst whoever was put infront of him - he got knocked down in his career got up and went on to win his fights _Khan cant even take a punch - Think he has the attributes, speed skill and strength to be a world champ but he has no chin and cant take a punch !! Whatever the result tis Sat nothing will be proven til Khan stops taking fights with part timers and boxers past their best !!

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posted Mar 11, 2009

No matter what i have,and always will support the Brits in any sport.
Also i am a Londoner and i am fully aware Khan is from up north,but i will never forget the gesture he gave in support for London after the tube and bus bombings back in 2005.
I will stick my neck out and predict a victory for Khan in the latter rounds.
Size does matter and Khan is a huge LW,and i don't think he can remain at that weight for much longer
saying that how many of us fight fans backed Manny over ODLH due to size?
I will back Khan but will not be in a rush to head for the bookies

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comment by MRoom (U12575364)

posted Mar 11, 2009

"Amir is a big 135-pounder. It's 22-year-old kid against 35-year-old veteran. We're going to knock Barrera out."
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Doesnt make that much difference when you've got a glass jaw - unless Khan manages to bomb Barrera out early, i expect him to become frustrated and struggle as soon as he gets clipped with a decent shot. Think his only other chance is if the fight lasts more than 8 rounds and Marco runs out of gas

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posted Mar 11, 2009

is now representing us on the world stage.

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Perhaps the problem is, that many British fight fans are unhappy being represented by a fledgling pro, still largely untested (and certainly against genuine LW even at domestic level) who has had a very protected path towards where he is now.

Maybe we'd don't want to be seen as a nation whose fighters are taking on hand picked opponents, whilst earning massive amounts of money and being beaten by the first half decent puncher they face and then being gifted a high profile fight which is desgned to leapfrog up the rankings over fighters infinitely more qualified for World honours than them.

But maybe I'm just a hater who simply SOUNDS like he's speaking the truth!

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posted Mar 11, 2009

I think Khan will get leathered. Despite Barrera's age, it's a total mismatch.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

It's a World title eliminator so should be good.
Khan is big but vulnerable around the chin.
Barrera has only been beaten by quality fighters.
I hope Barrera puts on a show to show the world that 35 is not old.
Thus spake the 37 year old winkeye
Khan hopefully has learned that you cannot be cocky, particularly around seasoned verterans.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

Marco is a legen
Amir is way to young
By the way

To be fair
Khan can not cope cope, with too many
On the chin time and time again

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comment by robzaba (U2159929)

posted Mar 11, 2009

Perhaps the problem is, that many British fight fans are unhappy being represented by a fledgling pro, still largely untested (and certainly against genuine LW even at domestic level) who has had a very protected path towards where he is now.

Maybe we'd don't want to be seen as a nation whose fighters are taking on hand picked opponents, whilst earning massive amounts of money and being beaten by the first half decent puncher they face and then being gifted a high profile fight which is desgned to leapfrog up the rankings over fighters infinitely more qualified for World honours than them.

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Hi Dave,

That's well put. And many people share those sentiments, me included. In fairness, there aren't so many fighters to whom that is true, most, or many, do it the hard way, the natural way, undercards, building confidence and supporters not by TV or PPV, but by treating it all as a longer learning curve, with rewards only after all the work has actually been done...

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comment by Neil (U9701706)

posted Mar 11, 2009


I aint Khan's biggest fan, but it is clearly obvious the lad has some talent and is a challenge for anyone in the division

With all due respect khan would be no challenge to the likes of diaz and marquez

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posted Mar 11, 2009

Anybody who shows there chin too much can be caught. If he's tightened up his defence then he has a chance. If he leaves his chin sticking out he'll get knocked out.

Unlike some people on here I wish Khan well and hope he wins. Goes on to win a tile and defends it for years. Yes he's cocky but so as quite a lot of yanks and I don't see people in America having a go at them.

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posted Mar 11, 2009

comment by Toe2Toe (U6288427)
posted 1 Hour Ago

Anything but a win for Barrera is a fix, I'm sorry to say. Boxing doesn't need fixed fights.

Khan is overhyped by his promoters and really not in Barerra's league and will never emulate his achievements.

I swift KO of Khan will do nicely.

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The degree of dislike for Khan among british boxing fans is perplexing to me.
He is an exceptional talent, who shone in the olympics aged 17 and although having had to turn pro in the spotlight (as is the way these days) has handled it brilliantly as opposed to the much older Audley Harrison (to cite a particularly bad example).

People have questioned Khans opponents but all pro fighters starting out are put in with relatively safe opponents to begin with -just not on prime time tv.
Khan also made much shorter work of these fighters than he was expected to, subsequently making it harder to find suitable opponents.
More recently Khan has been guitly of nothing more than being naive and gung-ho, as a result he was KOd by Prescott and this is something he would seem to have reacted to in the correct manner, and the Barrera fight will tell us if this is the case or not.
People say Khan is arrogant - well I find him far less so than Carl Froch, for example - who is rarely described as such.
My personal belief is that the dislike for Khan is not for him as a fighter or person but has more sinister origins.
I hope I am wrong on this point.

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comment by Neil (U9701706)

posted Mar 11, 2009

My personal belief is that the dislike for Khan is not for him as a fighter or person but has more sinister origins

It's easy to plac the race card, but people loved boxers like benn and bruno regardless of colour.

In fact they were proably the two most well supported uk fighters other than hatton in the last 20 years.

Khan takes a lot less flak than the likes of Calzaghe does, so the race card doesn;t apply imo it;s more down the degree of hype surrounding him and his boastful attitude

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posted Mar 11, 2009

Unfortunately I have to agree with BIGrighthand. His speed and power are amazing. His chin is extremely poor, it's going to have to be water tight from now until the end of his career if he doesn't want to suffer the same fate he did against Prescott.
Having said that, can a boxer increase his punch resistance? Miguel Cotto has been able to take much harder punches after moving up in weight. Similarly Khan has changed his weight distribution over his body to try and be able to take punches.
It can be argued that Cotto, is extremely tough and can take a punch, unlike Khan who has been floored by guys who are not known for their punching power. It's going to be interesting to find out how Khan's chin survives against Barerra.
By no means am I comparing Khan to Cotto, just considering if the change in punch resistance is related to change in weight & weight distribution.

Hope Khan pulls it off & peace!

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comment by Neil (U9701706)

posted Mar 11, 2009

Having said that, can a boxer increase his punch resistance

IMO not by that much and if guys like limond and gomez have had him over when he meets a big strong lightweight who hits hard (eg prescott) he is going to get ko'd.

unless he can transform himself into a defensive wizard a la pernell whittaker or pbf he is never going to win a legitimate world title in this division

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posted Mar 11, 2009

as a result he was KOd by Prescott and this is something he would seem to have reacted to in the correct manner and the Barrera fight will tell us if this is the case or not.
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Beating a part time teacher and then saying the problem has been dealt with is not really a correct reaction.
Going to the wild-card gym was a step in the right direction, and was an admission that he had big flaws in his defence, and fair play to him for addressing it.
But i can understand peoples anger he will now be involved in a world title eliminator one easy victory after a defeat.

However Khan has a chance on Saturday to show the public the talent that we all know he has, and to show he really has sorted out his flaws.

If come Sunday morning it is obvious Barrera was shot and just after a cash in Frank Warren should come in for the criticism not Khan.

Whether Khan deserves the fight or not however, i'm not complaining as it is going to make for interesting debate and even more interesting viewing (hopefully(

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