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posted Jan 2, 2009

Is this the same Man Utd who said and I quote "we won't be spending in January".

Also it is interesting that Man Utd want to develop foreign talen rather than UK talent. It is a critism that Man Utd fans make of Arsenal quite alot.

Finally, failure to win both the Chumps league and premiership should see Fefguson sacked. Afterall he will have spend 50m on three players which is the operating budget of the mjaority of the SPL.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

Don't lose that Lemon of yours will you Tony?

Two Serbian's, must be good if Madrid, Inter and other clubs were after them. But they will have the prove themselves before we can make a judgement on them. But that's it now from Utd in the transfer market now, Fergie likes to do his transfers early.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

Yea these two boys were lined up since the summer! Just couldnt get things tied up before the end of the window

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posted Jan 2, 2009

Good to see SAF still bolstering the side, these two will be the future replacememts for Giggs and Scholes I guess. Would be good if they can learn from these two greats.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

tonytorra - Foster, Brown, Neville, Ferdinand, Evans, Giggs, Scholes, Carrick, Hargreaves, Rooney, Fletcher etc.

Quite a lot of UK talent there. Oh and we won the "Chumps" league and premiership last season, which is why we can afford to splash out on young talent.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

Sounds like you've been sniffing one to many marker pens tonytorra!

Glad this has been finally sorted out, it looked like it was going wrong last week, with wage demands etc. but now I can't wait to see what Tosic can do, reports about this boy have been very promising and hes been coveted by big teams in europe for a while, so it seems this would be quite a coup for us!

16.3 for the 2 doesn't sound too bad either! considering englands best wingers have gone for significantly more!

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posted Jan 2, 2009

So much for we won't be buying in January. Maybe SAF was just trying to confuse the media? Anyway in response to this foreign players jibe, in addition to the players mentioned above: Welbeck-whacked one in on his debut, Gibson-not great but in the squad at least, Amos-did bloody well on his debut, Cathcart-was in our first team squad at 16. I could also mention Brandy and Campbell but they're on loan and doing well enough to be in the back pages. Oh and you missed O'Shea btw.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

tonytorra what a chump. United have developed loads of british talent over the last 10 years. Neville brothers, butt, scholes, giggs, beckham, o'shea, brown, fletcher, possibly even keane could be put in that category...
and with players all coming throught the academy like gibson, evans, welbeck...

there have also been many other players that have done well at other teams such as ebanks-blake currently at wolves, and greening, west brom's captain.

yes, we do have young foreign stars too, but then doesn't everyone? get your facts right before you come on here you bitter boy.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

tonytorra - Foster, Brown, Neville, Ferdinand, Evans, Giggs, Scholes, Carrick, Hargreaves, Rooney, Fletcher etc.

Not forgetting Evans, Bardsley, Wellbeck, Campbell, Wallwork, Chadwick who all will or have gone on to have successful careers.

Incidentally, the fee HAS STILL NOT BEEN DISCLOSED. This means 16.3 million is an estimate, at best.

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comment by Redtom (U5432142)

posted Jan 2, 2009

Tosic & Ljajic are two rising stars from Serbia and look very good from snippets off you tube.

Two player United have been tracking for months now and have finally been given the green light to sign.
Like a lot of Premiership Top clubs to get good players they have to go abroad because of the stupid 40 mile / 1.1/2 hr travelling restrictions the FA put down by Howard Wilkinson about eight years or more ago.
I would like United to buy 'English' / British players to help home nations develop our 'own' players for National means too.

But if it means buying players like Tosic & Ljajic then so be it but, it will be detrimental to our National game.

And as for buying/not buying in January Fergie means panic buying, players for 'NOW'..? these lads are for the future.
Only one that needs sorting one way or other is Tevez.

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comment by ENT (U1753292)

posted Jan 2, 2009

How in hell is Keane British talent we developed, one we signed him from Forest for a transfer record and two he is Irish.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

yeh, suppose you're right, but would he have been the player he became at any other club? doubt it.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

out on young talent

First of all Happy New Year.

