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ARE MAN UTD AC MILAN OF THE GLORY YEARS?

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posted Mar 7, 2009

This United team/squad is capable of joining the true great football teams of milan, liverpool, madrid, ajax and munich of past years.

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posted Mar 7, 2009

I think Fergie has found and nurtured a great group of players as he has done so on so many occassions. Still undecided on your comparisons though, do you not think it LOOKS like they are a Machine because maybe the 3 out of the so called top 4 have been dropping so many points?? I agree with with your comments on defence as they are like a brick wall. I think you will have your answer at the end of May, however I don't think Man U have been tsted against the greatest of teams this year as Chelsea/Arsenal haven't been as good as previous, I won't be surprised though if Man U walk away with all 5. Imagine if you had won the supercup, what would they have called the quintuple then?

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posted Mar 7, 2009

Only injuries to key players such as Vidic, Evra, Ronaldo & Rooney can stop them now.

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posted Mar 7, 2009

Excellent comparison actually. I never really thought about it. I believe this is the best united team of all time and could be on a par with that great Milan team. Still a bit left in the season though.

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comment by Exile (U11272050)

posted Mar 7, 2009

The current team/squad still have a lot to do before comparisons like that should be made. They certainly have the potential but plenty of teams have had potential in the past and not fulfilled it (the 1999 team after the Treble springs to mind)

A win against Inter on Wednesday would do nicely but I've had a bad feeling about that tie since the draw was made. I hope I'm wrong.

Lets just enjoy the good times. It doesn't get much better than what we've had in the last few seasons. We'll find out soon enough if the current team/squad is as good as we hope.

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posted Mar 7, 2009

i hope so.

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posted Mar 7, 2009

this is the strongest squad weve ever had but not the most entertaining,99 squad was breath taking to watch.its going to take a good team to beat us cos we look solid as a unit.maybe barcelona or chelsea in champions league on a good day could beat us.i hope not but winning everything is a hard task.

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posted Mar 7, 2009

ferguson's Man Utd have undoubtably been one of the best sides ever. if they retain the chanmpions league and win the premiership they will match up to that AC side

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comment by Sure64 (U4481289)

posted Mar 7, 2009

Sacchi's Milan never did outstandingly well domestically. Capello won 4 titles in 5 years while getting to 3 straight CL finals (although they lost 2 and it was easier in those days), but as far as I remember Sacchi only won one Serie A.
It's hard to compare different eras like that. Remember back then Sacchi had a REAL squad rotation problem with only a max of 3 foreigners allowed...

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posted Mar 7, 2009

Sure64 (U4481289)

Good post and respect your view, but for me I'd say that team has been the best club side for the past 25 years.

I'd challenge anyone to name a side as better as what that AC Milan side acheived in 4 years.

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posted Mar 7, 2009

Feat. Not feet.

Otherwise good article.

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posted Mar 7, 2009

After hearing alot about that Milan team and seeing their record i hope our team will prove its worth and be named alongside that ac milan team.

I think it is possible as this team is quite young with players like roon, ron, ander, evans etc all under the age of 25

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comment by Roy (U12747248)

posted Mar 7, 2009

This United team is very strong, mentally and tactically, as well as being very united. Everyone at the club is pulling in the same direction, in unison. The players have great respect for each other.

However, I still maintain that the 11 from 199-2003, especially the offensive element, were superior to this team and created more chances,scored more goals and comletely destroyed every team they played, home and away, league and in Europe.

This team is more efficient but not as fluid.

If United were to win the league and CL again, next season, they must try and match Arsenel's unbeaten run in 03/04 to put to bed any slight on their record and crucially, to claim another record.

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posted Mar 7, 2009

Man U are possibly the strongest overall team in Europe at the moment but they have a great chance of being elimitated by Inter Milan. If they go behind in that game, they are in deep sh&&. I think they can win the three domestic trophies but they haven't got much chance of winning the Champions league. Still they won that last year.

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posted Mar 7, 2009

Very good article!
I hope the dream will come true.

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posted Mar 7, 2009

Capello's Milan were much stronger than Sacchi's. Capello's Milan of 1991-92 were unbeaten serie A champs and hammered everyone including their nearest rivals. In their final game of the season they won 8-2 away to Foggia - who were not a bad team then. Van Basten scored 25 league goals and was Euro player of the year. Capello won Milan serie A in 93 and 94 as well as the Champion league in 94 - beat Barcelona 4-0 in the final in the best final performance in the history of the competition. They also reached 3 successive finals 93-95.

Sacchi's Milan won back to back Champs cup but this was at a time when there was only about 3 decent teams in the competition. They won the title in 1988 but that was all under Sacchi. So, really they didn't win enough to warrant the title of 'best ever team'. At best you could say the Milan side of the Sacchi-Capello era was the greatest.

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posted Mar 8, 2009

United will win all but the Champions league, dunno why i just have a feeling about that one.

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comment by Lordy L (U2217699)

posted Mar 8, 2009

I'm not a Man Utd fan as such, but as a team they are a joy to watch.....

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posted Mar 8, 2009

if they win the remaining treble, yes.

CL though is one of 5-6 teams that can win it so it depends on form, some good decsiions as opposed to bad ref decisions.....and JT taking a penalty again

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posted Mar 8, 2009

United has been playing to their strengths and rotating very well, getting the best out of their players in different games. I dont think they will it all, Inter will beat them this week but the domestic triple is at their grasp.

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comment by Toe2Toe (U6288427)

posted Mar 8, 2009

Not a Man U fan, but you got to admire their performances. All the best to the lads....except when they play Liverpool!

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posted Mar 8, 2009

The current United team is not as good as that Ac Milan side. However United's squad is the best squad ever assembled in club football. The strength in depth they have is just awesome. If everyone is fit:

1st XI

Van der Sar
Neville Vidic Ferd Evra
Ronaldo Carrick Hargreaves Park
Rooney Berba

2nd XI

Foster
Rafael Evans Brown Fabio
Nani Fletcher Scholes Giggs
Tevez Wellbeck

I mean that second side would probably reach top four in the premiership right now!

Not to mention the likes of
Gibson
Eckersley
Kuscak
Tosic etc.

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posted Mar 8, 2009

Well this Man United team may not have long left at the top. With the key players all over 25. And the next bunch look far from world class.

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comment by Sami (U13766215)

posted Mar 8, 2009

comment by Francisco Jiménez Tejada - deserves a chance (U13715041)
posted 4 Minutes Ago
Well this Man United team may not have long left at the top. With the key players all over 25. And the next bunch look far from world class.

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Yep, Rooney, ronaldo, nani, evans, gibson, wellbeck, tosic, Tevez look far from world class dont they? <doh>

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posted Mar 8, 2009

They are certainly a joy to watch , b ut with all cup competetions there's always an element of luck involved thats why they may get beat by Milan.

However, if the first leg is anything to go by i can't see them losing.

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comment by cmwhaha (U1057324)

posted Mar 8, 2009

We will hammer Inter on Wednesday. I think we will beat them 4-0.

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posted Mar 8, 2009

Rooney isn't world class mate. Hes overhyped as hes english.

Ronaldo is off soon and the sooner the better for you. He thinks he is too big for the biggest club in the world. He expects the ball.

Nani? World Class? Joking i presume.

Evans - too early to tell if he will be world class but he will be pretty damn good.

Gibson - good but not great, the next Fletcher?

Wellbeck - this lads got potential.

Tosic - 21 already. Don't look like hes got it.

Tevez - 30 million aint getting paid for him. Good player though.

By the way i have heard Llajic could be world class but i would rather see him play myself before i judge.

So glad you did't write Anderson as he is one of the poorest footballers in the premiership.