Man Utd were the at one point the leading lights of developing British talent and this is one of points.

I agree with the UK talent however much of it playing in the Man Utd first team has been bought in from other team and across the world and Europe.

I take my hat of to AF and the other coaches as the list of British talent that has been developed has been pheonomenal. However, in the last decade how many great player from the UK have come through the Man Utd youth ranks.

At the moment I can only think of Darren Fletcher. I am sure many of you will give me a list of others but in the main Man Utd have developed foreign youth and bought the best Britain has to offer.

For example, Ferdinand, Rooney, Carrick and Hargreaves etc. Scholes, Neville and Giggs have been there for nearly 15 to 20 years.

As for paying the price I do not agree. 16.3m is obscene but the market bears what the market bears.

Again Happy New Year.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

you can make ameobi look good on youtube

although there is a hilarious shola ameobi compilation that everyone has to check out, just put in shola ameobi...you'll see why hes rated so badly haha

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posted Jan 2, 2009

Tony

I will give you credit and say that you are not an idiot and were just trying to provoke debate.

16.3 million seems a great deal for these two, or would you rather see the club spend stupid money like our friends accross town will alledgedly do on mediocre talents like Craig Bellamy?

As for no youth development - patent rubbish.

Johnny Evans, Danny Simpson, Darren Gibson, Danny Wellbeck - all good home nation talent nurtured at United to name a few.

Post again and nail your colours to the mast!

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posted Jan 2, 2009

United have invested in great young foriegn talent because the current rules make it difficult for clubs to find great English talent. Thanks to the 60 minutes from your ground rule, we have to get players from Serbia, Brazil and other nations.

United do have some great uk talent in Frazier Cambell, Wellbeck and the brilliant Jonny Evans.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

2 excellent players, in particular Tosic, heres hoping Wenger buys in the transfer window, cos boy do we need some players.

PS:Happy New Year.

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comment by Redtom (U5432142)

posted Jan 2, 2009

Welbeck, Simpson, Gibson, Evans, O'Shea, Brown, Campbell... There's 'SEVEN'..!!
Name another club that can brag more British born youth..?
5/7 are English!

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posted Jan 2, 2009

Apparently Utd weren't doing business in Jan now they've spent over 16m on 2 unproven players.<doh>

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posted Jan 2, 2009

It's good that Tosic can play on either flank, because the left side of Midfield could become a little congested.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

Andy

You might need to invest in a new centre nidfielder for up to five years in the near future! <hug>

P.S. How's the stadium coming?

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comment by edmund (U6544721)

posted Jan 2, 2009

Wellbeck is a Ghanaian player

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comment by Redtom (U5432142)

posted Jan 2, 2009

Liverpool-Andy... Read back on my post[s]..

United weren't buying players for 'NOW' panic January buys, not worth it.. These are for the future, there IS a difference! ;-)

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posted Jan 2, 2009

Fergie said that they wouldnt be spending in January other than the deals which were already more or less completed, as these deals were announced to be in the pipline in November.

As for the 50m, absolute rubbish. The fee's for these 2 players could end up as being 16.3m but that is after many appearances, international caps and club trophies etc. The up front fee's are considerably smaller.

United are now English, European and World champions, as if they are going to sack the manager that won them those. Numpty WUM!

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posted Jan 2, 2009

"I am sure many of you will give me a list of others"

Tony mate, just in the England youth set up United 6 have 6 players that they've developed and nurtured, this is not including Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland.

I'd also guesstimate that there is at least 20 players plying their trade in the British football leagues thanks to United's youth system - more names soon!

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posted Jan 2, 2009

liverpool_andy who was ronaldo when we signed him?? and vidic??

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posted Jan 2, 2009

It's good that Tosic can play on either flank, because the left side of Midfield could become a little congested.

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We desperately need a left sided player. Ronaldo, Nani and Park are all naturally right footed but good enough to play on the left. Tosic, to my knowledge is naturally left footed, which will leave one of the above free to play to their strengths on the right.

Have you not noticed how static United have looked on the left without Evra? O'Shea is a good player but when we play without Evra's attacking brain, our team looks one sided.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

liverpool_ andy. (U11236556)

That's not that much money. They may be unproven, but we seldom make a mistake with our signings.

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comment by BobZee (U1869096)

posted Jan 2, 2009

comment by Red-Tom (U5432142)
posted 6 Minutes Ago

Welbeck, Simpson, Gibson, Evans, O'Shea, Brown, Campbell... There's 'SEVEN'..!!
Name another club that can brag more British born youth..?
5/7 are English!

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Villa!

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posted Jan 2, 2009

don't forget your american owners still have to renew their loans on your club. so this is looking like leeds all over again

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comment by Chiggy (U13713586)

posted Jan 2, 2009

glad that its been sorted out,tosic could play in the carling or fa cup so we could see him play.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

No more cameos from Giggs now, just steady performances when he is 110% fit and not just thrown on to cover.Tosic is rated highly worldwide for a reason and this will be proven come this date next year when he has adjusted to the EPL. Ljajic, or "little Kaka'" as he is known, has shown many a sign of a great young talent. I cannot wait to see these two in a few years time.


and yes Lpool_andy, hows that amazing stadium coming along?oh wait I forgot, you's are in an unmanaged debt that has 20 odd days to be covered or the Yanks have had it. Best of luck now :)

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comment by JDring (U4791979)

posted Jan 2, 2009

Some great signings for us, I've heard much about Tosic but will Ljajic bring anything to our team in future years?

I think we have to admit we havent had much British talent in recent years but we've done more than alot of our rivals, Arsenal and Chelsea especially.

There just isnt much talent in Britain at the moment.

By the way guys, Keiran Richardson to add to your lists.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

Cool, 2 good players. I saw the older one of them play against Bulgaria .... Well the result said it all (6-1)

However i think we'll have to think about a central midfielder, cause Nani is a perfect for the left, Ronaldo for the right, while Park can play both sides.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

from what i understand Tosic is very good player but it is Ljajic that we really wanted.

Tosic has been rated as the serbian Ryan Giggs and is very highly rated in the serbian national team that Vida plays in. Vidic is has said that if he could bring any play to united it would be him.

Ljajic i have heard plays like Gerrard. Box to box who at a push can play either wing as well as holding/ attacking midd. sounds like a mix between scholes, park and keane. cant be bad.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

liverpool_andy who was ronaldo when we signed him?? and vidic??

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He should know all bout Vidic because liverpool were trying to sign him as well!

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comment by ENT (U1753292)

posted Jan 2, 2009

The British talent is there but clubs are prevented from accessing it and moulding it. It is like preventing top students attending top universities because they live too far away from them.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

Welbeck plays for the england under 19 team and will be playing for the under 21 team as well. The rummoers around him and garna but he come though united youth team and was born in Macclesfield in Cheshire. To be honest if he thinks he can make it into the England team then he will stay with England as the amount of extra money is much more if you get England caps as there more sponsorship deal etc.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

Good to see the SAF is sticking to his statement that Utd won't be signing anyone.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

Tosic delivers great crosses and is excellent from free kicks. More in the mould of Beckham than Giggs - no bad thing mind!

As for Ljajic, he is potentially the "real prize" dribbling, killer balls etc...currently plays on the right of midfield, but could be ideal behind a front man, or a Scholes type centre midfielder.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

also can i say that i think this spells the end of Nani.

SAF loves Park so he will not be removed from the first team any time soon.

Ronaldo well is the best player in the world. he wont lose his place.

Giggs. might retire next season but Nani was brought to replace him so why sign another player for the left wing.

Nani has been poor this season and a lot of people have started to want him out.

he never impressed me to much as he seemed to be world class or pub team rubbish last year and this year he has been either pub team or mental home team

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comment by JDring (U4791979)

posted Jan 2, 2009

If we really need British talent, we can start stealing from Boro.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

comment by MURedDevil (U12417577)
posted 3 Minutes Ago
Cool, 2 good players. I saw the older one of them play against Bulgaria .... Well the result said it all (6-1)

However i think we'll have to think about a central midfielder, cause Nani is a perfect for the left, Ronaldo for the right, while Park can play both sides.