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posted Mar 8, 2009

Well this Man United team may not have long left at the top. With the key players all over 25. And the next bunch look far from world class.
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Worst post of the day possibly ever!!!

At what age do you think players peak? The majority of players in this squad have yet to reach the peak of their powers. i would say VDS, Giggs, Neville, Scholes, are past his peak. I think Rio, Carrick, Evra, Vidic, Park, Berbatov are playing at there peak and scarily Tevez, Ronaldo, Rooney are just coming into their peak years.

Then you have the likes of the Da Silvas, Evans, Anderson, Nani, Foster and Welbeck who are all 4/5 years away from peaking.

So i just don't understand where you get the notion from that it will not last!

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posted Mar 8, 2009

This article made me sick to the stomach. The amount of hype in it is the exact reason of what is partly wrong today.

COmparing Ferdinand and Vidic with Maldini and Costacurata... what a joke! Maldini has played at the top level for god knows how many years, playing brilliantly for club and country and is a model professional. Ferdinand is a talented pop star, driven by money and although talented, still nowhere near the level maldini has reached. I mean, you only have to look at his performances for England to see that.

If anybody here is possibly of comparing ronaldo with van basten then please don't waste your breath...

Man Utd could be one of the most successful teams of modern era, but they are still far from it... winning all titles this season and achieving more success next season would cement that.

So before you start writing all these premature hypings, please take off your Man Utd Ltd glasss and learn!

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posted Mar 8, 2009

Yeah and a peak only lasts so long!

I posted it a but briefly i know. I mean that them players who have peaked are only going to last for 2-3 more years before they decline. And your post is a contender for worst. Players don't have a set peaking age. Rooney has probably peaked as has Ronaldo. Tevez will get better but you won't cough up the money for him.

See above my evaluations of the younger players.

Some more:

Rafael - Good but got to get stronger and needs to sort his positioning out.

Fabio - Bit better than Rafael.

Foster - Good keeper, should be your number 1.

Anderson - Cant shoot, can't really pass, weak, creative but Fergie plays him defensively. Then you see that he doesn't put in any effort. He walks about in the after he gets out of the middle 20 yards of the pitch. Some people are overpaid but he walks for 85 mins and gets paid for it. That is just too easy.

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posted Mar 8, 2009

I also just noticed the Owen Hargreaves cmparison with Anceloti.... that is comedy! Hargreaves is, at best, a solid midfielder. Does he even plau for Ingerland?

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posted Mar 8, 2009

As long as SAF keeps spending, he will have the strongest team; that's logical. 10 of the current best players were bought eg Rooney £30m, Ferdinand £30m, Ronaldo £??m, Berbatov £30m, Hargreaves £??m, Carrick £16m, Tevez £?? What do you expect? Plus all the others he has bought? And of course, if these do not perform, he will simply sell them and buy others. That is what it is about. It is a business. Tevez and Berbatov were the "enemy" yesterday, today they are "adored" by ManU fans. For 30 pieces of silver!!!!!!!

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posted Mar 8, 2009

Of course Man Utd can stumble in Europe. They are the best team in England and Europe but they are not unbeatable.

A score draw with Inter is entirely possible and they could be beaten in the next rounds. They will probably never be more than a 70/30 favourite against European oposition and will need luck to be with them to win the competition.

Personally I think they will easily win the League, In the FA cup only Arsenal or Chelsea can thwart them. The CL will definatly be the toughest, they should be the favourites but probably only have a 60% chance of actually winning it.

The depressing reality for football is it is all to predictable domestically and I can only see football declining in the long term as the same teams always win everything.

Only 2 non big 4 FA Cup winners since 92, 7 in the league cup, In the EPL only 4 Clubs have ever won. This is not healthy and eventually when the money starts to dry up something will have to be done.