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Hargreaves, carrick, fletcher, scholes, giggs?

Too old?

How about gibson, anderson or possebon?

I think central midfield is covered personally...

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posted Jan 2, 2009

comment by plasticoutcome (U11731354)
posted 11 Minutes Ago

liverpool_ andy. (U11236556)

That's not that much money. They may be unproven, but we seldom make a mistake with our signings.
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For starters the current fee has not been announced and it will be based on appearances and trophies. performances etc (we still haven't paid the full whack for Rooney yet.)

But as a Man Utd i can't agree with the above posters comments about we rarely get signings wrong!

Before other fans of other teams start giving the large, ets just get Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson, Veron, Taibi, Bosnich, to a few out the way!

Ignore this previous guys comments because as a true Man Utd i think out success rate in the transfer market is about 50% at best (which i think is more than acceptable.)

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posted Jan 2, 2009

Is it 16.3m or is this figure dependant on performance, wages, etc...?

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posted Jan 2, 2009

good point snapethered, not to menchion the talented youth coming through; danny welbeck, frazier cambell, tom heaton, sam hewson, febian brandy etc...

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posted Jan 2, 2009

Tony your ill-considered comments show the real chump here.

The deal for the Serbians is up to 16 million, various reports show the initial outlay to be less than half that amount. United will only that if the two are successful and make many appearances in the league and champs league - and then payments will be staggered. A similar deal we did for other young talent, Rooney and Ronaldo which hasnt turned out to bad.

Also comments have been made about the english talent in our team - also look at the ex utd english talent in other teams in the Prem and Championship, same cant be said for many other teams - and with Johnny Evans and Ben Foster to name but two about to break thru hardly poor really. At the end of the day its Arsenal who were the first and regularly still field 11 foreigners.

Your final comment is so ridiculous i aint even going to comment.

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posted Jan 2, 2009

comment by Sprozz7 (U13442666)
posted 7 Minutes Ago

It's good that Tosic can play on either flank, because the left side of Midfield could become a little congested.

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We desperately need a left sided player. Ronaldo, Nani and Park are all naturally right footed but good enough to play on the left. Tosic, to my knowledge is naturally left footed, which will leave one of the above free to play to their strengths on the right.

Have you not noticed how static United have looked on the left without Evra? O'Shea is a good player but when we play without Evra's attacking brain, our team looks one sided.
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Oh don't give me this rubbish, Evra was suffering too because of the bad attacking brains of the six men in front of him too. It's not a fullback's fault that many of the attacking players blast the ball over from 30 yds out.

Against Spurs United were very one sided, because Rafael was pegged back in a defensive role and O'Shea was getting forward making crosses into Berbatov. That was simply the roll of the game.

Primarily fullbacks should have good defending brains otherwise the side would give away very sloppy goals ... and during Evra's ban that hasn't happened or look like it would happen.

United were scoring plenty of goals when Heinze was in the team, and plenty when O'Shea was there, and when Silvestre was there.

United's attacker's misfiring cannot be dumped on whoever is playing fullback. If they need so much service from the fullbacks to compensate for wasting pocession and wasting oppertunities from the midfield and other forwards then it is their faults.

United played cautiously these games and won them, you have seen Arsenal and Liverpool underestimate sides like Stoke and Tottenham and thye have paid for their arrogance.

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comment by Chiggy (U13713586)

posted Jan 2, 2009

any one think tosic will play in the FA cup or carling cup ties??

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posted Jan 2, 2009

Anyone is better than Nani. Will have to have a look at this young man and see if he is any good. The fact that utd have been watching for a year suggests that SAF thinks he really has got the Giggs replacement lined up. If I was Nani's agent I would be quaking in my designer shoes right now.

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