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posted Mar 8, 2009

the champions league has a element of luck in it which is why it will be more difficult to retain but if they do retain it thenit will be no doubt deserved

that is why liverpool do so well in this competition because they can get themselves pshyched up for one game as they are no lnoger in the rest of the competitions, where as chelsea man utd, arsenal are involved in every competition

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posted Mar 8, 2009

I think it is impossible to compare to Man Utd to Milan due to the money in the game now. If United had spent the same as Milan, then yes you could compare them, but i feel that United have not been as good as last year.
Defensively this season, you have been excellent, midfield hasn't been too bad but up front, Ronaldo hasn't been anywhere as good as last season. Berbatov has been disappointing, especially for his price tag. Rooney, well i am not a fan of his as i am never sure what position he is actually playing in. Tevez i feel sorry for, whenever he has played he has been excellent, but is then dropped.

Man Utd will stumble somewhere along the line, either Europe or the FA Cup could be their downfall.

Mattyboy69a's comment about the decline in football i fully agree with.

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posted Mar 8, 2009

Saintigs has got it right. Even the dimmest of people should surely be able to see that the top teams generally stay at the top. If players underperform they will simply be replaced with the money that the top clubs always seem to have.

A dynasty never lasts forever and Manu U will eventually fall (and may rise again) but if you think that their dominance will come to an end with the twilight of Giggs et als careers then you're even thicker than the average Geordie.

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posted Mar 8, 2009

Because Newcastle, Blackburn, Leeds, to an extent Liverpool and Arsenal, possibly premiership teams that have dropped multiple divisions like Forest and Leicster(prems top league so technically is top) which means Wimbledon as well.

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posted Mar 8, 2009

None of them I have mentioned have stayed at their previous level.

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posted Mar 8, 2009

comment by Francisco Jiménez Tejada - deserves a chance (U13715041)
posted 14 Minutes Ago

Yeah and a peak only lasts so long!

I posted it a but briefly i know. I mean that them players who have peaked are only going to last for 2-3 more years before they decline. And your post is a contender for worst. Players don't have a set peaking age. Rooney has probably peaked as has Ronaldo. Tevez will get better but you won't cough up the money for him.
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Without sounding too rude i question your knowledge of players and the game itself. You only have to look at players like Zola, Bergkamp, Zidane, Maldini, Desailly, Sheringham, Giggs (to name a few) to see tht some of your best football can be played once you have turned 30.

This is the main reason why i reject reports that Ronaldinho is finshed at the top level. Yes he is not playing to the same levels that he was 3/4 years ago but he still has plenty of time to reinvent himself as a player.

You seem to think that once a player reaches his peak that they curtail within a couple seasons.Sorry but some players achieve a consistency the lasts for the rest of their careers.

Finally at no point do i say that players peak at a cetain age. It is clear to most people that players like Messi, Ronaldo, Kaka even Rooney are reaching the top of their game but still have room for development which may come in the next 4 seasons.

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posted Mar 8, 2009

The secret of Manu's success is keeping the same manager for so many years, Hiddink is 62 and Mourinho 43 so maybe Roman should re-sign Jose for 10 years before Manu do. Then I think Manu would worry.

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posted Mar 8, 2009

I understand what you are syaing and I must say to say that Desailly, Giggs and Maldini played their best over 30 is ludicrous. I know players can change their game after 30 like Giggs has done as well. But I don't feel most of Man Uniteds peaked players will go on that well past 30. I do think that Carrick will and Berbatov will. The main sufferers will be Ferdinand, Vidic and especially Evra which will break up that formidable defence.

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posted Mar 8, 2009

Worst postings i've ever seen from 'Francisco Jimenez Tejada'... are you just a Man City/Chelsea fan or merely someone with a hand-countable IQ?
Seriously... you are slating half of the United team, who have dominated English football this year (Premiership in particular - which no-one disputes is the highest quality league in the world at this moment in time).
As for your assessments of some of the Man U players:

Rooney absolutely is world class - his work rate is only paralleled by Tevez in the premiership. He has supreme strength and great vision. Arguably he doesnt score as many as he should, but im sure that will improve with experiance.

It doesnt look like Ronaldo is off at the moment, he seems perfectly committed. I have no idea what will happen in the summer, but i'll be happy to keep him on board - as arguably the best player in the world (Although I would prefer Messi). If he does go i'm sure we'll get plenty of cash for him anyway.

Nani does look a very good player, no not world class just yet, but he's young and showing signs of being a very good player indeed - deadly from the edge of the box.

Evans has looked as good if not better than Vidic and Ferdinand when he's played for United - not to say he IS better, but he's showing the signs of being every bit a world class centre back.

Gibson looks alright... yes you may be correct about him - Fletcher standard

Welbeck looks very promising, still doesnt have a great impact at senior level, but he's only 18 - plenty to come.

Tosic we've hardly seen anything from yet, so I dont see how you can say he doesnt 'have it', although I would guess if he was going to be a big Utd star, he might be showing more signs of breaking into the first team.

Tevez I think/hope we will buy now, he's proven to everyone just what a great player he is, I dont think we can afford to let anyone else snap him up.

Finally Anderson - how on Earth you can say he's one of the poorest players in the premiership is unbelievable. He has come on as sub for United in their last few games and had a massive impact, with great flair and pace. He's clearly going to be a big star - if not for United then for then for another big club - i hope we hold onto the lad.

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posted Mar 8, 2009

It doesnt look like Ronaldo is off at the moment, he seems perfectly committed. I have no idea what will happen in the summer, but i'll be happy to keep him on board - as arguably the best player in the world (Although I would prefer Messi). If he does go i'm sure we'll get plenty of cash for him anyway.
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Ronaldo is far from perfectly committed i would say. Is it any coincidence that he seems to be more 'edgy' this season than previously. He is playing like a player who has been unsettled, very similar in fact to Henry and his last season at Arsenal.

Other than that completely agree with your post nice work.

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posted Mar 8, 2009

Worst postings i've ever seen from 'Francisco Jimenez Tejada'... are you just a Man City/Chelsea fan or merely someone with a hand-countable IQ?
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I could guarantee my IQ is a lot higher than yours.

Seriously... you are slating half of the United team, who have dominated English football this year (Premiership in particular - which no-one disputes is the highest quality league in the world at this moment in time).
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When have I slated them? They are currently the best team in England in the SECOND best league behind La Liga. I have questioned how long they will dominate for by saying that their team has peaked.


As for your assessments of some of the Man U players:

Rooney absolutely is world class - his work rate is only paralleled by Tevez in the premiership. He has supreme strength and great vision. Arguably he doesnt score as many as he should, but im sure that will improve with experiance.
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He puts in great effort and is capable of being world class. But his hot temper and tendency to miss chances mean he is not YET World Class. Great vision but when players get in his head he struggles. By the way experience is spelt with an e not an a.

It doesnt look like Ronaldo is off at the moment, he seems perfectly committed. I have no idea what will happen in the summer, but i'll be happy to keep him on board - as arguably the best player in the world (Although I would prefer Messi). If he does go i'm sure we'll get plenty of cash for him anyway.
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You will get plenty of cash yes. And you should take it. He is not a team player which in my opinion is the best thing about your team. You are a team with great link up and understanding. Ronaldo waits for the ball, does trickery without advancing and looks to shoot.

Nani does look a very good player, no not world class just yet, but he's young and showing signs of being a very good player indeed - deadly from the edge of the box.
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Nani won't be world class. Although I think he is a good player. Doesn't do it enough though.

Evans has looked as good if not better than Vidic and Ferdinand when he's played for United - not to say he IS better, but he's showing the signs of being every bit a world class centre back.
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Wouldn't say world class but looks talented. Needs more football to prove himself.

Gibson looks alright... yes you may be correct about him - Fletcher standard

Welbeck looks very promising, still doesnt have a great impact at senior level, but he's only 18 - plenty to come.
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I said earlier, I rate him highly.

Tosic we've hardly seen anything from yet, so I dont see how you can say he doesnt 'have it', although I would guess if he was going to be a big Utd star, he might be showing more signs of breaking into the first team.
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Its hard to explain but truly world class players have something about them which makes you say wow, even when they don't play well. They are capable of amazing things. This lad didn't look like he has 'it'.

Tevez I think/hope we will buy now, he's proven to everyone just what a great player he is, I dont think we can afford to let anyone else snap him up.

Finally Anderson - how on Earth you can say he's one of the poorest players in the premiership is unbelievable. He has come on as sub for United in their last few games and had a massive impact, with great flair and pace. He's clearly going to be a big star - if not for United then for then for another big club - i hope we hold onto the lad.

I stand by my views on Anderson. He is quick but barely moves. Walks until he gets to the middle third. Then jogs then walks again. He can't shoot, tackle, isn't strong and can barely pass.


Most Man United fans i know are coming to terms with Anderson being pretty poor. I exaggerated saying one of the worst but he is lower-mid table standard if that.

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posted Mar 8, 2009

Let’s get back to the topic in hand, player for player they are certain comparisons to that great AC Milan team and current crop of Man United players.
If United win the Champions League this season I will say WELL DONE.
They will be regarded as an immortal team in their own right, and truly be considered one of the all time greats.

Oh and going by all the topics of the forwards I mentioned, I said Van Basten was, is, always will be the greatest striker EVER

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posted Mar 8, 2009

what do you know about world football?
AC Milan - good multiple European Cup winners
Man Utd - fluke against Bayern followed by penalties against an average Chelsea team/squad, call it what you like.
Facts can't lie!
PS the Real Madrid of the late 50s were certainly better than AC MIlan

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posted Mar 8, 2009

comment by saintigs (U6513709)

posted 52 Minutes Ago

As long as SAF keeps spending, he will have the strongest team; that's logical. 10 of the current best players were bought eg Rooney £30m, Ferdinand £30m, Ronaldo £??m, Berbatov £30m, Hargreaves £??m, Carrick £16m, Tevez £?? What do you expect? Plus all the others he has bought? And of course, if these do not perform, he will simply sell them and buy others. That is what it is about. It is a business. Tevez and Berbatov were the "enemy" yesterday, today they are "adored" by ManU fans. For 30 pieces of silver!!!!!!!

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never a truer word said. Take away alex's money, then see what happens

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posted Mar 8, 2009

yes,man utd fans are able to show all fantacies

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posted Mar 8, 2009

It´s a nice comparison and a well written article.

However I think what seperates Man Utd and the other current top teams in the world, from teams of yesteryear is the difference in football nowadays. Football today is much more quicker and you have little time on the ball.

Teams full of pace and skill can be devestating, especially with a solid backline.

For me Man Utd are a complete team, and to see their consistency for winning go from game to game in each competition is a joy to behold. The goals along the way have been incredible too! (Tevez for example yesterday).

I can´t see inter milan overcoming United. The only team who could push them is Barcelona, but their backline is very open and this would work in Uniteds favour.

We will see. Matches can be won and lost very easily. Like Sir Alex says, the ball could come off someones backside :D

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comment by 50in50 (U10290896)

posted Mar 8, 2009

As long as SAF keeps spending, he will have the strongest team; that's logical. 10 of the current best players were bought eg Rooney £30m, Ferdinand £30m, Ronaldo £??m, Berbatov £30m, Hargreaves £??m, Carrick £16m, Tevez £?? What do you expect? Plus all the others he has bought? And of course, if these do not perform, he will simply sell them and buy others. That is what it is about. It is a business. Tevez and Berbatov were the "enemy" yesterday, today they are "adored" by ManU fans. For 30 pieces of silver!!!!!!!

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never a truer word said. Take away alex's money, then see what happens
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The 1995-96 season, anyone?

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